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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oxidation of rub rail

stargazer41amel <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Ian,

The 303 product is clear and would not be a problem as far as
the "grain" goes. But I doubt I would use on the faux teak decks as
it might be slippery. It would effectively prevent the fading that
is experienced on the Amel boats but I fear it would be a liability
under foot. You may want to go to the web site ...
www.303products.com and ask them about their product on the deck.

I am going to look into your product recommendation.

Do I understand from your emails that you singlehand your Amel? If
so, how long have you been doing so?

Delores
s/v Stargazer


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Shepherd" <g4ljf@c...>
wrote:
Hi Delores,

thanks for this good tip. I have also found a marvelous product
that keeps all gel coat in show room condition as well as making
smoke removal a cinch. It's called Mer, and I believe it is of German
origin. I bought mine at the Southampton Boat Show. It been around
for a while. It's very easy to apply and polishes off easily too. I
did the whole boat in a few hours by myself one sunny day in Kinsale.

I guess your protectant might work wonders on the faux teak? Is it
a clear liquid, or a white polish that might be difficult to wipe out
of the 'grain' on the desks?

Best Wishes

Ian Shepherd

"Crusader"


Double berths

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Dear Anne and John, I am interested to see your cockpit chair pictures , but being somewhat of a novice on a computerI am struggling to find them---what do I do to download them?
You have my sympathies on the double berth in the aft cabin. We solved our problem in another way ( and am I right in thinking that from 2000 on the SM has more room fore and aft on the aft bed ?)
We opted for the vanity table in the aft cabin ( not sure we would do so again, as it merely becomes another shelf with less efficient storage underneath). However, we asked Amel to put a chock between the double berth and that part of the berth which is aft of the vanity unit. The Port side of the chiock is about 12 " longer than than the starboard side , and at their suggestion the matress is in only two parts.This gives us a huge double berth athwartships at very little ( possibly no extra?) cost and we keep the easy access to all underberth lockers.
Ian, One solution to the noise of the Autohelm in the aft berth is to fit a second , rotary, drive with a changeover switch.Redundancy, plus a good nights sleep.
With just two of us we favour either the aft cabin, in light airs , or the berth above the batteries. However, we have belatedly discovered that the pilot berth in the saloon is much better than expected ( though some means needs to be discovered of stopping the outboard, aft, end of the wooden base from grinding on its supporting shelf), and , much to our surprise, the berths in the forecabin can be very comfortable off the wind ( we have hitherto reserved them for the crew we never sail with...)
Sweet dreams, Ian and Judy. Pen Azen

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
 

Dear Ian,
How do you rig the poles when they are not deployed.
what do you do besides using the hook on the end of the pole?
Fair winds,
Eric
SM 376 kimberlite

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Shepherd [mailto:g4ljf@compuserve.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Hi Again,

I always keep the poles rigged when under way. You are right, they do
offer a lot of security when folded. When single handed, you just cannot
go overboard, and they bridge the gap between the fore guy and the
dodger hand hold very well.

I too had a pole fold in mid Atlantic on the previous boat. It did not
damage the rub rail, but it did break the rivets. Luckily I did have
spare large rivets and a gun that would form them, and I was able to
make repairs very quickly. Had I not, it would have made a grim
crossing.

Another point to consider is the sideways load on the mast when a single
pole is deployed. In can be considerable, particularly in gusts or when
the pole strikes the water. It might be prudent to rig both poles to
offset the sideways load for peace of mind. Unfortunately, the genoa
sheets as supplied by Amel are too short to do this unless you furl the
headsail a bit. I replaced my sheets with a longer set (158-160 feet
long if I remember correctly. 10 ft more per side). This will enable
both poles to be deployed at the same time. It also makes gybing down a
zig zag course very straight forward!

The idea of using the forward cleat to reduce fore guy stretch is
interesting. I must try that. Thanks for the tip.

Ian Shepherd

"Crusader"








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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Again,

I always keep the poles rigged when under way. You are right, they do offer a lot of security when folded. When single handed, you just cannot go overboard, and they bridge the gap between the fore guy and the dodger hand hold very well.

