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Re: Upper C-Drive oil leak

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Eamonn,
    Glad you found the leak.  Yes, the 60-90-10 is a generic rotary shaft seal (aka lip seal), any brand is fine like SKF, Parker Hannefin, etc. and no, no special features are needed (ie., a stainless steel garter spring is not needed). You can get either a single lip or a double lip if that's all they've got (the 2nd lip is just a dirt barrier and can't hurt, but is not needed here). 
This can most certainly be done in the water. 
    You may not have much success with the vacuum oil pump, other then emptying the reservoir, which you can do, perhaps more easily, by removing the reservoir's bottom hose from the C-drive's housing and draining the oil into a container. There will still be some dripping when you remove the old seal so just bunch some rags below it.
    Hope I didn't put you off with talk of hand sledge and chisels-as-wedges - this is really a pretty easy job. You might want to see if it's in your DIY comfort zone by loosening the bolts on your Vetus coupling and seeing if the coupling is free to slide a fraction fore-and-aft on the C-drive shaft. That's half the battle. If it's free, then loosen the metal retaining ring that sits outside of the lip seal - it's got a small bolt clamping it to the shaft.  If that wiggles free you're good to go. If those are frozen, maybe go ahead with your mechanic.
    "Scooting" the engine back is just removing the four engine mounting bolts - no need to remove shift, throttle, fuel, water, or air connections - just four bolts. You'll want to use long extensions on your socket wrench and an "old man" extension pipe for the ratchet handle to give more leverage.
    Then run a stout line between you primaries and through the engine's lifting ring, apply some tension to unweight the engine (don't pick it up - just unweight it), "scoot" it back and ... Bob's your Uncle.
The whole project should take 3 hours and 47 minutes. 😜
Good luck with it!
Craig SN68 Sangaris

Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

tony wells
 

Hi Theo

We’ve acted on Bill’s recommendation to lift out in Malta this winter. 

We’ve been in Preveza, Greece for 2 winters (latterly with the Amel). We were in Cleopatra Marina which is highly organised but in my experience can be a little ‘officious’ about who works on your boat. You may find Ionion (sic) Marina next door is a little more relaxed. In my opinion, they’re both good value at approx €3k. Aktio is the third Marina there - reputedly more relaxed in every way. The Greek tepai tax won’t be payable while you’re ashore (but you’ll pay for a month at c€100 on entry no matter if it’s just a few days before lift, plus an annual Dekpa at €50)

Malta is a little more expensive at circa €4K but I’m seeking a better choice of consistent quality in engineering, electronic and rigging skills for several winter projects. And direct winter flights are helpful. 

We had an offer from Marina di Ragusa at €2,700 and would probably like to spend a winter afloat there in the future. 

There are plenty of Amel owners who’ve experienced all of the above and will have great first hand knowledge. 

Wishing you well with your decision making and I suggest you might want to move very quickly - certainly the Greek marinas may tell you’re they’re largely booked (I’m at Kalamata right now, which could be an excellent choice but my neighbours just told me there’s currently no winter space - but things are often ‘fluid’ in this part of the world). If you end up in Preveza please ask me for engineer recommendations - I’ve good and bad experiences to share privately if that’s helpful. 

Best,

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar
Kalamata, Southern Peloponnese, Greece

On 17 Aug 2019, at 17:08, Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Paul Brown
 


Hi Theo, I can recommend Capo de Orlando or marina Di Ragusa north and south Sicily 

Regards Paul - Fortuna II 55#17



On 17 Aug 2019, at 4:08 pm, Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

 

Theo,

I really like Manoel Island Yacht Yard in Malta, which is about 50 miles south of Sicily. It is one of 2 yards that I recommend...the other is Carenantilles in Martinique in the caribbean. 

There are many advantages at Manoel Island including: security, great value, excellent craftsmen and many specialty shops like woodworking, metal, safety, etc. You will not regret it.

Contact: Andrew Wilson <AWilson@...>
General Email: info@... Phone: (+356) 2133 4453/4 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 9:08 AM Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Theo s/v Paloma
 

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Upper C-Drive oil leak

Eamonn Washington
 

Many thanks for all the hints and suggestions. The oil leak is slower than I had said; about a fifth of the oil between the Max and Min mark leaked and it drips a drop every 3 or 4 hours when the engine is off.  I identified the source of the leak as being between the part (coupling?) that you can rotate by hand when in neutral between the reverse gearbox and the C-drive, right against the C-drive.

