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Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

Prior to replacing our bumper, we used Plastidip spray paint. It looked good for about 3 years.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Performix-Plasti-Aerosol-Spray-Liquid/dp/B06XBDGVZ3/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2A7JULXBS895G&keywords=flexi+paint&qid=1571567254&sprefix=flexi+pa%2Caps%2C323&sr=8-1

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 6:28 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Super Maramu stern bumper painting

 

Hello everyone.  
I am planning on repainting the stern bumper for my SM 53.  I previously sanded it down and painted with polyurethane.  That lasted about a month!  
Admittedly, I didn't use a primer... and perhaps that is the main error.  

Who has repainted their bumper, and with what products?   I am considering an epoxy primer this time.  

Many Thanks. 

James
Soteria SM2000 347
Aruba


Re: Ground strap in bilge

Gerhard Mueller
 
Edited

Hi Elja

No, that is only a film of 40 Micrometer thickness.
He needs however a copper flat bar 3 millimeters thick.
Something like this:
https://www.bikar.com/copper-flat-bars.html
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Ground strap in bilge

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 


Ground strap in bilge

Randall Walker
 

I know it has been on the forum many times. But I need to find a supplier of copper for making the grounding strap that goes to the keel.
Have been trying to source this in Spain. Is their someone who can point me to a supplier of a piece of copper 3mm x 50mm x 1500mm or 1/8" x 2" x 5 feet 6 inches. in Spain/Europe

Thank you
Randall
AMEL 54 #56


Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

Hi Alan
We used the interior from a flat fender and glued in place and shaped it. And putty before painting with a paint for rubber, that is a slightly elastic paint.

/Annsofie, S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998.

Hälsningar
Ann-Sofie Svanberg


Skickat från min iPhone

20 okt. 2019 kl. 08:55 skrev Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>:

Slightly different issue, but still to do with the bumper.
Ours has a chunk out of one corner (thanks to the tin dinghy "friendly" welcome at Suwarrow).
Anyone have a good method and materials for repairing it ?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Alan Leslie
 

Slightly different issue, but still to do with the bumper.
Ours has a chunk out of one corner (thanks to the tin dinghy "friendly" welcome at Suwarrow).
Anyone have a good method and materials for repairing it ?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Fuel tank

Andy Croney
 

Hi Tom,

It is not such a daunting project as you may think.

We did remove and replace our tank ( we had one custom fabricated to the exact same dimensions , however with the addition of inspection ports , to replace the old one ) - we also included a simple fuel level indicator in the walk thru.

We have a 1980 Maramu, so no electrical panels above the tank.
All parties involved with the removal and Re-installation process praised Amel for having the forethought to enable the fuel tank to be removed in one piece from the boat, without too much work.

The only thing we needed to remove was the starboard hand rail on the companion way.

With three people we were able to manhandle the tank into the saloon , over the Nav desk and resting on the saloon table then into the cockpit via the companionway and onto the dock - I believe we might have needed to remove one stay to facilitate this ??

No need to remove anything further.
But plenty of heavy blankets , bible wrap , etc , as protection to the wood work , should be in place before removal.

We went the route of replacing the tank after all the effort of removal. It just seemed to make more sense and are happy to have a new clean stainless steel tank .

On another note , we have seen other Maramu’s who have replaced the tank with a shorter tank , giving them more space in the walk Thru albeit with lower tankage. Something you might want to consider.

We have photos somewhere of the procedure if you are interested.

Good luck !!

All the best

Andy
SV Paladin, #75


Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

James Cromie
 

Great.  Thank you.  Is any primer necessary, or simply pile on the coats?

-James

On Oct 19, 2019, at 10:01 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

James,

Ditto on what Karen said. It is water base, flexible, and will need 3-5 coats. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 7:49 PM Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Use paint made for inflatable dinghies. The bumper is made of dense closed cell polyurethane foam. We have used the West Marine Brand with excellent luck by following preparation directions _exactly_.  We re-paint once a year and have never had a failure of the paint. 

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--top-coating-for-inflatable-boats-gray-quart--P010_301_001_501  (Pick your favorite color!)

Anything else will be too brittle and crack off, epoxy will be even worse.  You really should use a water based paint, since some solvents can attack the surface of the closed cell foam leaving you worse off than before you started.

