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FW: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running
eric freedman
Coming across the Atlantic we had the same problem. I decided it was a problem with something blocking the tank. I took off the Hose leading to the tank and put it into the bell of the ships horn. When I heard bubbling I stopped. When I got to the USA, I drained the tank. Behind the fuel valve Amel mounted a screen. On Kimberlite you need a very thin wrench to remove the valve, it used to be called a tappet wrench. My tank inspection ports were sealed with blue silicone. Pieces of the blue silicone were blocking fuel flow, I flushed the tank and ran it through a filter to get out the blue stuff. Permatex recommends Moto Seal for replacing the tank gaskets. It is used on motorcycle gear boxes and is meant to be easily disassembled to change the gears om Motos for different tracks.
This is very unique and if all else fails possibly this is the problem, however I think it is something much simpler. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Garver via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 2:48 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running
The mechanic at the marina asked the same question about the auto-shutdown feature, so he's investigating that. I am about to pump some fuel from the bottom of the tank to check for water. I will also check for a vacuum on the fuel line, that's a good idea.
Thanks!
Mark S/V It's Good SM #105
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Re: Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed
JEFFREY KRAUS
Bill, are you looking for the exhaust elbow coming off the turbo? Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.
-------- Original message -------- From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> Date: 10/24/19 1:33 PM (GMT-04:00) To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3 - 110 Exhaust Elbow needed If one of you has a Volvo D3-110 exhaust elbow, I could use it. As you probably know HDI Marine the manufacturer of Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbows is a Preferred Vendor of Yacht School. I just received an email from HDI asking if I could locate a D3-110 elbow for them to use to make a mold which will allow them to produce a Stainless Steel Investment Cast elbow for the D3-110. If you have an old one in any condition, it will work. Let me know. Bill --
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Re: seals orientation
Hi Arnold,
I assume when you say the springs of the Amel supplied lip seals were magnetic you (or your mechanic) concluded they were not Stainless Steel and therefore you replaced them with O-rings. Actually, Stainless Steel is slightly magnetic and the very thin and lightweight Stainless Steel springs in lip seals will "stick" to a magnet - therefore the "test" your mechanic performed was not definitive. You must rely on the manufacturers specification - there is a Code letter that specifies Stainless Steel Garter Springs. Carbon Steel is usually the default, so you must specifically order stainless steel garter spring. I am sure Amel supplied the correct lip seal and that it did, indeed, have a stainless steel spring. If I recall correctly, Amel ships the lip seals in the manufacturer's box - if so you could check the part number on the box, if you still have it, and see that it indeed is a Stainless Steel Garter Spring. Cheers, Craig
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Re: Latest RigRite.com Goiot Tradition Prices 2019!
Charles Bell
Hello Andrew,
Great to hear from you! I am going to re-post an update I sent to Bob earlier today. Maybe we should make a group for this.
I am having a machine shop use CNC to make a large, low cost per item batch of:
Axel bolts
Plastic Pins
Plastic knobs - Female M8
Plastic Knobs - Male M8
Here is what has happened so far:
I measured the parts and made drawings
Requested bids from several shops
Selected a shop to work with
Today I am going down to the part and removing "sample parts" from my boat, Monday I will mail the samples to the machine shop.
The machine shop will confirm measures and comment
A round of samples will be made and shipped to me
I will test fit the parts on the boat
At this point I would be happy to post pictures/video of the parts. I would also be happy to share them around to get more feedback.
After we adjust or OK the parts they will make 100-200 of each part. Of course, we can increase the batch size if there is more interest.
The manufactured cost should be a few dollars each. I think we will land in the $3-7 dollar/each range.
My initial order was marine-grade aluminum with anodization (which is how my original parts *seem* to have been made. I am open to the idea of other material suggestions.
This is *not* a money-making endeavor. Just cost-sharing... and saving us all some money. Anyone who would like to connect and help/influence/get some of these parts is welcome to post on this thread or private message me. I will share my phone number privately...