Craig, it does sound like the upper seal.  If so I would need a mechanic as scooting the engine back a bit is beyond my capabilities.  Can this be done with the boat in the water?  (I do have a vacuum oil pump.)  Will any “60-90-10 single lip rotary shaft seal” do, or are there additional requirements when ordering it?

This year, my fifth of SM ownership, has had more things go wrong than previous years despite a fairly full preventative maintenance program.  8 pumps failed or required major service since April, as well as a major generator failure.  I do sometimes ask myself, when will it all end?

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Calasetta, Sardinia, Italy.

Re: Upper C-Drive oil leak

Eamonn Washington
 

Many thanks for all of the suggestions and hints.  The oil leaks slower than I said and a drip every 4 hours or so also comes out when the engine is off.  The total leak in 10 days is about a fifth of the way between the Max and Min marks in the reservoir.  I identified the source of the leak: it is the junction of the part (coupling?) that you can rotate by hand when in neutral between the reverse gearbox and the upper C-drive, right against the C-drive. 

Craig, it sounds like this is the upper shaft seal you mentioned.  The procedure you described (scoot the engine back a bit) is beyond my capabilities, so I will have to get a mechanic.  Can the procedure be done with the boat in the water?  (I have a vacuum pump to suck the oil out.). Is the 60-90-10 seal easy to find? Any additional specifications for it (temperature etc)?  It would have been cheaper to install a rope cutter....

I really appreciate all the help.  This year the maintenance time has been high.  I had 8 pumps fail, needing replacing or servicing, and 2 major problems with the generator, as well as preparing the boat for my first Ocean crossing ever (Atlantic early December), so I have been very busy ... like the rest of you I guess.

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Calasetta, Sardinia, Italy.

Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, water maker?

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Craig and Matt, thanks for your input. 
I was wrong because I usually keep the boat in water over winter and so I was wondering how you can feed a hole below he waterline ;-) 
Cheers Ruedi
  

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Right, Matt, I should have addressed it to Ruedi, I guess.
Craig
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 08:26 AM, Matt Salatino wrote:
Thanks,
I understand the issue, but since we’re getting a 50, I didn’t know the locations of the speed paddle wheel, or the depth transducer. I was just repeating what another owner posted a few weeks earlier.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 16, 2019, at 4:32 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Matt,
They are talking about your knot meter transducer where it goes through the hull bottom. Don't know if you have a paddlewheel style, but that's the bit. Remove the paddlewheel, like you would do to clean it and stick the humidifier drain hose through the hole. Wrap it in cloth to keep bugs out. If you have a sonic speed, then your won't have a thru-hull fitting, but you can pull out your depth sounder transducer instead and use that thru-hull hole.
Craig SN68 Sangaris

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 06:51 PM, Matt Salatino wrote:
I wish I knew. 
Help, somebody!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 15, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Excuse my ingorance, but can you tell me where the "knot meter sensor hole is"?
I have no Idea? Maybe I think just on the wrong end?
Regards
Ruedi
Wasabi
A54#55


On 12 Aug 2019, at 23:48, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Someone previously posted a great idea. Drain the dehumidifier out the removed knot meter sensor hole. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:16 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Miles, ok that pump might be the way to go.  I have also just ordered a couple of 160W tube heaters which I intend to run over winter. One in the engine room and one in the galley.
High tech incandescent lamps!

Also considering a dehumidifier, but need to find somewhere to drain the fluid. Back home in Sydney I use one in another boat (because of wet racing sails, not cold damp weather) and it drains down the galley sink.
However on the Amel it seems a bit crazy to put the fluid into the bilge, then have to rely on the bulge pump!

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154
Anchored off Jura, Scotland

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 Right - I should have addresed it to Ruedi, I guess.

Re: Morse MT3 manual?

Mark McGovern
 

Here's a link to a copy of an MT3 Manual circa 1990:  https://www.freewebs.com/svkarenm/MORSE_engine_control_mt-3.pdf

For future reference, it helps other members help you if you add your model and hull # in your signature.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Morse MT3 manual?

George Green
 

Does anyone have an online copy of an MT3 manual for this throttle assembly fitted on many Amels?

Many thanks
George

Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, water maker?

