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Re: Skarki Headspace / Celing Height
Dom
Hi, Here are the dimensions that I noted for the mattresses And a plan of the Sharki
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Re: A54 fridge circulation pump
Hello all,
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It seams that the gentle flow of the fridge cooling circuit running 80% of the time is the perfect environment for barnacle growth. This includes the raw water strainer as it too will have that trickle running through it. This explains the terrible fouling and no smell. On my last boat I had a Frigoboat compressor. It had a little heat exchanger for the hot refrigerant to run through which is through bolted onto the sea side of the hull and very streamlined. There was therefore no need to run any cooling pump. The compressor had a fan as well, so with the “keel cooler” set up, (it was an option) one just disconnects the fan. When the boat is ashore one simply connects the fan back until the boat is launched. I owned the boat for over ten years and to be frank the system was better than what we have now. It never once gave me any cause for concern. It was a modest fridge with only a small ice compartment, but the keel cooler is sized to fit the fridge size. I reckon that it would be possible to do the same on the Amel. Each fridge unit would require its own keel cooler. One could do away with the sea water circuit altogether. It would require vacuuming the refrigerant, cutting the hot side copper pipe, soldering it to the keel cooler in line then re-vacuuming and re charging the system. I am not 100% sure if the existing compressors would support this but I do not see why not. I am not proposing to do this at the moment, after all I still have three spare pumps, but it is food for thought. Another possibility is to run the fridge cooling system with freshwater from the tank and back into the tank. I wander if the tank water would warm up, or weather it would lose the heat to the sea through the GRP hull. The tank water rests pretty much at the same temperature of the sea water. The problem is that I would not want to risk contaminating the tank water if there was a leak of refrigerant and you still have this pump running nearly the whole time. Just some thoughts. I think if one of my fridge compressors were to fail I would be tempted to buy the Frigoboat compressor with keel cooler as replacement. Nick Amelia AML 54-019 Kilada Greece.
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Looks like Amel hit one out of the box.
eric freedman
I hear that
” Amel 50’s are selling out. I just sold one last month and it is not going to deliver until October 2021. Amel is requiring a €300,000 deposit to claim a production slot. The schedule for the next available Amel 50 production slot is September 2021. There are also two boats that will be available in June 2021 and November 2021 that will be used as demo/boat show displays which can be purchased at a slight discount.”
Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: A54 fridge circulation pump
Arno,
I am confused – I know that on the controller it mentions 12/24 volt but with the 3 Flojet pumps I purchased over the last year or so I always made sure they were 24 volt units. Do I need to have a 12 volt unit?
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA January 14, 2020 16:58:49
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On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 05:11 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 fridge circulation pump
Hi Scott,
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Re: A54 fridge circulation pump
Hi Arno,
In your message below “ On the other hand the continuous flow of water makes keeps growth of whatever wants to settle in the circuit also minimal. “ I was of the same opinion and feared my AC line would be even more gooked up than the fridge/freezer line but amazingly when I flushed, prior to my departure to USA, while on the hard all lines with fresh water the fridge & freezer exiting fresh water was far more discolored than the AC exiting fresh water.
Later on somebody explained to me that marine life can NOT survive in stationary salt water; therefore dies hence the bad smell. Apparently marine life needs flowing water to survive which explains all the growth on my sea chest strainer as well as the little in line filters/strainers I have for the freezer; AC and SPECTRA water maker lines.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA January 14, 2020 16:46:11
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On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 05:09 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 fridge circulation pump
Hi Nick,
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Re: A54 fridge circulation pump
I also had at least 3 Flojet pumps going out on me since Q1 2018; usually the freezer temperature would go up - over 1 ½ year period in NEW CALEDONIA the freezer unit was checked for leaks & serviced at least 2 or 3 times. In vain I tried to get locally BARNACLE BUSTER, couldn’t bring it back with me from USA. In VANUATU I had freezer problems again and luckily another AMEL 54 owner (Bob HODGINS/SV GALLIVANT) had ½ gallon BB and we flushed the fridge/freezer for about 5 hours: unbelievable amount of junk coming out of the system. Everything worked fine for 1 or 2 months but during passage from NOUMEA to BUNDABERG the freezer created problems again.
I am determined to solve this problem permanently and take drastic action as I need a fully functional freezer. Therefore last month agreed with a (German) marine refrigeration specialist @ THE BOAT WORKS YARD (an excellent, world class 55 acres facility with every marine service you can think of on-site) in COOMERA AUSTRALIA that on my return from USA we would check & service the refrigeration, freezer as well as A/C systems. He also suggested taking out the current element out of the freezer and replacing with a unit curving inside the freezer box therefore giving more efficient freezer space. However, he is not willing to change for me the insulation of the freezer box where I believe the main problem is as I can see the temperature rising quickly when I turn the system off for my 2 weekly cleaning of the little in line filter/strainer. The previous owner also installed in both the fridge as well as the AC lines an in line anti-algae/growth anti fouling system; originally SPECTRA but they sold the product line to HALDEN MARINE and is now called BIO-GUARD. I have the 500 for the fridge & freezer line and the 1000 for the A/C systems.
