Date   
Re: Furuno Weather Fax

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

James,   
They make OK dinghy anchors.
Then again, they are kind of bullet proof as legacy technology should you not have newer replacements and DIY weather forecasting is kind of cool if you're into that.
This is why they make chocolate and vanilla. 
Craig

Furuno Weather Fax

James Cromie
 

Hello everyone - 

I'd like to ask of those on the forum who uses their Weatherfax units?  I don't even know to use the one on my boat.  It seems to me that it may be a legacy item and no longer serves much use because of newer and less bulky technology.

I'd like to know how many of you use this!

Thanks!
James
Soteria SM347.  Le Marin

Re: Petrol questions/survey

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

On Nikimat (since you are new on the forum, will add lost during Hurricane Irma), I always store the gasoline “on” the deck (secure to the stanchions) never in the below storages (because of the gravity of the gasoline fume which would stay below and would risk to explode without using a blower).
Personally (but keep in mind I tend to overkill anything due to my little experience) I had 2 x 24 liter (almost 6 gallon) and 1 x 16 liter 2 cycle outboard tanks for my 15 hp 2 cycle Yamaha (I am sure this is more fuel than most other).
Just like Mark did, I also made Sunbrella cover for my 3 petrol tanks to protect from the sun.
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 6/16/19, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Date: Sunday, June 16, 2019, 12:55 PM


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#1 – We have three
5-gallon containers in addition to the 6
gallon container in the dinghy. This has proven to be ample
supply even in the
most remote areas.

#2 – Gas cans
are lashed on the starboard rail just aft of the forward
sail locker forward of
the pole. I made canvas covers since the cans are not UV
protected

#3 – In plastic
gas cans

#4 – I wouldn’t
dare drill extra holes in the hull. Not even a minor
consideration.

 

 

 

With best
regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel
- Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently
cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us


 



From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
[mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Chuck_Kim_Joy

Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 9:38 AM

To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol
questions/survey



 

Greetings All,

When I purchased my boat there were petrol/gasoline jugs in
the life boat
locker (life boat is on the stern). I thought this was
normal protocol and
stayed with it until now. After some reading and discussion
I now realize this
is not the safest way to store petrol. I have a 3gal in the
dinghy and a 6gal
stored to refill. I must say that a season in the Caribbean
I saw many many
Amels. Few had any fuel lashed to the stanchions. Would it
be okay to store
petrol in locker while on passage then crack the lid, prop
it up a bit and let
it vent while at anchor or get it out of there pronto! Now
the survey.



1. How much petrol do you store

2. Where do you store it

3. How do you store it

4. Has anyone made a capped vent hole in lifeboat locker
similar to propane
locker



Best Regards and thanks for your time.

Chuck

Joy #388

In Grenada W.I (what a season)!

Re: Petrol questions/survey

Mark Erdos
 

#1 – We have three 5-gallon containers in addition to the 6 gallon container in the dinghy. This has proven to be ample supply even in the most remote areas.

#2 – Gas cans are lashed on the starboard rail just aft of the forward sail locker forward of the pole. I made canvas covers since the cans are not UV protected

#3 – In plastic gas cans

#4 – I wouldn’t dare drill extra holes in the hull. Not even a minor consideration.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chuck_Kim_Joy
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 9:38 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey

 

Greetings All,
When I purchased my boat there were petrol/gasoline jugs in the life boat locker (life boat is on the stern). I thought this was normal protocol and stayed with it until now. After some reading and discussion I now realize this is not the safest way to store petrol. I have a 3gal in the dinghy and a 6gal stored to refill. I must say that a season in the Caribbean I saw many many Amels. Few had any fuel lashed to the stanchions. Would it be okay to store petrol in locker while on passage then crack the lid, prop it up a bit and let it vent while at anchor or get it out of there pronto! Now the survey.

1. How much petrol do you store
2. Where do you store it
3. How do you store it
4. Has anyone made a capped vent hole in lifeboat locker similar to propane locker

Best Regards and thanks for your time.
Chuck
Joy #388
In Grenada W.I (what a season)!