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Right, Matt, I should have addressed it to Ruedi, I guess.
Craig
On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 08:26 AM, Matt Salatino wrote:
Thanks,
I understand the issue, but since we’re getting a 50, I didn’t know the locations of the speed paddle wheel, or the depth transducer. I was just repeating what another owner posted a few weeks earlier.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 16, 2019, at 4:32 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Matt,
They are talking about your knot meter transducer where it goes through the hull bottom. Don't know if you have a paddlewheel style, but that's the bit. Remove the paddlewheel, like you would do to clean it and stick the humidifier drain hose through the hole. Wrap it in cloth to keep bugs out. If you have a sonic speed, then your won't have a thru-hull fitting, but you can pull out your depth sounder transducer instead and use that thru-hull hole.
Craig SN68 Sangaris

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 06:51 PM, Matt Salatino wrote:
I wish I knew. 
Help, somebody!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 15, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Excuse my ingorance, but can you tell me where the "knot meter sensor hole is"?
I have no Idea? Maybe I think just on the wrong end?
Regards
Ruedi
Wasabi
A54#55


On 12 Aug 2019, at 23:48, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Someone previously posted a great idea. Drain the dehumidifier out the removed knot meter sensor hole. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:16 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Miles, ok that pump might be the way to go.  I have also just ordered a couple of 160W tube heaters which I intend to run over winter. One in the engine room and one in the galley.
High tech incandescent lamps!

Also considering a dehumidifier, but need to find somewhere to drain the fluid. Back home in Sydney I use one in another boat (because of wet racing sails, not cold damp weather) and it drains down the galley sink.
However on the Amel it seems a bit crazy to put the fluid into the bilge, then have to rely on the bulge pump!

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154
Anchored off Jura, Scotland

X


 Right - I should have addresed it to Ruedi, I guess.

Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Scott SV Tengah
 

Joerg,

That would be great to see the pics. Our single 18 line is not easy to deploy/put away so we end up using it much less than we would like. What do you do with the storage block/tackle when the runners are in use? Clip to the stanchion?


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, water maker?

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks,
I understand the issue, but since we’re getting a 50, I didn’t know the locations of the speed paddle wheel, or the depth transducer. I was just repeating what another owner posted a few weeks earlier.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 16, 2019, at 4:32 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Matt,
They are talking about your knot meter transducer where it goes through the hull bottom. Don't know if you have a paddlewheel style, but that's the bit. Remove the paddlewheel, like you would do to clean it and stick the humidifier drain hose through the hole. Wrap it in cloth to keep bugs out. If you have a sonic speed, then your won't have a thru-hull fitting, but you can pull out your depth sounder transducer instead and use that thru-hull hole.
Craig SN68 Sangaris

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 06:51 PM, Matt Salatino wrote:
I wish I knew. 
Help, somebody!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 15, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Excuse my ingorance, but can you tell me where the "knot meter sensor hole is"?
I have no Idea? Maybe I think just on the wrong end?
Regards
Ruedi
Wasabi
A54#55


On 12 Aug 2019, at 23:48, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Someone previously posted a great idea. Drain the dehumidifier out the removed knot meter sensor hole. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:16 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Miles, ok that pump might be the way to go.  I have also just ordered a couple of 160W tube heaters which I intend to run over winter. One in the engine room and one in the galley.
High tech incandescent lamps!

Also considering a dehumidifier, but need to find somewhere to drain the fluid. Back home in Sydney I use one in another boat (because of wet racing sails, not cold damp weather) and it drains down the galley sink.
However on the Amel it seems a bit crazy to put the fluid into the bilge, then have to rely on the bulge pump!

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154
Anchored off Jura, Scotland

X

Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, water maker?

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Matt,
They are talking about your knot meter transducer where it goes through the hull bottom. Don't know if you have a paddlewheel style, but that's the bit. Remove the paddlewheel, like you would do to clean it and stick the humidifier drain hose through the hole. Wrap it in cloth to keep bugs out. If you have a sonic speed, then your won't have a thru-hull fitting, but you can pull out your depth sounder transducer instead and use that thru-hull hole.
Craig SN68 Sangaris


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 06:51 PM, Matt Salatino wrote:
I wish I knew. 
Help, somebody!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 15, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Excuse my ingorance, but can you tell me where the "knot meter sensor hole is"?
I have no Idea? Maybe I think just on the wrong end?
Regards
Ruedi
Wasabi
A54#55


On 12 Aug 2019, at 23:48, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Someone previously posted a great idea. Drain the dehumidifier out the removed knot meter sensor hole. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:16 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Miles, ok that pump might be the way to go.  I have also just ordered a couple of 160W tube heaters which I intend to run over winter. One in the engine room and one in the galley.
High tech incandescent lamps!

Also considering a dehumidifier, but need to find somewhere to drain the fluid. Back home in Sydney I use one in another boat (because of wet racing sails, not cold damp weather) and it drains down the galley sink.
However on the Amel it seems a bit crazy to put the fluid into the bilge, then have to rely on the bulge pump!

