Amel Fango
amelfango <Robert.Kyle@...>
We have an Amel Fango for sale. For those who don't know the
Fango it is a 10m Sloop with many of the facilities of the larger Amels. It is configured as a 2 berth Ocean/ 6 person day sailer. It was commissioned in 1989 and is called "Ebbrezza". For any one interested I will forward more information. Rob Kyle, rob.molly@mac.com
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riviere Salee In Guadeloupe
Claude Roessiger <nearlynothing@...>
The advice to me from Amel Guadeloupe was to
definitely NOT attempt the Riviere Salee; there simply isn't enough water, full or empty tanks. There is a very nice harbor in the Northwest of Guadeloupe, Deshayes, which some boats heading to Antigua ignore or suppose to be not very good. I recommend it. It makes the sail north easy, and usually gives a straight shot to Falmouth Harbour in any case; if the wind is a little more East, Green Island is possible. Best. Claude Roessiger __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
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Riviere Salee In Guadeloupe
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
April 27, 2003
Hello to all. I have enjoyed reading all the messages over the last year or so. Many useful items of information. Our Super Maramu 2000 is currently in Marina Bas du Fort, Guadeloupe. We anticipate leaving for Antigua in a few weeks. I have received varying opinions about whether an amel with full water tanks and full fuel tanks and moderate load of people and junk can navigate through the Riviere Salee. Has anyone out there done it? How recently? Any words of advice? Shortly after reading about the failure of the fresh water pressure accumulator tank on another Amel, ours sprung a leak. It appeared to be a failure at the the base of the 3/4 inch pipe fitting where it is welded to the tank. There was corrosion and the tank metal in this area coulbe be easily penetrated with a pencil. The boat is 21 months old. This jetted fresh water onto the genset. After drying up the engine compartment I partially disassembled all the panels on the genset and was able to verify that no water damage was done. I'm not sure why this failed but I believe it was a faulty weld. This sounds like the exact same spot that the other member had a failure. Caution to all. You might consider probing this area gently at the neck of the fitting with a piece of sharpened wood to see if it is thin and about to rupture. On a more serious note, the same day, the desalinator low pressure feed pump suffered a catastrophic seal failure. This happened while we sailed between Grenada and Carriacou. As we sailed we made water and at one point the bilge alarm went off. I immedicately opened the engine hatch only to see water sloshing back and forth in the engine room. I jumped below and a quick lick of the water confirmed it to be sea water. I didn't see where it was coming from initially so I turned off the main thru hull and then isolated it to the above noted pump. The clean up of the engine room and Boeshielding everything took a day. Disassembly of the pump in Tyrell Bay showed severe corrosion on the shaft of the motor which caused the shaft seal to rupture. The pump is un-repairable because the shaft was so badly corroded. Total time on the desalinator is 95 hours. Laurent Colonna in Guadeloupe says he has never seen this type of failure before. To Amel's everlasting credit (and once again proving that they are a top notch company) they are replacing the pump under warranty. I am concerned though about this premature failure. I have always meticulously flushed the system with fresh water after every use. I did have the boat on the hard in Grenada for 5 months during the hurricaine season and wondered if crevice corrosion occured under the seal from the stagnant water. The other possibility is that the anchor wash-down pump (that has leaked since new despite Laurents best efforts to seal it)that sits next too the desalinator pump had allowed salt water onto the exposed portion of the motor shaft thus causing the corrosion. Has anyone else had this problem? When the boat will be inactive for a period of time would it be better to completely empty the water lines and pumps rather than just flusing them all with fresh water? I would be interested in other peoples experience. Still the Amel is a great boat and Chantiers Amel is a great company with great people. Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Hull # 335
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPM on Volvo TMD22A, again...!
