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Re: BowThruster Microswitches

Teun BAAS
 

Doug,

 

I got them from AMEL directly.

 

Best Regards Teun

A54 2009 #128

October 7, 2020 11:46:19

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Smith via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:29
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Calendar <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] BowThruster Microswitches

 

Has anyone been able to find the magnetic microswitches on the bowthruster?  I am attaching a picture of them. 
Made by Shield, FFV 810C6X.

Tough to find someone who will sell them.

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Deltaville, VA USA


Re: BowThruster Microswitches

 

Doug,

Sensors Part: FFV-807A6X or FFV-810C6X from TSII Inc. (https://tsii-connectors.com/) Contact Thomas
Shook <tsiiinc@...> or Amel: SAV@...
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 1:29 PM Doug Smith via groups.io <dugsmith98=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Has anyone been able to find the magnetic microswitches on the bowthruster?  I am attaching a picture of them. 
Made by Shield, FFV 810C6X.

Tough to find someone who will sell them.

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Deltaville, VA USA


BowThruster Microswitches

Doug Smith
 

Has anyone been able to find the magnetic microswitches on the bowthruster?  I am attaching a picture of them. 
Made by Shield, FFV 810C6X.

Tough to find someone who will sell them.

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Deltaville, VA USA


Re: Sea Chest

 

Mark,

Below will help you understand what Amel originally did on your SM:
image.png

This will help you understand generally what Amel does today with PVC manifolds and some other ideas for you:
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 12:44 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I am looking for some ideas to redo the sea chest. I am pretty sure the unit I have is not factory since an additional water maker was added by the previous owner. Also, my current unit is polypropylene pipe and I have read about corrosion being an issue on other Amels. So, I have no idea how Amel originally designed this.

 

Coming off the Vetus strainer, I have independent direct connections to the generator and engine. The third goes to a one-way flow valve, a shut-off valve and then to a pipe with outlets for air conditioning, heads/anchor wash, water maker one, and water maker two. There are no independent shut-off valves for each of these four outlets.

I am wondering if anyone has tackled this project and can give me some pointers regarding design and placement.

 

I would like something that is easy to clean and has individual valves for each outlet. Thoughts?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Sea Chest

Mark Erdos
 

I am looking for some ideas to redo the sea chest. I am pretty sure the unit I have is not factory since an additional water maker was added by the previous owner. Also, my current unit is polypropylene pipe and I have read about corrosion being an issue on other Amels. So, I have no idea how Amel originally designed this.

 

Coming off the Vetus strainer, I have independent direct connections to the generator and engine. The third goes to a one-way flow valve, a shut-off valve and then to a pipe with outlets for air conditioning, heads/anchor wash, water maker one, and water maker two. There are no independent shut-off valves for each of these four outlets.

I am wondering if anyone has tackled this project and can give me some pointers regarding design and placement.

 

I would like something that is easy to clean and has individual valves for each outlet. Thoughts?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Dive Compressor mounting on SM

Paul Guenette
 

Hi Tom,

I am not sure if you have seen this before ?  But just in case you have not seen it, it might help you.

http://supermaramu2000.com/scuba_compressor_bauer_junior.html

fair winds, Paul 
Aramis  SM 2000 - 444
Comox,  BC, Canada


Re: Inverter grounding and other details

Jose Venegas
 

Hi Bob,
Thank you for your replay.  I think your approach is OK, particularly for a small inverter.  However, for a 5KW inverter, I also want to run pretty much all the 220V devices in the boat (obviously not at the same time). The inverter will be located next to the battery bank to minimize the distance to the batteries and make sure the inverter is in a dry place.  I already had the experience of having a saltwater leak which sprayed over the desalinator high-pressure pump (which shortly after died) the battery chargers and most of the pumps. I plan to place a Plexiglas barrier protecting the battery chargers similar to that which will be used to protect Kamela Harris tonight from the vice-president Corona virus spary ;). 