Painting this part BEFORE it needs it is key to keeping it protected from UV and having a long lasting, good looking, bumper.  They are expensive, and sometime hard to get. Take good care of it and it will last a very long time.




Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

 

James,

Ditto on what Karen said. It is water base, flexible, and will need 3-5 coats. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 7:49 PM Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Use paint made for inflatable dinghies. The bumper is made of dense closed cell polyurethane foam. We have used the West Marine Brand with excellent luck by following preparation directions _exactly_.  We re-paint once a year and have never had a failure of the paint. 

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--top-coating-for-inflatable-boats-gray-quart--P010_301_001_501  (Pick your favorite color!)

Anything else will be too brittle and crack off, epoxy will be even worse.  You really should use a water based paint, since some solvents can attack the surface of the closed cell foam leaving you worse off than before you started.

Painting this part BEFORE it needs it is key to keeping it protected from UV and having a long lasting, good looking, bumper.  They are expensive, and sometime hard to get. Take good care of it and it will last a very long time.


Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting

Karen Smith
 

Use paint made for inflatable dinghies. The bumper is made of dense closed cell polyurethane foam. We have used the West Marine Brand with excellent luck by following preparation directions _exactly_.  We re-paint once a year and have never had a failure of the paint. 

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--top-coating-for-inflatable-boats-gray-quart--P010_301_001_501  (Pick your favorite color!)

Anything else will be too brittle and crack off, epoxy will be even worse.  You really should use a water based paint, since some solvents can attack the surface of the closed cell foam leaving you worse off than before you started.

Painting this part BEFORE it needs it is key to keeping it protected from UV and having a long lasting, good looking, bumper.  They are expensive, and sometime hard to get. Take good care of it and it will last a very long time.


Super Maramu stern bumper painting

James Cromie
 

Hello everyone.  
I am planning on repainting the stern bumper for my SM 53.  I previously sanded it down and painted with polyurethane.  That lasted about a month!  
Admittedly, I didn't use a primer... and perhaps that is the main error.  

Who has repainted their bumper, and with what products?   I am considering an epoxy primer this time.  

Many Thanks. 

James
Soteria SM2000 347
Aruba


Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

amelforme
 

Nick, more than likely lost the prop as John has indicated. I might suggest you deeply consider engaging Bill Rouse to take his excellent training course that should be required for all purchasers of ‘new to them’ Amel brokerage sailboats. I have been selling Amel boats since 1981 and Bill’s course is absolutely the best value for the money you spend for the training than anything else you could do on your ‘new to you’ Amel SM 53. Seriously , your learning curve will be enhanced like having owned the boat for more than a year. His book shows all the maintainable systems and how to accomplish repairs to all the serviceable components. There are many other benefits to his program and I am sure that anyone who has taken the course would highly recommend it. No, he is not my Uncle and I get nothing for my recommendation. I urge all my Amel buyers tio take his course and I pay for a forth day of school out of my pocket to encourage them to take the course. You will never regret it. His email address is above in the cc box.

 

Good luck with your Amel!

 

All the Best, Joel     

 

            JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 3:30 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

 

Hello everybody

Today was my first sea trial to ferry SM471 to it's new home , and before exiting the rather large and peaceful port of "Le Frioul",
I thought I would be a good idea to pratice a few strait  line in reverse using the bow thruster in burst of 6 to 8 sec (rather then 2 or 3 sec ??) when needed.The wind was 15~20 KTS  gusting 30 .
After 20 good minutes of practice ,actionning the bow thruster control was no longer moving the bow ,but we could hear the motor running !!
Any thoughts, short of diving under without a wetsuit ?
Thanks
Nick
SM471


Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

 

Nick,

The Bow thruster Propellor, Delrin (looks like nylon) Hub may be cut through by stainless steel pin.

It is likely that either you or someone before you damaged the hub by reversing the propellor from Port to Starboard without waiting 2 seconds. If this is done repeatedly, the pin will cut through the hub. I have never seen it cut all of the way around, but it is possible.
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If it is NOT the Hub, it is likely the Bow Thruster gears inside the Foot of the bow thruster, or something else. You'll need to remove the Bow Thruster and investigate. Alex on s/v NIKIMAT completed an overhaul and documented it very well here: http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html
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--

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 2:42 PM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
Hi Nicole,
    Sounds like you lost the prop.  Same thing happened to me in St Thomas while turning 180 degrees in a tight marina.  