Erick MEJEAN <maramu@...>
Hi Daniel
You should be able to reach 2900 RPM at full throttle. I understand from your previous message that your engine seems not to have any problem to reach high reps in neutral gear. It probably means that your prop. is not very clean. With regards to the top speed you should be able to reach it at around 2700 RPM with a clean hull, in good weather condition. Clean hull means right after an antifouling treatment and not one or two months later.Talking about speed, check the GPS speed and the B&G information. If no current they should be the same. Personally on long passages (several days) I run the engine at around 2200 which gives me a speed in the range of 7 - knots depending on the hull cleanness. Erick MEJEAN Best regards ----Original Message Follows---- From: "dgoffaux" <dgoffaux@bhkmining.com> Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPM on Volvo TMD22A, again...! Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:24:38 -0000 Hi Erick, Thanks for the answer, you are right about the torque. Only, it still seems strange to be so close to the maximum, as at maximum throttle, I reach 2600 to 2700 rpm, and that gives a notch above 7 knots (not exactly hull speed). Which means that I should cruise at 2000 to 2200, maximum, at maybe 6.5 knots. Does that sound right? My previous boat had a Yanmar, somewhat faster reving, so this one puzzles me. Best regards, Daniel Goffaux --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Erick MEJEAN" <maramu@h...> wrote: 4500 RPM, but it reach its peak torque of 162 Nm at 2400 RPM.regardless of the power you will never achieve a higher speed than the hull speed.sea as it is the time when the engine has the more strength.factors. Changing the propeller pitch would be a big mistake as it will makeyour prop no longer adapted to the engine,transmission and hull specs.calculate the size and pitch of a propeller given a boat specs.motoring in choppy water or against the wind but the overall efficiency of yourengine will be lower.at 2500 RPM your consumption will be in the range of 7 L/h and you willreach your max hull speed. Running the engine at 3500 RPM will multiply yourmeans basically a fuel autonomy divided by two........hours, which never occur to a car engine. As such to prevent the turbo cloggingevery three hours you should push your engine to 3000 RPM for around 20min to eliminate the carbon residues. Eventhough you run your engine at3500 RPM for hours without changing the RPM sooner or later you may face thisturbo clogging problem. _________________________________________________________________ Download Norah Jones, Eminem and more! http://www.msn.com.sg/ringtones/
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPM on Volvo TMD22A, again...!
dgoffaux <dgoffaux@...>
Hi Erick,
Thanks for the answer, you are right about the torque. Only, it still seems strange to be so close to the maximum, as at maximum throttle, I reach 2600 to 2700 rpm, and that gives a notch above 7 knots (not exactly hull speed). Which means that I should cruise at 2000 to 2200, maximum, at maybe 6.5 knots. Does that sound right? My previous boat had a Yanmar, somewhat faster reving, so this one puzzles me. Best regards, Daniel Goffaux --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Erick MEJEAN" <maramu@h...> wrote: 4500 RPM, but it reach its peak torque of 162 Nm at 2400 RPM.regardless of the power you will never achieve a higher speed than the hull speed.sea as it is the time when the engine has the more strength.factors. Changing the propeller pitch would be a big mistake as it will makeyour prop no longer adapted to the engine,transmission and hull specs.calculate the size and pitch of a propeller given a boat specs.motoring in choppy water or against the wind but the overall efficiency of yourengine will be lower.at 2500 RPM your consumption will be in the range of 7 L/h and you willreach your max hull speed. Running the engine at 3500 RPM will multiply yourmeans basically a fuel autonomy divided by two........hours, which never occur to a car engine. As such to prevent the turbo cloggingevery three hours you should push your engine to 3000 RPM for around 20min to eliminate the carbon residues. Eventhough you run your engine at3500 RPM for hours without changing the RPM sooner or later you may face thisturbo clogging problem.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPM on Volvo TMD22A, again...!
