Date   

Dessalator

mcymabm@voila.fr <mcymabm@...>
 

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Dear all,

I would like to thank Ian Shepherd for mentioning my « ABSURD SUGGESTION » concerning DESSALATOR.

On one hand, it is only facts and facts are stubborn: with “good quality” on, you can as well get no water as, far off limits, highly salted water poured in your tank.

On the other hand, I confirm that I received on December 20th 2004 from Patrick WAGNER, Managing Director of the company, a mail explaining that this non functioning design was made deliberately (on purpose).

I can forward it to Ian if he can read French.

I understand that since then other SM owners have reported on this forum that they have unfortunately experienced the same problem, which confirms that it is not only absurd suggestion, but real facts.( If I understand well, Gary Silver, Roy on Excalibur SM #195… ):
The water maker failed to divert bad water and
contaminated our entire water supply.
I fired up the water maker and with the green
light on, and the system producing water I tested the direct output
of the water maker, sure enough the product water was measuring about
9,000 ppm. >

Somebody also confirmed on this forum that he has been told that it is deliberately that this equipment is not connected, to prevent maintenance.

I also met other boats, non AMEL but having DESSALATOR, experiencing the same problem. Wagner confirmed to one of them, in January 2006, that the probe was only there as a mechanical “fuse”: in case of too high pressure in fresh water circuit it would “trip”, being pushed out of its base.

Since this supplier never answered my technical questions, cheats its customers, and also ridiculed all the problems I encountered with my equipment, I consider that this company is not serious at all and with such a way of behaving, only deserves to be pushed out of the market.

As to me, I rather prefer to stick to facts and figures than believe Wagner’s (and British rep) ABSURD “B.S.”. (e.g. 500Hz.)

No hard feelings.

Yves MARTIN d'AIGUEPERSE
Blue Marine
SM N°311


P.S.
1: I already wrote on this forum all the bad experiences I had with this equipment and in particular the 220 v. motor nearly putting fire to my boat because of the inexistent and inadequate original electrical protection of this motor …do not change the circuit breaker for a higher rated one, your motor should not take more. I advise to put a slow blow fuse to prevent from burning in case of blocked rotor….Be carefull!!

2: I just noticed that there are many other unsatisfied people now reporting on this forum.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lightweight RIB

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Dear Anne and John, Thanks a lot for that.I have been quoted a reasonable price cif Montevideo. My only problem now is to get the darn thing out of Uruguay without incurring their inport duty (20%) and VAT (33%!) Ian and Judy, Pen Azen.

From: "John and Anne on Bali Hai" <hollamby@compuserve.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lightweight RIB
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:44:07 -0000