I too had a pole fold in mid Atlantic on the previous boat. It did not damage the rub rail, but it did break the rivets. Luckily I did have spare large rivets and a gun that would form them, and I was able to make repairs very quickly. Had I not, it would have made a grim crossing.

Another point to consider is the sideways load on the mast when a single pole is deployed. In can be considerable, particularly in gusts or when the pole strikes the water. It might be prudent to rig both poles to offset the sideways load for peace of mind. Unfortunately, the genoa sheets as supplied by Amel are too short to do this unless you furl the headsail a bit. I replaced my sheets with a longer set (158-160 feet long if I remember correctly. 10 ft more per side). This will enable both poles to be deployed at the same time. It also makes gybing down a zig zag course very straight forward!

The idea of using the forward cleat to reduce fore guy stretch is interesting. I must try that. Thanks for the tip.

Ian Shepherd

"Crusader"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Stephan,

interesting to read that you too get wet sails when stowed up front. When I arrived in Greenland after a lively crossing from Ireland, I found several inches of water in the forward lockers. I just do not believe that those thin walled seals that crush too easily and which have folds in the corners are man enough for the job. They may keep the rain out, but when the bow buries itself into a wave, they just cannot cope. I have removed the bung in the port side locker to minimize the problem, though this will comprise flotation, though with the seals as they are, I wonder how much real buoyancy there would be if the bow was submerged?

I have emailed Amel and suggested that a firmer molded seal is needed on the bow lockers, and the safety locker too, but so far, no response. If anyone has found a solution to this problem, then please let us know.

Fortunately, the colours on the new ballooner and staysail do not seem to run when wet like they did with the previous boat. Putting a grate in each locker would at least keep the stowed items out of the water that sloshes about.

Ian Shepherd

SM 2000 # 414 "Crusader"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bali Hai SM319 A good nights sleep

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Dear Anne and John,

Thank you for the further info on the aft cabin storage. I did not realize that one of the bunks in the aft cabin can be converted into a double, (like the fore cabin I suspect), as both my boats have been made with the fixed double layout.

As a live aboard most of the time, space is always at a premium, even on an Amel. I discarded many other makes of yachts due to lack of storage space. When I sold my first SM 2000 after two and a quarter years, I was astounded at just how much junk I had collected in such a short time. It would never have squeezed into many boats on the market.

I use the space under the fixed double for spare duvets, towels, sheets etc and my first boat had a secure locker built in there too. Congratulations on your ingenious conversion. To be able to put everything back to manufacturers specification is mostly a bonus when it comes to selling.

I must admit that I have never been able to sleep in the aft cabin underway. The noise from the autopilot linear ram is just too irritating. It would be great if there was room enough to use some engine room sound insulation around that area. Sailing mostly single handed, I close the aft bulkhead door and use the companion way berth where it is much quieter and I can be woken by the radar alarm should an intruder come too close. I have an Autohelm remote control clipped to the wall by the bunk to deal with any alarms and to keep an eye on progress and wind conditions should something feel not right, and also a hand held VHF so that I can switch the main VHF off when sleeping. The handheld on Ch 16 will pick up someone close enough who may wish to communicate without being woken by far off traffic. I can also look around the bulkhead at my laptop which I angle towards the bunk. The Nobeltec display is easily seen, though I am considering installing a mirror so that I can view the laptop and the radar without cricking my neck!

Fair Winds

Ian

"Crusader"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Oxidation of rub rail

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Delores,

thanks for this good tip. I have also found a marvelous product that keeps all gel coat in show room condition as well as making smoke removal a cinch. It's called Mer, and I believe it is of German origin. I bought mine at the Southampton Boat Show. It been around for a while. It's very easy to apply and polishes off easily too. I did the whole boat in a few hours by myself one sunny day in Kinsale.

I guess your protectant might work wonders on the faux teak? Is it a clear liquid, or a white polish that might be difficult to wipe out of the 'grain' on the desks?