Erick MEJEAN <maramu@...>
Hi Daniel
You must consider two things when you look at an engine performance. Power output and torque. Each engine has its own power curve and torque curve. Both don't follow the same pattern and don't have the same meaning. With regards to the TMD 22 it reach its peak power of 57.4 KW at 4500 RPM, but it reach its peak torque of 162 Nm at 2400 RPM. At 4500 RPM the torque is down to 125 Nm. While motoring you are more interested by torque than power as regardless of the power you will never achieve a higher speed than the hull speed. Running an engine at its best torque does not make it labouring the sea as it is the time when the engine has the more strength. The calculation of the propeller pitch takes into account all these factors. Changing the propeller pitch would be a big mistake as it will make your prop no longer adapted to the engine,transmission and hull specs. Propeller companies are using extremely sophysticated software to calculate the size and pitch of a propeller given a boat specs. The power will only help you to maintain a higher speed while motoring in choppy water or against the wind but the overall efficiency of your engine will be lower. You also need to consider the consumption. While running your engine at 2500 RPM your consumption will be in the range of 7 L/h and you will reach your max hull speed. Running the engine at 3500 RPM will multiply your consumption by almost two and your speed will remain the same. Which means basically a fuel autonomy divided by two........ What the engine does not like is to be run at the same RPM for hours, which never occur to a car engine. As such to prevent the turbo clogging every three hours you should push your engine to 3000 RPM for around 20 min to eliminate the carbon residues. Eventhough you run your engine at 3500 RPM for hours without changing the RPM sooner or later you may face this turbo clogging problem. Hope this will answer your questions With best regards Erick MEJEAN ----Original Message Follows---- From: "dgoffaux" <dgoffaux@bhkmining.com> Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPM on Volvo TMD22A, again...! Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:50:03 -0000 So happy to have found this site! And to be able to find out how others have solved various problems (few, actually, in my case) with their Super Maramu! I purchased SM #135 last year in France (this is a 1995 model) had a good revision on all systems and crossed over to Ft Lauderdale last December. 17 days from Gran Canary to Guadeloupe, whithout pushing, the fishing was too good! One thing I noticed at purchase time was that the engine, in gear, will not go over 2700 rpm. The Volvo manual indicates a max. speed of over 4000 rpm for the turbo version. The engine runs nicely, without smoking and has about 2000 h. now. The Volvo dealer in Guadeloupe said that they knew about Amel habit to reduce RPM with the adjustment of the Max prop, a procedure whith which they totally disagree! They recommend, at next haulout, to adjust the Max prop as to obtain about 3,400 rpm with the engine in gear (in neutral there is no problem to rev up). In France, I also had the turbo dismantled and cleaned, as it was found full of soot. So, 1. What is the normal max rpm for the Volvo, as per Amel, and/or as per Volvo? 2. Presumably, if the pitch of the Max prop is to high, keeping the engine "labouring", it will induce sooting and will clog the turbo, especially if indeed it only starts to pump at 2500 rpm or there about. This may explain why - as I just read on various notes on this site- one needs to rev up to maximum revolution for a few minutes every so often. Why not, instead, have the engine running at its recommended speed? 3. Obviously, I can see why someone recommended to remove the turbo and clean it every year. This does not seem right however. Nobody does that on a car or industrial equipment for that matter. Has anyone any suggestion? Should I leave my engine /Max-Prop as they are, or should I make some adjustments? One last question on the transmission: what sort of oil should we use, it says on it ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) but what kind? There are now 4 different Dextron type fluid oils, does it matter which one? I would be gratefull if someone could shed some light on those issues. Good sailing to all. Daniel Goffaux On "Passion" _________________________________________________________________ Keep track of your Singapore stock prices. http://www.msn.com.sg/money/
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RPM on Volvo TMD22A, again...!
dgoffaux <dgoffaux@...>
So happy to have found this site! And to be able to find out how