Hello Ian and Judy,
Sorry for my delay in replying but I have been away.
My dinghy is a Southern Pacific Shearwater 310 and it is great. It is
now five years old and looks like new despite the fact that it has
been exposed all that time to the strong Meditteranean sun.Another
plus point is that it has three airchambers which our previous AB did
not and it is therefore much less dangerous when, as happened to us in
the Tuamotus, a shark took a bite out of the fabric the size of my hand.
It is fitted with a Mercury 15hp motor with small hydrofoils on the
skeg and will do 24 knots with only my 100 kgs on board in flat water.
It also finally got up on the plane with three heavy adults and a lot
of shopping in choppy water.
It cost much less than any European RIBs when we bought it and if the
price has not gone up I would expect it to be competitive in price
even including air freight. The lightweight is great for lifting it
out onto deck. We will post a pic of it (in the SM319 album)deflated
on the aft cabin top,later today.
Their website is www.southernpacific.co.nz and their ph/fax no is or
was +64-9-4788075
On short passages with good forecasts it is carried on the Amel davits
which can be seen in the pic of my liferaft carrier in the Bali Hai
album. It is essential to lash it down firmly so that it is not thrown
around in a seaway. On very short passages we sometimes hoist the
dinghy and engine on the davits by using the passurelle halyard
clipped on to the davit at the engine end.On longer passages it is
carried inflated but inverted on top of the aft cabin because I am
mindful of the fact that no long time survival in a liferaft has been
recorded without a dinghy being used at the same time for stores etc.
I also recall the experience of an American family whose yacht was run
down at night in bad weather by a ship. The boy went down with the
boat but the couple and the young daughter found themselves in the sea
with their AB dinghy which popped up to the surface as the yacht
disintegrated.
Sadly the father and daughter perished but the mother survived after
the dinghy was blown ashore in NZ. It seems that the father went into
the water to save the daughter and then was unable to get back into
the dinghy. For this reason it is suggested that it is essential to
have a rope tied to the handles either side of the hull with one or
two knots in the scope so that a person in the water has something to
pull themself into the boat.
The ship was traced in Taiwan and in the subsequent case the widow
accepted undisclosed damages in an agreed settlement. It seems that
she was on watch alone when they were run down and she claimed that it
was her practice to go around the deck every 15 minutes to make sure
all was well! We were within 30 miles of them at the time and with
very strong winds and waves there is no way I would even think about
getting out of the cockpit. The other stupid thing that came up was
that they only used their radar when within 12 miles of the coast.
One of the perils of GPS is that people set a course on their
autopilot connecting two set points which are probably being used by
every other vessel thus ensuring maximum exposure to being rundown.

Sorry not to have replied earlier, Anne and John,SM319









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Furuno 1503 - Enable lower sideband

Judy Rouse
 

Does anyone know the code to enable lower sideband on a Furuno 1503?

Judy Rouse
SM Hull 387


Re: RIB on cabintop

Zanareva
 

I manually moved your photo to your album. Don't know why you aren't
allowed !?!
Richard

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "John and Anne on Bali Hai"
<hollamby@...> wrote:

We have tried to post this pic but for reasons known only to Yahoo
it
has gone into the album of pics entitled Aletes SM 240.We cannot
find
out how to delete it from there and at any event when we were trying
to put it in the SM319 album it told us that we did not have the
right.
We have given up trying!!!

In frustration.....Anne and John SM319


RIB on cabintop

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

We have tried to post this pic but for reasons known only to Yahoo it
has gone into the album of pics entitled Aletes SM 240.We cannot find
out how to delete it from there and at any event when we were trying
to put it in the SM319 album it told us that we did not have the right.
We have given up trying!!!

In frustration.....Anne and John SM319


Re: dryer vented?

r.zurkirchen
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jrjrjrouse2000"
<sailingjudy@...> wrote:

We have a 2003 model Super Maramu 2000, built November 2002. We
strongly suspect that the clothes dryer is not vented correctly.
The
washing function works great, but the dryer leaves the
clothes "steamed" rather than dry. They get too hot to touch, but
still quite moist. Our only conclusion is that the dryer is not
vented correctly.

The manual onboard is simply a users manual, with no description
of
the installation process. Can anyone tell us how this dryer is
supposed to be vented?

Thanks in advance,

Judy & Bill Rouse
S/V Security,
SM2, #387
Hi, I have SM 407 of May 2003 and had last year the same problem.
Amel at Hyeres took the mahine out and got it repaired. It was a
little problem in the elecronics. Since then it works OK again.
Best regards
Rudy
SAMANTHA