Re: Petrol questions/survey

Alan Grayson
 

I have  6gal for the dinghy and 5gal for refill. When at anchor the 6 gal is stored in the dinghy and the 5 gal is tied to lifelines. When underway the dinghy is lashed to the aft cabin top and the cans are lashed under the dinghy. I lash the cans to the transom of the dinghy before totally lowering the dinghy. I also remove the plug of the dinghy to allow any vapors to escape.
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Washington DC
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...>
Sent: Sunday, 16 June 2019 1:38:28 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Petrol questions/survey
 
Greetings All,
When I purchased my boat there were petrol/gasoline jugs in the life boat locker (life boat is on the stern). I thought this was normal protocol and stayed with it until now. After some reading and discussion I now realize this is not the safest way to store petrol. I have a 3gal in the dinghy and a 6gal stored to refill. I must say that a season in the Caribbean I saw many many Amels. Few had any fuel lashed to the stanchions. Would it be okay to store petrol in locker while on passage then crack the lid, prop it up a bit and let it vent while at anchor or get it out of there pronto! Now the survey.

1. How much petrol do you store
2. Where do you store it
3. How do you store it
4. Has anyone made a capped vent hole in lifeboat locker similar to propane locker

Best Regards and thanks for your time.
Chuck
Joy #388
In Grenada W.I (what a season)!

Re: Sailing /Rowing dinghy

ngtnewington Newington
 

I have a Caribe rib with 15hp, actually I have two 15’s and one 5. I want to sell one of the 15’s as that is crazy. So anyone interested let me know.
I have to say that over the years I have had a number of tenders. On my first boat it was a very solid GRP rowing dinghy. I was young and very strong then and would think nothing of rowing a mile each way. However since those days when I cruised on a shoestring I have a different horizon and expectations. 
I worked commercially running quite big vessels mostly with ribs and 25 hp Yamaha outboards. These boats are incredible work horses.

On an Amel  I would consider a solid rib with a 15 hp two stroke to be a formidable tool that can cope with quite a bit of weather and may well save your boat or your life and if you venture far it will pay for itself over and over. It is the family station wagon, it is the four wheel drive Landrover, the pick up truck. 
Do not skimp on a good dinghy if you go adventuring.

Nick

Amelia AML54-019 anchored off Corfu town


On 16 Jun 2019, at 19:16, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

One downside is that what you have will not propel your boat to safety when necessary. If you have considered this and are OK with it, fine. But, if you haven't considered this, you need to re-think. You are going to places that you will need to self-rescue, and/or move your boat when you have no wind and no motor. It is hard to beat all of the advantages of a traditional RIB with a 10-20hp 2 cycle motor. I know of 2 SMs which were moved away from dangerous situations with a dinghy lashed to the stern quarter.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:48 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all,
Last year we built a 11.5 ft sailing/rowing dinghy in hopes that it would work as a tender instead of carrying gasoline and gasoline motor(s).  RIBs are nearly impossible to row, can’t sail them, but they are very stable and carry 4 people easily.

The Dink we built is a Chesapeake Light Craft PassageMaker design that was originally sold as a nesting hull.  It’s 11.5 ft LOA , rows easily, and sails well.  When both parts are bolted together it only weighs ~95 lbs.  Sounds great so far, eh?

Here are the down sides:
*It doesn’t truly nest.  So we’re now storing 11.5ft of hull in two parts.  The bigger aft part sets nicely on the aft deck,  we weren’t comfortable lashing the bow section on the forward deck, so it ended up on the aft deck over the lazarette...so we can’t access the lazarette at sea without moving it.

*It is so lightly built that it bounces around pretty violently when alongside Kristy in any kind of chop.  It is also under built and we had to add strength to the bulkheads where the pieces bolt together because of cracks that developed at the joint between planks and bulkheads.

*The rig is a gunter style Marconi sloop with a small jib.  It takes about 45 min to rig and derig.  It sails well but can’t be reefed as currently set up.  With the gunter spar it would take a major overhaul to rig for reefing and it would be an involved process, not something that would be easy and quick. When rigged and not sailing the boom is in the way of rowing.  

*It will carry 4 adults, but doing that and sailing would be impossible, I think.