If you have the bow thruster kit and calm water you can remove the lower unit and replace the prop in about an hour.  Quicker after you figure out how to do it.  I replaced ours at anchor with no hiccups.  Always carry a spare...an Amel spare not the knock off copies.

If the water is clear you should be able to see the prop when it is deployed....

Regards, John

SV Annie SM37
Brunswick GA

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 3:30 PM Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello everybody

Today was my first sea trial to ferry SM471 to it's new home , and before exiting the rather large and peaceful port of "Le Frioul",
I thought I would be a good idea to pratice a few strait  line in reverse using the bow thruster in burst of 6 to 8 sec (rather then 2 or 3 sec ??) when needed.The wind was 15~20 KTS  gusting 30 .
After 20 good minutes of practice ,actionning the bow thruster control was no longer moving the bow ,but we could hear the motor running !!
Any thoughts, short of diving under without a wetsuit ?
Thanks
Nick
SM471


Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Nick,

Replacing the prop in water is an easy task; best done by a diver.

If you have the Amel spare, it came with a new hub.  Remove the old hub by unscrewing the nylon bolts.  Note the shear is still in good condition...

Replace with now propeller,

NOTE: on our boat we apply rigorously the 2 second rule between toggling P or S.  this ensures the prop is fully stopped before powering in the other direction.  Lost 2 props in the learning days.... no more since “the rule”.

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007, Fiji.


On 20 Oct 2019, at 08:52, Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io <laixoi@...> wrote:

Thank you john, i'll look for the replacement kit on board or order it after double checking if the prop is still there...
Is the  replacement procedure documented in the boat manual (with part needed and tools ? )
I'm not on board...
Kindly
Nick
SM471
Port Corbieres
Near Marseille


Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

Nicolas Klene
 

Thank you john, i'll look for the replacement kit on board or order it after double checking if the prop is still there...
Is the  replacement procedure documented in the boat manual (with part needed and tools ? )
I'm not on board...
Kindly
Nick
SM471
Port Corbieres
Near Marseille


Re: Fuel tank

Randall Walker
 

Tom have you considered having it cut into small parts and taken out they do it all the time in houses where the tank was installed in the basement before the house went up.
Just a thought look into it,

Randall
AMEL 54 #56


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of SY Aphrodite via Groups.Io <onboardaphrodite@...>
Sent: October 19, 2019 1:44 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel tank
 
Hello Group
This is Thomas Deasy S/Y Aphrodite
1983 Maramu #125
I have a leak in my fuel tank and I will be replacing it !!
Any information on taking the old one out and replacing with a new one would be appreciated. I remember reading that it can be taken out but don’t know what needs to be removed to do this?


Such as the island cabinet in the main cabin, stairs, hand rail, hard dodger? I am on the hard in Cartagena Columbia and receiving bids for a new tank. The only change I would like would be clean out ports.
Thanks for any ideas Tom Deasy




Re: Fuel tank

James Alton
 

Tom,

  In my case, I found that the only problem areas of my tank were in the welded areas of the front of the tank.  The rest of the tank (and especially the bottom which was a relief) was essentially perfect.    I was able to move the tank inboard with the tank still in the pass thru area to the aft cabin and have the cracks welded.  It might be worth having a close look at your tank before building a new one.  I was able to move the tank around myself with some well placed blocks, it isn't terribly heavy.  Completely removing the tank in one pc. Appears to be possible with removal of some of the interior and possibly the hardtop but best to talk to someone that has done it.

Best of luck,
James SV Sueno,  Maramu #220



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From: "SY Aphrodite via Groups.Io" <onboardaphrodite@...>
Date: 10/19/19 8:44 PM (GMT+02:00)
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel tank

Hello Group
This is Thomas Deasy S/Y Aphrodite
1983 Maramu #125
I have a leak in my fuel tank and I will be replacing it !!
Any information on taking the old one out and replacing with a new one would be appreciated. I remember reading that it can be taken out but don’t know what needs to be removed to do this?