Best Wishes

Ian Shepherd

"Crusader"


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
 

Dear Stephan,
Thanks for the note. A friend of mine on another Amel was thinking pf
ordering shorter poles just to prevent them from dipping.

My boat is currently in St Thomas.
I have been toying with the idea of a trip around the horn, but I have
to do my homework first.

I found that a gennaker was very handy sail for the trade winds. The
wind comes from a direction that does not lend itself to using the pole
setup. We had our gennaker up for 6 or 7 days while crossing the
Atlantic both day and night. We had an atn sock on it and it allowed us
to douse the sail quickly if needed. We use that sail a lot. It is big
enough to pull the boat without any other sails up. It is made of 1
½-ounce material and can be flown up to 25 knots apparent.
Fair winds,
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Eric,

I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out
in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap
while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped
in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it
results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat
(chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like
an accidental jibe.

Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather
deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat
just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the
line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus
reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try
this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll
worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the
pole.

We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it
makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast.
Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy
weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out.

We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on
business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We
spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med,
Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West
Africa.

Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn?

Stephan


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...>
wrote:
I forgot to ask-where are you located?
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@o...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Dear Stephan,
I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome.
Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail
locker. It gets a little wet up there.
I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa.
The
foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,
Fair winds,
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Eric,

We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are
happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the
sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have
to
reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we
have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever
point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note
on
the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first
think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail
in
heavy weather.

Stephan ("Delos" SMM303)


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the
horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots.
thnaks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Geoffrey Tyers <geoffrey_tyers@...>
 

While delivering my recently aquired Sharki from
Florida to Charleston the main sail, 50% reefed in a
I35-40 kt squall was ripped and shredded. This came as
a surprise as the Surveyor had prononced the sail to
be in good condition.
I mention this to restate the need for U.V. protection
not only on the head sail but also on the leech of
both the Main and Mizzen. Upon investigation it was
determined that the wide throat in the mast allows the
sun to weaken that part of the sail exposed and whilst
the bulk of the sail is protected the leach is slowly
being rotted away. In my case the leach ripped and the
strong winds took over from this weakness. The bright
side is I now have a wonderfull new main for less than
2 "boat units". They even installed the logo
--- Philippe Guyot <baligand@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello Eric & Stephan,

Very interesting
discussion.Could Eric let
me know what a foam luff is. I also added an UV
protection to the genoa but
it seems that the added weight make the luff vibrate
a lot in 25 Knots + and
inascapabily so when reefed. But I must admit this
was already the case
before only it took higher wind. No amount of fine
tuning the sail has
helped alleviate the problem. Have you experienced
the same problem and
found solutions.

We are currently at
Fort Lauderdale and will
be headed for Central America and Panama.

Philippe Guyot
Baligand SM 245
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the
horn


Eric,

I forgot to add something you may already know about
being poled out
in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa
down to a scrap
while still poled out, there is the danger that pole
will get dipped
in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me
twice and it
results in the pole being thrown violently back
alongside the boat
(chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent
motion is a like
an accidental jibe.

Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter
as weather
deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line)
on the cleat
just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces
the length of the
line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of
stretch thus
reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back.
I have yet to try
this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the
pole and if roll
worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the
genoa without the
pole.

We like having the pole attached but alongside in
bad weather as it
makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to
the mast.
Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his
poles in heavy
weather for just this purpose, whether or not he
intended to pole out.

We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am
in Amsterdam on
business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to
St. Vincent. We
spent the last three plus years since buying Delos
in the Med,
Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands
and some of West
Africa.

Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn?

Stephan


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite
<kimberlt@o...>
wrote:
I forgot to ask-where are you located?
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@o...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around
the horn

Dear Stephan,
I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a
little cumbersome.
Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker
instead of the sail
locker. It gets a little wet up there.
I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV
protection to my genoa.
The
foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is
furled,
Fair winds,
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the
horn

Eric,

We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions.
Upwind, we are
happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little
mizzen to balance the
sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these
conditions you will have
to
reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good.
Off the wind, we
have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa
reefed to whatever
point it takes to keep boat speed in control.
Both work. A note
on
the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up
when you first
think about it. It is a little uncomfortable
attaching this sail
in
heavy weather.

