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Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

david bruce
 

Thanks James, Craig and Courtney,   Makes perfect sense and certainly accounts for the variability in furler/outhaul ratio/speed.  Sort of a joystick pas de deux.  Now the hard part if is getting to the boat to perfect the dance.  Thanks again for the input.  Best,  Dave



On Aug 24, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

I agree Kent.
Elyse has vertical battens on both main and mizzen.
30-40 degrees to the wind, preferably stbd tack, boom 90 degrees to the mast.
We have marks on both sheets to enable positioning of the booms correctly before furling.
No problems
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

Alan Leslie
 
Edited

I agree Kent.
Elyse has vertical battens on both main and mizzen.
30-40 degrees to the wind, preferably stbd tack, boom 90 degrees to the mast.
We have marks on both sheets to enable positioning of the booms correctly before furling.
When unfurling the main we keep the foot taut by running the outhaul continuously and stopping starting the furler.
Reverse when furling, furler on continuously, outhaul off/on to keep it taut.
No problems
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

James Alton
 

David,

   Definitely NOT a dumb question and maybe not as simple as it would first appear.  The relationship between the in mast furling system and the drive that controls the foot of the sail is non linear.  This is not intentional but occurs because as you wind sail on to the in mast extrusion, the diameter of the roll increases.  Assuming the same motor speed, the larger the diameter the faster the sail is rolled in.  The drive system for the boom is linear assuming load does not change the motor speed and does not change whether the sail is in our out.  Therefore  it is up to the operator to even things out on my boat.  I tend to look at the foot of the sail during furling through the overhead window and try to leave a bit of a curve..never letting it go straight which could indicate a high tension.  I am sure that other Amel owners have more input and advice on this.

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 11:42 AM, david bruce <davidcbruce57@...> wrote:

Hi All,

It’s dumb (but short) question time regarding furling an Amel in general.   Are the furler and outhaul geared to use simultaneously? or is it an alternating actuation type maneuver in which case it seems there is often intermittent ‘slack’ created in the sail.  It seems on Liesse sometimes simultaneous activation works really well but at other times it causes too much tension on the foot of the sail for the furling motor so have to use the outhaul and furler alone in an alternating manner.  

Thanks, 

Dave Bruce
Liesse
SN006 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi David;
 
You already have great advice from others.
 
One item I can add is, just like when reefing,  or if we are in a situation that we cannot point straight into the wind, we make sure we are within 50 degrees of the apparent wind, so we can continue sailing under genoa or staysail, sheet out the main until the main starts to luff, place some tension on the outhaul, keep the boom close to 90 degrees to the mast, watch the main luff carefully from the helm and reef. This way we have plenty of time and are not rushed because we are under power and sailing.
 
We have, as I believe most others, jammed the main at least once as we became familiar with our new adventure machine. In our case, the first time it was jammed was by the broker, on the first test sail. Although, in some cases, the jam seemed almost impossible to unravel from the helm, it can be done through patience and slow furl and unfurls. You will need to have a fair amount of tension on the outhaul and work the furler in very small increments back and forth. If at sea and heavy conditions, first adjust the head sail so that the boat is sailing comfortably and safely with minimal heel, so you have plenty of time to focus on the main, without rushing or being concerned about anything else.
 
 
Happy Sailing;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:51 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail jammed when furling on A54
 
All,

It's confession time and a request for advice/tips.

A week ago, for the first time ever I managed to jam the mainsail when furling it (somewhere around the first batten).  It was impossible to free the sail there and then but fortunately I was able to find shelter nearby, anchor, go up the mast and work it loose by hand.  At the time I put this down to lack of attention and over confidence and cursed myself.  
Two days later after a good sail upwind (15-20kts apparent), I started furling the main, this time watching VERY carefully, I saw creases appearing around the first batten so unfurled and tried again with the same result.  Being really nervous of a repeat episode I unfurled and carried on sailing and finally furled, without a problem, when in sheltered water. In all cases I was going upwind, maybe 10-30deg off the wind.

I'll confess this incident has been a big knock to my confidence, having a jammed, partly furled main in heavy weather is a worrying thought. I previously had a Super Maramu and never once experienced any problem like this, not even a hint of it.  Is the critical difference the vertical battens in the 54's main? 
Does anyone else have experience like this, more importantly can anyone offer advice/tips on furling the main on an A54 please.

-- 
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58 




Re: Amel 54 2008 Hull 102 for sale in South France

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Tony;

 

The Amel 54 is truly a gem that we continue to appreciate more and more every day, even after almost 6 years. Whoever ends up with Balthazar will be very fortunate.

 

Wishing you and your family the best in your next ventures.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of tony wells via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:11 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 2008 Hull 102 for sale in South France #Amel_For_Sale

 

Thanks Peter, much appreciated. 