We bought a Torqeedo electric outboard which pushes her along adequately, but it isn’t built tough enough for daily use in salt water.

i guess we will have to go back to the RIB and gas outboard.  Hoping someone out there has experience with a great nesting dinghy that’s truly built for use as a cruising tender.  There are a couple others that look better than the CLC PassageMaker but probably have many of the same issues.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

Re: Sailing /Rowing dinghy

 

One downside is that what you have will not propel your boat to safety when necessary. If you have considered this and are OK with it, fine. But, if you haven't considered this, you need to re-think. You are going to places that you will need to self-rescue, and/or move your boat when you have no wind and no motor. It is hard to beat all of the advantages of a traditional RIB with a 10-20hp 2 cycle motor. I know of 2 SMs which were moved away from dangerous situations with a dinghy lashed to the stern quarter.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:48 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all,
Last year we built a 11.5 ft sailing/rowing dinghy in hopes that it would work as a tender instead of carrying gasoline and gasoline motor(s).  RIBs are nearly impossible to row, can’t sail them, but they are very stable and carry 4 people easily.

The Dink we built is a Chesapeake Light Craft PassageMaker design that was originally sold as a nesting hull.  It’s 11.5 ft LOA , rows easily, and sails well.  When both parts are bolted together it only weighs ~95 lbs.  Sounds great so far, eh?

Here are the down sides:
*It doesn’t truly nest.  So we’re now storing 11.5ft of hull in two parts.  The bigger aft part sets nicely on the aft deck,  we weren’t comfortable lashing the bow section on the forward deck, so it ended up on the aft deck over the lazarette...so we can’t access the lazarette at sea without moving it.

*It is so lightly built that it bounces around pretty violently when alongside Kristy in any kind of chop.  It is also under built and we had to add strength to the bulkheads where the pieces bolt together because of cracks that developed at the joint between planks and bulkheads.

*The rig is a gunter style Marconi sloop with a small jib.  It takes about 45 min to rig and derig.  It sails well but can’t be reefed as currently set up.  With the gunter spar it would take a major overhaul to rig for reefing and it would be an involved process, not something that would be easy and quick. When rigged and not sailing the boom is in the way of rowing.  

*It will carry 4 adults, but doing that and sailing would be impossible, I think.

We bought a Torqeedo electric outboard which pushes her along adequately, but it isn’t built tough enough for daily use in salt water.

i guess we will have to go back to the RIB and gas outboard.  Hoping someone out there has experience with a great nesting dinghy that’s truly built for use as a cruising tender.  There are a couple others that look better than the CLC PassageMaker but probably have many of the same issues.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

Sailing /Rowing dinghy

karkauai
 

Hi all,
Last year we built a 11.5 ft sailing/rowing dinghy in hopes that it would work as a tender instead of carrying gasoline and gasoline motor(s).  RIBs are nearly impossible to row, can’t sail them, but they are very stable and carry 4 people easily.

The Dink we built is a Chesapeake Light Craft PassageMaker design that was originally sold as a nesting hull.  It’s 11.5 ft LOA , rows easily, and sails well.  When both parts are bolted together it only weighs ~95 lbs.  Sounds great so far, eh?

Here are the down sides:
*It doesn’t truly nest.  So we’re now storing 11.5ft of hull in two parts.  The bigger aft part sets nicely on the aft deck,  we weren’t comfortable lashing the bow section on the forward deck, so it ended up on the aft deck over the lazarette...so we can’t access the lazarette at sea without moving it.

*It is so lightly built that it bounces around pretty violently when alongside Kristy in any kind of chop.  It is also under built and we had to add strength to the bulkheads where the pieces bolt together because of cracks that developed at the joint between planks and bulkheads.

*The rig is a gunter style Marconi sloop with a small jib.  It takes about 45 min to rig and derig.  It sails well but can’t be reefed as currently set up.  With the gunter spar it would take a major overhaul to rig for reefing and it would be an involved process, not something that would be easy and quick. When rigged and not sailing the boom is in the way of rowing.  

*It will carry 4 adults, but doing that and sailing would be impossible, I think.

We bought a Torqeedo electric outboard which pushes her along adequately, but it isn’t built tough enough for daily use in salt water.

i guess we will have to go back to the RIB and gas outboard.  Hoping someone out there has experience with a great nesting dinghy that’s truly built for use as a cruising tender.  There are a couple others that look better than the CLC PassageMaker but probably have many of the same issues.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

Re: Petrol questions/survey

karkauai
 

6 gallon tank in dinghy (15HP 2-stroke Yamaha), tied to lifeline/stanchion by the s boarding ladder on passage.
3gal stored in starboard aft cockpit locker.  No special vent.

Hoping to find the right sailing/ rowing dinghy to eliminate gasoline and gasoline engines altogether.  Nesting with simple rig easy to set up and break down.  I’ll post a question about this under an appropriate topic name.

