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Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Karen Smith
 

Alex,

Our electrical monitoring equipment now is a Cerbo GX system from Victron.  Pretty sophisticated, and the amount of data that it keeps track of can keep a data nerd like me entertained endlessly.  

We of course know the usual stuff, battery voltage, power draw, State of Charge.  But also our the AC power usage from either shore power or inverter.  Battery charge and discharge current.  Solar production. Battery temperature. All the status data from our Victron MultiPlus and solar controller are available.  It controls the MultiPlus functions. It is connected to our NMEA 2000 network so it knows where our boat is, and the data it collects is available on our MFD.  When an online connection is available, all data collected is uploaded to Victron’s servers, so is available online even if we are off the boat. You can even control it from “the cloud.” You can request it to send you an email if there is an alarm. It can start the generator automatically based on state of charge, voltage, or current draw, and then shut it down when no longer needed.  All the data and status information is presented in a clear unified context.

We have been really happy with the Victron “eco-system” of products.  They have all performed flawlessly, and it seems every software update bring some cool new feature. I am pretty sure if they had offered a generator, we’d have installed that.  It does play well with our WhisperPower unit, however.  

One of the key parameters for us is to watch the difference between the “high” and “low” halves of the battery bank.  If they drift apart from being identical (half the nominal 24V total) that is an alert to a problem.

One of the keys to keeping a Firefly bank happy is to follow their current user manual very closely.  You have to occasionally do a deep discharge (all the way down to 21 Volts) then charge to full at 0.2 to 0.5C.  For our 464 A-hr bank, that is between 93 to 232 Amps. My understanding is that this is the Firefly equivalent to the equalization charge used for an FLA battery. We have done one of these full cycles since we installed the new system, and we got a little bit more than name plate capacity out of the batteries.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: BVI - a glimpse of the other side of the story

Matt Salatino
 

I agree with almost all of what you wrote, except if people are setting foot on sovereign land, then they ARE putting the country at risk. If they sail through the waters with no intention of landing, there should be no fault.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Dec 2, 2020, at 9:35 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Judy and I had our sailboat (previous to our Amel) based in the BVI for 5 years. This was before my full retirement and worked great for us. In that time I got to know the BVI and many of the fine people there, including some government officials. A few of these people are still close friends.

During that time I became aware that one of the world's most porous borders is between the BVI and the USVI. Many boats registered in the USVI would cross into the BVI daily carrying foreign charter customers for a day into the BVI with popular stops at Foxy's and the Bight. A significant number of those boats would not check in with customs and immigration. They flagrantly broke the law. The BVI has really never had sufficient Border Control Vessels so these violators got away with it.

The COVID pandemic has reached the BVI via foreign travelers to the BVI, causing death. The BVI does not have the resources to deal with this and they get almost zero outside help. The citizens of the BVI are outraged at the government's lack of control and almost all of these citizens are aware of the violators on boats from the USVI.

I assume that the BVI government is "sending a message." It is unfortunate that the frequent violators were not caught, but with limited border controls, the BVI caught the first violators they found. When governments anywhere prosecute a violator it is not uncommon that the underlying motivation is to send a message to all of the other violators.

For this reason, I will not send a letter, but respect the reasons that anyone else sends a letter. 

It is possible that the government will look at negative letters as a validation of their efforts.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: Water ingress close to the rudder tube

 

Martin,

You probably are aware that new rudder packing will need to be tightened in a few weeks.

I have seen this leaking before. As it turned out the reason for the cracks I saw were because of a grounding issue. Maybe you hit the bottom or some semisubmerged object. If I were you, I would contact Olivier Beaute and/or your insurance company. For your info, here is Olivier's contact information:
Olivier BEAUTE / ATLANTIC YACHT SURVEY
32 avenue des Corsaires
17000 LA ROCHELLE
Tel: +33 546 522 147   
olivierbeaute@...
http://atlanticyachtsurvey.com
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 5:35 AM Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...> wrote:

Dear Amelians

after renewing the packings of the stuffing box three weeks ago we recognized water ingress in the aft compartment of our 54. By drilling two inspection holes in the upper plywood cover we checked the compartment by endoscope camera. There are some black lines which seem to be cracks. We could locate three spots where water is creeping in. Two spots are more or less one inch in front and on portside of the rudder stock, the third spot is a dark area at the vertical plywood just in front of the rudder stock. This is close to the position where a copper element is entering the GRP in front of the rudder stock.

We had no grounding and as far as we know the former owner had no grounding too. Have anyone heard of a similar problem?