Such as the island cabinet in the main cabin, stairs, hand rail, hard dodger? I am on the hard in Cartagena Columbia and receiving bids for a new tank. The only change I would like would be clean out ports.
Thanks for any ideas Tom Deasy




Re: Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

John Clark
 

Hi Nicole,
    Sounds like you lost the prop.  Same thing happened to me in St Thomas while turning 180 degrees in a tight marina.  

If you have the bow thruster kit and calm water you can remove the lower unit and replace the prop in about an hour.  Quicker after you figure out how to do it.  I replaced ours at anchor with no hiccups.  Always carry a spare...an Amel spare not the knock off copies.

If the water is clear you should be able to see the prop when it is deployed....

Regards, John

SV Annie SM37
Brunswick GA

On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 3:30 PM Nicolas Klene via Groups.Io <laixoi=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello everybody

Today was my first sea trial to ferry SM471 to it's new home , and before exiting the rather large and peaceful port of "Le Frioul",
I thought I would be a good idea to pratice a few strait  line in reverse using the bow thruster in burst of 6 to 8 sec (rather then 2 or 3 sec ??) when needed.The wind was 15~20 KTS  gusting 30 .
After 20 good minutes of practice ,actionning the bow thruster control was no longer moving the bow ,but we could hear the motor running !!
Any thoughts, short of diving under without a wetsuit ?
Thanks
Nick
SM471


Have I lost the bow thruster prop ?

Nicolas Klene
 

Hello everybody

Today was my first sea trial to ferry SM471 to it's new home , and before exiting the rather large and peaceful port of "Le Frioul",
I thought I would be a good idea to pratice a few strait  line in reverse using the bow thruster in burst of 6 to 8 sec (rather then 2 or 3 sec ??) when needed.The wind was 15~20 KTS  gusting 30 .
After 20 good minutes of practice ,actionning the bow thruster control was no longer moving the bow ,but we could hear the motor running !!
Any thoughts, short of diving under without a wetsuit ?
Thanks
Nick
SM471


Re: Fuel tank

Wade Shikoski
 
Edited

Tom, 
I recently pulled the fuel tank on my 83 maramu. I had an unknown leak at the forward end of it that had rotted a small section of the companionway bulkhead just to the left (starboard) of the stoop. I was worried about the integrity of the tank and needed to make repairs to the bulkhead and inspect the tank. After pulling the tank I was able to determine that the cause of the leak was a kink in the metal return line hose that had been leaking. I believe this occurred a number of years ago when the previous owner installed a 110V switch board above the tank at this location. Over time the leaking hose had soaked into the bulkhead. I pulled the tank and cut out the damaged section of bulkhead, ground back any delaminated tabbing and reinstalled a new section of the bulkhead using oversized peyson joints on both sides of the bulkhead. 

Regarding your question, I can explain exactly how I removed my tank and would be happy to talk with you in person and walk you through the process. I also have extensive pictures I could provide. In summary, I had to remove a 100V pannel that was located above the tank, then removed the top board and facing and the lower retaining board. Once free there is a vent in the aft back corner that needs to be removed, the return line in the forward back corner and the fill hose. Also the lower forward supply line must be disconnected. After that you will need 2 big guys to muscle the tank out. I moved mine to the saloon area alone but would not do that again as the tank is shaped to the hull with the lower portion of it being only approx 6" wide. It will try to fall over very easily. 

 Regarding additional removal of saloon cabinetry to prep to move the tank. You will need to unbolt the liquor cabinet from the main area and move it over towards the port seats. I dont believe you will need to remove either the stairs or starboard grab rail that is beside the stairs. I did not need to do that in order to move my tank into the saloon. After careful inspection of my tank and determining the cause of my leak I decided not to remove the tank from the boat but just move it into the saloon while repairs to the bulkhead were being completed. However, I considered moving it out of the boat in order to get it pressure tested and cleaned. Therefore, I did measure the tank and companionway entrance to determine if it was possible. I believe I would have needed to remove the companionway sliding door in order to have enough clearance to get the tank all the way out of the boat. 

pls feel free to contact me directly if you would like to discuss further or would like pictures of the process. you can email me at N2everythg at yahoo