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Re: SM2K Genoa Jib Cart ANTAL 624.492/C Order pending in the US
#replacement
#spares
#order
Alan Grayson
Hi Michael, I would like to get 1 for a spare as well. Please add me to your order. We can work out payment and if we could have you ship it to Texas that would be great.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
St Lucia
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...>
Sent: Friday, 15 May 2020 9:26 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM2K Genoa Jib Cart ANTAL 624.492/C Order pending in the US #replacement #spares #order The "other amel owner" is likely us. We ordered them from Euro Marine Trading about 2 weeks ago and delivery is expected in another week or so. That's the same price we were quoted. We're getting new genoa blocks as well (part 01201, $399/ea).
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:19 PM Michael & Robyn <SY_RIPPLE@...> wrote:
Greetings!
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Re: Volvo oil pressure - single wire non-isolated switch
Hi Mohammad
Can you ore someone from the group please enlighten me on this topic?
Ruedi WASABI A54#55
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Re: Whole Boat Permanent Inverter for 220VAC 50Hz
Mohammad Shirloo
Hello Gary;
We are looking into supplying the entire 220V panel from the battery bank by inverters, so we can run all boat systems from the battery bank. With new inverter/chargers there is the ability to feed both shore power and generator power directly, thus elimination the over decade old original switch that came with the boat. This has been a source of thought from time to time, as some apparently have had fires due to the failure of this switch.
I won’t go into the details of our developing design concept, since it does not answer your question. However, in our design concept, your idea of providing a separate charger that runs on 110/60Hz, would be sufficient to address the frequency difference. So, in all cases, in the absence of 220/50Hz shore power or generator, the batteries would be supplying the inverter that is supplying the entire 220V panel on board. The 110/60Hz charger just supplies the 24V needed for the inverters. This would be completely isolated from all other systems and would simply be a 110/60Hz shore power connection and two wires to the battery bank, thus keeping the two systems isolated.
Just another though.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gary Wells via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 6:25 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Whole Boat Permanent Inverter for 220VAC 50Hz
[Edited Message Follows] There have been a couple of recent discussions about getting 220V aboard while plugged in to U.S. (North American) shore power and some of the considerations between the 50Hz/60Hz difference. While we've enjoyed Adagio's collection of adapters which allow
easy connection to shore power pretty much anywhere, the 50Hz/60Hz consideration has been on my "list" for some time now.
I have been thinking over providing inverter power to the whole boat on a permanent basis and was wondering if anyone else has done this or considered it. It would mean installation of a large inverter (perhaps 4,000 watts, pure sine wave) and using that output exclusively to the boat's power input switchover box (where the shore power comes in now). The shore power would come aboard and run to the batter charger and nothing else. (The Genset and "magic switch" cutover would be the same).
So, then we would have 220VAC at 50Hz regardless of the situation of the shore power .. it would be a kind of power conditioner as well, smoothing the voltage and frequency if the shore power is shaky. I do see an advantage to this, as the battery charger can accept a wider range of voltage/Hz variance than the appliances.
The obvious downside is that the whole boat would be essentially powered by the battery bank. Shore power would come only to the battery charger, then get converted to 24VDC and then get inverted back to house power at 220VAC 50Hz. This is obviously less efficient and presents a potential additional battery drain should the Inverter be left on while underway .. although .. with wind and solar providing some power, the use of a 220VAC 50Hz appliance without the need to run the Generator could be a good advantage..
Oh, my .. it's quite a dilemma :)
Any thoughts on the idea?
Thanks kindly, Gary W.
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Re: Hot Water Heater Power Consumption
Hi Stephen,
I have not had that problem (yet) but I am curious about it causing a draw vs. tripping the breaker. AnchorExpress.com has the heating elements and Thermostats although their delivery time is long. I got my new thermostat from eBay, actually but the heating element (plus a spare) is on the way.
Funny to me is that the original Stainless boiler gave zero trouble until it just died, but the new and improved all plastic one seems more prone to faults.