Martin
SV Mago del Sur - 54#40

currently Cherbourg


 


Re: BVI - a glimpse of the other side of the story

Robert Giroux <rg@...>
 

https://systems.jhu.edu/research/public-health/ncov/

British Virgin Islands, United Kingdom

Cases: 72 (positive tests)
Deaths: 1

 

 

 

Regards,

Robert Giroux

(202)262-5828

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:35 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] BVI - a glimpse of the other side of the story

 

Judy and I had our sailboat (previous to our Amel) based in the BVI for 5 years. This was before my full retirement and worked great for us. In that time I got to know the BVI and many of the fine people there, including some government officials. A few of these people are still close friends.

 

During that time I became aware that one of the world's most porous borders is between the BVI and the USVI. Many boats registered in the USVI would cross into the BVI daily carrying foreign charter customers for a day into the BVI with popular stops at Foxy's and the Bight. A significant number of those boats would not check in with customs and immigration. They flagrantly broke the law. The BVI has really never had sufficient Border Control Vessels so these violators got away with it.

 

The COVID pandemic has reached the BVI via foreign travelers to the BVI, causing death. The BVI does not have the resources to deal with this and they get almost zero outside help. The citizens of the BVI are outraged at the government's lack of control and almost all of these citizens are aware of the violators on boats from the USVI.

 

I assume that the BVI government is "sending a message." It is unfortunate that the frequent violators were not caught, but with limited border controls, the BVI caught the first violators they found. When governments anywhere prosecute a violator it is not uncommon that the underlying motivation is to send a message to all of the other violators.

 

For this reason, I will not send a letter, but respect the reasons that anyone else sends a letter. 

 

It is possible that the government will look at negative letters as a validation of their efforts.

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Bill,

thanks for the information. Currently I still have the OEM Xantrex device that came with my 2005 AMEL54 to monitor the battery bank. Did you install a new one that goes down to each battery separately? What's your recommendation in that regard?

Best, Alex


BVI - a glimpse of the other side of the story

 

Judy and I had our sailboat (previous to our Amel) based in the BVI for 5 years. This was before my full retirement and worked great for us. In that time I got to know the BVI and many of the fine people there, including some government officials. A few of these people are still close friends.

During that time I became aware that one of the world's most porous borders is between the BVI and the USVI. Many boats registered in the USVI would cross into the BVI daily carrying foreign charter customers for a day into the BVI with popular stops at Foxy's and the Bight. A significant number of those boats would not check in with customs and immigration. They flagrantly broke the law. The BVI has really never had sufficient Border Control Vessels so these violators got away with it.

The COVID pandemic has reached the BVI via foreign travelers to the BVI, causing death. The BVI does not have the resources to deal with this and they get almost zero outside help. The citizens of the BVI are outraged at the government's lack of control and almost all of these citizens are aware of the violators on boats from the USVI.

I assume that the BVI government is "sending a message." It is unfortunate that the frequent violators were not caught, but with limited border controls, the BVI caught the first violators they found. When governments anywhere prosecute a violator it is not uncommon that the underlying motivation is to send a message to all of the other violators.

For this reason, I will not send a letter, but respect the reasons that anyone else sends a letter. 

It is possible that the government will look at negative letters as a validation of their efforts.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Matt Salatino
 

Yes.
I installed Firefly Batteries in 2017. Still doing fine. The boat was sold, but I’m in touch with the new owner.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino, S/Y Speed of Life, A50 #27

On Dec 2, 2020, at 2:17 AM, Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:

I hear and read about so many cruisers with defective Firefly batteries. Its also clear that the manufacturer has usually replaced them under warranty after sending the customer through some testing hoops.

I have also heard the stories about previous production problems that are now 'fixed'. What evidence is there of this fix? Is there anyone on this forum that can report an incident-free experience with Firefly batteries for say two years or more? If not then I'd have to suggest that the jury is still out on reliability of Firefly batteries. 

it's good that the company has been honouring the warranty, but personally I'd prefer not to interrupt my cruising season trying to manage the logistics of getting specialist batteries replaced. 

I'm still considering my battery replacement technology.

Cheers, Dean
SV Stella A54-154

 


Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Mark Barter
 

Hi Dan,

We are in a boatyard in Gibraltar to have our M80T replaced by the Beta 85T.

To cut a long story short, the Perkins is out and just as the fitter was about to have the Beta craned in he discovered that the Beta was too big. As I type he is trying to work out how the new engine and the engine bed can be modified to fit.

The Beta is stock from the manufacturer except that it came fitted with a large 175a Leece Neville alternator. Also, it has the wrong type of gearbox. It needs a dropbox apparently.

Do you have the photos you took when you replaced your Perkins? 

Any help would be very gratefully received.

Many thanks
Mark
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


Water ingress close to the rudder tube

Martin Birkhoff
 

Dear Amelians

after renewing the packings of the stuffing box three weeks ago we recognized water ingress in the aft compartment of our 54. By drilling two inspection holes in the upper plywood cover we checked the compartment by endoscope camera. There are some black lines which seem to be cracks. We could locate three spots where water is creeping in. Two spots are more or less one inch in front and on portside of the rudder stock, the third spot is a dark area at the vertical plywood just in front of the rudder stock. This is close to the position where a copper element is entering the GRP in front of the rudder stock.

