Date   
Genua Electric furler

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 

Hello everyone
After my genoa had wrapped around itself several times because the engine did not stop, my genoa now only turns in one direction, unrolling.
In the bath I can hear a click on pressing the switch in the cockpit. I have already exchanged the cables and used a different switch. Always with the same result. It just works in one Direktion. 
Does anyone know advice?
I would be grateful for a recommendation.
 
 
Heinz quetzal SM2000 292 from Huhahine Polynesia 

Re: Genoa Fair Leads

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Steve,

We purchased replacement genoa cars from Euro Marine Trading, Inc. in Newport, RI,  the US distributer of Antal parts in 2016. Cost was $259.84 each plus $29 shipping from Italy (prorated as part of their larger shipment). Euro Marine was familiar with the Amel configuration with the bales on both ends of the car, and that’s how they arrived, identical to the original.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Capt. Steve Bode
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:43 AM
To: Amel Yacht Owners Group <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa Fair Leads

 

Hey, Group.

 

What's the latest best answer on replacing the Genoa Fair Leads? My springs are broken, one wheel is chipped. Tried taking it apart, but can't figure out how to get the pin out of the center once the eye bolts are removed. Is that center bar screwed in? At $750 a piece online, I'm not jazzed about replacing the whole car.

Replacement car without extra hardware needed to adapt to Amel lead system:

 

Tags: Genoa Fair Lead, Genoa Track, Jib Car Lead, Jib fairlead, Genoa Fairlead, Foresail Track

 


Steve Bode, Captain of Sailing Vessel Intention

Currently Drydocked at ANT Yat Servis

Bodrum Marina Teknik Servisler

Neyzen Tevfik Cad. No. 5

48400 Bodrum, Mulga, Turkiye

 

Amel Super Maramu #117 (1994) 

+1 415-710-6659 voice/text/whatsapp

Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

svsunnyside
 

Hi Bill Fletcher,
On my MARAMU #219 the Perkins 4154 has little more than 11,000 hours.
Also if is still running very well, I must be prepared to buy a new engine, perhaps, in a short time. Quite sure I will buy a BETA 60 , so I am very interested to receive from you all the possible details from purchase.........up to installation. I am sure that there are more guys in the same situation and each one of us will be very glad to share such an experience.
Many thank in advance.
Gabriele Antolini
S/V Sunny Side
Maramu #219
Todomar yard
Cartagena de India

On Sunday, 26 May 2019, 16:57:33 GMT-4, Bill Fletcher <bll.fletcher@...> wrote:


I bought a Beta marine 60 six years ago and it has been the best purchase I have made for the boat. It has been totally reliable and easy to work on. Two options I had were I had the remote oil filter installed. The oil filer would be very difficult to change and messy without it. I sent my existing high amperage alternator to  the factory to be installed They modified my alternator to a serpentine  belt and did a great job. This saved hours of work for the installers and it wasn’t very expensive.  Of course you would do the 75 horsepower as you are a SM  I am only a MARAMU but am very happy with it. I have traced from the states to New Zealand and so far every time I turn the key it just goes. 
Bill Fletcher 
MARAMU 179

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 5:35 PM Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:
Ciao y'all.... Davi here on SM#56, Wake. So I've been trying to have my Perkins Prima M80T rebuilt for some months now with disappointing results. Constant gray/white smoke and spitting oil or diesel on the water, eating a liter of oil every 50 hours or so. Even after twice having engine removed, pistons checked, head checked, FI pump rebuilt, injectors tested, new turbo installed.... stumped. Two different mechanics. The first I can now say botched the job, but the second is pretty brilliant and he is at the point where he wants to pull the whole thing to recheck the other work done starting at the pistons again. 

But I am getting fed up. I cannot afford any more high-season-in-the-Med marina layup for weeks. I will be able to limp through the summer here in Italy/Greece with it as is before wintering back here in Palermo, where there is a Beta dealer. I've looked at these engines before, and know they are strong, simple, naturally aspirated, cheaper parts, etc. Price is pretty good too.

So I'm asking if any of you have Betas or can tell me some things about them I might be missing vis a vis a SM repower. They make a 75 horse model, looks pretty sweet, I've only heard good things about them. Any real life insight from ye salty souls??? 

Re: Am I the only one so stupid?