  Also, by connecting the inverter 220V output to an outlet identical to those used by the two shore power outlets, it will be connected to all the 220V devices that are run with shore power and generator without having to modify any of the AC wirings of the boat and will use the RCD of the "white box".  I find it unnecessary to add a second RCD at the outlet of the inverter for the same reason that there is no RCD between the shore power and the "white box".  With this approach, I can manually change the plug between any of the two shore power outlets (as currently possible) or the inverter outlet that will be installed in that box.  In addition, while I was charging the current AGM batteries with shore power and monitoring the current into the batteries, I turned on the generator and observed that the charging current went temporarily to zero before it restarted with the generator. This means that the relay switch does exactly what your 3 position switch.  It disconnects the power input to the "white box" before turning on the power from the generator.   Obviously, I will not be using the battery chargers while the plug is connected to the inverter outlet (the new outlet I plan to add to the "white box") but I could be using any of the other devices inadvertently.  In case I want to charge the batteries with the generator I will be turning off the inverter before I turn on the generator. and then turn on the battery chargers.  This will prevent that I inadvertently leave the battery chargers running on inverter power after I turn off the generator by forcing me to make sure the battery chargers are off any time I turn on the inverter.

I want to clarify that I will be installing an inverter and NOT and inverter charger which brings other complications to the problem, particularly when using shore power with 60 Hz.

Still, I what to know what people have done with the AC grounding of the inverter. (leave it disconnected or connected to the battery negative cable

I will be adding pix once I have concluded and tested the new system

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM 278
   


Re: Tender Amel 54

 

Granddaughter "BeBe" with me at an anchorage somewhere:
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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 4:25 PM Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 01:49 PM, Teun BAAS wrote:
In reference to last paragraph below: since a buddy boat had his (not so expensive) tender “stolen” during the night in PORT VILA, VANUATU I ALWAYS raise my tender in the davits during the night – it is not “passage secured” but just swinging in the davits. I have seen OCT’s on boats w/o davits hanging during the night on a halyard on the side – very easy to do as they are so light.
Teun, that's the 2nd Rule of the Caribbean:  'Lift it, Lock it or Lose it". 
1st Rule, of course, is "De biggest boat got de right o' way, mon!"

We use the balooner halyard for hoisting on the side - easy peasy.
 Cheers


Re: Tender Amel 54

Craig Briggs
 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 01:49 PM, Teun BAAS wrote:
In reference to last paragraph below: since a buddy boat had his (not so expensive) tender “stolen” during the night in PORT VILA, VANUATU I ALWAYS raise my tender in the davits during the night – it is not “passage secured” but just swinging in the davits. I have seen OCT’s on boats w/o davits hanging during the night on a halyard on the side – very easy to do as they are so light.
Teun, that's the 2nd Rule of the Caribbean:  'Lift it, Lock it or Lose it". 
1st Rule, of course, is "De biggest boat got de right o' way, mon!"

We use the balooner halyard for hoisting on the side - easy peasy.
 Cheers


The Onan High Temperature sensors are here

eric freedman
 

Hi Amelians,

The Onan High Temperature sensors are here.

Please send checks as per my email to you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Tender Amel 54

Teun BAAS
 

In reference to last paragraph below: since a buddy boat had his (not so expensive) tender “stolen” during the night in PORT VILA, VANUATU I ALWAYS raise my tender in the davits during the night – it is not “passage secured” but just swinging in the davits. I have seen OCT’s on boats w/o davits hanging during the night on a halyard on the side – very easy to do as they are so light.

 

Finally – don’t underestimate the importance of having the lines of your davits hanging exactly straight down and NOT in an angle from the davits to the tender. It is amazing how quickly even Dyneema chafes thru in a rolly sea; I had the stern davit line breaking on a 1 week old HIGHFIELD during 30 plus knots of wind against the swell on passage from NEW CALEDONIA to TANNA, VANUTUA. We were able to re-rig/secure the dinghy but it was NOT cool. The beauty of the OCT is that Russell will ask you for the exact distance between the davit lines and then makes sure the Dyneema hook up straps will be at the right place. Since then I never had a problem with the davit lines chafing.  

