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Re: Lock downs on floor boards

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Bill et al,

These latches were installed by Amel at the yard during the build.  (Sometimes... Amel did some customisation to get a sale)

The first owner was a Luxemburger (Jean-Pierre Friedrich) and when he ordered, he was either on his second or third Amel; apparently, the yard hid the boat to prevent Mr Henri from seeing what the marketing people had agreed to do beyond normal in order to secure the sale.  The original owner was also looking at an HR unless he got some changes accepted.

For instance, the single in the salon is in fact a double on this boat.  Additionally, all watertight doors are reinforced substantially and have large internal locks to prevent cabin access in event of an unfriendly boarding.

Add this one to your unusual anecdotes at Amel.

For other options, reach out to the new owner of 444... he has latched floor boards.  Done in Europe to a very high standard.

BTW, Aquarius is lovely

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, NZ


On 20 Feb 2020, at 09:23, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


JP, Ken, et al
Hé single 
None of the other hundred or more SMs that I have been aboard had PERKO latches. Perco is a Florida companyring . If anyone is interested in the latches shown in the photos that were added to this SM, here is the contact information:
Perko Inc.
16490 Northwest 13th Avenue
Miami, Florida 33169-5707
305.621.7525 [Phone]
https://www.perko.com/  
sales@... 

I am not sure where in Europe Amel sourced the latches that Amel optionally installed on SMs. Regarding the installation of floor latches/locks, I have always believed that having the floor hatches locked in case of a roll inverting the boat would be the least of my worries. That said, BeBe SM 387 had Amel installed latches and they were not Perko.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:20 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hi Gang,

Our friends Ken and Zeville on SM2K Aquarius sent us this. Their floor boards were built like this at the factory

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera 




Begin forwarded message:

From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
Date: 20 February 2020 at 5:20:16 AM NZDT
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re:  [AmelYachtOwners] Lock downs on floor boards
Reply-To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Here are photos of the Lock Downs on Aquarius.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K #262


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Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

Stephen Nicholson
 

Hello Ross,
Many thanks for your reply about fitting a 105 Mantus anchor!
I would be very grateful if you would advise me if you, or other Amel owners you know, increased chain size or windlass size etc when fitting the new Mantus anchor, in order to cope with the extra weight involved.
Many Thanks,
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89


On 18 Feb 2020, at 11:40, Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via Groups.Io <southernadventurer@...> wrote:

 Hi,
There are a number of Amel yachts that have Mantus anchors fitted including several SM that have a 105lb Mantus. We are in the process of fitting one on our SM2K.

Here is an article of one such boat that fitted the Mantus 105lb. 

Regards
Ross
SV INTREPID KIWI
SM2K #356
Currently Croatia
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 10:03 am, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hi Steve,

In my opinion a 47kg Mantus is overkill. Remember that the system is as strong as its weakest link. Pay particular attention to swivels and other connectors. 

I would suggest looking for something around 40kg as a maximum. For my 54 I chose a 37kg Spade anchor. When it is well set I can not budge it with a lot of power, I also went for new 10mm Grade 70 chain rather than the grade 40 and a massive Mantus swivel and special shackle that is as strong as the grade 70 chain. The original 30kg WASI is now a second anchor, but in my view it is undersized and a bit old fashioned. It does however fit well on the port roller, and is ready to go, and more or less manageable from a dinghy.

Obviously there is a good argument for a massive anchor, but as you point out you must consider the windlass and the rest of the system.

All in my humble opinion.

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019
Kilada Greece.
On 18 Feb 2020, at 08:30, Stephen Nicholson <stevenich@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
I am about to purchase a new Mantus 47 kg (105lb) galvanised anchor for my Super Maramu, which is the same size as that on SvDelos, but quite large for an SM which seem to usually have anchors around 30kg. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find out how Delos have got on with it, but most experienced sailors say it is better to go bigger for the extra security.  With an all chain rode, 10mm I think, am I putting too much strain on the windlass on a daily basis? I would appreciate your thoughts and recommendations.
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89

Re: Lock downs on floor boards

CW Bill Rouse
 

JP, Ken, et al

None of the other hundred or more SMs that I have been aboard had PERKO latches. Perco is a Florida company. If anyone is interested in the latches shown in the photos that were added to this SM, here is the contact information:
Perko Inc.
16490 Northwest 13th Avenue
Miami, Florida 33169-5707
305.621.7525 [Phone]
https://www.perko.com/  
sales@... 