 

With the fantastic spec / condition and brand new (last month!) B&G total refresh (including second auto helm, radar and 16 inch plotter in fabulous custom-made casing at helm) then I hope Balthazar is a great deal for someone. I’ll stop there. That’s my sales pitch ‘credits’ all used up I’m sure....!!

 

I’ll certainly miss the fantastic knowledge and generosity of this forum - thanks to All. I’ve received and read just about every post in the last 2 years and am in awe! I’ve met and got to know wonderful fellow owners too. Lastly and by no means finally, Bill Rouse has simply been - and continues to be - incredible (thank you, Bill). But everyone knows that already :)

 

Best wishes,

 

Tony

Balthazar. 

 

 



On 24 Aug 2020, at 18:51, Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Tony,

 

So sorry you are leaving us - that is a superb deal at €400k.

 

That will sell in a day if anyone has any sense.

 

Peter

Peter Forbes

The Old Rectory 

Farnham

Blandford

DT11 8 DE

00447836 209730

07836 209730



On 24 Aug 2020, at 16:35, tony wells via groups.io <tony.wells@...> wrote:



Amel expert and principal of Yacht School, Bill Rouse, was onboard in May 2019 and commented “Balthazar’s condition is in the top 10% of Amel 54’s that I have seen”.


We have only owned Balthazar since October 2018 and hugely appreciate her extraordinary qualities. However our plans have changed and we’re now offering her for sale in impeccable condition, at an attractive price, initially to the Amel community. Significantly discounted price for private sale €400k (vat paid in France from new, UK flagged now). This will likely be increased to circa €440k if offered via broker.

Balthazar was originally specified with the Comfort Plus Pack in addition to the Opacmare hydraulic passerelle & Dessalator 24/240v 100 litre per hour water maker.

Lightly used in the Med, renowned Amel surveyor, Olivier Beaute, concludes his survey of October 2018, stating “a good boat”. Since then we have invested in comfort, safety & preventative maintenance improvements, listed in the attached document and including a full Nav technology B&G upgrade & additional autopilot in July 2020.

 

There’s a spec sheet attached in the subgroup post at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/yachtforsale  and please contact me by email tony.wells@... for more information including photos which I will send to you via Whatsapp 

Thanks

Tony Wells

Amel 54 - 102 (2008)

Balthazar

Cruising Corsica, heading north to South France


Re: Amel 54 2008 Hull 102 for sale in South France

Peter Forbes
 

Tony,

Please mail me personally at: ppsforbes’at’gmail.com

Peter

Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory 
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 24 Aug 2020, at 18:10, tony wells via groups.io <tony.wells@...> wrote:


Thanks Peter, much appreciated. 

With the fantastic spec / condition and brand new (last month!) B&G total refresh (including second auto helm, radar and 16 inch plotter in fabulous custom-made casing at helm) then I hope Balthazar is a great deal for someone. I’ll stop there. That’s my sales pitch ‘credits’ all used up I’m sure....!!

I’ll certainly miss the fantastic knowledge and generosity of this forum - thanks to All. I’ve received and read just about every post in the last 2 years and am in awe! I’ve met and got to know wonderful fellow owners too. Lastly and by no means finally, Bill Rouse has simply been - and continues to be - incredible (thank you, Bill). But everyone knows that already :)

Best wishes,

Tony
Balthazar. 



On 24 Aug 2020, at 18:51, Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Tony,

So sorry you are leaving us - that is a superb deal at €400k.

That will sell in a day if anyone has any sense.

Peter

Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory 
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 24 Aug 2020, at 16:35, tony wells via groups.io <tony.wells@...> wrote:



Amel expert and principal of Yacht School, Bill Rouse, was onboard in May 2019 and commented “Balthazar’s condition is in the top 10% of Amel 54’s that I have seen”.


We have only owned Balthazar since October 2018 and hugely appreciate her extraordinary qualities. However our plans have changed and we’re now offering her for sale in impeccable condition, at an attractive price, initially to the Amel community. Significantly discounted price for private sale €400k (vat paid in France from new, UK flagged now). This will likely be increased to circa €440k if offered via broker.

Balthazar was originally specified with the Comfort Plus Pack in addition to the Opacmare hydraulic passerelle & Dessalator 24/240v 100 litre per hour water maker.

Lightly used in the Med, renowned Amel surveyor, Olivier Beaute, concludes his survey of October 2018, stating “a good boat”. Since then we have invested in comfort, safety & preventative maintenance improvements, listed in the attached document and including a full Nav technology B&G upgrade & additional autopilot in July 2020.