Ah, it's the sailing life for me :)
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Re: Onan ballbearing check and valves values
Gary Silver
Hi Oliver:
I have been concerned about the generator rotor ball bearings for the last 15 years. As I recall the manual indicates this should be replace every 5?? of years or ?? hours of run time. In 2006 I purchased the parts and engaged a "Onan Certified" technician in St. Thomas to do that change. He took the end cover off the generator, looked at the bearing, became completely intimidated with the task and decline to do it, even though I had the new parts available. I have since had discussion with the technicians at Cummings Diesel (Salt Lake City), the local Onan dealer and where I source my Onan parts. They don't have any direct experience but did produce for me several pages from their service manual for this model that very vaguely discuss it. Those instructions don't give a detailed process and seem to imply that the procedure is so rudimentary that one shouldn't need to have to inquire how it is done. I have tried to puzzle out the process from these resources but have concluded that it would be impractical for me to tackle the job while the unit is "below decks". As I understand it, the rotor is supported, by a means not specified, while the generator end housing is removed, the bearing extracted from its counter-bore, and a new bearing is pressed into place. Perhaps there is some sort of tool/support for doing that. I am guessing the rotor with its windings is very heavy. I wonder if Bill Rouse might have any sway to get a procedure for this from Onan. Gary Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 # 335 currently at home in Utah while my boat languishes in Puerto Rico
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Re: Whole Boat Permanent Inverter for 220VAC 50Hz
Gary,
Do you also plan to run the air-conditioning from the inverter?
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gary Wells
[Edited Message Follows] There have been a couple of recent discussions about getting 220V aboard
while plugged in to U.S. (North American) shore power and some of the
considerations between the 50Hz/60Hz difference. While we've enjoyed Adagio's
collection of adapters which allow easy connection to shore power pretty much
anywhere, the 50Hz/60Hz consideration has been on my "list" for
some time now.
I have been thinking over providing inverter power to the whole boat on a permanent basis and was wondering if anyone else has done this or considered it. It would mean installation of a large inverter (perhaps 4,000 watts, pure sine wave) and using that output exclusively to the boat's power input switchover box (where the shore power comes in now). The shore power would come aboard and run to the batter charger and nothing else. (The Genset and "magic switch" cutover would be the same).
So, then we would have 220VAC at 50Hz regardless of the situation of the shore power .. it would be a kind of power conditioner as well, smoothing the voltage and frequency if the shore power is shaky. I do see an advantage to this, as the battery charger can accept a wider range of voltage/Hz variance than the appliances.
The obvious downside is that the whole boat would be essentially powered by the battery bank. Shore power would come only to the battery charger, then get converted to 24VDC and then get inverted back to house power at 220VAC 50Hz. This is obviously less efficient and presents a potential additional battery drain should the Inverter be left on while underway .. although .. with wind and solar providing some power, the use of a 220VAC 50Hz appliance without the need to run the Generator could be a good advantage..
Oh, my .. it's quite a dilemma :)
Any thoughts on the idea?
Thanks kindly, Gary W.
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Onan ballbearing check and valves values
Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Hello, 1. My ONAN manual indicates that the ballbearings need to be checked for their tollerance. In regular maintenance schedule. Does anybody hold an instruction how to do that? 2. What are the valve values for the exhaust valves? Onan MDKBM-5754457 Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54 #39 Martinique
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Re: SM Turnbuckle
Gary Silver
Hi John:
5 years ago I replaced the standing rigging on my SM Hull #335 using an ACMO supplied "kit". ACMO was a pleasure to work with, shipped promptly, packaged and handled the supplied materials well, and the rigging fit perfectly. However, the quality of this kit did not match the original ACMO rigging that was on the boat when we purchased her new in 2001. That original Chrome was pristine and shinny nearly to the end of it's 15 years before we replaced the standing rigging. Also, I never had any rust on the SS wire of the shrouds and stays until that 2015 replacement. When the ACMO replacement kit came, we noticed that some of the chrome seemed "thin" and there was scoring on some of the swages from either a dirty or damaged swaging tool used by ACMO. The replacement was completed as we didn't have much choice in our schedule and the riggers assured me these were only cosmetic issues, not structural. The wire cable has been rusting ever since, this despite my extra efforts to hose down the cable up to half the mast height. There isn't any pitting that I can see using 10 X magnification (aviation standard) of the cable, just a continual patina of rust that runs down and stains things if not kept up with. The chrome plating on the turnbuckles has mostly failed in that the turnbuckles appear dull and appear similar or worse than your