I am not sure where in Europe Amel sourced the latches that Amel optionally installed on SMs. Regarding the installation of floor latches/locks, I have always believed that having the floor hatches locked in case of a roll inverting the boat would be the least of my worries. That said, BeBe SM 387 had Amel installed latches and they were not Perko.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:20 PM Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:
Hi Gang,

Our friends Ken and Zeville on SM2K Aquarius sent us this. Their floor boards were built like this at the factory

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera 




Begin forwarded message:

From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
Date: 20 February 2020 at 5:20:16 AM NZDT
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re:  [AmelYachtOwners] Lock downs on floor boards
Reply-To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Here are photos of the Lock Downs on Aquarius.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K #262
Lock downs on floor boards

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Gang,

Our friends Ken and Zeville on SM2K Aquarius sent us this. Their floor boards were built like this at the factory

Cheers

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera 




Begin forwarded message:

From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
Date: 20 February 2020 at 5:20:16 AM NZDT
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re:  [AmelYachtOwners] Lock downs on floor boards
Reply-To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Here are photos of the Lock Downs on Aquarius.

Ken Powers
Aquarius
SM2K #262
HF plate cleaning

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi All,

We are on the hard and I wish to clean the grounding plate on the Skegness.

How do you proceed? What product do you use?

Kind regards,

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007, NZ
Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Porter McRoberts
 

As I understand it, series vs parallel is a trade off. In series, in full light, there is reduced impedance because of the higher transmission voltages to the MPPT ostensibly close to the batteries. In parallel, higher resistances( 3x) because 1/3rd the transmission voltage, but when shading one panel you still have 2/3 the amperage at the same voltage that you had with no shading. 
So it’s a trade off. For us: we went with series installation as our plan was less time around other masts and more time in Anchorages and sailing. I’d love to see actual numbers. 
Never sure I made the right choice, except I run the genny for water and laundry only now, so solar has been a big improvement over all. 

Porter
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.com

On Feb 19, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:



The Amel installation includes a Victron 150/35 MPPT controller.  I have observed that shading is definitely an issue.  As the sun makes its way around, there are always times when the mizzen boom, mizzen mast, SSB whip antenna and even the US ensign makes a minor amount of shade, resulting sometimes in a big drop of output.  I have no experience with panels that do not have blocking diodes So I’m wondering how much worse the impact of shading would be. I also wonder why Amel installed the panels in series rather than Parallel as there is a tradeoff im sure.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Main furler SM

Paul Osterberg
 

I'm servicing my furlers and wonder what kind of lubricants I should have in the main furler?
see pictures, when disassembly it was a grayish syrup like liquid
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Joerg Esdorn
 

The Amel installation includes a Victron 150/35 MPPT controller.  I have observed that shading is definitely an issue.  As the sun makes its way around, there are always times when the mizzen boom, mizzen mast, SSB whip antenna and even the US ensign makes a minor amount of shade, resulting sometimes in a big drop of output.  I have no experience with panels that do not have blocking diodes So I’m wondering how much worse the impact of shading would be. I also wonder why Amel installed the panels in series rather than Parallel as there is a tradeoff im sure.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Re: Lock downs on floor boards

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Here are some photos of the two lock-downs on our floor boards.

Aquarius
SM2K #262
Currently in Thailand

On 2/19/20, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi gang,

The new owner of SM444 can possibly give you some info.

IIRC, the PO of 444 had locks on his floor panels

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera SM 007 NZ
On 19/02/2020, at 2:31 PM, karkauai via Groups.Io
<karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I'd also like to hear how SM owners have installed lock-downs on the floor
lockers.

Thanks
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Leaving Georgetown Exumas for T&C, then Martinique in the next 24 hours.

On Feb 18, 2020 10:11 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io"
<jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my
55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions. Has anyone installed them
and could share a picture and make and model fittings used? Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Re: Lock downs on floor boards

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi gang, 

The new owner of SM444 can possibly give you some info. 