 

There’s a spec sheet attached in the subgroup post at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/yachtforsale  and please contact me by email tony.wells@... for more information including photos which I will send to you via Whatsapp 

Thanks

Tony Wells

Amel 54 - 102 (2008)

Balthazar

Cruising Corsica, heading north to South France


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Hi Dave,
Furler and outhaul do turn at the same (no load) rpm's with their identical 70:1 Bonfiglioli reduction gears and constant speed motors (on our SN's), but as the main furls out the diameter of the rolled up sail gets thinner so less sail comes out with each revolution whereas the outhaul with its fixed diameter drive pulley goes in and out at a fixed pace. Hence one needs to manually match speeds by intermittently releasing the switches, depending on which is going faster.  Main rolls up faster and faster as it is furled in because the thickness of roll gets fatter and the outhaul doesn't keep up so you need to compensate with the furling switch, Vice versa on setting the sail.  Plus wind pressure will affect speed. So, yes, one needs to work with toggling both switches on and off to get a smooth operation. Practice makes perfect.
Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: A question to the hive mind re Amel 54 (Sleipner side power) Bow thruster capacitor please.

 

Porter, that is great news!

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 11:09 AM Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Sleipner has responded that the wire in question is to reduce radio frequency interference and the motor will operate normally without it.  

Just an FYI. 

Porter A54-152



Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206

On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:

Porter,
There is also a possibility that the component is not a capacitor. It could be a varistor. If so, it may be a little more difficult to source.
Hopefully Sleipner will wake up soon!
Cheers
Dean

X




Re: Amel 54 2008 Hull 102 for sale in South France

tony wells
 

Thanks Peter, much appreciated. 

With the fantastic spec / condition and brand new (last month!) B&G total refresh (including second auto helm, radar and 16 inch plotter in fabulous custom-made casing at helm) then I hope Balthazar is a great deal for someone. I’ll stop there. That’s my sales pitch ‘credits’ all used up I’m sure....!!

I’ll certainly miss the fantastic knowledge and generosity of this forum - thanks to All. I’ve received and read just about every post in the last 2 years and am in awe! I’ve met and got to know wonderful fellow owners too. Lastly and by no means finally, Bill Rouse has simply been - and continues to be - incredible (thank you, Bill). But everyone knows that already :)

Best wishes,

Tony
Balthazar. 



On 24 Aug 2020, at 18:51, Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Tony,

So sorry you are leaving us - that is a superb deal at €400k.

That will sell in a day if anyone has any sense.

Peter

Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory 
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 24 Aug 2020, at 16:35, tony wells via groups.io <tony.wells@...> wrote:



Amel expert and principal of Yacht School, Bill Rouse, was onboard in May 2019 and commented “Balthazar’s condition is in the top 10% of Amel 54’s that I have seen”.


We have only owned Balthazar since October 2018 and hugely appreciate her extraordinary qualities. However our plans have changed and we’re now offering her for sale in impeccable condition, at an attractive price, initially to the Amel community. Significantly discounted price for private sale €400k (vat paid in France from new, UK flagged now). This will likely be increased to circa €440k if offered via broker.

Balthazar was originally specified with the Comfort Plus Pack in addition to the Opacmare hydraulic passerelle & Dessalator 24/240v 100 litre per hour water maker.

Lightly used in the Med, renowned Amel surveyor, Olivier Beaute, concludes his survey of October 2018, stating “a good boat”. Since then we have invested in comfort, safety & preventative maintenance improvements, listed in the attached document and including a full Nav technology B&G upgrade & additional autopilot in July 2020.

 

There’s a spec sheet attached in the subgroup post at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/yachtforsale  and please contact me by email tony.wells@... for more information including photos which I will send to you via Whatsapp 

Thanks

Tony Wells

Amel 54 - 102 (2008)

Balthazar

Cruising Corsica, heading north to South France


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

ngtnewington Newington
 

I have found that there is a tendency for the top batten to jam when unfurling. That is setting the sail.
I have also noted that having the kicker on hard, ie tension on the leech really helps. To that end I recommend lashing the clew down hard. In addition it is critical to have outhaul tension both furling and setting the sail.
One final note;
I have no doubt that the vertical battens are the source of the problem. Without would be a breeze but then no roach....!!

Nick
Amelia anchored Pantelli, Leros Greece
AML 54-019.


On 24 Aug 2020, at 17:00, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


My guess is that when you inspect the battens you will find some permanently twisted and possibly cracked. BTW, I am totally 100% against battens, and they will be most dangerous when you really get into trouble and have to furl because of bad conditions. 

I believe that if you must have battens that you very carefully and correctly furl and unfurl each time, that you never get yourself in emergency conditions, and that you inspect the battens at least annually then replace any batten that is found twisted or cracked. 