For the gaskets, I am shopping online and would appreciate being pointed to anyone else's sources & wisdom!! Thank you, Charles (& Hae) SV Jupiter @CruisingJupiter - Facebook Mango Hull #29
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Re: seals orientation
Hello, I'm Arnold with the SM 203 Zephyr, In March 2019, in Nice, I changed the seals with Amel OEM. After 150 hours of engine and 1600 NM, I was able to detect a water ingress in the C-Drive. Of course I ordered the new seals from Maude. In the discussion with the mechanic, he drew my attention to the spring rings of Amel, as they were magnetic after the test. I am currently ashore and have exchanged the two rear spring washers for O-rings to counteract the corrosion on the seawater side. Whereby I would like to follow the installation position of Amel. In the meantime I decided to use only 1.4571 spring washers. After the discussion is already very lively, I would be glad about a feedback. Sorry my english !! Arnold SY Zephyr SM 203 in Grado northern Adriatic Am 26.10.2019 um 17:40 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:
I will also throw in my 2 cents. One of the major reasons we elected to buy an Amel, was that the boat concept, its design and systems had been tested for decades, in conditions that we expected to encounter.
It is my belief that any design can be improved on. However without sufficient of real world testing, the success of the improvement is only theoretical. Design changes sometimes have unintended consequences that only show up after time. In my opinion,
if there is a proven design, on a critical system that has performed for decades if done correctly, should not be changed without sufficient real world testing.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad & Aty
Amel 54 #099
B&B Kokomo
Arnold Mente Urbaniweg 12 -- SY Zephyr SM203
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Re: seals orientation
Mohammad Shirloo
I will also throw in my 2 cents. One of the major reasons we elected to buy an Amel, was that the boat concept, its design and systems had been tested for decades, in conditions that we expected to encounter.
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It is my belief that any design can be improved on. However without sufficient of real world testing, the success of the improvement is only theoretical. Design changes sometimes have unintended consequences that only show up after time. In my opinion,
if there is a proven design, on a critical system that has performed for decades if done correctly, should not be changed without sufficient real world testing.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad & Aty
Amel 54 #099
B&B Kokomo
On Oct 26, 2019, at 8:01 AM, CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: seals orientation
Randall
Hello Bill,
I am new to my AMEL 54. I have seen a couple of videos on changing the seals out, but do you have the how to you like, and is it available. I'm splashing in one month.
I remember all the Nikimat how to info posted publicly. and the many other people who have posted on their own sites and on YouTube.
A library of sorts would be nice.
It was sad to see Nikimat after Irma.
Randall
A-54 #56
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: October 26, 2019 11:01 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] seals orientation
Many of you know my thoughts on this and I will not bore you with why I believe the Amel way is the best way.
I don't want to start an argument and I respect each owner's opinion....but, I cannot let this continue without saying something. There are plenty of newbies in this group who may not understand the correct procedure and the risks.
Ask yourself this question:
Which is more important? Keeping oil in the C-Drive, or keeping water out? And if you had a chance to cut the chance of one of these risks occurring in half, which would you choose?
Oil in? Or, water out?
The biggest reason, in fact the only reason, that I have witnessed for either oil leaking out or water leaking in, is the person doing the job actually did not do it correctly. There were important steps, either omitted or done wrong. There are correct seals
and incorrect seals. There are Amel OEM wear bushings and knock-offs.
My recommendation is to: Do the job as though Henri Amel is looking over your shoulder. I believe he is.
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On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:32 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
I'd be interested to hear how many hours you all have on your seals, too.
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Re: seals orientation
Many of you know my thoughts on this and I will not bore you with why I believe the Amel way is the best way. I don't want to start an argument and I respect each owner's opinion....but, I cannot let this continue without saying something. There are plenty of newbies in this group who may not understand the correct procedure and the risks. Ask yourself this question: Which is more important? Keeping oil in the C-Drive, or keeping water out? And if you had a chance to cut the chance of one of these risks occurring in half, which would you choose? Oil in? Or, water out? The biggest reason, in fact the only reason, that I have witnessed for either oil leaking out or water leaking in, is the person doing the job actually did not do it correctly. There were important steps, either omitted or done wrong. There are correct seals and incorrect seals. There are Amel OEM wear bushings and knock-offs. My recommendation is to: Do the job as though Henri Amel is looking over your shoulder. I believe he is. --
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:32 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote: I'd be interested to hear how many hours you all have on your seals, too.