Ian Townsend
 

We have the old 40L/hr DC Dessalator. Our timer is more like a calendar. 💧⌛️😊

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Bahamas

On May 26, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

We are also members of this club. We now set a timer when filling the water tank to remind us to check the progress. It is amazing how many times the timer goes off and we both suddenly sit up because we forgot the water is running.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 5:34 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Am I the only one so stupid?

 

All,

Our 54 has a major design flaw. Or it’s not protected against stupidity, take your pick.
Anyway I managed for the third time now to overflow the fresh water tank while refilling. The problem is that the water does not simply overflows through the filler cap. Instead it gushes out of the level meter pipe next to the companionway right into the main saloon bilge that has no drain. Oops.
Anyone else has the same problem?

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121 

Re: Am I the only one so stupid?

Mark Erdos
 

We are also members of this club. We now set a timer when filling the water tank to remind us to check the progress. It is amazing how many times the timer goes off and we both suddenly sit up because we forgot the water is running.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 5:34 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Am I the only one so stupid?

 

All,

Our 54 has a major design flaw. Or it’s not protected against stupidity, take your pick.
Anyway I managed for the third time now to overflow the fresh water tank while refilling. The problem is that the water does not simply overflows through the filler cap. Instead it gushes out of the level meter pipe next to the companionway right into the main saloon bilge that has no drain. Oops.
Anyone else has the same problem?

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121 

Re: Am I the only one so stupid?

Courtney Gorman
 

Yes we had same problem once 


On May 26, 2019, at 5:40 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Yes, same problem on a SM...I set an alarm every time I filled the tank because I wasn't smart enough to watch it after I overflowed the first time.😡
.
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 4:34 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
All,

Our 54 has a major design flaw. Or it’s not protected against stupidity, take your pick.
Anyway I managed for the third time now to overflow the fresh water tank while refilling. The problem is that the water does not simply overflows through the filler cap. Instead it gushes out of the level meter pipe next to the companionway right into the main saloon bilge that has no drain. Oops.
Anyone else has the same problem?

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121 

Re: Am I the only one so stupid?

karkauai
 

Yep, I’ve done it three times in ten years.  Duh!!!  Nice clean bilge, though  ;-)>
I’ve put everything in the floor lockers in plastic bins, so it’s not as  difficult to clean up.  Water alarm in bilge just under companionway.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 26, 2019, at 5:40 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Yes, same problem on a SM...I set an alarm every time I filled the tank because I wasn't smart enough to watch it after I overflowed the first time.😡
.
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 4:34 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
All,

Our 54 has a major design flaw. Or it’s not protected against stupidity, take your pick.
Anyway I managed for the third time now to overflow the fresh water tank while refilling. The problem is that the water does not simply overflows through the filler cap. Instead it gushes out of the level meter pipe next to the companionway right into the main saloon bilge that has no drain. Oops.
Anyone else has the same problem?

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121 

locked Re: AMEL 55

 

I accidentally deleted John Clanton's posting on this Topic...here it is:
I have owned my 55 for a year and a half, not nearly as long as most people on this forum, and I am not nearly as experienced as most Amel sailors. Nevertheless I have an opinion.  I am confident, agree, and support Joerg’s post regarding Davi’s comments. 
 
I believe that the Amel ethos that Henri created is every bit as present in the 55, and for that matter the 50, as it was in the SM line. Commitment to detail, quality of construction, and best user experience is evident in every element of the 55. These later boats were built on the thousands of miles sailed by our friends in the SM series. 
 
It should be no surprise that sailors have opinions, but I would like to think that Amel owners can be the best guardians of the brand. And by that, celebrating their choices without demeaning others choices. 
 
The 55 is different from the SMs, but is built on the success of the SMs and carries on the heritage created by Henri.  I would not choose a different boat than the one I have, and I truly hope that all Amel owners feel the same way about whichever model they are sailing at the moment. 
 
John W. Clanton 
S/V Devereux 
Amel 55, No. 65
currently in Cartagena
 

Re: Am I the only one so stupid?

 

Yes, same problem on a SM...I set an alarm every time I filled the tank because I wasn't smart enough to watch it after I overflowed the first time.😡
.
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 4:34 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
All,

Our 54 has a major design flaw. Or it’s not protected against stupidity, take your pick.
Anyway I managed for the third time now to overflow the fresh water tank while refilling. The problem is that the water does not simply overflows through the filler cap. Instead it gushes out of the level meter pipe next to the companionway right into the main saloon bilge that has no drain. Oops.
Anyone else has the same problem?