Did I say that I am against battens for an Amel being used as a cruising boat? Of course, if you are using your Amel to race, go for it.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:04 AM Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi David it the problem is occuring only when slightly off the wind try pointing into the wind before furling that may help.  I've had similar issues with both the main and mizzen it seems to come and go keeping the sheet tight helps pull down the boom keeping the sail vertically tight while furling I think this helps also
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin
54#101


-----Original Message-----
From: David Crisp <david@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 8:50 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

All,

It's confession time and a request for advice/tips.

A week ago, for the first time ever I managed to jam the mainsail when furling it (somewhere around the first batten).  It was impossible to free the sail there and then but fortunately I was able to find shelter nearby, anchor, go up the mast and work it loose by hand.  At the time I put this down to lack of attention and over confidence and cursed myself. 
Two days later after a good sail upwind (15-20kts apparent), I started furling the main, this time watching VERY carefully, I saw creases appearing around the first batten so unfurled and tried again with the same result.  Being really nervous of a repeat episode I unfurled and carried on sailing and finally furled, without a problem, when in sheltered water. In all cases I was going upwind, maybe 10-30deg off the wind.

I'll confess this incident has been a big knock to my confidence, having a jammed, partly furled main in heavy weather is a worrying thought. I previously had a Super Maramu and never once experienced any problem like this, not even a hint of it.  Is the critical difference the vertical battens in the 54's main? 
Does anyone else have experience like this, more importantly can anyone offer advice/tips on furling the main on an A54 please.

--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Amel 54 2008 Hull 102 for sale in South France

Peter Forbes
 

Tony,

So sorry you are leaving us - that is a superb deal at €400k.

That will sell in a day if anyone has any sense.

Peter

Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory 
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 24 Aug 2020, at 16:35, tony wells via groups.io <tony.wells@...> wrote:



Amel expert and principal of Yacht School, Bill Rouse, was onboard in May 2019 and commented “Balthazar’s condition is in the top 10% of Amel 54’s that I have seen”.


We have only owned Balthazar since October 2018 and hugely appreciate her extraordinary qualities. However our plans have changed and we’re now offering her for sale in impeccable condition, at an attractive price, initially to the Amel community. Significantly discounted price for private sale €400k (vat paid in France from new, UK flagged now). This will likely be increased to circa €440k if offered via broker.

Balthazar was originally specified with the Comfort Plus Pack in addition to the Opacmare hydraulic passerelle & Dessalator 24/240v 100 litre per hour water maker.

Lightly used in the Med, renowned Amel surveyor, Olivier Beaute, concludes his survey of October 2018, stating “a good boat”. Since then we have invested in comfort, safety & preventative maintenance improvements, listed in the attached document and including a full Nav technology B&G upgrade & additional autopilot in July 2020.

 

There’s a spec sheet attached in the subgroup post at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/yachtforsale  and please contact me by email tony.wells@... for more information including photos which I will send to you via Whatsapp 

Thanks

Tony Wells

Amel 54 - 102 (2008)

Balthazar

Cruising Corsica, heading north to South France


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

ULRICH DANGELMEYER
 

Hi David and all others experienced Amel furlers…

your description seems too familiar. We've been having problems with our main and mizzen for the past 3 years, just like you described. We had a blocked main in Greece at the Meltemi where we couldn't get out or roll in and it wasn't really fun. But a must have experience with our A54. We had to roll back and forth in small steps, and the fuse blew out several times, because the outhaul and the furler motor were overloaded. We had to pull out the main with a rigger and we were messed up. We took out all the battens and also closed the pockets. Also we exchanged the bungee strings inside the booms, the support the topping lift. But that all didn't help much, the HydraNet sail was 10 years old and not in the best shape. It is important that you keep the outhaul better in tension and also that you roll up in the counter clockwise direction, i.e. from right to left. Then, in my experience, the sail runs better into the furling chamber. The wind should come in about 30° from starboard. But actually we always had the fright that blocks something again, we get into trouble again and don't trust the sails. We had a new mizzen and mainsail made by Incidences Sails in La Rochelle, this is the OEM for AMEL, new technology and outstanding quality, brand new soft HydraNet and WITHOUT battens and bags. These new sails cannot be compared with the old ones, that's how soft they slip in the mast. But it is the ultimate solution, also for your account. But safety and easy sailing does not count in money.

Just my two cent.

Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ A54#088
<>


Am 24.08.2020 um 17:58 schrieb Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...>:

For me I find the furler is faster than the outhaul so I slack it a little first then run at the same time watching for too much tension in the sail
CHeers
Courtney
Trippin
54#101


-----Original Message-----
From: david bruce <davidcbruce57@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

Hi All,

It’s dumb (but short) question time regarding furling an Amel in general.   Are the furler and outhaul geared to use simultaneously? or is it an alternating actuation type maneuver in which case it seems there is often intermittent ‘slack’ created in the sail.  It seems on Liesse sometimes simultaneous activation works really well but at other times it causes too much tension on the foot of the sail for the furling motor so have to use the outhaul and furler alone in an alternating manner.  

Thanks, 

Dave Bruce
Liesse
SN006 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi David;
 
You already have great advice from others.
 
One item I can add is, just like when reefing,  or if we are in a situation that we cannot point straight into the wind, we make sure we are within 50 degrees of the apparent wind, so we can continue sailing under genoa or staysail, sheet out the main until the main starts to luff, place some tension on the outhaul, keep the boom close to 90 degrees to the mast, watch the main luff carefully from the helm and reef. This way we have plenty of time and are not rushed because we are under power and sailing.
 
We have, as I believe most others, jammed the main at least once as we became familiar with our new adventure machine. In our case, the first time it was jammed was by the broker, on the first test sail. Although, in some cases, the jam seemed almost impossible to unravel from the helm, it can be done through patience and slow furl and unfurls. You will need to have a fair amount of tension on the outhaul and work the furler in very small increments back and forth. If at sea and heavy conditions, first adjust the head sail so that the boat is sailing comfortably and safely with minimal heel, so you have plenty of time to focus on the main, without rushing or being concerned about anything else.
 
 
Happy Sailing;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:51 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail jammed when furling on A54
 
All,

It's confession time and a request for advice/tips.

A week ago, for the first time ever I managed to jam the mainsail when furling it (somewhere around the first batten).  It was impossible to free the sail there and then but fortunately I was able to find shelter nearby, anchor, go up the mast and work it loose by hand.  At the time I put this down to lack of attention and over confidence and cursed myself.  
Two days later after a good sail upwind (15-20kts apparent), I started furling the main, this time watching VERY carefully, I saw creases appearing around the first batten so unfurled and tried again with the same result.  Being really nervous of a repeat episode I unfurled and carried on sailing and finally furled, without a problem, when in sheltered water. In all cases I was going upwind, maybe 10-30deg off the wind.

I'll confess this incident has been a big knock to my confidence, having a jammed, partly furled main in heavy weather is a worrying thought. I previously had a Super Maramu and never once experienced any problem like this, not even a hint of it.  Is the critical difference the vertical battens in the 54's main? 
Does anyone else have experience like this, more importantly can anyone offer advice/tips on furling the main on an A54 please.

-- 
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58 



Re: A question to the hive mind re Amel 54 (Sleipner side power) Bow thruster capacitor please.

Porter McRoberts
 

Sleipner has responded that the wire in question is to reduce radio frequency interference and the motor will operate normally without it.  

Just an FYI. 

Porter A54-152



Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:

Porter,
There is also a possibility that the component is not a capacitor. It could be a varistor. If so, it may be a little more difficult to source.
Hopefully Sleipner will wake up soon!
Cheers
Dean

X




Re: Amel 55 Backstays

Porter McRoberts
 

We’ve been rigging ours to the cleaner and then to the small winch. Rare that we have a circumstance where we need that winch, especially that the jib sheet has a jam cleat. 

My frustration is with the harmonics!  We become a huge sailing violin, with a vibration in the running backstay. Like my dad employed me with the TV antenna to watch 60 minutes when I was a kid, I ask a child to hold the backstay to diminish vibration, or alternatively when the child tires, put a bungee cord on it pulling towards a mizzen stay.   
Any other solutions?  The kids are growing old enough to win their protests.   
The 2-1 or 5-1 cam blocks to the mizzen chain plate may help. 

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Aug 24, 2020, at 5:38 AM, ULRICH DANGELMEYER <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:

Thank you so much Bill,

everything is now clear and right.
Best wishes
Ulrich
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:35 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

Ulrich 

I gave you a link to an English translation by Amel of an Amel document. The only mention of "bastaques" is in the file name of the document. I am sure that Amel is referring to runners or what in English we call backstays
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:25 AM ULRICH DANGELMEYER <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:
THX Bill,
Hi all, are there also French Amelians in the group, they are able to assist?

this is great and very fast response and help.

But please are so kind and let us understand:
What should be a BASTAQUE be, no french translator does know this part…nothing to do with Basque region in northern Spain.

THX in advance for clearance.

Best Regards and stay safe!

Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54 #088
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:12 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

With the help of a really great 55 client, I have a copy of the instructions for Amel 55 backstays.

I attached it here.



Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have always wondered why Amel left this out of the Amel 54 manuals. There is not really anything in the 55 or 50 either.