others have solved various problems (few, actually, in my case) with their Super Maramu! I purchased SM #135 last year in France (this is a 1995 model) had a good revision on all systems and crossed over to Ft Lauderdale last December. 17 days from Gran Canary to Guadeloupe, whithout pushing, the fishing was too good! One thing I noticed at purchase time was that the engine, in gear, will not go over 2700 rpm. The Volvo manual indicates a max. speed of over 4000 rpm for the turbo version. The engine runs nicely, without smoking and has about 2000 h. now. The Volvo dealer in Guadeloupe said that they knew about Amel habit to reduce RPM with the adjustment of the Max prop, a procedure whith which they totally disagree! They recommend, at next haulout, to adjust the Max prop as to obtain about 3,400 rpm with the engine in gear (in neutral there is no problem to rev up). In France, I also had the turbo dismantled and cleaned, as it was found full of soot. So, 1. What is the normal max rpm for the Volvo, as per Amel, and/or as per Volvo? 2. Presumably, if the pitch of the Max prop is to high, keeping the engine "labouring", it will induce sooting and will clog the turbo, especially if indeed it only starts to pump at 2500 rpm or there about. This may explain why - as I just read on various notes on this site- one needs to rev up to maximum revolution for a few minutes every so often. Why not, instead, have the engine running at its recommended speed? 3. Obviously, I can see why someone recommended to remove the turbo and clean it every year. This does not seem right however. Nobody does that on a car or industrial equipment for that matter. Has anyone any suggestion? Should I leave my engine /Max-Prop as they are, or should I make some adjustments? One last question on the transmission: what sort of oil should we use, it says on it ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) but what kind? There are now 4 different Dextron type fluid oils, does it matter which one? I would be gratefull if someone could shed some light on those issues. Good sailing to all. Daniel Goffaux On "Passion"
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Re: Halogen bulbes life span
dgoffaux <dgoffaux@...>
Hi,
I have SM #135 and recently changed the original 50 amp charger for a Mastervolt 100 amp, with smart regulation. And I began to burn all my halogen bulbs because the charger goes to 28.5 V. The solution was to switch to 28V bulbs, as recommended by Mastervolt. I have had no problem since, but cannot tell yet how long they will last. Good Luck. Daniel Goffaux on "Passion" --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Stephan Regulinski" <stephreg@y...> wrote: When installing the halogen bulbs, you MUST clean the bulb firstwith alcohol and then not touch it with your fingers. This is true evenper week.becausethe problem is with the "Smart Charger" (an option we bought) it pushes the voltage up to 28V frequently (when you are on shorelots of sense, but it's still frustrating to switch out light bulbs all
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Re: Performance polars
dgoffaux <dgoffaux@...>
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I have not seen an answer to this request, but I have exactly the same need, for the same program; I had contacted Amel, who said they did not have the polars (?!), so I am wondering if someone took the time to build one? Thanks, Daniel Goffaux, on Passion (SM135)
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, asm283 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
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Super Mistral Sport information
erikwindmeijer
I have just bought a Super Mistral Sport, number 177. Where can I
find additional information about this ship ? Thanks, Erik Windmeijer The Netherlands
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: storm sails for the SM and Drogue
Joel F. Potter <jfpottercys@...>
Dear Amel Owners,
While it is true that I am Amel's only associate for North and South American sales, I offer the following strictly as an Amel owner. (hull # 400 of the SUPER MARAMU). This does not, necessarily, reflect the views of my associates in La Rochelle. For years I have recommended the ATN GALE SAIL to my Amel clients. I have some personal experience with this storm sail and it works as represented by ATN. As with any piece of gear, I highly recommend you play with it before you absolutely positively have to use it. If you contact ATN here in Fort Lauderdale at: Phone: (800) 874-3671, (954) 523-3034 or Email sail@atninc.com and tell him that "Joel sent me", he will give you my discounted price from retail on this essential piece of equipment. You can view his web site at www.atninc.com All the best Joel F. Potter cc: ATN
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrial bilge pump SMM 2000
Stephan Regulinski
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Anne and John Hollamby
<hollamby@c...> wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.comcentre of the<May I suggest that drilling or better punching a hole in the upper outlet flap and using a small countersunk machine screw andnut to secure a washer or two on top of the flap to weight it down. Iwould have thought that a hacksaw blade would be too strong and be subject tosevere rusting.Good thinking. Scratch the hacksaw blade, add the washers. So far, however, my piece of plastic (cut from a wire tie) continues to hold up nicely and the pump has now worked flawlessly for several weeks. Apparently, it only needs a little extra "umph" to get it to close properly.
