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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Ian Park
 

Hi and welcome to the group.

Yes, reading the posts gives the impression that AMELs are a constant maintenance boat.
Not true. It is just the helpful nature of this particular group that folk feel they always get instant first class help if a problem occurs or a maintenance job comes up they haven’t attempted themselves before.
Others will give you the same advice, when choosing an Amel get someone who really knows the boat to survey it. (I didn’t but have been lucky).
Yes, the boat is very different to other boats so owners do ask a lot of questions.
I looked at an Oyster 435 before got my Santorin. I’ve got much the better boat.
You will spend at least two years really getting to know the systems, but then a good annual maintenance schedule will give you the ultimate short handed ocean cruiser around (personal opinion after 5 years ownership).

Best of luck with your plans


Re: start stop engine

 

Find the red lever on the port side of the engine. Manually turn it until engine stops. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 6:11 AM Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:
Hallo Gerhard
Maby you can help ouer frend he is in Kalamata Marina peer B Nr 9 ore so the SM 2000
Best Elja
SM Balu
222 peer B 11

Von meinem iPhone gesendet




Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Orion Martin
 

Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.


Re: KVH TracPhone V3 for sale

Massimo Vecchietti
 

Look the offer of IRIDIUM GO  from Predict Wind
Max

Il Lun 19 Ago 2019, 08:25 Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> ha scritto:

Hi all,

 

I’m looking at changing my KVH TracPhone V3 for an Iridium system. If anyone is interested in taking the KVH please contact me on paul dot dowd at fgps.com.

 

I am also looking for recommendations for an Iridium system for general internet access and voice. The boat is currently in Grenada.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Wintering location Adriatic

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Craig. I’ll look into it.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On Aug 22, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Greetings Mohammad & Aty,
Nautec Mare in Montfalcone is excellent. Totally protected up the river, nearby airport and high quality work of any type you may need.
Best regards, Craig


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Is there is a routine maintenance schedule required/recommended for the outhaul/furler gear boxes? If so, I would appreciate some info on interval and procedure.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099

On Aug 22, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Stephen the most difficult part of changing the Gear box is getting the old one off you MUST have a GOOD gear puller with multiple 'teeth' to get a hold of the old box it is in a difficult position.  I believe there is a detailed description and instructions on how and what you need in Bill's manual.  It took me hours to get if off without the proper tools no fun at all.  Everything else was easy.  Good luck and yes you do NOT use the spacer.
Cheers
Courtney
'Trippin'
54 #101 
Grenada


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Schaufert <mail@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 6:17 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Dear Craig, dear Scott, dear Olivier,

thx a lot for all your fast responses, thoughts and hints, specially to you Olivier, for explaining the 100A fuses.
I already wrote to Maud and hope she will give me a fast response.
The next mechanic I will meet in 2.5 weeks. I will let him check the (old) gear box.

Best regards to all 
Stefan
A 54 N°119 Lady Charlyette, currently Leixos/ Porto


Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Bill,

For your information the kit is very very  easy to make by your self, for only some dollars ...

I buy the seals for over 10 years at 123roulements with prices and delivering time that I found very pleasant ...

Bill, "tout est possible dans un monde infini...." (all is possible in an infinite world ....)

Fair Wind


Le 21/08/2019 à 16:59, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :

Jean Luc,

The Amel 55 C-Drive Propeller Shaft Wear Bushing and Seal Kit. I am 100% positive that you can get this only at Amel.
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Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:46 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Bill,

About what for C-drive seals you are speeking ?

Jean Luc


Le 21/08/2019 à 15:11, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Paul,

I think that  www.123roulement.com is a good company, but I am 99% sure that they will NOT have the Amel-made wear bushing. They may have seals that fit, but to ensure you are getting the best seal for the job, don't try to save a few euros.

My advice is to purchase the wear bushing and seals from Amel only. The 55 has a larger output shaft and thus larger wear bushing and seals than the SM & 54. The procedure is also different. Email sav"at"amel.fr. Ask for the complete kit and also ask for instructions. The last time someone asked for instructions, Amel sent them instructions for SM & 54. Hopefully that has changed.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:53 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
hello all, I’m inquiring please  for assistance to where I can purchase the Cdrive seal kit and at what estimated price? Can this only be purchased through Amel or is it a standard product from a distributor or manufacturer?

thank you for your time 

regards paul - Fortuna II 55#17

Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Courtney Gorman
 

Stephen the most difficult part of changing the Gear box is getting the old one off you MUST have a GOOD gear puller with multiple 'teeth' to get a hold of the old box it is in a difficult position.  I believe there is a detailed description and instructions on how and what you need in Bill's manual.  It took me hours to get if off without the proper tools no fun at all.  Everything else was easy.  Good luck and yes you do NOT use the spacer.
Cheers
Courtney
'Trippin'
54 #101 
Grenada


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Schaufert <mail@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 6:17 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Dear Craig, dear Scott, dear Olivier,

thx a lot for all your fast responses, thoughts and hints, specially to you Olivier, for explaining the 100A fuses.
I already wrote to Maud and hope she will give me a fast response.
The next mechanic I will meet in 2.5 weeks. I will let him check the (old) gear box.