picture. I know enough about metallurgy to know that it is partially science and a lot of "art". I can only surmise that ACMO's supplier's metallurgy is suspect. There is no excuse for the scoring on the swages, that is just poor workmanship and or poor quality control. I have been tempted to call-out ACMO on these issues but have convinced myself that doing so would be fruitless and that "it is only cosmetic and not structural". When it comes time to re-rig however, I will seriously consider going with a different vendor although there are pitfalls of doing so. Perhaps I should have been more pro-active with ACMO when I last re-rigged. I dislike those (like me in this case) that complain and don't do anything about it. If I were to re-rig with ACMO I would include a contractural stipulation that receipt of the materials and final payment would be based upon inspection for quality. Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 # 335 Puerto Rico
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Re: Mainsail manual furler lubricant
Thanks Craig. As great as it looks after 20 years, I'll try the gear oil again. We may sail up to Maine in July/Aug if Iris' new capn&crew are working out OK and the post-covid season allows. Hope to see you before or after that. Hi to Katherine. Kent & Iris Kristy SM243
On May 15, 2020 11:27 AM, "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...> wrote: Hi all,
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Re: SM Turnbuckle
John Clark
While this is a tad late to the discussion, yes the ACMO turnbuckles are chrome plated bronze....and that chrome plating is my concern. I had Caribe Greement in Martinique replace Annie's rigging in 2017. Shortly afterward the chrome on the turnbuckles began to look weathered even though we rinsed them and kept them clean. Here is a picture of the main mast backstay turnbuckle, the one in the cockpit. This one is out of the weather and the chrome is pretty much done. Has anyone else had this issue?
John Clark SV Annie SM 37 Water Island USVI
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Whole Boat Permanent Inverter for 220VAC 50Hz
There have been a couple of recent discussions about getting 220V aboard while plugged in to U.S. (North American) shore power and some of the considerations between the 50Hz/60Hz difference. While we've enjoyed Adagio's collection of adapters which allow easy connection to shore power pretty much anywhere, the 50Hz/60Hz consideration has been on my "list" for some time now.
I have been thinking over providing inverter power to the whole boat on a permanent basis and was wondering if anyone else has done this or considered it. It would mean installation of a large inverter (perhaps 4,000 watts, pure sine wave) and using that output exclusively to the boat's power input switchover box (where the shore power comes in now). The shore power would come aboard and run to the batter charger and nothing else. (The Genset and "magic switch" cutover would be the same).
So, then we would have 220VAC at 50Hz regardless of the situation of the shore power .. it would be a kind of power conditioner as well, smoothing the voltage and frequency if the shore power is shaky. I do see an advantage to this, as the battery charger can accept a wider range of voltage/Hz variance than the appliances.
The obvious downside is that the whole boat would be essentially powered by the battery bank. Shore power would come only to the battery charger, then get converted to 24VDC and then get inverted back to house power at 220VAC 50Hz. This is obviously less efficient and presents a potential additional battery drain should the Inverter be left on while underway .. although .. with wind and solar providing some power, the use of a 220VAC 50Hz appliance without the need to run the Generator could be a good advantage..
Oh, my .. it's quite a dilemma :)
Any thoughts on the idea?
Thanks kindly, Gary W.
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Zink Anode for SPURS Line Cutter
Dear Amelias
I suppose that the AMEL-Bonding will protect Line cutter without Zink-Anodes as well as the prop, and I don’t need to install. What is the Forums experience and opinion about my question? I am correct?
Best regards
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Re: Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?
Randall Walker
Thomas, There were 2 sets of Delrin bearings 1st set just under the bottom cap and the other in the top. My furler took 2 hands and great force to turn. Just like in the Delos video. If you look at the one picture you can see the place where the Delrin bushings in the cranking shaft with the gear, has eroded and that is where all of the stiffness is coming from. I can only say that the 2 holes in my furler bottom go all the way through. I intend to make a start to finish video of this. It was incredibly simple and now the furler moves like new. Cheers, Randall
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:21 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
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Re: water pressure regulator adjustment
Rink De Haan
The original amfa 66b inox is still available. I just remplaced the Marco pump I bought earlier and was not satisfied with, again with the original Alfa pump. So no worries.
Outlook voor iOS downloaden
Van: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> namens Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...>
Verzonden: Friday, May 15, 2020 10:14:05 PM Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] water pressure regulator adjustment I gave the screw 1.5 turns in the "+" direction and our water pressure is now better than ever.