I suggest using this point (blue circle 1st photo below) and rigging two opposing blocks with 2:1 purchase (one with cam cleats - 2nd photo below), just like your Mizzen Boom Preventer. This leaves the smaller winch available to use.

A pair of these will make your life easy:

Neither the 54 Users nor Owners manuals say anything about the running backstays. I found this little note that memorializes the confidence Amel had of the Bamar furlers:"The jib furling and the staysail (option) system don’t need any maintenance." I am not sure that statement was accurate, and I did not find a similar statement of Reckmann for the 55 or ProFurl for the 50. Things change.

There is no photo of running backstay rigging in the 55 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed."  

There is no photo of backstay rigging in the Amel 50 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed. Do not navigate under the genoa only."

Maybe the above helps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:06 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail.  Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job.  I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.

Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?



-- 
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58








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Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

Courtney Gorman
 

For me I find the furler is faster than the outhaul so I slack it a little first then run at the same time watching for too much tension in the sail
CHeers
Courtney
Trippin
54#101


-----Original Message-----
From: david bruce <davidcbruce57@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

Hi All,

It’s dumb (but short) question time regarding furling an Amel in general.   Are the furler and outhaul geared to use simultaneously? or is it an alternating actuation type maneuver in which case it seems there is often intermittent ‘slack’ created in the sail.  It seems on Liesse sometimes simultaneous activation works really well but at other times it causes too much tension on the foot of the sail for the furling motor so have to use the outhaul and furler alone in an alternating manner.  

Thanks, 

Dave Bruce
Liesse
SN006 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi David;
 
You already have great advice from others.
 
One item I can add is, just like when reefing,  or if we are in a situation that we cannot point straight into the wind, we make sure we are within 50 degrees of the apparent wind, so we can continue sailing under genoa or staysail, sheet out the main until the main starts to luff, place some tension on the outhaul, keep the boom close to 90 degrees to the mast, watch the main luff carefully from the helm and reef. This way we have plenty of time and are not rushed because we are under power and sailing.
 
We have, as I believe most others, jammed the main at least once as we became familiar with our new adventure machine. In our case, the first time it was jammed was by the broker, on the first test sail. Although, in some cases, the jam seemed almost impossible to unravel from the helm, it can be done through patience and slow furl and unfurls. You will need to have a fair amount of tension on the outhaul and work the furler in very small increments back and forth. If at sea and heavy conditions, first adjust the head sail so that the boat is sailing comfortably and safely with minimal heel, so you have plenty of time to focus on the main, without rushing or being concerned about anything else.
 
 
Happy Sailing;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:51 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail jammed when furling on A54
 
All,

It's confession time and a request for advice/tips.

A week ago, for the first time ever I managed to jam the mainsail when furling it (somewhere around the first batten).  It was impossible to free the sail there and then but fortunately I was able to find shelter nearby, anchor, go up the mast and work it loose by hand.  At the time I put this down to lack of attention and over confidence and cursed myself.  
Two days later after a good sail upwind (15-20kts apparent), I started furling the main, this time watching VERY carefully, I saw creases appearing around the first batten so unfurled and tried again with the same result.  Being really nervous of a repeat episode I unfurled and carried on sailing and finally furled, without a problem, when in sheltered water. In all cases I was going upwind, maybe 10-30deg off the wind.

I'll confess this incident has been a big knock to my confidence, having a jammed, partly furled main in heavy weather is a worrying thought. I previously had a Super Maramu and never once experienced any problem like this, not even a hint of it.  Is the critical difference the vertical battens in the 54's main? 
Does anyone else have experience like this, more importantly can anyone offer advice/tips on furling the main on an A54 please.

-- 
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58 


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

david bruce
 

Hi All,

It’s dumb (but short) question time regarding furling an Amel in general.   Are the furler and outhaul geared to use simultaneously? or is it an alternating actuation type maneuver in which case it seems there is often intermittent ‘slack’ created in the sail.  It seems on Liesse sometimes simultaneous activation works really well but at other times it causes too much tension on the foot of the sail for the furling motor so have to use the outhaul and furler alone in an alternating manner.  

Thanks, 

Dave Bruce
Liesse
SN006 

On Aug 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi David;
 
You already have great advice from others.
 
One item I can add is, just like when reefing,  or if we are in a situation that we cannot point straight into the wind, we make sure we are within 50 degrees of the apparent wind, so we can continue sailing under genoa or staysail, sheet out the main until the main starts to luff, place some tension on the outhaul, keep the boom close to 90 degrees to the mast, watch the main luff carefully from the helm and reef. This way we have plenty of time and are not rushed because we are under power and sailing.
 