Lightweight RIB

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hello Ian and Judy,
Sorry for my delay in replying but I have been away.
My dinghy is a Southern Pacific Shearwater 310 and it is great. It is
now five years old and looks like new despite the fact that it has
been exposed all that time to the strong Meditteranean sun.Another
plus point is that it has three airchambers which our previous AB did
not and it is therefore much less dangerous when, as happened to us in
the Tuamotus, a shark took a bite out of the fabric the size of my hand.
It is fitted with a Mercury 15hp motor with small hydrofoils on the
skeg and will do 24 knots with only my 100 kgs on board in flat water.
It also finally got up on the plane with three heavy adults and a lot
of shopping in choppy water.
It cost much less than any European RIBs when we bought it and if the
price has not gone up I would expect it to be competitive in price
even including air freight. The lightweight is great for lifting it
out onto deck. We will post a pic of it (in the SM319 album)deflated
on the aft cabin top,later today.
Their website is www.southernpacific.co.nz and their ph/fax no is or
was +64-9-4788075
On short passages with good forecasts it is carried on the Amel davits
which can be seen in the pic of my liferaft carrier in the Bali Hai
album. It is essential to lash it down firmly so that it is not thrown
around in a seaway. On very short passages we sometimes hoist the
dinghy and engine on the davits by using the passurelle halyard
clipped on to the davit at the engine end.On longer passages it is
carried inflated but inverted on top of the aft cabin because I am
mindful of the fact that no long time survival in a liferaft has been
recorded without a dinghy being used at the same time for stores etc.
I also recall the experience of an American family whose yacht was run
down at night in bad weather by a ship. The boy went down with the
boat but the couple and the young daughter found themselves in the sea
with their AB dinghy which popped up to the surface as the yacht
disintegrated.
Sadly the father and daughter perished but the mother survived after
the dinghy was blown ashore in NZ. It seems that the father went into
the water to save the daughter and then was unable to get back into
the dinghy. For this reason it is suggested that it is essential to
have a rope tied to the handles either side of the hull with one or
two knots in the scope so that a person in the water has something to
pull themself into the boat.
The ship was traced in Taiwan and in the subsequent case the widow
accepted undisclosed damages in an agreed settlement. It seems that
she was on watch alone when they were run down and she claimed that it
was her practice to go around the deck every 15 minutes to make sure
all was well! We were within 30 miles of them at the time and with
very strong winds and waves there is no way I would even think about
getting out of the cockpit. The other stupid thing that came up was
that they only used their radar when within 12 miles of the coast.
One of the perils of GPS is that people set a course on their
autopilot connecting two set points which are probably being used by
every other vessel thus ensuring maximum exposure to being rundown.

Sorry not to have replied earlier, Anne and John,SM319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] dryer vented?

amelforme
 

The dryer in the SM 2000 is not vented. Heat is created by
evaporation/condensation of fresh water. You will use 20
gallons of water to get your clothes warm but not dry.

The AMEL 54 has a vented dryer but the AMEL 53 does not.

Have fun with your boat.

Joel F. Potter
AMEL 54, Hull #14 "HOLLIS"

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist
Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas
Phone: 1 (954) 462-5869 Fax: 1 (954) 462-3923


dryer vented?

Judy Rouse
 

We have a 2003 model Super Maramu 2000, built November 2002. We
strongly suspect that the clothes dryer is not vented correctly. The
washing function works great, but the dryer leaves the
clothes "steamed" rather than dry. They get too hot to touch, but
still quite moist. Our only conclusion is that the dryer is not
vented correctly.

The manual onboard is simply a users manual, with no description of
the installation process. Can anyone tell us how this dryer is
supposed to be vented?

Thanks in advance,

Judy & Bill Rouse
S/V Security,
SM2, #387


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Preparation for Worldtour

Steve Leeds
 

Hi,
Jimmy Cornell's "World Cruising Routes" would be high on my list. Obviously, you will need cruising guides and charts for every area you will visit. They will be easier to purchase in Europe, the US, Panama, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa. In other places they may be hard or impossible to find. Not so obviously, you will enjoy land tourist guides such as Lonely Planet for places you will visit and sometimes these are impossible to find in the places themselves.

We started using C-Map in Australia and found them to be very useful everywhere and very accurate in places where commercial shipping goes (not so accurate in out of the way places but useful nevertheless). We like it on our computer rather than in a chart plotter for faster refresh rates and ease of manipulation.

You must have backup charts for everyplace. We also find them to be more useful for planning purposes. We store them flat under unused beds. If you sleep on them for a while, they will start to mold.