IIRC, the PO of 444 had locks on his floor panels

Jean-Pierre Germain 
SY Eleuthera SM 007 NZ


On 19/02/2020, at 2:31 PM, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:


I'd also like to hear how SM owners have installed lock-downs on the floor lockers.

Thanks
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Leaving Georgetown Exumas for T&C, then Martinique in the next 24 hours.

On Feb 18, 2020 10:11 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io" <jhe1313@...> wrote:
I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my 55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions.  Has anyone installed them and could share a picture and make and model fittings used?  Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem

Re: Lock downs on floor boards

karkauai
 

I'd also like to hear how SM owners have installed lock-downs on the floor lockers.

Thanks
Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Leaving Georgetown Exumas for T&C, then Martinique in the next 24 hours.

On Feb 18, 2020 10:11 AM, "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io" <jhe1313@...> wrote:
I have been wondering how to install lock downs on the floor boards of my 55 so they cannot open in extreme conditions.  Has anyone installed them and could share a picture and make and model fittings used?  Many thanks!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem

Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Alan Leslie
 

Paul,

We have 3 x 250 W solar panels on an arch with Schottky diodes, whether its better with or without I don't know since we installed them from new.
We also rarely run the generator except when leaving / arriving in port, lifting the anchor, heating the water, solar takes care of most of our needs. 
We have 5 year old AGMS (3 banks of 4 x 6v in series with balancers) which are still performing well.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437  
Re: Size of main anchor for Super Maramu

Stephen Nicholson
 

Hello again,
Many thanks for all your valuable comments! One additional question for those people who have upgraded to the 47kg (105 lb) Mantus option on their SM. Does your windlass cope OK with the weight of the 47kg anchor plus anchor chain, or have you had a BIGGER windlass installed to handle the extra weight?
Many thanks for your help!
Steve Nicholson
SM Antigua II #89
Re: Fuel tank cleaning

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Hi, how do you clean it? On my current boat I open tank every spring and use plastic tube connected to a pump to remove 1-2 gallons until I stop seeing black chunks from the bottom. 
I do that to avoid filters clogging, even though I have double primaries setup. Preventive measures. I’d like to continue to clean the tanks with Amel as well, knowing that it would reduce my chances of clogging primaries. 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:58 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:

For info: A54 diesel tank blueprint attached. 


Hope that helps
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahuata, French Polynesia 

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 16:53, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Scott,

 

Thanks for that. Yes, I should have guessed the wires for the gauge! A for the possible slope I guess I could put a spirit level on and see what it averages out at.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: 17 February 2020 20:27
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel tank cleaning

 

Paul,

Pretty sure fuel outlet is fore as that's where the Racors are. The forward hatch wires are for the electronic fuel gauge in the cockpit fuel locker. 

There's bit of a baffle. Just open up the hatches and all will be obvious. It's pretty easy to open.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

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Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

Ryan Meador
 

I agree that SM is a very quiet boat.  Essentially no squeaking in big seas and wind, and a tiny bit of thermal expansion/contraction noise.  There is one way that the SM makes some noise though, and I feel it needs to be mentioned (there was even a thread about it not long ago): waves slapping against the stern.  This is most noticeable when the boat is empty (i.e. new to you).  Filling the boat with stuff, especially the stern locker, significantly reduces the noise.  You'll get used to it quickly, as well.  I don't recall hearing it in a long time, but it was very noticeable the first few days after we bought it.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:16 AM Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
Yes they are quiet....almost totally
We had an annoying squeak last year in big seas, it was traced to one of the bolts holding down the hard dodger. Tightened it and the others, squeak gone.
The only noise we have is from the sea running past the boat ( I quite like that), and sometimes going up wind and a bit overpowered, she slams.
We have lock downs on our opening floorboards to prevent them opening but I would have to say we have never had any cupboards come open, not even the drawers just forward of the nav station, and we have been in some pretty rough stuff sometimes.
I have never ever seen any boat that is as well constructed as our Amel SM 2000, and it was gratifying to see at La Rochelle last year the the new 50 and 60 are built in exactly the same way.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Dessalator Watermaker 24 volt motor

Sv Garulfo
 



Hi Bill,

Yes we did at the time and if i recall correctly, they were available at around €55 ex vat each. 