We have, as I believe most others, jammed the main at least once as we became familiar with our new adventure machine. In our case, the first time it was jammed was by the broker, on the first test sail. Although, in some cases, the jam seemed almost impossible to unravel from the helm, it can be done through patience and slow furl and unfurls. You will need to have a fair amount of tension on the outhaul and work the furler in very small increments back and forth. If at sea and heavy conditions, first adjust the head sail so that the boat is sailing comfortably and safely with minimal heel, so you have plenty of time to focus on the main, without rushing or being concerned about anything else.
 
 
Happy Sailing;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 5:51 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail jammed when furling on A54
 
All,

It's confession time and a request for advice/tips.

A week ago, for the first time ever I managed to jam the mainsail when furling it (somewhere around the first batten).  It was impossible to free the sail there and then but fortunately I was able to find shelter nearby, anchor, go up the mast and work it loose by hand.  At the time I put this down to lack of attention and over confidence and cursed myself.  
Two days later after a good sail upwind (15-20kts apparent), I started furling the main, this time watching VERY carefully, I saw creases appearing around the first batten so unfurled and tried again with the same result.  Being really nervous of a repeat episode I unfurled and carried on sailing and finally furled, without a problem, when in sheltered water. In all cases I was going upwind, maybe 10-30deg off the wind.

I'll confess this incident has been a big knock to my confidence, having a jammed, partly furled main in heavy weather is a worrying thought. I previously had a Super Maramu and never once experienced any problem like this, not even a hint of it.  Is the critical difference the vertical battens in the 54's main? 
Does anyone else have experience like this, more importantly can anyone offer advice/tips on furling the main on an A54 please.

-- 
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58 



Re: Amel 55 Backstays

ULRICH DANGELMEYER
 

Thank you so much Bill,

everything is now clear and right.
Best wishes
Ulrich
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:35 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

Ulrich 

I gave you a link to an English translation by Amel of an Amel document. The only mention of "bastaques" is in the file name of the document. I am sure that Amel is referring to runners or what in English we call backstays
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:25 AM ULRICH DANGELMEYER <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:
THX Bill,
Hi all, are there also French Amelians in the group, they are able to assist?

this is great and very fast response and help.

But please are so kind and let us understand:
What should be a BASTAQUE be, no french translator does know this part…nothing to do with Basque region in northern Spain.

THX in advance for clearance.

Best Regards and stay safe!

Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54 #088
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:12 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

With the help of a really great 55 client, I have a copy of the instructions for Amel 55 backstays.

I attached it here.



Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have always wondered why Amel left this out of the Amel 54 manuals. There is not really anything in the 55 or 50 either.

I suggest using this point (blue circle 1st photo below) and rigging two opposing blocks with 2:1 purchase (one with cam cleats - 2nd photo below), just like your Mizzen Boom Preventer. This leaves the smaller winch available to use.

A pair of these will make your life easy:

Neither the 54 Users nor Owners manuals say anything about the running backstays. I found this little note that memorializes the confidence Amel had of the Bamar furlers:"The jib furling and the staysail (option) system don’t need any maintenance." I am not sure that statement was accurate, and I did not find a similar statement of Reckmann for the 55 or ProFurl for the 50. Things change.

There is no photo of running backstay rigging in the 55 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed."  

There is no photo of backstay rigging in the Amel 50 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed. Do not navigate under the genoa only."

Maybe the above helps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:06 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail.  Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job.  I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.

Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?



-- 
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58









Re: Amel 55 Backstays

 

Ulrich 

I gave you a link to an English translation by Amel of an Amel document. The only mention of "bastaques" is in the file name of the document. I am sure that Amel is referring to runners or what in English we call backstays
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:25 AM ULRICH DANGELMEYER <ulrich.dangelmeyer@...> wrote:
THX Bill,
Hi all, are there also French Amelians in the group, they are able to assist?

this is great and very fast response and help.

But please are so kind and let us understand:
What should be a BASTAQUE be, no french translator does know this part…nothing to do with Basque region in northern Spain.

THX in advance for clearance.

Best Regards and stay safe!

Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54 #088
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:12 schrieb CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>:

With the help of a really great 55 client, I have a copy of the instructions for Amel 55 backstays.

I attached it here.



Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM CW Bill Rouse via groups.io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have always wondered why Amel left this out of the Amel 54 manuals. There is not really anything in the 55 or 50 either.

I suggest using this point (blue circle 1st photo below) and rigging two opposing blocks with 2:1 purchase (one with cam cleats - 2nd photo below), just like your Mizzen Boom Preventer. This leaves the smaller winch available to use.
image.png
A pair of these will make your life easy:
image.png
Neither the 54 Users nor Owners manuals say anything about the running backstays. I found this little note that memorializes the confidence Amel had of the Bamar furlers: "The jib furling and the staysail (option) system don’t need any maintenance." I am not sure that statement was accurate, and I did not find a similar statement of Reckmann for the 55 or ProFurl for the 50. Things change.