 

Best Regards Teun

A54 2009 #128

October 6, 2020 11:45:08

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ngtnewington Newington via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammad,

 

Yes I slept on the problem. It turned out I needed to back out the arms at the top furling swivel. My top lashing on the genoa broke and the tension on the halyard jammed the swivel right up to the black plastic stopper. It would not tap down until the arms were backed out and then it was fine. The problem was that I was alone, but I managed to find a helpful yachtsman to winch me up. The lashings are now all dyneema.

 

The tender is the Caribe L9 with 15 HP 4 stroke. It can only just plane with four people on board. It hauls up on my solar stern arch and is absolutely fine in all weather. However for ocean passages I put the outboard in the stern locker and store it upside down on the aft coach roof. It just fits without fouling the mizzen sheet.

 

It is a good ride and very sea worthy. Being smaller than your current one there is no problem with it overhanging port and starboard, and as you can see the stern passerelle goes over it if it is lowered.

I must say I do like the look of the NZ hard tenders, the only problem is the price and of course theft.

 

Nick 

S/Y Amelia, AML 54-019

 

 

 

On 6 Oct 2020, at 17:39, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Nick. I do recall the anchorage where we met. I think you were having some issues with your Genoa. I think you figured it out the solution in your sleep at night.

 

What size and model Caribe do you have? How does it fit on the Davits and how’s the ride in chop and breeze? We usually take long excursions either exploring or going for dives, kite surfing etc.

 

Hope to see you in another anchorage in the future.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ngtnewington Newington via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:04 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammad, Hi Aty,

 

We very briefly met as you were leaving  when we were both anchored off Corfu town last summer.

 

I bought Amelia with her Caribe included and it is still going strong. Hypalon pontoons and GRP rigid hull. I highly recommend this brand.

 

In my opinion Hypalon is well worth the extra expense. I also believe that if you have the habit of leaving an aluminium hulled rib in the water the whole time corrosion and adhesion of the pontoons to the hull can be a problem. If however you are in the habit of hoisting the dinghy on your davits every evening that may not be a consideration. 

 

Nick

 

S/V Amelia AML54-019

Ashore Leros.

 

 

On 6 Oct 2020, at 07:47, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099 

 

 


Re: Inverter grounding and other details

rossirossix4
 
Edited

Hi Jose,
We installed a 63 amp, 660V, 3 position rotary switch.  The left position connects all 3 wires coming from the autoswitch that will give you shore power or generator, the middle position has no connections of the 3 wires and the right position switches all 3 wires coming from the inverter. The 3 wire output goes directly to the input terminals of the "white box" AC panel above the sink.

Earlier I had posted a full explanation of the installation and the advantages of it.  The Amel posting also has links to pics of the installation---

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/49150?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,kaimi,20,2,0,46195362

A link to photos of the installation are in the posting--  https://photos.app.goo.gl/xoac3UQCHckm7TPN8   The old link to eBay for the switch itself is no longer valid but here is a current link https://www.amazon.com/Baomain-Universal-Changeover-SZW26-63-Position/dp/B01IZ5ZFYC

Even though I had the parts and a plan, and the tools, we had the installation completed using a marine technician at Manoel Island Boatyard in Malta.  In my opinion having an professional expert involved is worth it for safety reasons.  He required an RCD installed immediately after the 220V exited the inverter (even though it went only about 3 feet to the "white box" AC which also has an RCD.  The installation also required an appropriately sized DC breaker just before the inverter (ABYC requirement which you can Google).

Let me know if you have questions.

Bob, KAIMI  SM 429


Re: Tender Amel 54

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Mohammad,

Yes I slept on the problem. It turned out I needed to back out the arms at the top furling swivel. My top lashing on the genoa broke and the tension on the halyard jammed the swivel right up to the black plastic stopper. It would not tap down until the arms were backed out and then it was fine. The problem was that I was alone, but I managed to find a helpful yachtsman to winch me up. The lashings are now all dyneema.