 Bought a Torqeedo electric outboard, but not really built for heavy cruiser use on a tender in our opinion.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 16, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

1. 6 gal. when full. 2. any locker but usually aft; in dinghy when it's not on deck. 3. in the tank, which does not leak. 4. nope

Re: supplemental downwind sailing configuration for Super Maramu

James Cromie
 

Thanks for your input Joerg.  
Do you happen to know how many square meters your cruising code zero is?  
What factors  led you to choose a code zero versus an asymmetrical spinnaker? 

Thanks again, 
James

On Jun 16, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

On my 55, i have a cruising code zero on a Factor 4500 top down furler.   It is not necessary to have a bow sprit for this sail.  It attaches to the anchor fitting.  It’s just enough forward of the genoa that it does not interfere with it but it often touches it.  Top down furlers are temperamental beasts.  It takes some tweaking. You have to have A LOT of halyard tension to furl- otherwise it will not furl properly.  I tighten the halyard with my Harken 46 winch in slow gear - the more I lean on it the better.  You have to have a good system that prevents the furling line from running free.  I have a Selden double cam block which works great.   But still, it’s tricky to make it work.  Yesterday the lazy sheet rapped around the furler.  I had to unfurl and start again.  But it’s worth it to have the sail -  it will get the boat going in swells and create apparent wind - I would get it again only maybe a bit bigger.  

Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Doug Green
 

Another sure fire way is a CO2 fire extinguisher aimed generally in the direction of the air intake. Advantages are you don’t have to get too close ( in case of a runaway engine there is a chance it will throw a connecting rod) and the engine will be completely recoverable as only gas has entered the air intake/turbo etc.

Doug
Prospective owner SM 1997-2003

On 16 Jun 2019, at 04:39, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

I found the plastic Amel logo coffee cups work perfectly for blocking off the air intake.
I am certain Captain Henri designed them that way. 
Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris

Re: Petrol questions/survey

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

1. 6 gal. when full. 2. any locker but usually aft; in dinghy when it's not on deck. 3. in the tank, which does not leak. 4. nope

Petrol questions/survey

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Greetings All,
When I purchased my boat there were petrol/gasoline jugs in the life boat locker (life boat is on the stern). I thought this was normal protocol and stayed with it until now. After some reading and discussion I now realize this is not the safest way to store petrol. I have a 3gal in the dinghy and a 6gal stored to refill. I must say that a season in the Caribbean I saw many many Amels. Few had any fuel lashed to the stanchions. Would it be okay to store petrol in locker while on passage then crack the lid, prop it up a bit and let it vent while at anchor or get it out of there pronto! Now the survey.

1. How much petrol do you store
2. Where do you store it
3. How do you store it
4. Has anyone made a capped vent hole in lifeboat locker similar to propane locker

Best Regards and thanks for your time.
Chuck
Joy #388
In Grenada W.I (what a season)!

Re: supplemental downwind sailing configuration for Super Maramu

Joerg Esdorn
 

On my 55, i have a cruising code zero on a Factor 4500 top down furler.   It is not necessary to have a bow sprit for this sail.  It attaches to the anchor fitting.  It’s just enough forward of the genoa that it does not interfere with it but it often touches it.  Top down furlers are temperamental beasts.  It takes some tweaking. You have to have A LOT of halyard tension to furl- otherwise it will not furl properly.  I tighten the halyard with my Harken 46 winch in slow gear - the more I lean on it the better.  You have to have a good system that prevents the furling line from running free.  I have a Selden double cam block which works great.   But still, it’s tricky to make it work.  Yesterday the lazy sheet rapped around the furler.  I had to unfurl and start again.  But it’s worth it to have the sail -  it will get the boat going in swells and create apparent wind - I would get it again only maybe a bit bigger.  

Re: Rigid Propeller Santorin

Bernd Spanner
 

Hi Gerhard! I have the same sticker. Engine is a VP MD22L.

Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

I found the plastic Amel logo coffee cups work perfectly for blocking off the air intake.
I am certain Captain Henri designed them that way. 
Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris

Re: gross and net tonnage

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Dennis,

Oh my, I'm not quite sure how to reply, but you seem still to be totally misunderstanding this measurement.