Steve Leeds
Sharki #121
Circumnavigator's Yacht Service
Fort Lauderdale, Florida USA
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Preparation for Worldtour

r.zurkirchen
 

Hi All,
Within the group are many who have toured the world.
I am preparing myself for this adventure, but I would appreciate if an
expert could answer me following questions:
1. What books (almanac or others) do I have to buy before starting? (
out of Med )
2. Are books for the following steps available on the way?
3. What charts for my Plotter ( C-Map ) shell I buy ?
4. Are charts available on the way ?
5. How to deal with paper charts?

For advises and suggestions, I will be thankful.
In order to not to fill the forum, you may contact me through my
homepage www.sam-yacht.ch
Rudy of SAMANTHA


Used SM 2000 year 2002-2004

rchrdthwaites <richard-thwaites@...>
 

Hi,
We have decided to join the Amel Family and buy a Super Maramu 2000
year 2002-2004.
Does anyone have one for sale or will be putting theirs up for sale in
the near future at a realistic price? We are based in Malta, please
contact me on richard-thwaites@tiscali.co.uk.
Best regards
Richard Thwaites


Re: SSB antennae and Ham licence

Roger Frederiks <rofred@...>
 

Vielen Dank Jochen, for your invaluable feedback. Yes, I'm aware that
the M802 is not type approved in the EU, but as I'll be registering my
boat outside the EU, hopefully that will not be a problem. Your
explanation on why the use of Ham frequencies is so useful is
precisely the reason why I intend to go for that too. Besides, from
what I've been able to gather so far, the maritime frequencies are
getting rather crowded, particularly by people using their Pactor
modems for email via SSB.
I have very little shortwave experience, having had to use SSB once
whilst crossing the North Atlantic by plane on a delivery trip. I
shall definitely do a Ham course here in the UK. Besides, it's another
2 years before I take delivery of my Amel 54!
Thanks for the antenna info. I'd forgotten about a separate one for
DSC. Amel have said they can do the whole installation, including a
high quality grounding system, and I'll probably go for that.
Viel spass

Roger


Re: SSB antennae and Ham licence

Jochen Hofmann <jochen@...>
 

HiRoger,

first of all I think the ICOM IC-M 802 is about the best of units you
can get these days, however, it might be illegal for a non-ham to fit
it - at least in germany it is not approved as a marine SSB (probably
because it is too easy to open it for the ham bands, and ICOM have
come out with a GMDSS equivalent of the 802 now that costs more but
cannot be opened to the ham bands).

In order to use the unit legally you will probably have to take a UK
ham license. Ham licenses are globally in a transition phase right now
since the ITU recommends to put away with Morse exams for SW ham
licenses. Some countries (like germany) have done so already in local
law, some others (like the U.S.) have not. I don't know the present
status in the UK. While the ham license (even without morse) is an
awful lot of learning, if you plan to go serious blue water cruising
it is definitely more than just worth the effort taking it. Just
consider all the cruisernets you'll find all over the world and the
invaluable weather information you can receive (and provide) in them.
Sailing ham associations like (www.)Intermar(-ev.de) really help you
stay connected to the world and keep your acquaintances ashore
up-to-date as far as your whereabouts and your well-being are
concerned. BTW, I myself only took my exam in lat 2004 and I am a
complete beginner.

On our Maramu #143 Blue Song we have installed an IC-M 802 and we are
using insulated backstays (one for TX/RX and one for DSC RX - yes
you'll need two antennas if you want to make use of the full DSC
capabilities of the unit).

You will find about as many people who'll tell you the whip is better
as you will find people saying the backstay is better. In the end it
probably all depends on the quality of the installation and IN THE
QUALITY OF THE GROUNDING (see the ICOM manual). We are happy with the
backstay so far, but we've only been cruising in the med so far - will
see what it's like on the long passages (hopefully) coming up for us
this winter and thereafter.