The tender is the Caribe L9 with 15 HP 4 stroke. It can only just plane with four people on board. It hauls up on my solar stern arch and is absolutely fine in all weather. However for ocean passages I put the outboard in the stern locker and store it upside down on the aft coach roof. It just fits without fouling the mizzen sheet.

It is a good ride and very sea worthy. Being smaller than your current one there is no problem with it overhanging port and starboard, and as you can see the stern passerelle goes over it if it is lowered.
I must say I do like the look of the NZ hard tenders, the only problem is the price and of course theft.

Nick 
S/Y Amelia, AML 54-019



On 6 Oct 2020, at 17:39, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Thanks Nick. I do recall the anchorage where we met. I think you were having some issues with your Genoa. I think you figured it out the solution in your sleep at night.
 
What size and model Caribe do you have? How does it fit on the Davits and how’s the ride in chop and breeze? We usually take long excursions either exploring or going for dives, kite surfing etc.
 
Hope to see you in another anchorage in the future.
 
Happy Sailing;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ngtnewington Newington via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:04 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54
 
Hi Mohammad, Hi Aty,
 
We very briefly met as you were leaving  when we were both anchored off Corfu town last summer.
 
I bought Amelia with her Caribe included and it is still going strong. Hypalon pontoons and GRP rigid hull. I highly recommend this brand.
 
In my opinion Hypalon is well worth the extra expense. I also believe that if you have the habit of leaving an aluminium hulled rib in the water the whole time corrosion and adhesion of the pontoons to the hull can be a problem. If however you are in the habit of hoisting the dinghy on your davits every evening that may not be a consideration. 
 
Nick
 
S/V Amelia AML54-019
Ashore Leros.
 
 
On 6 Oct 2020, at 07:47, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?
Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099 
 



Re: Tender Amel 54

Arnold Mente
 

Hi Mohammad and Aty,

actual I have a Plastimo 270 Hypalon wit GRP bottom and 6 HP Evinrude. Because I am sailing alone, it is important for me to have it easy to handle. Long distances, heavy weather I keep on deck and it fits between my mizzen traveller and mast. In the davids, I have a construction from La Rochelle. It works in some marina to lift it down and use the pasarella above and take care for your head. The SM space for rib is more less than at 54. I attach a picture. The last 20 years I put a lot of dingys in rubbish. The last on my previous boat was a Caribe L9 and and it was ecellent but get sold with my boat. the reason now for Plastimo was only the price under 2k € and Hypalon. If money is not important but the quality Pischel is my favorite. They will ask you the placing for the lifting hooks that it fit to your davids, the color of the tubes and everything you want. Final you have a rib personalized and not like everyone.

Arnold
SV Zephyr
SM 203


Am 06.10.2020 um 18:42 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:

Thanks Arnold.
 
Which manufacturer, model and size did you end up? What size outboard? What has been your general experience in ride, comfort dryness etc.?
 
Happy Sailing;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arnold Mente via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 3:33 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54
 
Hi, here my personal ranking in quality:
 
Company                                                                             Prod. in
 
1. R.I.B. Line Pischel (D)                 Germany
2. Caribe                                                                              Venezuela
3. AB                                                                     Colombia
4. ZAR Tender (I)                                              China
5. Highfield (AU)                                               China
6. Nautend (GR)                                China
7. Zodiac (F)                                                       China
8. 3D-Tender (F)                                               China
9. Plastimo (F)                                                   China
 
All manufactures offering Hypalon, the first 3 only Hypalon!
 
Best 
 
Arnold
SV Zephyr
SM 203
 
Am 06.10.2020 um 10:09 schrieb Ian Park <parkianj@...>:
 
My PVC dinghy suffered and expired in the Caribbean and we were recommended Highfield which we bought in hypalon. Pleased with it although no longer in the Caribbean. If headed there, most cruisers fit ‘chaps’ which IMO are worth the expense ( also an engine ‘chap’). Hypalon seems to be the best choice for tropical climate. 


Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

North Wales
 
 

-- 
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203 



--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Tender Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Teun. Great information.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Mohammad,

 

Same here – 2020 completely shot as far as sailing. I wouldn’t be surprised if even Q2 2021 is optimistic for AUSTRALIA as I believe they will first have a 2 or 3 months travel bubble between NZ and OZ before even contemplating opening to the rest of the world. Even when that happens I wouldn’t be surprised travel originating from or coming via USA to be getting “special” attention/rules. .

 

I got the OC350 = 350 centimeters with the Delta panel; ladder; beachmaster wheels (absolutely fantastic); AMEL color coordinated burgundy rub rail; nav lights etc. etc.

They also have a full Carbon version which I did NOT order and I believe, since recently, a sailing dinghy.

 

Advantages:

 

  1. Karin and Russell are SUPER, SUPER, SUPER nice & easy going but highly professional people; a pleasure to work with.
  2. Very high freeboard; meaning ladies (and you) will not have a wet butt on arrival for lunch or dinner in the marina and/or your groceries will remain dry in choppy waters.
  3. Holds a lot of people and cargo
  4. Really planes extremely fast with only 15HP outboard; even with 4 adults on board. In fact OCT strongly discourages any outboard bigger than 15HP.
  5. Weight is only 48kg – was one of the main considerations especially after experiencing problems coming back from a nice & relaxed dinner at night on low tide and having a hard time getting the dinghy back in the water. Especially when you are old, feeble (hahahahaha) & alone or with a female companion.
  6. Lots & lots of (out of sight) storage
  7. Comes standard with 2 seats which also double as PFD’s
  8. Comes standard with 2 paddles; stored out of sight.
  9. Outboard tank and dinghy anchor can be stored (out of sight) in the bow under & around the bow compartment (open net) with a special vertical net to keep it there.
  10. Very effective anti-skid material on the railing, floor, bow etc.
  11. Comes with Dyneema bow & stern hook ups/points custom designed & placed for your davits.
  12. They can make custom adjustments if you require.

 

Disadvantages:

 

  1. Expensive
  2. Waiting time as custom made & to order ONLY. They don’t build “inventory” boats.
  3. Having to ship to your destination – they will handle for you as long as you pay 😊
  4. Did I mention expensive???

 

But absolutely worth it – I think, after having had 4 dinghies within 18 months before the OCT, I am qualified to tell the difference. BTW – the very first dinghy, which was on board when I got the boat, I loved the best as long as I was on anchor but just didn’t make sense to have on the boat during passage: a brand-new (6hrs) old, huge HIGHFIELD center console with 50HP HONDA outboard. Total listed weight 295KG while the davits are rated for 300KG. I suspected the 295KG listed weight for the dinghy to be w/o the 35 liter gas which would have put it well over the rated 300KG for the davits.

 

Check the OCT website and, in case you order, pls say hi to Karin for me.

 

Best Regards Teun

A54 2009 #128

October 6, 2020 10:01:32

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 09:06
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Teun;

 

Nice to hear from you. We’re in the same “boat”. Have not been at the boat since October 2019 and hopeful that 2021 season will not be affected by COVID.

 

Which model of the offshore cruising tender did you end up with and what do you feel are the advantages over the inflatable ones?

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad Shirloo

+1-323-633-2222  Cell

+1-424-644-0908  Fax

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Aty & Mohammad,

 

Hope you guys are doing well with this COVID situation – I am not sure when I can get back to the boat in AUSTRALIA but I don’t think it will be before Q2 2021.

 

Although you asked about the HIGHFIELD just wanted to share since I know you appreciate (very) high quality stuff. 😊

 

I had 5 tenders in 18 months – 2 of them were HIGHFIELDS; I will save you the story.

Best dinghy, bar none, is the Offshore Cruising Tenders. They are located in NZ and only custom build. Expensive but, in my opinion, well worth the extra $$$$$

 

https://octenders.co.nz

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT – A54 #128

October 6, 2020 07:12:44

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 23:48
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


Re: Tender Amel 54

Teun BAAS
 

Mohammad,

 

Same here – 2020 completely shot as far as sailing. I wouldn’t be surprised if even Q2 2021 is optimistic for AUSTRALIA as I believe they will first have a 2 or 3 months travel bubble between NZ and OZ before even contemplating opening to the rest of the world. Even when that happens I wouldn’t be surprised travel originating from or coming via USA to be getting “special” attention/rules. .

