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Re: Cooking batteries

Giovanni TESTA
 

About standard DELPHI freedom marine(calcium) batteries I am now
wondering if to replace or not all of them.
They are in good shape but working from 1/1/2004.
The next november 2007 I think to across the Atlantic and I wish
full power on board.
Every suggestion will be appreciated,
thanks to all,
Giovanni TESTA
EUTIKIA, SM2000 # 428
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John and Anne on Bali Hai"
<annejohn@...> wrote:

I am no expert in this area but if I had the problem I would be
very
very worried. There is clearly at least one fault somewhwere in
the
electrics be it battery, alternators, regulators, battery chargers
or defective wiring with intermitent connections.
You were very lucky to have caught the problem just in time before
you had a fire on board and you got away with acid deposits, no
explosions from hydrogen release, no lung damage from sulphurous
acid fumes etc.
If it was me I would find a top class electrician and get his
diagnosis and cure. If he cannot find the cause get another expert.
You are probably aware that every year there are boats burnt out
whilst on the hard as well as in a marina as a result of mains
being
left connected to charge the batteries and when they become
defective they over heat.
On an entirely different point I recently had problems with one of
my batteries and never understood why Delphi claim that you can
see
the health of one of their batteries by looking at the little
window
which should be green in a perfect world. I thought that this was
B
S until the electrician scraped off the protective film from the
windows and all was revealed!

Be warned, Anne and John SM 319


Cooking batteries

John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
 

I am no expert in this area but if I had the problem I would be very
very worried. There is clearly at least one fault somewhwere in the
electrics be it battery, alternators, regulators, battery chargers
or defective wiring with intermitent connections.
You were very lucky to have caught the problem just in time before
you had a fire on board and you got away with acid deposits, no
explosions from hydrogen release, no lung damage from sulphurous
acid fumes etc.
If it was me I would find a top class electrician and get his
diagnosis and cure. If he cannot find the cause get another expert.
You are probably aware that every year there are boats burnt out
whilst on the hard as well as in a marina as a result of mains being
left connected to charge the batteries and when they become
defective they over heat.
On an entirely different point I recently had problems with one of
my batteries and never understood why Delphi claim that you can see
the health of one of their batteries by looking at the little window
which should be green in a perfect world. I thought that this was B
S until the electrician scraped off the protective film from the
windows and all was revealed!

Be warned, Anne and John SM 319


Re: cooking batteries

John McDougall <j.c.mcdougall@...>
 

I left my boat over winter '04 in Dubrovnik marina and contracted the
boatyard to run the generator & charge the batteries every 2-4 weeks.
They clearly did not do this and they also left the battery switches
on, causing the batteries to be "dead" when I arrived in May 05.

Upon charging using shore power the result was exactly as you
describe. Sizzling heat, strong smell and water (acid) on floor of
compartment. I got by temporarily by disconnecting the two worst
batteries (7&8 from memory) and charging while motoring was OK but
problem re-occurred with shore power. All the batteries had to be
replaced and this cured the problem. The batteries (original Delphi)
were by this time 4years old & therefore towards the end of their life
anyway.

I realise you say that your batteries check out OK but the symptoms
are identical.




In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "mgrunstein2002"
<mgrunstein2002@...> wrote:



can anyone comment on the subject. Recently, while motoring, the battery
compartment heated up and upon opening it I was confronted with steam,
sizzling with water accumulating on the floor of the compartment, the
batteries too hot to the touch and strong smell. I left it open and
after a few hours they cooled down. This did not repeat when we
continued motoring and charging and discharging were again normal.

This happened again while we were connected to shore power, again with
the compartment closed. When open and charging it was normal again. now
I sail with open compartment and so far so good.

The alternator and batteries were checked and nothing wrong was found.
My batteries are the ASM or GSM from West Marine at $200+ each.

Any ideas?





Re: cooking batteries

sy_windfall <sy_windfall@...>
 

I am not an Amel owner, so I don't know about the actual charger used
in one, but I do know that for a proper operation it is necessary to
measure temperature at the batteries. This temperature is one of the
variables which are used to determine the correct charge
current/voltage. It will reduce charge current when the temperature
rises above a certain level.

Just an idea.