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Re: storm sails for the SM and Drogue
Stephan Regulinski
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote: what type of storm sails have been used on the sm and kind ofdrogue or sae anchor?Eric, I have a ATN Gale Sail for my SMM (#303). It wraps around the genoa and is hoisted by the spare halyard. I have used it several times, most recently in a storm (winds gusting north of 50, where the speed indicator tops out) in route from Portugal to the Canaries. We flew this sail for about a day and a half, till the storm played out. I am very happy with the performance and recommend the sail to those who plan to do more than coastal cruising. Since you must go forward to the forstay to raise this sail, you must think about using it as you do reefing: raise the sail when it first occurs to you that you might need it. Also, since the genoa sheets must be removed from the car and turning block, tie these sheets securelly down well aft of the bow so they don't get tossed into something important. The Gail Sale has its own sheets. (I tied mine at the bow once and the hanked sheet took out the starboard running light.) I won a Drogue, but have never used it. Stephan
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Re: 1994 Super Maramu
robglenbrennan <no_reply@...>
Arnold, goodmorning
We'd be very interested to hear more about your SuperMaramu. Please contact us via - brennan@webone.com.au Many thanks Rob and Glen Brennan --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, pagandaisy <no_reply@y...> wrote: I am thinking of selling my 1994 Super Maramu as now living inCaribbean. She is currently at the dock in Tortola, ready to go.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] 1994 Super Maramu
Derek jarvis <sailorman522000@...>
Dear ArnoldWe have been in contact before about your boat.I would be very interested in selling the boat for you as we have a number of clients looking for Supermaramu's.What price are you looking at for the boat?I am a broker with Bollman Yachts in Ft Lauderdale and have a Maramu in my listings at present.Email me at derek@bollmanyachts.comCheers Derek
pagandaisy <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:I am thinking of selling my 1994 Super Maramu as now living in California it is just too much of a hassle to get to the Caribbean. She is currently at the dock in Tortola, ready to go. Arnold Grubin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
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Pre wire for SSB
asm283 <no_reply@...>
Hello
I am about to undertake the installation of an Icom 802 on my Super Maramu. It seems a straightforward installation. I have several questions. 1- The SM comes prewired for an SSB. There are 3 wires behind the removable pannel by the nav station marked BLU 24v. It looks to me as this is a 24v positive, negative and also a ground. The wires are of sufficient gage that they can take the voltage. Is this part of the prewire and is this where the SSB tranmsmitter should be grounded. 2- The antena tuner that is installed in the lazarette. Is there a ground plate installed in the SM. Is there a grounding point in the lazarette or should I run the antena ground back to the same point as the tuner. 3- Is there anything that I should do to help the performance of the SSB. Thank You in advance. Vito ASM#283
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Performance polars
asm283 <no_reply@...>
Hi
Does anyone have performance polars for the Super maramu. I have purchased the Max Sea program and its routing function needs polars in order to work. Does Amel have this information. You can E-mail the file to me or better upload it on this site. Vciaravino@galaxyprint.com Thank you Vito Ciaravino ASM#283
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1994 Super Maramu
pagandaisy <no_reply@...>
I am thinking of selling my 1994 Super Maramu as now living in
California it is just too much of a hassle to get to the Caribbean. She is currently at the dock in Tortola, ready to go. Arnold Grubin
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 210
Roger Osborne <rogermike@...>
Szabo we did the same on our Euros Beryl Grey and it was simply hard
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work by hand finished with sand paper and then resprayed and the lining renewed. It was a good idea about sharing info on the Euros models. Roger Osborne (U.K.)
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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: 08 April 2003 00:59 To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Digest Number 210 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. headliner problem From: Szabó Géza <szabog@mail.elender.hu> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 08:27:35 +0200 From: Szabó Géza <szabog@mail.elender.hu> Subject: headliner problem Hi All! The foam backed headliner/ wallcovering that Amel used in 1979 on my Euros 41 is falling down/off as it seems the foam has dissolved. I know that this is a common problem. How can you remove the foam from the ceiling or the sidewall? I tries Aceton, it's working, but very slowly and messy. Any better idea? Cheers Geza Szabo http://www.rotorman.hu/0hajo/a_hajo.htm ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] headliner problem
Shann, Mark V <shannmv@...>
Hi Geza,
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I have recently purchased an 1984 Maramu, which had all the head linings replaced last year, for exactly that reason. I believe they did use acetone, but beware the fumes. Apparently it took a long time, and was a really tough job (especially as all the fittings had to come out and then go back). But now it does look great. all the best < Amer (Synnefoula 84 Maramu).
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From: Szabó Géza [mailto:szabog@mail.elender.hu] Sent: 07 April 2003 08:28 To: Amelyachtowners Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] headliner problem Hi All! The foam backed headliner/ wallcovering that Amel used in 1979 on my Euros 41 is falling down/off as it seems the foam has dissolved. I know that this is a common problem. How can you remove the foam from the ceiling or the sidewall? I tries Aceton, it's working, but very slowly and messy. Any better idea? Cheers Geza Szabo http://www.rotorman.hu/0hajo/a_hajo.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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