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Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Mark Erdos
 

Although not fitted with a Volvo or a 54, Cream puff is fitted with a Vetus Waterlock muffler. Even if you do not have the Vetus model, the setup for the water-lock is probably very similar. The muffler is fitted with a drain screw. Undoing this screw while underway would absolutely eliminated any chance of water back-flowing into the engine. If you opt to do this, it might be advisable to attach a hose pointed toward the bilge. And, of course, do not run the engine with the water-lock drain open.

 

So, for those of you not wanting to run the engine at all while underway on long passages, this is an alternate option.

 

Image result for vetus waterlock

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

 


Re: Too many VHF aerials?

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Mark,

Do you have a Class A VHF?  Those are the type that use two antennas for DSC, but I've never seen one in the flesh -- most recreational boats use Class D, with a shared antenna.

On our boat, we have one antenna on each mast.  The main mast is split between the nav station VHF and AIS, and the mizzen is connected to the helm VHF.  Both VHFs have DSC.  This setup has worked well for us.  If the splitter fails, it's easy to connect the nav station VHF directly to the radio, and I believe we also have a jumper between the helm and nav station so we can swap the antennas to either radio by plugging a few wires (that's what the wire is labeled as by the previous owner... I haven't tried).  And we also have a handheld as a third backup.

I think having the AIS on the main mast for better range outweighs any drawbacks of having a splitter.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 12:10 PM Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,

We also have one VHF on the main mast, and one on the mizzen. Maybe I have misunderstood the configuration, but here is how I think we have it:

The main mast antenna is hooked up to our VHF analog radio. That radio also has a button for DSC (the D standing for digital), but I always assumed that the DSC signal was transmitted via the same antenna as the analog VHF signal, not on a separate antenna. At least, when I installed the radio, there was only one antenna output terminal on the radio, so I don’t see how it would use two antennas.

Our mizzen antenna hooks up directly to the AIS transceiver, no other devices use it. 

If the either VHF antenna failed, we also have a spare antenna on board that could be partially hoisted for elevation.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique



On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:56 AM, marklesparkle59 <marklesparkle59@...> wrote:

On my main mast there is the main VHF Radio aerial, on the mizzen are the DSC aerial and the Emergency VHF aerial and I would like to add an AIS aerial to avoid a splitter. I am considering replacing the Emergency aerial with the AIS and using a bolt on emergency. How have other owners coped with this proliferation? 

Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
SHARKI #96
CARDIFF Marine Village


Too many VHF aerials?

marklesparkle59
 

On my main mast there is the main VHF Radio aerial, on the mizzen are the DSC aerial and the Emergency VHF aerial and I would like to add an AIS aerial to avoid a splitter. I am considering replacing the Emergency aerial with the AIS and using a bolt on emergency. How have other owners coped with or avoided this proliferation? 

Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
SHARKI #96
CARDIFF Marine Village


Re: Windsreen replacement

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Paul,

Last spring I got an offer to have them replaced for a little over 900 euro by:

SARL caraibe menuiserie le Carénage
97290 LE MARIN
Tél : 0596537663
Tél portable : 0696257604
Fax : 0596537663
Site web :
Email : serge@...

I was not able to get to Martinique at that time so I have no idea about quality, etc.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Too many VHF aerials?

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Mark,

We also have one VHF on the main mast, and one on the mizzen. Maybe I have misunderstood the configuration, but here is how I think we have it:

The main mast antenna is hooked up to our VHF analog radio. That radio also has a button for DSC (the D standing for digital), but I always assumed that the DSC signal was transmitted via the same antenna as the analog VHF signal, not on a separate antenna. At least, when I installed the radio, there was only one antenna output terminal on the radio, so I don’t see how it would use two antennas.

Our mizzen antenna hooks up directly to the AIS transceiver, no other devices use it. 

If the either VHF antenna failed, we also have a spare antenna on board that could be partially hoisted for elevation.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Martinique



On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:56 AM, marklesparkle59 <marklesparkle59@...> wrote:

On my main mast there is the main VHF Radio aerial, on the mizzen are the DSC aerial and the Emergency VHF aerial and I would like to add an AIS aerial to avoid a splitter. I am considering replacing the Emergency aerial with the AIS and using a bolt on emergency. How have other owners coped with this proliferation? 

Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
SHARKI #96
CARDIFF Marine Village


Re: Batteries

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 


Is this Dr. James Cromie? Kim and I were just talking about you and wondered if you and your lovely family ever made it down. We hope you are doing well and your parents are at peace with your sailing adventures 😉. Hope to cross paths and catch up. We are heading back to St.Martin by early February then a leisurely pace south to Trinidad by end of season. Happy new year!
All the best,
Chuck and Kim 


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 12:53 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Chuck - By the way, I’m enjoying espresso several times a day ever since I picked up the same machine that I saw on your boat back in Cuttyhunk!  
More Caffeine = more projects done in a day and more productive deck hands!