Best,
Eddy May
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "mgrunstein2002"
<mgrunstein2002@...> wrote:


can anyone comment on the subject. Recently, while motoring, the
battery
compartment heated up and upon opening it I was confronted with
steam,
sizzling with water accumulating on the floor of the compartment,
the
batteries too hot to the touch and strong smell. I left it open and
after a few hours they cooled down. This did not repeat when we
continued motoring and charging and discharging were again normal.

This happened again while we were connected to shore power, again
with
the compartment closed. When open and charging it was normal again.
now
I sail with open compartment and so far so good.

The alternator and batteries were checked and nothing wrong was
found.
My batteries are the ASM or GSM from West Marine at $200+ each.

Any ideas?





cooking batteries

mgrunstein2002 <mgrunstein2002@...>
 

can anyone comment on the subject. Recently, while motoring, the battery
compartment heated up and upon opening it I was confronted with steam,
sizzling with water accumulating on the floor of the compartment, the
batteries too hot to the touch and strong smell. I left it open and
after a few hours they cooled down. This did not repeat when we
continued motoring and charging and discharging were again normal.

This happened again while we were connected to shore power, again with
the compartment closed. When open and charging it was normal again. now
I sail with open compartment and so far so good.

The alternator and batteries were checked and nothing wrong was found.
My batteries are the ASM or GSM from West Marine at $200+ each.

Any ideas?


Re: Teak Companionway "Cam Latches" replace the plastic thumb nuts

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

A more simple solution is to dril a hole in the companionway frame and
install a small sliding bolt lock. This is quick to use and leaves
the screw nuts in place so that they can be used to hold the
companionway slide at any desired height. This is not as pretty, but
it can be installed in less than 10 minutes and it will never ware out
or need adjusting.

Regards,

Miles Bidwell
LADYBUG

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jrjrjrouse2000"
<sailingjudy@...> wrote:

How many times have you turned and turned the campanionway plastic
thumb nuts to open and close the campanionway?

We have posted some photos of a solution that we really like. The
idea did not originate with us. Another Amel owner made a prototype
and we believe that we have perfected it.

See the photos and drawings we posted in a new album
titled "Campanionway Latches."

Regards,

Bill & Judy Rouse
SECURITY SM2 387


Re: Teak Companionway "Cam Latches" replace the plastic thumb nuts

Ag Av8ter
 

-
We were aboard Security and saw the cam latches. My first thought
was, "Why didn't I think of that?" Mine are made and our SM will be a
joy to open and close!!! Thanks Judy and Bill.


-- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jrjrjrouse2000"
<sailingjudy@...> wrote:

How many times have you turned and turned the campanionway plastic
thumb nuts to open and close the campanionway?

We have posted some photos of a solution that we really like. The
idea did not originate with us. Another Amel owner made a prototype
and we believe that we have perfected it.

See the photos and drawings we posted in a new album
titled "Campanionway Latches."

Regards,

Bill & Judy Rouse
SECURITY SM2 387


Re: Teak Companionway "Cam Latches" replace the plastic thumb nuts

Ag Av8ter
 

-
We were aboard Security and saw the cam latches. My first thought
was, "Why didn't I think of that?" Mine are made and our SM will be a
joy to open and close!!! Thanks Judy and Bill.


-- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jrjrjrouse2000"
<sailingjudy@...> wrote:

How many times have you turned and turned the campanionway plastic
thumb nuts to open and close the campanionway?

We have posted some photos of a solution that we really like. The
idea did not originate with us. Another Amel owner made a prototype
and we believe that we have perfected it.

See the photos and drawings we posted in a new album
titled "Campanionway Latches."

Regards,

Bill & Judy Rouse
SECURITY SM2 387


Re: Teak Companionway "Cam Latches" replace the plastic thumb nuts

abulerhum <dji314@...>
 

EXCELLENT!
How could have we been leaving without it before? I'll make it right away!
Georges Pellegrini

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jrjrjrouse2000" <sailingjudy@...> wrote:

How many times have you turned and turned the campanionway plastic
thumb nuts to open and close the campanionway?

We have posted some photos of a solution that we really like. The
idea did not originate with us. Another Amel owner made a prototype
and we believe that we have perfected it.

See the photos and drawings we posted in a new album
titled "Campanionway Latches."