Best regards to all 
Stefan
A 54 N°119 Lady Charlyette, currently Leixos/ Porto


Re: start stop engine

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Hallo Gerhard
Maby you can help ouer frend he is in Kalamata Marina peer B Nr 9 ore so the SM 2000
Best Elja
SM Balu
222 peer B 11

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: start stop engine

Gerhard Mueller
 

Goto to the Yanmar manual: https://www.yanmarmarine.com/theme/yanmarportal/uploadedFiles/Marine/productDownloads/Leisure-Previous-Models/Operation-Manuals/4JH3-T-series-OP-Manual-ENG.pdf
At page 52 and the following pages you will find the wiring diagrams. I do not see a relay there.
If you want I can visit you and check your engine. I am at berth A14 Kalamata.

Regards Gerhard
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Craig Briggs
 

Yes, Stefan, glad that Olivier replied about the PCB providing the safety shutdown you mentioned, that I wasn't aware of.
Sounds like you're on the right path to getting this fixed. 
Craig


Re: Wintering location Adriatic

Craig Briggs
 

Greetings Mohammad & Aty,
Nautec Mare in Montfalcone is excellent. Totally protected up the river, nearby airport and high quality work of any type you may need.
Best regards, Craig


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Stefan Schaufert
 

Dear Craig, dear Scott, dear Olivier,

thx a lot for all your fast responses, thoughts and hints, specially to you Olivier, for explaining the 100A fuses.
I already wrote to Maud and hope she will give me a fast response.
The next mechanic I will meet in 2.5 weeks. I will let him check the (old) gear box.

Best regards to all 
Stefan
A 54 N°119 Lady Charlyette, currently Leixos/ Porto


Re: start stop engine

Sebti Lamya
 

Hi to All,

These are the pictures of the two relays that seem causing the problem.

Noreddine and Lamya Sebti

SV Alma Libre, SM 370, Greece, Kalamata


Re: start stop engine

Sebti Lamya
 

Hi to All,

My boat is a SM , hull number 370 from 2002. the engine is a Yanmar 4JH3-HTE. I am actually in Greece, Kalamata Marina.

Regards.

Noreddine Sebti
Name of boat : Alma Libre


Re: start stop engine

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Lamya,

Welcome to this forum; you should receive a reply soon.... but how can anyone give you good advice with the information you shared? No boat model, engine... 

This site is private and new members are vested by Moderators before inclusion.  Members normally add name, type of Amel (Eros, Mango etc) and hull number.  Most people will include their location.

Welcome!

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Fiji


On 22 Aug 2019, at 20:32, Sebti Lamya <noreddine.sebti@...> wrote:

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Stefan,

the 100A fuse is a back-up when the power limiting Printed Circuit Board (what you call the Protector) is out of order. In order to connect this fuse, you need to remove both wires from the PCB (just pulling down) and connect them to the 100A fuse.

There seems to be a mechanic problem in the boom gear-box. And therefore, the PCB allows the motor to run for a few seconds, then cuts off power because of too high amperage (that's what it's designed for).
If you connect the back-up fuse, you may blow it within some seconds too because the mechanic resistance is too high, making the amperage rise above 100 A (you may also burn the wires too!!).

It seems that you need to take down the gear-box and open it to check the worm gear and the bronze "teeth wheel".
If you can't find a good skilled mechanic where you are, you may think of just replacing the gear-box (I don't like when you say the shaft went out of the gear-box...).

Good luck and remember to never hit the track end stopper with the traveller. This definitely kills the gear-box after several knocks.


Olivier


start stop engine

Sebti Lamya
 

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.


Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

Jose Alegria
 

Dear AMEL Group / Owners
I appreciate your ideas about the reason I have black water comes from my onan 11 raw water exhaust hose 
And from exhaust fumes too  ( less quantity )
The Onan was 1200 hours and was serviced at 100 hours
Thanks in advance

)


Re: Forward Looking Sonar

Stefano Biffi
 

Normally quiet stable, never gave me wrong. I learned to use pause when I don’t need, long navigation no obstacles, and start  the reading few minutes before the cost line. If I must find a complaint the auto scale feature not ever following approaching the high terrain. Most of the time I have to reduce manually. 

Stefano
N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185
Italy 

Il giorno 21 ago 2019, alle ore 23:56, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> ha scritto:

Stefano , That is the unit I have. Do you not get a lot of false signals ,both vertical and horizontal ? If not then there must be something wrong with my unit.
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefano Biffi <cptbiffi@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2019 10:50 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward Looking Sonar

I have ZEUS 2 With foward looking, works nice, helpful in low water. During the docking I can estimate how deep is below and how far is the other lip of the Harbour. Never used between submerged rocks, till now. 

Stefano
N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185
Italy 

Il giorno 21 ago 2019, alle ore 16:02, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> ha scritto:

When we replaced all our electronic due to lightning damage ,we went with the latest B&G equipment,including forward looking sonar. We had Interphase prior and for me it was like trying to read a ultrasound . The B&G sonar sends false images of things that do not exist ,with the bottom going up and down and what looks like walls showing and then disappearing . These false signals have instilled no confidence to the point I never turn it on and at this point I consider a big waste of money. It was professionally installed and I have spoken to the installer as well as B&G reps. at the boat show , I have gotten no answers . I got to the point that I assume this is the state of the art ,when it comes to sonar. 
But after reading what a few of you have said about your sonar,which are older than mine ,I am convinced that something is wrong with my unit. Does anyone have B&G forward looking sonar ,how is it working for you, false images ?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2019 1:36 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward Looking Sonar

We have the Interphase forward looking sonar on our A54 and use it often. It's not perfect, but definitely useful.

As Ken noted, we often use it to scope out the surrounding depths to account for any swinging. And more than once it has showed us that the charts aren't perfect and given us time to go astern hard to avoid a collision with an uncharted obstacle.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com