Best,
James
On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Thanks James. I am in contact with them and like the Trojans. Can't seem to find them in stock on the island so might have to ship. Thanks 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:28 AM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Chuck - 
I purchased a full set of Trojan 31XHS and a DEKA 1231 starter battery from DCBattery “dot” com.  
They provided excellent service and shipped them all to Aruba for only $230.  
The trojans were $205 each, and the DEKA was $135.  I thought it was a good deal to get the exact batteries I wanted.   Shipping to PR and any taxes should be even easier. 

All batteries arrived in good condition based upon personally load testing them and manufacture dates were the same month as delivery to me. 

contact was Danny Rojas:  danny “at” dcbatter “dot” com

Best,
James
On Jan 7, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Greetings All and Happy New Year!

In Puerto Rico now and looking for batteries. Can anyone recommend a supplier. Hoping Gary S. will pipe in I know he spends a lot of time here. Thanks in advance. 






Too many VHF aerials?

marklesparkle59
 

On my main mast there is the main VHF Radio aerial, on the mizzen are the DSC aerial and the Emergency VHF aerial and I would like to add an AIS aerial to avoid a splitter. I am considering replacing the Emergency aerial with the AIS and using a bolt on emergency. How have other owners coped with this proliferation? 

Mark Porter
Sea Hobo
SHARKI #96
CARDIFF Marine Village


Re: Batteries

James Cromie
 

Chuck - By the way, I’m enjoying espresso several times a day ever since I picked up the same machine that I saw on your boat back in Cuttyhunk!  
More Caffeine = more projects done in a day and more productive deck hands!

Best,
James

On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Thanks James. I am in contact with them and like the Trojans. Can't seem to find them in stock on the island so might have to ship. Thanks 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:28 AM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Chuck - 
I purchased a full set of Trojan 31XHS and a DEKA 1231 starter battery from DCBattery “dot” com.  
They provided excellent service and shipped them all to Aruba for only $230.  
The trojans were $205 each, and the DEKA was $135.  I thought it was a good deal to get the exact batteries I wanted.   Shipping to PR and any taxes should be even easier. 

All batteries arrived in good condition based upon personally load testing them and manufacture dates were the same month as delivery to me. 

contact was Danny Rojas:  danny “at” dcbatter “dot” com

Best,
James
On Jan 7, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Greetings All and Happy New Year!

In Puerto Rico now and looking for batteries. Can anyone recommend a supplier. Hoping Gary S. will pipe in I know he spends a lot of time here. Thanks in advance. 






Re: Batteries

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Thanks James. I am in contact with them and like the Trojans. Can't seem to find them in stock on the island so might have to ship. Thanks 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:28 AM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Chuck - 
I purchased a full set of Trojan 31XHS and a DEKA 1231 starter battery from DCBattery “dot” com.  
They provided excellent service and shipped them all to Aruba for only $230.  
The trojans were $205 each, and the DEKA was $135.  I thought it was a good deal to get the exact batteries I wanted.   Shipping to PR and any taxes should be even easier. 

All batteries arrived in good condition based upon personally load testing them and manufacture dates were the same month as delivery to me. 

contact was Danny Rojas:  danny “at” dcbatter “dot” com

Best,
James
On Jan 7, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Greetings All and Happy New Year!

In Puerto Rico now and looking for batteries. Can anyone recommend a supplier. Hoping Gary S. will pipe in I know he spends a lot of time here. Thanks in advance. 



Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Scott SV Tengah
 

Fantastic information from Olivier.  Thank you. I presume the flap is a specific Amel part or can we buy it elsewhere? I am totally for supporting Amel but the shipping costs from France get a bit high for a small part. :)

On another note, what is the general guideline for using the Volvo D3-110 and the Onan when the boat is heeled over? I do recall reading the Onan spec that it shouldn't be used at more than 10 degrees constant with short bursts to 20degrees. I can definitely hear a change in genset note when the boat is rolling and it is not related to the exhaust outlet going underwater. 

Back in my car racing days, I was very aware of oil starvation when the oil sloshes to the side of the oil sump while cornering. The solution there was either baffles (helps) or a dry sump. Is this a concern with our marine engines/genset?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Batteries

Christian HUBER <chr.huber@...>
 

Hi,

I bought 5 batteries by this supplier in Puerto Rico last year and they were very helpful.

https://www.interstatebatteries.com/locations/all-battery-center-san-juan-pr?utm_source=referral&utm_campaign=llm

Regards and happy new year to Amel's Family

Christian Huber, Amel Santorin 089


Re: Batteries

James Cromie
 

Hi Chuck - 
I purchased a full set of Trojan 31XHS and a DEKA 1231 starter battery from DCBattery “dot” com.  
They provided excellent service and shipped them all to Aruba for only $230.  
The trojans were $205 each, and the DEKA was $135.  I thought it was a good deal to get the exact batteries I wanted.   Shipping to PR and any taxes should be even easier. 