Regards,

Bill & Judy Rouse
SECURITY SM2 387


Re: Teak Companionway "Cam Latches" replace the plastic thumb nuts

Judy Rouse
 

The point is that you open the companionway by one simple flip of
each wrist, rather than turning and turning and turning and
turning.....

Judy

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Paquin"
<alex.paquin@...> wrote:

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jrjrjrouse2000"
<sailingjudy@> wrote:

How many times have you turned and turned the campanionway
plastic
thumb nuts to open and close the campanionway?

We have posted some photos of a solution that we really like.
The
idea did not originate with us. Another Amel owner made a
prototype
and we believe that we have perfected it.

See the photos and drawings we posted in a new album
titled "Campanionway Latches."

Regards,

Bill & Judy Rouse
SECURITY SM2 387
Looks interesting but I don't seem to get the point!

Alex Paquin
Simpatico Maramu #94


Re: Teak Companionway "Cam Latches" replace the plastic thumb nuts

Alejandro Paquin
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jrjrjrouse2000"
<sailingjudy@...> wrote:

How many times have you turned and turned the campanionway plastic
thumb nuts to open and close the campanionway?

We have posted some photos of a solution that we really like. The
idea did not originate with us. Another Amel owner made a
prototype
and we believe that we have perfected it.

See the photos and drawings we posted in a new album
titled "Campanionway Latches."

Regards,

Bill & Judy Rouse
SECURITY SM2 387
Looks interesting but I don't seem to get the point!

Alex Paquin
Simpatico Maramu #94


Teak Companionway "Cam Latches" replace the plastic thumb nuts

Judy Rouse
 

How many times have you turned and turned the campanionway plastic
thumb nuts to open and close the campanionway?

We have posted some photos of a solution that we really like. The
idea did not originate with us. Another Amel owner made a prototype
and we believe that we have perfected it.

See the photos and drawings we posted in a new album
titled "Campanionway Latches."

Regards,

Bill & Judy Rouse
SECURITY SM2 387


Google Earth marine application(s)

Zanareva
 

Check out what this French company is doing:

* shipwrecks plotted off the French coastline
* coastal aerial photos (of French Atlantic and Med) tie to Google maps
* raster nautical charts overlaid on Google maps (technology demo)
* tide predictions around the world
and more

http://www.justmagic.com/GM-GE.html

Heck, once broadband connectivity is available thru out the oceans of
the world (read cheaply) imagine how that will change navigation.

Richard


Re: Cockpit locker

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks John for your efforts on my behalf, corrections noted.

Gary

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John and Anne on Bali Hai" <annejohn@...>
wrote:

Hello again Gary,
I have just had a look at my message of yesterday and seen that I gave
you a wrong dimension. The depth of the forward end of the locker from
the cockpit to the vent pipes is 127 cms.

My apologies for this silly slip, John SM 319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Disinfecting water

peter pappas <pjppappas@...>
 

Thanks Gary, Can you give me more information on the charcoal filters that you have enstalled and use. Peter

amelliahona <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Peter Pappas Callisto SM 369 wrote:
" I am traveling in Mexico and disinfect any water that I receive from
domestic sources with ¼ teaspoon of bleach per gallon of water. My
question is should I also be treating the water made with the water
maker. Will chlorinated water affect the membranes if used to back
wash the system?"

YES Peter, even this small amount of chlorine will destroy you water
maker membranes. After disinfecting your water system (sanitizing it
with larger concentrations of liquid chlorine bleach and pumping
it through all the piping except that to the water maker flush system,
you should discard all that water and fill your tanks only with water
that has either been chlorinated and then filtered through a charcoal
filter or water that comes from the watermaker.

Even tiny amounts of chlorine in the flush water will greatly
shorten the life (or promptlly destroy) your membranes. For more
information you can consult the web site for Filmtec (the makers of
the Dessalator water maker membranes). Go to:
www.dow.com/liquidseps/service/lm_clean.htm
There are multiple technical bulletins at this site all related to the
care and feeding of your FilmTec Membranes.

I installed a dedicated charcoal filter in the fresh water flush line
so that there is a final charcoal filter in any water that goes to
flush my membranes. In addition, any water that I fill the tanks
with from the marina is passed through a charcoal filter as well.

Among other things that Dessalator does a poor job of is giving
their customers robust product manuals that cover all of this.

There is a host of material on the Dow site about all aspects of
watermaker service.