Displacement is indeed, as you note, the weight of the boat. It is indeed equal to the weight of the water displaced and like that.  But the Gross and Net tons on your documentation have absolutely and positively nothing whatsoever to do with what your boar weighs or the weight of the water it displaces or anything of the like.  The USCG Simplified Measurement scheme is NOT trying to estimate what your boat weighs (or the weight of the water it displaces). Displacement and registered "tonnage" (Gross and Net) are apples and oranges.

Yes, the system did evolve from measurements to collect taxes from cargo carrying vessels based on cargo-carrying capacity but it is not "off" for sailboats - it is totally consistent for all documented vessels. It is what the USCG specifies it to be.  It is defined very clearly by them. It is not "off" - it is oranges, even if you want it to be apples. 

That some sailboat owners have issues with the "difference" points out those sailboat owners lack of understanding of the apples and oranges difference. Those owners want it to be weight (apples) but it is actually volume (oranges). And, of course, sailboat owners, being parsimonious CARBS (Cheap Ass Rag Baggers, like me), always want to pay less in port fees with a lower Tonnage. (Which is not to say that if yours is overstated you shouldn't correct it - but it still has nothing to do with what the travel lift scale says.)

So, the point I'm afraid you're missing is what the Coast Guard so clearly points out. Namely, that Gross and Net Tons are a measure of cargo carrying volume and should not be confused with displacement or weight.  You seem still to be confusing those when you say the formula is "so far off", because the formula is absolutely not trying to come up with the weight of the boat or an estimate thereof.  It is estimating the cargo carry volume of your vessel in some historic 100 cu foot units that the government has adopted as standard for all documented vessels.

Not sure I can put a finer point on this and fear I may already have put too fine a point on it. Gross and Net Tons on your USCG documentation have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what your boat weighs. You may want to reread the USCG document to get your head around this.

Respectfully,
Craig SN68 Sangaris USCG Registered Gross Tons 31, Net Tons 28, Displacement Tons (weight) about 11 Tons. 

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Brent,

  Thanks for sharing your own experiences with this issue and all of your points make sense.  From what I am learning about this issue it is the Airlines here in Canada not wanting to be liable.  I am thinking of calling Air France on Monday and just laying the whole issue out to them to see what solution they suggest.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220 

On Jun 15, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

The easiest way to avoid the airport hassle or immigration constraints is to purchase a fully refundable one-way return airline ticket within the visa dates. Once you are in your location, refund the ticket. 

If you time the purchase correctly, you will not even have to pay for the ticket on your credit card since it can be refunded within the same billing cycle.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Cameron
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 5:38 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
  • Hi James. My wife Jen and I are in a similar situation right now.  We flew out of Pearson but we were on Azores Airlines. We’re flying back out of Vienna on TAP so no cross linkages at all. Nobody in the EU seems to care how long we were there for as we were never asked how long we were staying and we crossed into and out of the EU and Schengen zone many, many times (Azores - flight, UK - flight, Austria - flight, Romania - flight, Austria - flight, Hungary - car, Slovenia - car, Italy - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Montenegro - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car so far :-).   The passports get stamped with an entry and exit date every time but no “visa” or restrictions. I’m guessing they’d give you grief only if you over stayed your welcome. The Europeans are far more organized than the US, Canada or UK in that they also do exit checks and demand that hotels and B&B’s report your presence on a nightly basis.   There are signs as you enter Croatia and Montenegro that say as much but frankly they aren’t very uptight about any of it. Gazillions of tourists here and it’s going to get far worse in July/August so I suspect they have far better things to do than hassle you. Air Canada shouldn’t care on the outbound leg and if Austria didn’t care about any of our one way Ryan Air tickets in and out (being Uber efficient Germanic types) I can’t imagine you’ll have any issues anywhere else. I saw the same thing flying into Lisbon and Barcelona on TAP last fall.. I had an outbound ticket on Ryan Air to Stansted but they never even asked about it.  Good luck!
 
Brent
On Jun 15, 2019, 11:09 AM +0200, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>, wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
   Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris.  I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.
 
   I do have another question to anyone that can help.  We have round trip tickets  via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days.   We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro  (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit.  I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit.  Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution?  My tickets are non-refundable.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi James;
 
Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...
 
Let me know if you need any further information
 
Respectfully;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 
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Mohammad and Aty,
 
   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.
 
Best,
 
James and Joann
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource. 
 
There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo 
AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  
 
  James
 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james, 
 
The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 
 
The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.
 