 

I got the OC350 = 350 centimeters with the Delta panel; ladder; beachmaster wheels (absolutely fantastic); AMEL color coordinated burgundy rub rail; nav lights etc. etc.

They also have a full Carbon version which I did NOT order and I believe, since recently, a sailing dinghy.

 

Advantages:

 

  1. Karin and Russell are SUPER, SUPER, SUPER nice & easy going but highly professional people; a pleasure to work with.
  2. Very high freeboard; meaning ladies (and you) will not have a wet butt on arrival for lunch or dinner in the marina and/or your groceries will remain dry in choppy waters.
  3. Holds a lot of people and cargo
  4. Really planes extremely fast with only 15HP outboard; even with 4 adults on board. In fact OCT strongly discourages any outboard bigger than 15HP.
  5. Weight is only 48kg – was one of the main considerations especially after experiencing problems coming back from a nice & relaxed dinner at night on low tide and having a hard time getting the dinghy back in the water. Especially when you are old, feeble (hahahahaha) & alone or with a female companion.
  6. Lots & lots of (out of sight) storage
  7. Comes standard with 2 seats which also double as PFD’s
  8. Comes standard with 2 paddles; stored out of sight.
  9. Outboard tank and dinghy anchor can be stored (out of sight) in the bow under & around the bow compartment (open net) with a special vertical net to keep it there.
  10. Very effective anti-skid material on the railing, floor, bow etc.
  11. Comes with Dyneema bow & stern hook ups/points custom designed & placed for your davits.
  12. They can make custom adjustments if you require.

 

Disadvantages:

 

  1. Expensive
  2. Waiting time as custom made & to order ONLY. They don’t build “inventory” boats.
  3. Having to ship to your destination – they will handle for you as long as you pay 😊
  4. Did I mention expensive???

 

But absolutely worth it – I think, after having had 4 dinghies within 18 months before the OCT, I am qualified to tell the difference. BTW – the very first dinghy, which was on board when I got the boat, I loved the best as long as I was on anchor but just didn’t make sense to have on the boat during passage: a brand-new (6hrs) old, huge HIGHFIELD center console with 50HP HONDA outboard. Total listed weight 295KG while the davits are rated for 300KG. I suspected the 295KG listed weight for the dinghy to be w/o the 35 liter gas which would have put it well over the rated 300KG for the davits.

 

Check the OCT website and, in case you order, pls say hi to Karin for me.

 

Best Regards Teun

A54 2009 #128

October 6, 2020 10:01:32

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 09:06
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Teun;

 

Nice to hear from you. We’re in the same “boat”. Have not been at the boat since October 2019 and hopeful that 2021 season will not be affected by COVID.

 

Which model of the offshore cruising tender did you end up with and what do you feel are the advantages over the inflatable ones?

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad Shirloo

+1-323-633-2222  Cell

+1-424-644-0908  Fax

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Aty & Mohammad,

 

Hope you guys are doing well with this COVID situation – I am not sure when I can get back to the boat in AUSTRALIA but I don’t think it will be before Q2 2021.

 

Although you asked about the HIGHFIELD just wanted to share since I know you appreciate (very) high quality stuff. 😊

 

I had 5 tenders in 18 months – 2 of them were HIGHFIELDS; I will save you the story.

Best dinghy, bar none, is the Offshore Cruising Tenders. They are located in NZ and only custom build. Expensive but, in my opinion, well worth the extra $$$$$

 

https://octenders.co.nz

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT – A54 #128

October 6, 2020 07:12:44

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 23:48
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


Re: Tender Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks J.P.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Germain Jean-Pierre via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 12:44 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi Mohammed & Aty,

 

We chose a deep v AB 9.5UL and it has done yeoman service for us. However, if we had to do it now, we’d consider OCD TENDERS from NZ. 