Regards, Gary Silver Amel SM2000 Hull # 335






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Re: Disinfecting water

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Peter Pappas Callisto SM 369 wrote:
" I am traveling in Mexico and disinfect any water that I receive from
domestic sources with ¼ teaspoon of bleach per gallon of water. My
question is should I also be treating the water made with the water
maker. Will chlorinated water affect the membranes if used to back
wash the system?"

YES Peter, even this small amount of chlorine will destroy you water
maker membranes. After disinfecting your water system (sanitizing it
with larger concentrations of liquid chlorine bleach and pumping
it through all the piping except that to the water maker flush system,
you should discard all that water and fill your tanks only with water
that has either been chlorinated and then filtered through a charcoal
filter or water that comes from the watermaker.

Even tiny amounts of chlorine in the flush water will greatly
shorten the life (or promptlly destroy) your membranes. For more
information you can consult the web site for Filmtec (the makers of
the Dessalator water maker membranes). Go to:
www.dow.com/liquidseps/service/lm_clean.htm
There are multiple technical bulletins at this site all related to the
care and feeding of your FilmTec Membranes.

I installed a dedicated charcoal filter in the fresh water flush line
so that there is a final charcoal filter in any water that goes to
flush my membranes. In addition, any water that I fill the tanks
with from the marina is passed through a charcoal filter as well.

Among other things that Dessalator does a poor job of is giving
their customers robust product manuals that cover all of this.

There is a host of material on the Dow site about all aspects of
watermaker service.

Regards, Gary Silver Amel SM2000 Hull # 335


Watermaker winterizing

itacknjibe
 

Just to formalize the issue, here is my question and the response
from Dessalator regarding the use of propylene glycol antifreeze in
the unit.
Good winter to all,
Bill and Cathy Nation
Sogno di Mare
SM2K #404


Dear Sir,

We thank you very much for your inquiry.

Of course, you can use propylene glycol.

Please do not forget to empty your flowmeter tube on the control
panel by disconnecting the production hose and blowing into or
injecting air into the hose in freezing conditions (this tube is in
glass, it is medical equipment and very expansive to replace).

We stay at your disposal for any further question.

Looking forward to hearing from you soon,

We remain

Yours faithfully

Secretary Dessalator
Rosyne Castino



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De : Bill Nation [mailto:itacknjibe@yahoo.com]
Envoyé : mardi 17 octobre 2006 17:04
À : contact@dessalator.com
Objet : winterizing


Hello,

I have a 230 V, 160 litre/hr model factory installed in my Amel
sailboat.
Can I use propylene glycol potable antifreeze in my watermaker for
winterizing? It will be sitting for six months in the NE United
States.

Thanks for your help,

Bill Nation


Cockpit locker

John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
 

Hello again Gary,
I have just had a look at my message of yesterday and seen that I gave
you a wrong dimension. The depth of the forward end of the locker from
the cockpit to the vent pipes is 127 cms.

My apologies for this silly slip, John SM 319


Cockpit locker

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohn@...>
 

Hi Gary,
Thanks for your message, I was hoping that one of the other of the many members would give you the dimensions! I have been down to Bali Hai and got the sizes for you. This is much easier on my boat because I scrapped the Amel seat and put in a swivel seat on a pedestal and the seat can be lifted off giving great access to the locker. I did the same thing with the nav seat and when the seat is lifted off it is easy to access the lockers under the chart table.
The clearance into the locker is 51cm and the total depth hull to cockpit is 148cms. The fore and aft measurement from the ply cover to the watermaker parts to the partition in the locker is 100cms but there are two vent pipes for the exhaust hot air from the engine room which are 70 cms from the partition and reduce the depth of the cockpit locker at the forward end to 148 cms. In case it of any help we store stuff in four cheap plastic boxes which are 57x42x35cms high and the lids at 42 cms wide are small enough to go into the locker on the level .
I hope this helps.

Very best wishes, John Sm319


Disinfecting water

pjppappas <pjppappas@...>
 

I am traveling in Mexico and disinfect any water that I receive from
domestic sources with ¼ teaspoon of bleach per gallon of water. My
question is should I also be treating the water made with the water
maker. Will chlorinated water affect the membranes if used to back
wash the system? Thank you Peter Pappas Callisto SM 369