There is no photo of running backstay rigging in the 55 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed."  

There is no photo of backstay rigging in the Amel 50 manual and the only mention is, "If your craft is equipped with a staysail (optional), the running backstays must be installed, regardless of the speed. Do not navigate under the genoa only."

Maybe the above helps.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:06 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Having previously had a Super Maramu one of the attractions of getting an A54 was the staysail.  Unfortunately I can't find any information on the correct way to rig the running back stays. What information there is is for an A55, which from what I can see, has a different deck layout to a A54. Below is a photo of the rig I've devised using some blocks with soft shackles left by the previous owner which seem perfect for the job.  I've attached the block to the mooring cleat on the assumption the loops at the base of the stanchion may not be man enough.

Any comments/suggestions from experienced A54 owners?



--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58






Amel 54 2008 Hull 102 for sale in South France

tony wells
 

Amel expert and principal of Yacht School, Bill Rouse, was onboard in May 2019 and commented “Balthazar’s condition is in the top 10% of Amel 54’s that I have seen”.


We have only owned Balthazar since October 2018 and hugely appreciate her extraordinary qualities. However our plans have changed and we’re now offering her for sale in impeccable condition, at an attractive price, initially to the Amel community. Significantly discounted price for private sale €400k (vat paid in France from new, UK flagged now). This will likely be increased to circa €440k if offered via broker.

Balthazar was originally specified with the Comfort Plus Pack in addition to the Opacmare hydraulic passerelle & Dessalator 24/240v 100 litre per hour water maker.

Lightly used in the Med, renowned Amel surveyor, Olivier Beaute, concludes his survey of October 2018, stating “a good boat”. Since then we have invested in comfort, safety & preventative maintenance improvements, listed in the attached document and including a full Nav technology B&G upgrade & additional autopilot in July 2020.

 

There’s a spec sheet attached in the subgroup post at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/yachtforsale  and please contact me by email tony.wells@... for more information including photos which I will send to you via Whatsapp 

Thanks

Tony Wells

Amel 54 - 102 (2008)

Balthazar

Cruising Corsica, heading north to South France


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

Matt Salatino
 

Good point. I find that at about 10 years of good use, the sails are too baggy to furl well in the mast. Time to restitch, or replace. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 24, 2020, at 3:58 PM, karkauai via groups.io <karkauai@...> wrote:


Hi David,
In Kristy, an SM, I also have vertical battens. The angle of the boom is critical, on Kristy it has to be close to 90d. You'll have to find WilnaGrace's sweet spot.  I always stand in the companionway where I can look up the mast and watch the sail roll in.  Go straight into the wind.  Keep some slight tension on the outhaul. There will be some creases in the lower half of the sail that have gotten a little more pronounced as my sails have stretched over the last 10 yrs. As long as the battens go in vertically with slight tension on the outhaul, she rolls in fine.

I guess if your sail is getting old it could be stretched enough to make it more finicky.

You'll figure it out, go slow and don't fret. When you've found the sweet spot it will be easy.

Be safe, Have Fun, Sail Fast!
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Harbor Island Maine


On Aug 24, 2020 8:50 AM, David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
All,

It's confession time and a request for advice/tips.

A week ago, for the first time ever I managed to jam the mainsail when furling it (somewhere around the first batten).  It was impossible to free the sail there and then but fortunately I was able to find shelter nearby, anchor, go up the mast and work it loose by hand.  At the time I put this down to lack of attention and over confidence and cursed myself. 
Two days later after a good sail upwind (15-20kts apparent), I started furling the main, this time watching VERY carefully, I saw creases appearing around the first batten so unfurled and tried again with the same result.  Being really nervous of a repeat episode I unfurled and carried on sailing and finally furled, without a problem, when in sheltered water. In all cases I was going upwind, maybe 10-30deg off the wind.

I'll confess this incident has been a big knock to my confidence, having a jammed, partly furled main in heavy weather is a worrying thought. I previously had a Super Maramu and never once experienced any problem like this, not even a hint of it.  Is the critical difference the vertical battens in the 54's main? 
Does anyone else have experience like this, more importantly can anyone offer advice/tips on furling the main on an A54 please.

--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Amel 55 Backstays

ULRICH DANGELMEYER
 

Merci beaucoup, Denis!

Ulrich.
„Soleil Bleu“
<>
Am 24.08.2020 um 17:31 schrieb Denis Foster <@dwf>:

Hello,

Bastaque is a running back stay or runner.

Denis

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