Stephan ("Delos" SMM303)


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com,
kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the
trip around the
horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind
get above 45 knots.
thnaks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
 

Dear Philippe,
The foam luff is simply that. The sailmaker sews foam into the luff of
the sail. This allows the sail to be furled with a better shape.
I had it done by Doyle Sailmakers. There is a Doyle loft in Ft.
Lauderdale.
Fair winds,
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Guyot [mailto:baligand@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 3:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Hello Eric & Stephan,

Very interesting discussion.Could Eric
let
me know what a foam luff is. I also added an UV protection to the genoa
but
it seems that the added weight make the luff vibrate a lot in 25 Knots +
and
inascapabily so when reefed. But I must admit this was already the case
before only it took higher wind. No amount of fine tuning the sail has
helped alleviate the problem. Have you experienced the same problem and
found solutions.

We are currently at Fort Lauderdale and
will
be headed for Central America and Panama.

Philippe Guyot
Baligand SM 245
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn


Eric,

I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out
in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap
while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped
in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it
results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat
(chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like
an accidental jibe.

Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather
deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat
just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the
line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus
reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try
this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll
worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the
pole.

We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it
makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast.
Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy
weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out.

We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on
business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We
spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med,
Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West
Africa.

Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn?

Stephan


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...>
wrote:
I forgot to ask-where are you located?
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@o...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Dear Stephan,
I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome.
Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail
locker. It gets a little wet up there.
I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa.
The
foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,
Fair winds,
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Eric,

We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are
happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the
sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have
to
reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we
have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever
point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note
on
the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first
think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail
in
heavy weather.

Stephan ("Delos" SMM303)


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the
horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots.
thnaks
eric
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Philippe Guyot <baligand@...>
 

Hello Eric & Stephan,

Very interesting discussion.Could Eric let
me know what a foam luff is. I also added an UV protection to the genoa but
it seems that the added weight make the luff vibrate a lot in 25 Knots + and
inascapabily so when reefed. But I must admit this was already the case
before only it took higher wind. No amount of fine tuning the sail has
helped alleviate the problem. Have you experienced the same problem and
found solutions.

We are currently at Fort Lauderdale and will
be headed for Central America and Panama.

Philippe Guyot
Baligand SM 245

----- Original Message -----
From: Stephan Regulinski <stephreg@yahoo.com>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn


Eric,

I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out
in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap
while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped
in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it
results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat
(chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like
an accidental jibe.

Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather
deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat
just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the
line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus
reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try
this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll
worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the
pole.

We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it
makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast.
Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy
weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out.

We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on
business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We
spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med,
Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West
Africa.

Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn?

Stephan


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...>
wrote:
I forgot to ask-where are you located?
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@o...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Dear Stephan,
I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome.
Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail
locker. It gets a little wet up there.
I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa.
The
foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,
Fair winds,
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Eric,

We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are
happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the
sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have
to
reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we
have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever
point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note
on
the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first
think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail
in
heavy weather.

Stephan ("Delos" SMM303)


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the
horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots.
thnaks
eric
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Stephan Regulinski
 

Eric,

I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out
in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap
while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped
in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it
results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat
(chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like
an accidental jibe.

Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather
deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat
just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the
line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus
reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try
this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll
worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the
pole.

We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it
makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast.
Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy
weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out.

We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on
business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We
spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med,
Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West
Africa.

Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn?

Stephan


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...>
wrote:
I forgot to ask-where are you located?
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@o...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Dear Stephan,
I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome.
Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail
locker. It gets a little wet up there.
I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa.
The
foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,
Fair winds,
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Eric,

We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are
happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the
sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have
to
reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we
have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever
point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note
on
the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first
think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail
in
heavy weather.