We still have the original AMFA pump, so the regulator probably makes a big difference. When the pump dies, I'll probably replace a bunch of the fresh water system, but I'm going to keep it Amel-original as long as possible.
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:29 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Canvas
Paul Stascavage
Courtney
We had our whole Bimini replaced last November/December by topstitch. They did a good job. What is your email address and phone number? I will try to get them to reach out to you. All the Best, Paul Stascavage S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466 RitaKathryn.com Currently Cruising Bahamas
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Re: SM2K Genoa Jib Cart ANTAL 624.492/C Order pending in the US
#replacement
#spares
#order
Ryan Meador
The "other amel owner" is likely us. We ordered them from Euro Marine Trading about 2 weeks ago and delivery is expected in another week or so. That's the same price we were quoted. We're getting new genoa blocks as well (part 01201, $399/ea). Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:19 PM Michael & Robyn <SY_RIPPLE@...> wrote: Greetings!
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SM2K Genoa Jib Cart ANTAL 624.492/C Order pending in the US
#replacement
#spares
#order
Michael & Robyn
Greetings!
We are about to order spare ANTAL Genoa Jib Cart 624.492/C it is a custom build version of http://www.antal.it/eng/624-492_en We hear another AMEL owner is having an order pending too and we will get a good price approx. $360 per cart. Anybody else interested to join the order? -- Michael & Robyn SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417
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Re: water pressure regulator adjustment
Ryan Meador
I gave the screw 1.5 turns in the "+" direction and our water pressure is now better than ever. We still have the original AMFA pump, so the regulator probably makes a big difference. When the pump dies, I'll probably replace a bunch of the fresh water system, but I'm going to keep it Amel-original as long as possible. Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 4:29 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Upcoming Event: Zoom Meeting Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle - Sat, 05/16/2020 20:00-21:00, Please RSVP
#cal-reminder
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
Reminder: Zoom Meeting Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle When: Saturday, 16 May 2020, 20:00 to 21:00, (GMT+00:00) UTC Where:From La Rochelle, France aboard Amel 50 SPEED OF LIFE An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP Description: Group members Matt & Cindy Salatino will present their brand new Amel 50 #27 "Speed of Life" from the Amel pontoon in La Rochelle. Matt and Cindy will give us a virtual tour during this presentation and answer your questions at the end of the presentation. Tilo Peters will administer the ZOOM meeting and I suspect that things will run smoothly and be enjoyed by all attending. If you cannot use ZOOM (highly recommended that you try), Tilo set up a YouTube Live stream: https://youtu.be/Ffks9eEkGG4. The YouTube Live stream will likely be a bit off, as it seems to show my control view and not the speaker view that is normally transmitted via Zoom. Tilo will also record our meeting on YouTube which will be available 48-72 hours after the meeting. He will notify you when it is available. Direct link to Join the 16 May at 20:00 UTC - ZOOM Meeting https://epfl.zoom.us/j
Meeting ID: 985 2356 8530
Join by SIP 98523568530@...
If you missed our first ZOOM meeting, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/
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Re: European SM 240V looking to plug in 240V US Marina
Ryan Meador
On our boat, we did mostly as Eric says, but connected blue to red and brown to black. Since both of these wires are hot (120V with respect to ground, 240V with respect to each other), I don't think it matters which way you connect these two while on USA power. If the boat or appliances aren't able to handle it, it will be dangerous either way. Luckily, a stock Amel can handle it. Being a USA-based boat, we have the USA 50A male connector on the end of our power cord. When we were cruising in areas with European power, I built an adapter with a USA 50A female on one end and a European 32A male on the other (you have to plan ahead for this; I don't think any store on earth sells both connectors, not even in St Martin). That way I can just plug it in and not have to rewire the connector every time we go to a different island. You may want to consider something similar, except reversing the genders to preserve your European plug on the shore power cord. We also had our shore power cord upgraded to handle 32A while we were in Le Marin. The stock power cord is rated for 16A, I believe, despite the main breaker being rated for 32A (you can get the full 32A from the generator, but not from shore). When you're adding the breaker in the aft locker (highly recommended), you want to size it for the rating of your cord, not the main breaker. Even better would be adding the breaker inline in the adapter so it protects the entire length of the cord, but that seems harder to implement. Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:01 PM Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote: and, of course, do note that you will be getting US 60 Hz, not European 50 Hz.
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