All batteries arrived in good condition based upon personally load testing them and manufacture dates were the same month as delivery to me. 

contact was Danny Rojas:  danny “at” dcbatter “dot” com

Best,
James

On Jan 7, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Greetings All and Happy New Year!

In Puerto Rico now and looking for batteries. Can anyone recommend a supplier. Hoping Gary S. will pipe in I know he spends a lot of time here. Thanks in advance. 



Re: Batteries

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Have not tried West Marine. Looking for lead acid deep cycle. Preferably Trojan good price good battery. Thanks for your reply. 
Chuck 
Joy #388

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:08 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Have you tried the local Costco? West Marine? It may help if you state the type of batteries you seek.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chuck_Kim_Joy
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:52 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Batteries

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year!

In Puerto Rico now and looking for batteries. Can anyone recommend a supplier. Hoping Gary S. will pipe in I know he spends a lot of time here. Thanks in advance. 


Windsreen replacement

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi all and Happy New Year!

 

Would anyone know if it is possible to get a replacement perspex windscreen made in Martinique?

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Batteries

Mark Erdos
 

Have you tried the local Costco? West Marine? It may help if you state the type of batteries you seek.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chuck_Kim_Joy
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:52 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Batteries

 

Greetings All and Happy New Year!

In Puerto Rico now and looking for batteries. Can anyone recommend a supplier. Hoping Gary S. will pipe in I know he spends a lot of time here. Thanks in advance. 


Batteries

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Greetings All and Happy New Year!

In Puerto Rico now and looking for batteries. Can anyone recommend a supplier. Hoping Gary S. will pipe in I know he spends a lot of time here. Thanks in advance. 


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Courtney Gorman
 

Thank you Olivier great information I appreciate it very much
Cheers
Courtney
sv Trippin
54#101
Secret Harbour


-----Original Message-----
From: Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>; main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 6:16 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Happy New Year to all of you happy AMEL owners,

In severe conditions, on a port tack, the waves slapping the portside may push some seawater into the main engine exhaust through-hull fitting. This is why AMEL installs (in SMs since 1993 and AMEL 54 and 55) an anti-return rubber flap (not a one way valve) into a stainless steel box, close to the hull. However, even if this system works fine, it is recommended to run the engine twice a day (or more, depending on the conditions) in order to blow out the water that could accumulate in the VETUS muffler.
If the rubber flap is damaged/old/out of shape, it could let more water in. This is something you can check (with your hand or a picture from outside). I would replace it every 2000 hours or 10 years.

At sea, if you want to check if water has accumulated in the VETUS muffler, you may open the plug located at the bottom, and let the water drain.

I'm not sure there are so many engines damaged by sea water entering the exhaust line. However, there are other causes for water to get into the cylinders:
-a leaking water maker high pressure circuit can make a seawater mist/drizzle that will be sucked at once if the engine is running at the same time. Water will get into the cylinders through the air intake valves
-trying to start the engine (cranking) without firing will cause the muffler to fill up with seawater that will not be blown out because of no exhaust gas. Once the muffler is full, water may get into the cylinders through the exhaust valves

Last point, the anti-siphon system cannot prevent water from getting into the exhaust line. It is designed in order no water can be sucked from the intake line, and once the engine is off, in order the line drains into the muffler, and water does not keep above the engine for a long time. This is also a check point (does the water drip out of the cockpit while the engine is running?).

Starting the engine once a day (or twice in bad conditions/port tack) is not a big deal and will keep you sure that the engine is OK. 
I cannot imagine that you AMEL owners, sail on a passage without running the engine for a week or more...

AMEL does not give the same advice concerning the generator because they consider that you need to run the generator twice a day (on a passage). For those who now rely only on solar panels, wind generators and water generators, I strongly recommend that you start the genset also once or twice a day (in bad conditions) in order to blow out the water that could accumulate in its muffler.


Happy sailings and fair winds all along 2020.

Olivier

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 10:09:54 AM GMT+1, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:


Same instruction for Amel 54 with Volkswagen 140 tdI
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Beaute Olivier
 

Happy New Year to all of you happy AMEL owners,

In severe conditions, on a port tack, the waves slapping the portside may push some seawater into the main engine exhaust through-hull fitting. This is why AMEL installs (in SMs since 1993 and AMEL 54 and 55) an anti-return rubber flap (not a one way valve) into a stainless steel box, close to the hull. However, even if this system works fine, it is recommended to run the engine twice a day (or more, depending on the conditions) in order to blow out the water that could accumulate in the VETUS muffler.
If the rubber flap is damaged/old/out of shape, it could let more water in. This is something you can check (with your hand or a picture from outside). I would replace it every 2000 hours or 10 years.