Stephan ("Delos" SMM303)


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the
horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots.
thnaks
eric
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Stephan Regulinski
 

Eric,

I forgot to add something you may already know about being poled out
in heavy weather. Although you can reef the genoa down to a scrap
while still poled out, there is the danger that pole will get dipped
in the ocean as you role. This has happened to me twice and it
results in the pole being thrown violently back alongside the boat
(chipping the gelcoat on the rub rail). The violent motion is a like
an accidental jibe.

Amel says that you can raise the pole about a meter as weather
deteriates and can cleat the foreguy (the blue line) on the cleat
just aft of the Lewmar turning block. This reduces the length of the
line from pole to cleat and therefore the length of stretch thus
reducing the chance of the pole being thrown back. I have yet to try
this second idea. Our procedure now is to raise the pole and if roll
worsens, bring the pole to the rail and fly the genoa without the
pole.

We like having the pole attached but alongside in bad weather as it
makes a heavy-duty hand rail if you need to go up to the mast.
Another Amel owner told me that he would attach his poles in heavy
weather for just this purpose, whether or not he intended to pole out.

We just sailed from The Gambia to Cape Verdes. I am in Amsterdam on
business and when I return, we cross the Atlantic to St. Vincent. We
spent the last three plus years since buying Delos in the Med,
Atlantic cost of Europe, various Atlantic islands and some of West
Africa.

Where are you now? Are you headed for the horn?

Stephan


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlt@o...>
wrote:
I forgot to ask-where are you located?
Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@o...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Dear Stephan,
I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome.
Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail
locker. It gets a little wet up there.
I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa.
The
foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,
Fair winds,
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Eric,

We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are
happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the
sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have
to
reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we
have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever
point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note
on
the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first
think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail
in
heavy weather.

Stephan ("Delos" SMM303)


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the
horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots.
thnaks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
 

I forgot to ask-where are you located?
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:03 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Dear Stephan,
I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome.
Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail
locker. It gets a little wet up there.
I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa. The
foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,
Fair winds,
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Eric,

We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are
happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the
sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to
reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we
have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever
point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on
the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first
think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in
heavy weather.

Stephan ("Delos" SMM303)


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots.
thnaks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

kimberlite <kimberlt@...>
 

Dear Stephan,
I have the ATN sail and as you mentioned it is a little cumbersome.
Next time I will keep it in the cockpit locker instead of the sail
locker. It gets a little wet up there.
I had my sailmaker add a foam luff and UV protection to my genoa. The
foam luff makes a big difference when the sail is furled,
Fair winds,
Eric SM 376 Kimberlite.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephan Regulinski [mailto:stephreg@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trip around the horn

Eric,

We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are
happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the
sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to
reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we
have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever
point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on
the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first
think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in
heavy weather.

Stephan ("Delos" SMM303)


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots.
thnaks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite




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Re: trip around the horn

Stephan Regulinski
 

Eric,

We have been in 45+ winds on several occasions. Upwind, we are
happiest with our ATN storm jib plus a little mizzen to balance the
sail plan. If you use the Genoa in these conditions you will have to
reef pretty deep and the sail shape not so good. Off the wind, we
have used the ATN and at other times, the genoa reefed to whatever
point it takes to keep boat speed in control. Both work. A note on
the ATN storm gib. Like reefing, put this sail up when you first
think about it. It is a little uncomfortable attaching this sail in
heavy weather.

Stephan ("Delos" SMM303)


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite1212
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
Does anyone know of an amel that has made the trip around the horn?
secondly what do you do on a s/m when the wind get above 45 knots.
thnaks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite


Oxidation of rub rail

stargazer41amel <no_reply@...>
 

After owning our Sharki for 8 years now, we have finally found a
product that stops the oxidation of our rub rail. 303 Products makes
an item called 303 Aerospace Protectant. The best I can say is WOW!
Check out their website www.303products.com and learn all about their
line.