We had no grounding and as far as we know the former owner had no grounding too. Have anyone heard of a similar problem?

Martin
SV Mago del Sur - 54#40

currently Cherbourg


 


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Dean Gillies
 

Thank you Michael, that's good to hear.
Regards, Dean
SV Stella A54-154


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

Jarek Zemlo
 

Hi

please send address. I fully support this action and think it is a good idea to inform www.noonsite.com
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

michael winand
 

I have a set of 8 on a sm2000. 
No issues so far  just on 2 years.  Around 300 cycles, average discharge is 135 amps. Deepest 325amps.
I have battery balance via victron. Sometimes I will see the balancer kicking on,   its only doing it's thing for a few minutes. 
Charging  via a victron quattro 120amp charger. Solar 1kw. Engine 150amp Alternator. 
Have left them disconnected for 3months. And connected with no charge for 2 months.  
They were all in a excellent state of charge when put back into service. 
Just to remind everyone lithium have a few things that are not ideal. Cold service is one. 
Michael Nebo sm251 


On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 at 5:17 pm, Dean Gillies
<stella@...> wrote:

I hear and read about so many cruisers with defective Firefly batteries. Its also clear that the manufacturer has usually replaced them under warranty after sending the customer through some testing hoops.

I have also heard the stories about previous production problems that are now 'fixed'. What evidence is there of this fix? Is there anyone on this forum that can report an incident-free experience with Firefly batteries for say two years or more? If not then I'd have to suggest that the jury is still out on reliability of Firefly batteries. 

it's good that the company has been honouring the warranty, but personally I'd prefer not to interrupt my cruising season trying to manage the logistics of getting specialist batteries replaced. 

I'm still considering my battery replacement technology.

Cheers, Dean
SV Stella A54-154

 


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Dean Gillies
 

I hear and read about so many cruisers with defective Firefly batteries. Its also clear that the manufacturer has usually replaced them under warranty after sending the customer through some testing hoops.

I have also heard the stories about previous production problems that are now 'fixed'. What evidence is there of this fix? Is there anyone on this forum that can report an incident-free experience with Firefly batteries for say two years or more? If not then I'd have to suggest that the jury is still out on reliability of Firefly batteries. 

it's good that the company has been honouring the warranty, but personally I'd prefer not to interrupt my cruising season trying to manage the logistics of getting specialist batteries replaced. 

I'm still considering my battery replacement technology.

Cheers, Dean
SV Stella A54-154

 


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

James Watkins
 

I would like the address also. 

 

Thanks

Jim Watkins

Act II Maramu 185

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of karkauai via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:22 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

 

I have just learned of at least two cruising boats who were sttraying through BVI waters (with no intention of landing) who were stopped by BVI coast guard boats, escorted to a BVI port, and held in quarantine while charges were filed and $20,000 fines levied.  These boats were apparently detained until payment made. All in response to Covid laws prohibiting foreign vessels from entering.

I have written to the BVI to express my disgust at their draconian treatment of these people, the life's blood of the BVI.  I will not sail ir visit there again until and unless they apologize to those individuals and cruisers in general, the fines are rescinded, and their policy softened to allow for a simple warning for the first offense.

If you feel the same, I recommend that you let them know as well.

--
Kent & Iris

KRISTY

SM243


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

Justin Maguire
 

Ditto on sharing - I’d like to send as well. 


On Dec 1, 2020, at 13:32, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



Hi Kent,

Would you please send me a copy of your letter and to whom it was addressed.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2020 4:22 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

 

I have just learned of at least two cruising boats who were sttraying through BVI waters (with no intention of landing) who were stopped by BVI coast guard boats, escorted to a BVI port, and held in quarantine while charges were filed and $20,000 fines levied.  These boats were apparently detained until payment made. All in response to Covid laws prohibiting foreign vessels from entering.

I have written to the BVI to express my disgust at their draconian treatment of these people, the life's blood of the BVI.  I will not sail ir visit there again until and unless they apologize to those individuals and cruisers in general, the fines are rescinded, and their policy softened to allow for a simple warning for the first offense.

If you feel the same, I recommend that you let them know as well.

--
Kent & Iris

KRISTY

SM243


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

Miles
 

HI Kent,

 

I would also like to send a letter.  This is outrageous.  Please send the details to me also.

 

Regards,

 

Miles

 

S/y Ladybug  Sm 216


Re: BVI Fines for sailing I n BVI waters

Arno Luijten
 

They should report it to Noonsite.com, let the world know what scam they are running over there.