At sea, if you want to check if water has accumulated in the VETUS muffler, you may open the plug located at the bottom, and let the water drain.

I'm not sure there are so many engines damaged by sea water entering the exhaust line. However, there are other causes for water to get into the cylinders:
-a leaking water maker high pressure circuit can make a seawater mist/drizzle that will be sucked at once if the engine is running at the same time. Water will get into the cylinders through the air intake valves
-trying to start the engine (cranking) without firing will cause the muffler to fill up with seawater that will not be blown out because of no exhaust gas. Once the muffler is full, water may get into the cylinders through the exhaust valves

Last point, the anti-siphon system cannot prevent water from getting into the exhaust line. It is designed in order no water can be sucked from the intake line, and once the engine is off, in order the line drains into the muffler, and water does not keep above the engine for a long time. This is also a check point (does the water drip out of the cockpit while the engine is running?).

Starting the engine once a day (or twice in bad conditions/port tack) is not a big deal and will keep you sure that the engine is OK. 
I cannot imagine that you AMEL owners, sail on a passage without running the engine for a week or more...

AMEL does not give the same advice concerning the generator because they consider that you need to run the generator twice a day (on a passage). For those who now rely only on solar panels, wind generators and water generators, I strongly recommend that you start the genset also once or twice a day (in bad conditions) in order to blow out the water that could accumulate in its muffler.


Happy sailings and fair winds all along 2020.

Olivier

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 10:09:54 AM GMT+1, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:


Same instruction for Amel 54 with Volkswagen 140 tdI
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

Wolfgang Weber
 

Same instruction for Amel 54 with Volkswagen 140 tdI
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162


Re: Amel's suggestion to run the Volvo D3-110 (A54) daily while on passage

ngtnewington Newington
 

The anti syphon loop should prevent any water making it into the muffler box even when healed on starboard tack.

Many boats have the engine exhaust in the transom and it is said that in certain conditions a wave may slam into the stern forcing water into the engine, but I have never experienced this on a sailing boat. I think some sport fishing boats are prone to this, when backing into a sea once a big fish is hooked. Not our problem.


Can it happen with a sea from the port side? Maybe; I do not know. So far I have not had a problem, between the WI and Greece and a bit of to-ing and fro-ing between.

When I purchased Amelia in Grenada, I of course read the Amel literature on board, cover to cover and made note of that piece of text. It rather goes against my philosophy, now that I have solar and wind generated power. So I have not used the engine at sea just to blast water through the exhaust system. What I do however is keep a good eye on the anti syphon system for both engine and generator. I also note that the bilge pump on the 54 does not have an anti syphon loop as the original one is a diaphram type and thus not prone to syphoning.

So in conclusion I do not bother to run the engine daily. More like every few days or once a week whilst at sea. In practice it is only on longish passages that this is relevant. If the winds are light it is no inconvenience to run the engine for half an hour to get hot water, but when it is windy I hate to run the engine at all. So I do not.

I am interested to hear if anyone has had a problem with this. 

Regarding the Volvo D3. I am happy with mine so far…..fingers crossed. 

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019
Stored ashore in Kilada Greece


No you’re not the only one. We do it too. 
But our engine did fail, but it wasn’t a flooded engine scenario, but rather bad cylinder liners. A new engine. H version has been running well from Panama to New Zealand. 
I think it is good advice, on really any engine or configuration, if not sea water, sea mist and air get into the remaining open cylinder through the open valve. 

But a question to those who know much more than I re this scenario: doesn’t the muffler reduce flow from the external boat to the engine?  And also, the one way exhaust valve, at the exit of the exhaust from the hull, also reduce back flow?  

Best of luck Scott
Porter A54-152




On Jan 6, 2020, at 9:22 PM, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Given the spate of failed Volvo D3-110 engines and more than a few with seawater found in the cylinders, I am inclined to believe that there is a design weakness in the exhaust system on A54s. I do not know if the exhaust system is significantly different on the SM and other prior models but it does seem we only hear of flooded A54 engines.

In any event, I read the following in my manual and at least two other A54 owners had never heard this advice:

"You must run the main engine everyday of sailing for 15 or 20 minutes (in 1 or 2 times) to drain the exhaust circuit from the seawater the waves that fill in it."

Am I the only one who does this?
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
<Engine Warning Volvo D3-110.pdf>