I really would like to hear from a A54 owner who has gone thru the process of replacing the horizontal freezer (under the saloon bench) insulation how to go about this.
I will be in USA until early March and then return to AUSTRALIA.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA January 14, 2020 16:24:11
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On Behalf Of Jamie Wendell via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 10:49 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 fridge circulation pump
I have had many, many motor failures using the Flojet pumps you all are referencing - often they last less than a year. In many instances the failures have caused my refrigeration units to shut down, and in one case in Martinique I had
to replace the evaporator on the freezer under the seat.
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Re: Repairing holes in aft cabin trunk / deck
Germain Jean-Pierre
Congratulations! Rascal is a good vessel. In my opinion, I’d leave well enough alone because the LR is easily accessible ans easily deployed from this location. Try repealing the bolts with the appropriate product from 3M or Sikaflex.. Enjoy her! Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007, New Zealand
On 15 Jan 2020, at 11:11, Kevin Fox via Groups.Io <foxkm@...> wrote:
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Repairing holes in aft cabin trunk / deck
Kevin Fox
Greetings All. My family and I are excited to be the new owners of Rascal. I've been following this forum for over a year and am impressed by, and appreciative of, all the knowledge that Amel owners are willing to share. I hope to get up to speed quickly and do my part to help others.
Rascal has a life raft mounted in a rack on the cabin trunk immediately aft of the mizzen mast. We’re not big fans of this location and plan to move it. One of the issues is that there are leaks around some of the bolts. There are twelve total, in groups of three. We can see the screw heads in the aft head and in the passageway just outside the aft head. If we remove the rack we’ll need to fill the holes. I’ve seen information on how to clean out holes in fiberglass decks, including trying to remove some of the coring around the hole if wet, in preparation for filling them with thickened epoxy. Are there any tricks or special procedures for this type of repair on an Amel?
I don’t think we’ll be able to access the bottom of the fiberglass from inside the boat, so I’m guessing that we’ll need to use high viscosity (well-thickened) epoxy. Am I correct that there is space between the cabin ceiling and the fiberglass?
Another approach might be to put new, low-profile bolts in these holes and re-bed them well. Replacement bolts might also solve the issue of what to do with the holes left in the cabin ceiling.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thank you!
---- Kevin and Elise Fox SM2k #404 Rascal Charleston, SC
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Re: Mango Bonding
Arlo
BTW I did look through the forum's files and photos and there were references to wiring diagrams in the post, I could not find them in the files or pic section.....
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Mango Bonding
Arlo
Hello all, Since our 1985 Mango was hauled out for a new cutlass bearing and bottom paint, I thought I'd check the bonding system. The strap in the bilge was corroded, as suspected and will be replaced. The rudder post, and zinc's appear to show zero resistance which is great news. I am in the process of checking the rest of the system and see that some of the braided bonding straps are starting to become weak, brittle and generally in need of replacing (not all but some). So 2 questions or my fellow Amelians.... (Yes I read through all 691 post on here about the Bonding system)
1) I understand that electricity travels on the outside of the wire's surface, thus flat copper tinned woven straps instead of round wires, but does any one have any thoughts if its better to go back in with the same sort of copper tinned straps or wires for the bonding system? Seems like these straps reached the end of their life in many areas of the boat. 2) I have an original Amel Mango wiring diagram (its very large) but it does not indicate the bonding system on it. Anyone know how Amel originally routed the Mango's (or similiar year 1985 Amel) bonding system through the boat?
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Re: Sailing higher latitudes
marklesparkle59
I am enjoying the high latitudes chat. Thank you for your stories. Hoping for more. Mark Sea Hobo Sharki #96 Sent from my Samsung device
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Re: Sailing higher latitudes
Orion Martin
Thank you for your reply Ian, Judy and Peter. That is very encouraging that an SM would cope well in higher latitudes (provided adequate heating was on hand). I know all too well the central heating powers of a fine whisky, single malt or blended:)
As part of my research I was looking at steel hull boats for potential higher latitude sailing, but there were too many things about steel boats that I felt wouldn't provide the level of comfort that an SM could. As it is I regard the SM s close to perfect a boat as you can get ( for my needs anyway), however it was the durability of the boat that I was concerned with sailing higher latitudes. Your posts assuage any concerns I had about heating, condensation and durability. Wishing you fair winds:)
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Re: A54 fridge circulation pump
Sv Garulfo
Hi All, After 3 flojets (full time liveaboard, typically running 1fridge+1 freezer, lifespan 8-14mths), we have installed and been running on the Marco UP-2P 24v for a 1.5 months, as recommended earlier in related thread ( (#48365) + (#49456)). So far so good but still early days to say, and yes it is noisier than the Flojet. @Scott, I thought you mentioned earlier in sep that you had ordered the Marco UP-2P 24v too, and were either running it or planning to soon. What was your experience with it? Thanks, Soraya GARULFO A54-122 Nuku Hiva, Marquesas, FP
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 08:44, Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote: I have had many, many motor failures using the Flojet pumps you all are referencing - often they last less than a year. In many instances the failures have caused my refrigeration units to shut down, and in one case in Martinique I had to replace the evaporator on the freezer under the seat.