Delores Carter


Bali Hai SM319 A good nights sleep

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Dear Ian,
All the storage on the port side is now full of the clip on parts
for the Amel Double bunk.The drawer on the starboard side is not
easy to get at but we use the open locker behind it for shoes.All
the original storage is easily accessed by tilting the whole bed as
in one of the pics. I suppose that one could store a lot of stuff
that is not used often in the spaces behind the head and foot rests.
There is a space under the bed about 90x80x38cms and we slide the
odd box or two into there.
I had forgotten to mention the finishing touch to the bed. We got a
board about 12cms wide and 2mtrs long and padded one side of it with
some upholstery fibre and covered it with some of the fabric from
the original cushions stapled on to the blind side. We then drilled
three or four holes in the exposed side of the bed base and screwed
the padded board on through these holes.
The whole job is no big deal and does not require much skill, an
easy DIY project. It does help to have a jig saw to cut the curved
sections of plywood !
The whole thing could easily be removed to revert to the original
configuration if anyone wanted to as there would be no visible marks
apart from the butchered cushion.

Regards, Anne and John


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM319 A good nights sleep

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi John & Anne,

thanks for all the good ideas. I have one query concerning the aft cabin bed modification. I don't know whether the single berths layout has storage under each bunk, but my double certainly does. I would miss this very useful space if it were to be made inaccessible by the new bed slats. Did you find a solution to this potential problem?

Pleasant Dreams

Ian Shepherd

"Crusader: SM2000 #414


SM319 A good nights sleep

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

My wife and I are both about 6'1"or1.87m. We nearly did not buy an
Amel because of the bunks in the aft cabin.We settled for the
standard design (without the dressing table).Our solution was to buy
a queen size bed base with two sets of wooden slats and 2 Dunlopillo
type rubber foam mattresses and make them fit it across the cabin.It
turned out to be quite easy to do and is a huge improvement. The
shop was a bit surprised when we asked them to deliver the base in
pieces but fitting in a base 2.0m x1.55m through the aft hatch was
too difficult!
The frame was roughly assembled in the cabin to see what surgery was
needed.The position of the saw cuts was obvious after allowing for
each cut section to be long enough to accept the slats and their
mounts.The pieces were put in place on the original bed base on top
of a sheet of brown paper which was marked up to provide a template
to cut suitably shaped pieces of 18mm ply to fix the cut pieces to
so that once again we had a bed frame but now tailored to fit the
space available.
Offcuts of the ply were used to lift up the frame sections that were
not already lifted by the jury frame.
This left spaces either end of the bed frame and so we used bits of
wood cut to size, at 30mm centres, to go from the sides of the frame
up to the hidden side of the front bottom of the lockers and roughly
secured these with pieces of wood notched to receive the
uprights.These pieces were screwed up to the under side of the
lockers.
We then got a piece of hard board and cut it to be just too long
length and heightwise to fill the vertical gaps at the head and foot
of the bed frame. We then cut these bits of hardboard across the
middle from end to end and fixed what was to become the top half to
the top part of the struts tucking it in behind the bottom of the
lockers.Then put the other half in place below it and make a pencil
line along the top of it. Remove the top piece and cut off the
marked strip and refix having sorted out the length.
The surprising thing is that the original long back cushion will
now fit in around the new bed.All that remains to be done is to cut
up the original mattress and its cover to make cushions to fit the
gaps between the head and foot of the new bunk and the forward
bulkhead.We only made these single thickness. They would have been
better double thickness to bring them up to the level of the top of
the mattresses.
If it is ever necessary to fit the emergency tiller it is easy to
split the mattresses and remove one set of slats to give access.
Similarly the new frame is easily tilted up and propped with the
boat hook to access the rudder quadrant etc..
The new bunk works very well and,of course,when the boat is heeled
one person can sleep comfortably lying fore and aft.

Regards to all from Anne and John on Bali Hai in Malta.