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna
A54-121


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Matt Salatino
 

Firefly had a production issue a couple of years ago, when moving production from the US to India. They lost the recipe in India. It took a while, testing every battery extensively before shipping, for a while. Certainly, during that time, they shipped some defective batteries. I believe they worked out the issues a year or more ago. When did you get your batteries?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt Salatino, s/v Speed of Life, A50#27

On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Karen Smith via groups.io <karenharmonie@...> wrote:

Alex,

Yes, I am still a fan of Firefly batteries, but a caveat or two is worth mentioning.  Like any relationship, there has been a bump or two in the road.

Twice we have had a battery develop an internal short.  The first time we discovered it quickly, and it was immediately replaced by Firefly.  The second time, our monitoring system wasn't good enough to catch the issue, and we developed a chronic imbalance where half the bank was overcharged, and the rest undercharged.  By the time the issue was apparent, permanent damage was done to all the batteries.  Firefly stepped up an replaced the whole bank within the terms of the warrantee--keeping us happy.

We learned. It is quite likely that if we had seen the issue early on a minor change in charging procedure might have alleviated the issue, but we'll never know for sure. We have since significantly upgraded our electrical system monitoring system, and a minor imbalance is not going to sneak up on us again.

As for running A/C from the batteries, sure it's possible.  One of our A/C units draws about 850 watts when running. That's about 4 times our normal house load.  That is easily supplied by our 8 battery bank and 3kW inverter. In the absence of any solar power, we'd need to run the generator twice a day for 3 hours instead of once a day for 90 minutes.    It is important to remember that it doesn't matter what kind of batteries you have or the size of the bank.  Batteries do not make power they just store it.  A bigger bank means you can reduce the number of times you start the generator, but your total run time will be about the same.

All that said, in 5 years of full time cruising we have run the A/C units while away from shore power exactly once, so it was not a priority in our design decisions.  If your plan is to run A/C units regularly off the grid, a larger system than we have might be needed.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: ONAN replacement or not?

Karen Smith
 

Alex,

Yes, I am still a fan of Firefly batteries, but a caveat or two is worth mentioning.  Like any relationship, there has been a bump or two in the road.

Twice we have had a battery develop an internal short.  The first time we discovered it quickly, and it was immediately replaced by Firefly.  The second time, our monitoring system wasn't good enough to catch the issue, and we developed a chronic imbalance where half the bank was overcharged, and the rest undercharged.  By the time the issue was apparent, permanent damage was done to all the batteries.  Firefly stepped up an replaced the whole bank within the terms of the warrantee--keeping us happy.

We learned. It is quite likely that if we had seen the issue early on a minor change in charging procedure might have alleviated the issue, but we'll never know for sure. We have since significantly upgraded our electrical system monitoring system, and a minor imbalance is not going to sneak up on us again.

As for running A/C from the batteries, sure it's possible.  One of our A/C units draws about 850 watts when running. That's about 4 times our normal house load.  That is easily supplied by our 8 battery bank and 3kW inverter. In the absence of any solar power, we'd need to run the generator twice a day for 3 hours instead of once a day for 90 minutes.    It is important to remember that it doesn't matter what kind of batteries you have or the size of the bank.  Batteries do not make power they just store it.  A bigger bank means you can reduce the number of times you start the generator, but your total run time will be about the same.

All that said, in 5 years of full time cruising we have run the A/C units while away from shore power exactly once, so it was not a priority in our design decisions.  If your plan is to run A/C units regularly off the grid, a larger system than we have might be needed.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA


Re: Onan Generator exhaust temperature switch - great price.

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Vladimir,

Did I sent the switch to you?

I have them here.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 5:46 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Onan Generator exhaust temperature switch - great price.

 

Hi Vladimir,

Please send me a check for $34.00 for 1 switch.

The switches are on the way to me and I will send 1 to you

as soon as they arrive.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

Eric Freedman

345 New York Ave

Huntington, NY 11743

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of VLADIMIR SONSEV
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 9:11 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Onan Generator exhaust temperature switch - great price.

 

Hi Eric,

 

I want to buy one. Please provide instructors for payment.

 

Vladimir

202 258 1916

 

SM 345 " LIFE IS GOOD"

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 8:37 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I have broken a few of these switches over the years. I have done this by reaching over the generator to retrieve something stored behind the genset.

I received a quote from my Onan dealer and on Amazon for around $90- plus tax which is ridiculous.

I tracked down the OEM manufacturer and the cost is about $23- plus a one time set up fee of about $50- I plan on ordering 2 of these. They stated that they make this for ONAN. If anyone is interested please let me know and I can order them for you $33- each plus USPS of about $8.00.

I will order the switches within a week.

Fair Winds,

Eric

SM 376 Kimberlite 

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