 

Very good design including beach wheels!  Very popular

 

Good luck

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM 007, NZ



On 6/10/2020, at 7:48 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


Re: Tender Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thank you Randall;

 

Do you have the CL310 (Classic series)? How does it fit on the Davits and did you have to make any changes to the lifting points? What is your experience on the quality of the ride?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randall via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 1:00 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hello M&A,

My neighbors tender is a brand I hadn't heard of before called 3D https://www.3dtender.com/ALUMINIUM-SEMI-RIGID-TENDERS-147-64-0-0.html

My purchase was the Highfield 310 and didn't want to wait for the Hypalon as they were unsure when they could get one in Gibraltar. I believe that the extra investment in Hypalon pays for itself. The 3D tender when side by side is identical to the Highfield. My 310 is at the limit of width for the 54. And we are restricted to keeping it on the aft.

I wish I had the OCTender that was on the back of my boat. I regret not making it the one and only demand when purchasing my boat. They are very nice, hindsight 20/20.

 

Safe travels, and wishes the world opens soon.

Randall

A54#56

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 8:48 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We are looking for a new tender, as our existing 12 year old Zodiac Classic foldable with aluminum floor planks that came with our Amel, is starting to have some of the glue joints fail. It has been a great stable ride that planes with a 20HP with 4 people. We have been considering the Highfield line and will not be onboard prior to ordering, Therefore, we would appreciate comments on the following issues:

  1. How does the CL310 or CL340 fit on the Davits?
  2. PVC or Hypalon? We will most likely be in the Med for another 3 years and then onto the Caribbean. AT this point our ongoing plan is to continue sailing West. about 6 months every year.
  3. Our existing 3.5 Meter Zodiac, does present some challenge trying to leave the dock, while Med Moored in a cross wind, if we have yachts at both sides. The tender is about 18-24 inches wider than the stern, therefore the bow on the tender can get caught in the stanchions of the adjacent yacht. In extreme conditions, we lower the tender and tow behind until we are clear of the dock and then bring the tender up on Davits. Does anyone have a better solution?
  4. What is your general impression of the quality, ride and longevity of the highfield line?
  5. What other tender lines have you used that you could recommend?

Thanks in advance for all input.

Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


Re: Tender Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Ian. Which model did you choose? What size outboard?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Park via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 1:10 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

My PVC dinghy suffered and expired in the Caribbean and we were recommended Highfield which we bought in hypalon. Pleased with it although no longer in the Caribbean. If headed there, most cruisers fit ‘chaps’ which IMO are worth the expense ( also an engine ‘chap’). Hypalon seems to be the best choice for tropical climate. 


Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

North Wales


Re: Tender Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Arnold.

 

Which manufacturer, model and size did you end up? What size outboard? What has been your general experience in ride, comfort dryness etc.?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arnold Mente via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 3:33 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Tender Amel 54

 

Hi, here my personal ranking in quality:

 

Company                                                                             Prod. in

 

1. R.I.B. Line Pischel (D)                 Germany

2. Caribe                                                                              Venezuela

3. AB                                                                     Colombia

4. ZAR Tender (I)                                              China

5. Highfield (AU)                                               China

6. Nautend (GR)                                China

7. Zodiac (F)                                                       China

8. 3D-Tender (F)                                               China

9. Plastimo (F)                                                   China

 

All manufactures offering Hypalon, the first 3 only Hypalon!

 

Best 

 

Arnold

SV Zephyr

SM 203

 

Am 06.10.2020 um 10:09 schrieb Ian Park <parkianj@...>:

 

My PVC dinghy suffered and expired in the Caribbean and we were recommended Highfield which we bought in hypalon. Pleased with it although no longer in the Caribbean. If headed there, most cruisers fit ‘chaps’ which IMO are worth the expense ( also an engine ‘chap’). Hypalon seems to be the best choice for tropical climate. 


Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

North Wales

 

 


--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203