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154
Anchored off Jura, Scotland

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Re: Upper C-Drive oil leak

John Clark
 

Hi Eamonn,

   The other replies are correct that there are no connections at the neoprene hose that would leak oil.  I noted in your description that you said the leak rate was "50ml/hr of run time."  I assume that means the oil is leaking only when the drive is engaged.  This tells me it is likely the input shaft seal leaking.  Other sealed points I would expect to leak all the time if comprimised(the drive is always full due to the oil resevoir).
 Why it is leaking remains a question.  Could be a damaged bearing in the drive unit or the drive shaft flexible coupling making the input shaft wander when there is load on it.  

It could also be an older worn shaft seal that just decided to start leaking around the same time.  Anyone else have thoughts?


John
SV Annie SM #37
Brunswick GA

              



On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:04 PM Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...> wrote:
A week ago my C-Drive started leaking oil into the engine room.  While doing 1000RPM on the Volvo TDM22 a rope wrapped 20 times around the short shaft of the Maxprop and within seconds stalled the engine.  Then the slow leak started (of the 8L 80W90 oil), where the rubber (neoprene?) hose connects with the floor of the engine room.  About 50ml leaks per hour of running time.  I tightened the 2 upper and 2 lower hose clamps, but it did not stop the leak.

The engine runs fine, the gears work fine.  What can I do to fix the leak and verify there is no other damage?  

Thanks
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Calasetta, Sardinia, Italy.

Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Joerg Esdorn
 

Scott, the runners on my boat are in two parts.  Part one comes down from the mast and ends in a loop 1 m above the deck and is tensioned with a block and tackle to the base of the shrouds with a snap shackle for storage when the runners are not in use.  Part two ends with a snap shackle  that hooks into the loop at the end of part one and the other end runs through the spin sheet block to the spinnaker winch.  When you use the runners, you unhook the shackle of the “storage” block and tackle and hook part two into the loop at the end of part one.  I’m not on the boat for another week but can post some pictures when I do.  Meanwhile I hope this helps. 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem

Re: Amel is going lithium

Teun BAAS
 

Last year I paid about EURO2,500 via a NEW CALEDONIA dealer plus installation.

Can confirm NO noise; NO vibration at all – it is mounted on the solar arch.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

PORT VILA  VANUATU

August 16, 2019 14:29:03

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 16:34
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel is going lithium

 

I don’t know current pricing.  The generator and mizzen attachment was about 3K 2 years ago but I believe prices have gone up.  Definitely cheaper to have more solar but I like the mix of power sources.   Cheers. Joerg 

Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Scott SV Tengah
 

Joerg,

Great article, but it seems some of the photos are missing. I am curious how the "backstay extension" works. I simply have a pair of 18m long 10mm kevlar lines that I keep on the stanchions near the mast using a simple trucker's hitch. It's not elegant because there's a lot of leftover which I take care of using a rolling hitch.

Then the article starts talking about a storage tackle for the running backstay! Do you have this backstay extension and the storage tackle?

Can you repost with all the pics? I have a feeling I may have been doing it wrong all along, not an unlikely situation. Thanks.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Fiji Pearl rendezvous

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Yes, this has worked for me and if the depth is 10 meters I can see
out about 30 to 40 meters in front of me, if the depth is 70 meters I
can see usually see out about 80 meters. This gives me enough time to
slow down if there is something in front, and EchoPilot has saved us a
few times!

One of the most valuable pieces of equipment on Aquarius!

Ken

On 8/15/19, Paul Osterberg <@Kerpa> wrote:
You mean the EchoPilot 2d professional? It has a realistic price also
Paul



Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, water maker?

Matt Salatino
 

I wish I knew. 
Help, somebody!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 15, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Excuse my ingorance, but can you tell me where the "knot meter sensor hole is"?
I have no Idea? Maybe I think just on the wrong end?
Regards
Ruedi
Wasabi
A54#55


On 12 Aug 2019, at 23:48, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Someone previously posted a great idea. Drain the dehumidifier out the removed knot meter sensor hole. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:16 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Miles, ok that pump might be the way to go.  I have also just ordered a couple of 160W tube heaters which I intend to run over winter. One in the engine room and one in the galley.
High tech incandescent lamps!

Also considering a dehumidifier, but need to find somewhere to drain the fluid. Back home in Sydney I use one in another boat (because of wet racing sails, not cold damp weather) and it drains down the galley sink.
However on the Amel it seems a bit crazy to put the fluid into the bilge, then have to rely on the bulge pump!

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154
Anchored off Jura, Scotland

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