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Pump
Hi together! I had this German pump in use for many years on my traditional wooden Charter Vessel. It works 24/7 with 12 people on board. I never got any problems with this. May it’s a solution for Amel boats. Stefan Stefan Deerberg CEO Deerberg GmbH Unternehmer/ Entrepreneur Lilienthalstraße 1 21335 Lüneburg Germany Mobil: +49 172 7757444
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Re: A54 fridge circulation pump
Jamie Wendell
I have had many, many motor failures using the Flojet pumps you all are referencing - often they last less than a year. In many instances the failures have caused my refrigeration units to shut down, and in one case in Martinique I had to replace the evaporator on the freezer under the seat.
I have determined that the failures occur most often as the boat battery voltage drops off (tough to keep at 100%), and that is one reason I am considering upgrading to Lithium batteries this year. Maybe I have been too complacent and have just blindly bought new replacement pumps, but now (with 3 failed motors on board), I am determined to solve this issue once and for all. Based on all the email conversation, can someone let me know which pump will work well? I have never checked the incoming voltage at the pump, but I am surprised to hear it is 12 volts vs. 24. I have used 24 volt motors in service, and I am not sure where the step-down occurs - maybe in the pump controller? Any recommendations would be helpful, as I have seen many ideas. Thanks, Jamie Wendell A54 Phantom
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Re: SM leaking ATF fluid
#solution
Rob Smith
Bill Many thanks for your speedy reply. I believe it's the seal that has gone as that is where it is leaking from. I will have a go at changing it. Many thanks for your help. Rob FORESIGHT SM #152
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020, 16:25 CW Bill Rouse, <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: SM leaking ATF fluid
#solution
Rob, I have not personally experienced this issue. Your ZF 25 holds 0.75 liters of fluid. Is it possibly overfilled? You do not screw in the dipstick to check the level. If not, it probably is a worn
sealing ring. If so, maybe this will help you: 5.2 Removing and disassembling the actuating lever cover plate 5.2.1 Always set actuating lever to neutral position. 5.2.2 Remove hex nuts (22) from cover plate (9), using 13 mm spanner (wrench), and take off spring washers (4). 5.2.3 Remove cover plate assembly (12), lever (6) and actuating cam (11). 5.2.4 Remove screw (7) from lever (6). Pull off lever (6). Remove actuating cam (11) and needle bearing (70) only in models ZF 12 M - 15 M - 25 M - 30 M. Remove actuating cam sealing ring (8). ========================== 6.3 Assembling the shifting fork in gearbox section side shifting cover 6.3.1 Insert shifting fork (15) into gearbox section (1) side the actuating lever in such a way that the long arm of the fork points downwards. 6.3.2 Insert shifting rod (16) through bores in gearbox and shifting fork. 6.3.3 Fit screw plug (17) to gearbox, making certain that the clearance between shifting rod (16) and screw plug (17) is min. 0.5 mm (0.02 in). Seal screw plug with Loctite 242 (ZF 3 M - 5 M only O-Ring). 6.3.4 Check shifting fork for easy movability. 6.4 Pre-assembling the actuating lever cover plate Use punch tool to press sealing ring (8) into cover plate (9). Spread antifriction bearing grease between sealing lips. 6.4.1 Insert actuating cam assembly (11) into cover plate (9). 6.4.2 Fit actuating lever (6). IMPORTANT: Clearance between actuating lever and cover plate 0.5 mm (0.02 in). 6.4.3 Clamp actuating lever by means of retaining screw (7), using a 13 mm spanner (wrench). Screw in with torque of 20 Nm. --
On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:28 AM Rob Smith <robfromcornwall.1966@...> wrote: Hello I have ATF fluid leaking from the gear lever on my gearbox.
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Re: SM leaking ATF fluid
#solution
Leopold Hauer
Hello It is a easy repair, you must open the 4 screws besides the lever and mount a new radial sealing ring (SD 20x26x4) see foto. The sealing is part nr. 8 Leo SM YinYang # 69 Fiji Von meinem iPad gesendet
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SM leaking ATF fluid
#solution
Rob Smith
Hello I have ATF fluid leaking from the gear lever on my gearbox.
Any suggestions? Rob smith Foresight SM#152
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Skarki Headspace / Celing Height
Hello,
as a potential owner of a Sharki from 1982 I am interested in knowing: 1. salon headspace (ceiling height) 2. dimension of mattress (sleeping surface) in rear cabin when maximized. Cannot find any dimensional drawings in the internet. Can anybody help? Thank you Best Matthias
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