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Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG
islandpearl2_sm2k332
Hi Scott Good to hear from you. I hope all is well and that you guys will have another safe sail down to the Caribbean soon. The Pacific and the Indian Oceans were certainly the highlights of our circumnavigation, with the Pacific being the most beautiful with nice variety, and the certainly totally safe which was a pleasant change for us after some of our experiences. You and Mia will absolutely love it! Unfortunately, although I have sailed there a few years ago in 2016, I am no expert in terms of New Zealand so I should not try to advise you, however both Danny and Alan on this forum would have excellent advice I am sure are their boats have been there for many years. Please look us up when you come to Australia. It was a pleasure to meet you both at the Amel Rally this year and I would gladly help if there is anything you need advice on here in Australia. Best regards Colin SV Island Pearl II SM#332 Bundaberg Port Marina (Now for sale in Australia, with all Australian Import Duty and taxes paid, so the new owner would be allowed to keep it here during the Pacific Cyclone seasons. Australia is the perfect base from which to easily explore the very best cruising grounds in the world, ie the South Pacific, with a safe easy crossing back and forth to New Caledonia and Fiji each year with the Downunder Rally as you build your sailing confidence before sailing Asia and the Indian Ocean. Contact me if interested on svislandpearl@... )
On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 12:25 AM Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote: Congrats Colin! You guys did make it a good ways since we met at the Amel rally in Martinique! We're just in DC. :) --
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Re: seals orientation
Scott SV Tengah
I'd be interested to hear how many hours you all have on your seals, too.
We did the two aft seals with the spring facing sea water and the forward two seals with spring facing the oil. So far 600 hours and zero drop in oil and zero water ingress. But I see the logic behind Jose's method with any oil leaking past the single forward seal lubricating the aft two seals. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG
Scott SV Tengah
Congrats Colin! You guys did make it a good ways since we met at the Amel rally in Martinique! We're just in DC. :)
That said, we'll be heading your way and likely arrive in your part of the world by November 2020. Most likely spend typhoon season in NZ and then back to the South Pacific for a second season in 2021 as we have heard nothing but positive things about it. Any idea about reasonably priced dry dock in NZ? We will likely get off the boat for a bit and buy a car to travel around. Mie and I have both spent time in Australia, so we're hoping to explore NZ this time, but you never know, we may make it over to your island, too! -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG
islandpearl2_sm2k332
Hi Teun Regarding your question about the new sails for Island Pearl II from Emrah at Q Sails, I should also first thank you now for your positive recommendations in terms of your Pacific shipping experience with QSails, and the quality. Based on your advice, that of Bill, and so many other Amel Q Sail clients we went ahead and ordered a completely new set of sails to be sent to us in Fiji. I did not want to comment too early before we had actually got to try the sails out on a passage. Firstly, similar to your experience Emrah delivered the sails all the way to Nadi in Fiji on the precise day promised, and at the exact agreed on cost too. That was impressive! Next, the sails fitted our boat #332 absolutely perfectly, right out of the box! I have purchased new sets of sails for previous boats from both Hood and North Sails, and so in comparison could immediately see the quality of these Q Sails was really good. We eventually only got the last of the three new sails all up 10 days ago, the day before sailing 800nm from New Caledonia to Bundaberg in Australia since our previous sails were still usable, and I wanted these sails to be "as new" for the future new owner of Island Pearl II when we sell soon. On the test sail from New Caledonia to Bundaberg in Australia, we had very light winds and I certainly was very pleased with the shape of the new sails in all winds, and the added speed which we got in low winds. Initially, I did not have the mainsail halyard tight enough, but as soon as I corrected that issue, the sails furled even better than the old ones ever did, both upwind and downwind. Over the last 36hrs of the passage we had constant winds of 23 - 27kts and I was really delighted with the performance and shape when reefed back at all different reefing points. So in a nutshell, yes thank you for your recommendation. I too now am also another very happy Amel owner after purchasing from Q Sails. Best regards Colin SV Island Pearl II Bundaberg Port Marina (Now for sale in Australia, with all Australian Import Duty and taxes paid, so the new owner would be allowed to keep it here during the Pacific Cyclone seasons. Australia is the perfect base from which to easily explore the very best cruising grounds in the world, ie the South Pacific, with a safe easy crossing back and forth to New Caledonia and Fiji each year with the Downunder Rally as you build your sailing confidence before sailing Asia and the Indian Ocean. Contact me if interested on svislandpearl@... )
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 4:23 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG
islandpearl2_sm2k332
Hi Pat and Diane Many thanks. Hard to believe that it was only recently in March/April that we met at St Pierre and again at Ills de Saints, and now we are in Australia. It was our absolute pleasure to get to know you both, and so many other wonderful Amel folk. Best regards Colin
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:51 PM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
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24v alternator
Thanks Alan, James and Bill for your comments.