We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.
 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad And Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty 
 
  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james; 
 
There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.
 
This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.
 
Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad, 
 
   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?
 
Thanks,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.
 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece 
 
 
 
 
 

-- 
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Mark,

   This sounds like some great advice.  I am not sure with all of the fine print of how to insure that a ticket is truly fully refundable but I will check into this.   As it turns out we have a 5 plus hour layover before the international portion of the flight.  Is it important to have the refundable ticket in hand or could this be done during our layover to satisfy the officials in the event that there is a “hassle”?

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 15, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

The easiest way to avoid the airport hassle or immigration constraints is to purchase a fully refundable one-way return airline ticket within the visa dates. Once you are in your location, refund the ticket. 

If you time the purchase correctly, you will not even have to pay for the ticket on your credit card since it can be refunded within the same billing cycle.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
 
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Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 5:38 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
  • Hi James. My wife Jen and I are in a similar situation right now.  We flew out of Pearson but we were on Azores Airlines. We’re flying back out of Vienna on TAP so no cross linkages at all. Nobody in the EU seems to care how long we were there for as we were never asked how long we were staying and we crossed into and out of the EU and Schengen zone many, many times (Azores - flight, UK - flight, Austria - flight, Romania - flight, Austria - flight, Hungary - car, Slovenia - car, Italy - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Montenegro - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car so far :-).   The passports get stamped with an entry and exit date every time but no “visa” or restrictions. I’m guessing they’d give you grief only if you over stayed your welcome. The Europeans are far more organized than the US, Canada or UK in that they also do exit checks and demand that hotels and B&B’s report your presence on a nightly basis.   There are signs as you enter Croatia and Montenegro that say as much but frankly they aren’t very uptight about any of it. Gazillions of tourists here and it’s going to get far worse in July/August so I suspect they have far better things to do than hassle you. Air Canada shouldn’t care on the outbound leg and if Austria didn’t care about any of our one way Ryan Air tickets in and out (being Uber efficient Germanic types) I can’t imagine you’ll have any issues anywhere else. I saw the same thing flying into Lisbon and Barcelona on TAP last fall.. I had an outbound ticket on Ryan Air to Stansted but they never even asked about it.  Good luck!
 
Brent
On Jun 15, 2019, 11:09 AM +0200, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>, wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
   Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris.  I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.
 
   I do have another question to anyone that can help.  We have round trip tickets  via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days.   We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro  (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit.  I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit.  Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution?  My tickets are non-refundable.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi James;
 
Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...
 
Let me know if you need any further information
 
Respectfully;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
Mohammad and Aty,
 
   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.
 
Best,
 
James and Joann
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource. 
 
There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo 
AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  
 
  James
 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james, 
 
The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 
 
The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.
 
We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.
 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad And Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty 
 
  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james; 
 
There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.
 
This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.
 
Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad, 
 
   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?
 
Thanks,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.
 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece 
 
 
 
 
 

-- 
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

James Alton
 

Rob,

   Danny’s advice about not using your hand should be heeded, guess how I know!  I had to smother a diesel once that broke all of it’s mounts plus the coupling so was laying on it’s side still running.  It was laying on the controls and the injection pump so the controls were jammed and there was no way to reach the shutdown lever.  This was a delivery nightmare situation and I don’t think the boat even had a fuel shutoff or at least not one that I could find.  What I learned from trying to strangle a diesel is that it is not easy.  I put a towel  folded multiple times over the intake and the engine did not even seem to change rpm  (it was at idle thankfully).  What worked was to wrap the towel as tightly as possible, shove it as far into the intake as I could, then twist the towel... and then add the now bruised hand over the top  to finish it off.   As has been mentioned, you sure would not want any part of the towel to get into a turbo or maybe under an intake valve so using a towel or rag might be a bad idea.  In retrospect a firm pc. of rubber sheet or something that could be placed over the intake would probably be a better idea.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 15, 2019, at 8:18 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Rob,

if that doesn't work blocking the air intake will. However do this with care, and NOT with your hand ( you will be injured) and NOT with a rag. (it is likely to finish up inside where you don't want it). A flat piece of timber works
Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 16 June 2019 at 08:47 "Rob Hughes via Groups.Io" <svluna01@...> wrote:

I am the one with the runaway motor. i tried the The lever on the side of the injector pump i held it over for a while but it did nothing.