Best,

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahuata, Marquesas, French Polynesia 


On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 at 07:44, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Thomas,

Thanks for your posting. Did you try Dessalator.com for these brushes? I think this is important to know.




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On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 2:00 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
Hello 

There are 4 brushes on the motor. They are held in place by rubber covers that you unscrew. 
I find it easier to bring the motor out of the engine room to work on the brushes. 

I cleaned the carbon dust twice in the space of a couple of weeks and eventually replaced the brushes. Looking at the new ones, I noticed the old ones were slightly cracked lengthways, which could have explained why they wouldn’t slide so freely in their housing and would eventually lose conductivity. I guess i could have sanded them down a little to fix the issue. 

We sourced the brushes here:
vendite@...

Product code SP1812MC50

They’re not cheap (about €15 each) and they had a minimum order of €180 and would only
ship dhl which was €60. The company was a bit of a pain to work with, as they usually only work with companies, not individuals. 

We got a discount for ordering 3 sets of 4 brushes n springs, and still have a spare one.


Hope that helps

Thomas
GARULFO
A54-122
Nuku Hiva, Marquesas, French Polynesia 




On 4 Feb 2020, at 13:24, ofer magen <ofermagen@...> wrote:

Hallo,
I have the same problem now with the 24v motor not working.
Can you please explain where the brushes are and how to remove them?
Thanks, 
Ofer
SV Alba
Amel 54 #160
Cyprus 
Re: Fuel tank cleaning

Sv Garulfo
 


For info: A54 diesel tank blueprint attached. 


Hope that helps
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahuata, French Polynesia 

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 16:53, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:

Scott,

 

Thanks for that. Yes, I should have guessed the wires for the gauge! A for the possible slope I guess I could put a spirit level on and see what it averages out at.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: 17 February 2020 20:27
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel tank cleaning

 

Paul,

Pretty sure fuel outlet is fore as that's where the Racors are. The forward hatch wires are for the electronic fuel gauge in the cockpit fuel locker. 

There's bit of a baffle. Just open up the hatches and all will be obvious. It's pretty easy to open.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

PDF
RESERVOIR GAZOLE ALU DE 900L X04_0141.pdf

Re: Are Amel boats quiet?

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Thank you all for your comments. This is what I thought and got confirmations from first hands. I knew the build quality is very different, but Lagoon is also in 1M+ range yacht, which made me wander. 
Thanks for putting my mind at ease 🙂 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 5:03 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Mine is very quiet no squiky sounds even during very uncomfortable passages. only a small sound from the wind screen/doghouse but that is a very minor issue. My friends sailing with us always comment that it is a very quiet boat
Paul on sykerpa SM#259

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Re: Recommended solar panel brand

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Scott,

 

The problem I have is that I use a VSAT which has three thick cables taking up most of the conduit space. I am told that by putting schottky diodes between the panels the loss due to uneven shading across panels is significantly mitigated, although I have not tried it yet, and indeed would be interested to hear from anyone who has. Having said all that, we are extremely pleased with the performance of these panels, and now find that we only need to run either the engine or generator to get hot water! We have 4 year old AGMs.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah
Sent: 18 February 2020 12:24
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Recommended solar panel brand

 

Paul:

Exactly right. I saw a test where they wired multiple panels parallel and serial and saw that partial shading from booms/sails really dropped output on serially connected panels. I was able to obtain the same results when performing the same experiment.

Where do you have your MPPT? I have all six wires running from the arch to two switches (pos/neg) in the starboard side of the lazarette. With the short run and only one panel per pair for this section, I don't need super thick cables. Then I run a single pair of 13mm2 wires to the MPPT located near the boat's main switches. That fit in the conduit with room to spare and I believe the calcs showed very acceptable voltage drop even at the max 960watt output.

There is some argument that the higher voltage with serial will turn on the mppt earlier since it requires (battery voltage+5v) to startup, but frankly, I am fine missing out on a few minutes of early morning sun. I'm also thinking that 35-40 volts on the parallel panels might be safer in the event of a catastrophic event. 120-130v DC could hurt.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 

Oliver -

Any luck with this?

I also appreciate Thomas and others' willingness to translate engineer speak into something us laymen will understand. :)


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
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