I can not see that there is any difference between Alan’s set up and mine. So it must be fine tuned. I have seen other 54’s with the 24v alternator driven by the same belt as the water pump and 12v alternator. That set up works well on all account but it is only 110A v 175A. I am not going to go that way. I think I will persist with the twin belt set up for a bit longer and do; 1. New bearings on idlers and new face 2. Polish and check faces of pulleys 3. Gates fleet runner matched belts 4. Fine tune the alignment. Then if I am still not 100% happy I will change the pulleys to micro v serpentine. Nick Anchored off Nisos Elefonisos AML54-019
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Re: Remote two way valve for flushing the water maker
Yes Paul, that's how it works.
And when we start the watermaker we run it for a few minutes to allow the incoming saltwater to fully flush out the fresh before increasing the pressure slowly to start making water. Fresh water applied under pressure to the membranes will damage them. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG
Hi Dean,
Can you send me your contact information: teun@... or teun at amelit dot net
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA October 26, 2019 16:22:52
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Dean Gillies via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 23:28 To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/BRISBANE area marina & yard/AYOG
Hi Tuen, I’ll be at home in Sydney until late April then back to Stella, currently in Scotland. Ping me on here or private email if you are heading this way before April. Cheers Dean X
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Re: Yanmar Diesel Won't Stay Running
And the winner goes to vacuum in the line. Bled the lines and averting is purring like a 80 HP Diesel.
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Thanks all!!! I’m still going to check the vent lines we have a lot of wasps around. some of the ARC1500 boats are up here! All Beneteau’s so far! Thanks again all! Mark S/V It’s Good SM #105
On Oct 24, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Chad & Leslie Shoaf <crshoaf21@...> wrote:
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Re: seals orientation
That is how I have been orienting my seals for the last seven years now. I have had no water ingress, and no loss of oil.
Kent Kristy SM 243 HI Jose, How many hours do you have on the seals, and what type of grease did you use on them? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 -----Original Message----- From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Venegas via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 8:37 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] seals orientation Craig Still pristine and constant oil level Jose Ipanema Sm278
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Re: Remote two way valve for flushing the water maker
David Wallace
Paul, yes that’s how it works. With no power on the solenoids the open one let’s salt water in and the closed one keeps freshwater out. Throwing the switch provides power to both solenoids simultaneously which closes the saltwater solenoid and opens the fresh
water one. When done flushing I then turn off the RO master switch and power is simultaneously removed from both solenoids (since power to them is routed from the “downstream” side of the master power switch) so they return to their normal state: if I just
turned off the solenoid switch saltwater would be introduced again until the RO system was shut off. Then be sure to turn off the solenoid switch or else you'll be making water with your own freshwater when you next start up your system! I've just built a
relay switch to solve that problem but haven’t installed it yet.
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Good luck!
Dave Wallace
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
On Oct 25, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
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Re: Remote two way valve for flushing the water maker
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 07:03 PM, Alan Leslie wrote:
Dave and Alan thanks, great idea with the timer, as I often forget to flush my membranes. If I understand it right on the saltwater side you have a "remote" valve open when no current and on the fresh water side the valve is open when current is on so when the current is on it flush with freshwater, as the saltwater valve is closed, and when current off it is free passage of salt water if one want to operate the desalinator.Paul on SM#259 SY Kerpa
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