Fair winds

Jochen Hofmann, DM2JH, Maramu #143 Blue Song


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] U-drive oil

Judy Rouse
 

Thanks for the reply, Ian and Judy. We did use the 15W40 because
that was all we could locate near the boatyard. We also did replace
the hard interior seal on the bowthruster when we replaced the foam
seals. None of these seals had been replaced prior to our recent
work; and this boat was built November 2002, so we thought the seals
had held up well. Just routine maintenance. We have sailed over
500 miles since replacing these seals, without a drop of water
leaking into the forward bilge.

Judy & Bill Rouse
S/V Security, SM2 #387
currently lying Bequia enroute to Grenada

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian & Judy Jenkins"
<ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hi Judy, When we bought Pen Azen new we were told 15W40 and it
seems to have
worked happily ever since. Incidentally, as well as the two
external and
one internal soft foam rings to be replaced on the bowthruster you
can also
replace the hard seal which sits inside the boat . Once the
shaft is out
of the boat you have to work at it with your fingers till it
allows itself
to be prized loose but a good hard push down will relocate the new
one.
Fair winds, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Uruguay


SSB antennae and Ham licence

Roger Frederiks <rofred@...>
 

Dear all, I'm most probably going to be fitting an Icom M802 SSB,
enabled for the Ham frequencies. SSB is fairly new to me so I wonder
if some of you seasoned adventurers could give me some advice on the
following.
First of all, Amel tells me most owners go for a long whip antenna
mounted near the pushpit. Is this the prefered method or do some go
for an insulated back stay or even the triadic stay? Or perhaps a
combination of both? I have read that some Amel owners have an antenna
relay switch fitted in order to use the whip antenna for TX and the
triadic stay for RX. What would be your advice concerning best
performance for transmitting and receiving?
Secondly, what kind of licence would I require in order to be legal
when using the Ham frequencies? I shall get the Long Range Certificate
in order to be able to use the official Maritime bands but I'm
confused as to what amateur licence allows me to also use the Ham
bands. I'm not sure yet what port of registry I shall be using, but
most probably either Jersey or Gibraltar. Therefore I assume my course
of action will be to sit the UK based exams?
Many thanks.

Roger Frederiks


Re: Diving compressors, tenders and davits

Roger Frederiks <rofred@...>
 

Erick, merci pour vos conseils. Je contacterai Bauer France quand Amel
commence avec la construction de mon bateau en 2008. However, for the
benefit of all the English speakers here, perhaps better if we adhere
to this forum's lingua franca. I merely wished to point out that I'm
quite happy communicating in French, and, in fact, I use this method
when talking to Amel in La Rochelle.
Safe diving and fair winds.

Roger Frederiks


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "G D" <maramu@...> wrote:

Bonjour Roger
Le contact que j'avais chez Bauer est
Nathalie Pechoux Tel. +33 479 88 71 69
npechoux@...

Pour information le tuyau haute pression de remplissage doit mesurer
environ
1m. Je cale les bouteilles contre le siege du barreur quand je fais un
remplissage.
Attention de bien preciser � la commande le type de robineterie des
bouteilles DIN ou autre.
Cordialement

Erick MEJEAN


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Charter an Amel SM-2000 in Greece

george bauer <georgex12003@...>
 

Could you pls send me your tel number as I am
interested for this summer. Many thanks

carl bauer
+44 7767 291 048
--- Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@otenet.gr> wrote:


---------------------------------

As I have recently sold all my other business
interests in Greece, I wish to
advise all of you that you can Charter ALMA LIBRE
SM-2000 ( 2002 Model) in
Greece. I believe that this a good opportunity to
charter the boat in Greece
for sailing in the Aegean Sea which is a sailing
paradise.

More information at
www.almalibre.gr/chartering/index.htm . All the
details
and inventory of the boat are at the website
www.almalibre.gr I will be
glad to welcome you onboard and please refer this also
to your friends that
wish to charter a well found boat in this part of the
world.

Regards

Dimitris Krassopoulos
dkra@almalibre.gr





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