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121 

Am I the only one so stupid?

Arno Luijten
 

All,

Our 54 has a major design flaw. Or it’s not protected against stupidity, take your pick.
Anyway I managed for the third time now to overflow the fresh water tank while refilling. The problem is that the water does not simply overflows through the filler cap. Instead it gushes out of the level meter pipe next to the companionway right into the main saloon bilge that has no drain. Oops.
Anyone else has the same problem?

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121 

Re: Important - Amel 54 and any Electrical Emergency #IMPORTANT

 

Arno,

I apologize, I omitted giving you credit for the 54 wiring photo. Thanks!

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 4:28 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Dean,

Are you sure the schema in the handbook is correct? Mine is not. The batteries are shown in two different pages, both of them are incorrect. One is the one that shows both the 12 v and the 24 v battery, this one is really incorrect, the other shows the 24 volt circuit with the batteries, this one is more accurate but still wrong.

Arno,
SV Luna
A54-121


locked Re: AMEL 55

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Davi,

always good to,love the boat you have. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 26 May 2019 at 18:03 Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

Hi there, so... I have a Super Maramu. So take this with a grain of salt...apologies to those who might have a 55. 

I have a few friends with 55s, and have explored them inside and out. I was disappointed. We are a three person family with three cats living aboard full time also. Storage space was for starters extremely important. Because of all the side windows, there is an incredible lack of interior cabinet space on the 55s (and to a lesser extent, even the 54s where the windows are cut). I don't think I could live full time on here lacking even one cabinet on this SM :D There are a million windows on the aft cabintop where the SM has a sundeck. It seems difficult to make a sundeck over all those hatches, and the sundeck is one of the best things about the SM. The 55s I've seen also have been cutter rigged. I personally dislike that because it eliminates the best spot to best secure a dinghy, ie the foredeck. In our case, a 3.3m all aluminum. It would never fit on a 55. The bow locker on the 55 seemed extremely small, at least the opening. We keep a parasailor in one of the SM's two large bow lockers; I doubt it would fit in a 55. Last but not least, the cockpit. Objectively, it is a waste of space. I spend 75% of my time in the cockpit, why make it smaller and harder to stretch out on watch?? The port bench does not extend past the captains chair (ends at it actually, making it about 5 feet long instead of the SM's 7 or 8 feet), and the whole cockpit is narrower by 2 or 3 feet due to the winches being on the outside of the hard enclosure. The cushions are narrower and the table seemed to be permanently installed in the center of things. There are giant glass windows but they are so far in front of the wheel that it effectively becomes a meter long dashboard where putting anything is awkward or dangerous, ie a waste of space. I also don't know if you can pop up out of the hard top of a 55 ( i dont think so) when you need a better look or just because it feels nice... And all of this for a price tag 3-5 times what a SM costs. 

In short, being a full time livaboard, I would never even trade my SM straight up for a 55 (or a 54 for similar reasons, altho the 54 seems much better value for a liveaboard). If I had the scratch to buy a 55, I would buy the newest SM redline 2000 I could find, and upgrade her new everything and with every little tweak (a king size bed in the back is the best one, followed by a hydraulic table in the saloon that turns it into a king size movie bed ;)  And then put the other 400k left over in my cruising kitty. 

Re: Important - Amel 54 and any Electrical Emergency #IMPORTANT

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Dean,

Are you sure the schema in the handbook is correct? Mine is not. The batteries are shown in two different pages, both of them are incorrect. One is the one that shows both the 12 v and the 24 v battery, this one is really incorrect, the other shows the 24 volt circuit with the batteries, this one is more accurate but still wrong.

Arno,
SV Luna
A54-121

Re: Any SM owners use a Beta engine??

Bill Fletcher
 

I bought a Beta marine 60 six years ago and it has been the best purchase I have made for the boat. It has been totally reliable and easy to work on. Two options I had were I had the remote oil filter installed. The oil filer would be very difficult to change and messy without it. I sent my existing high amperage alternator to  the factory to be installed They modified my alternator to a serpentine  belt and did a great job. This saved hours of work for the installers and it wasn’t very expensive.  Of course you would do the 75 horsepower as you are a SM  I am only a MARAMU but am very happy with it. I have traced from the states to New Zealand and so far every time I turn the key it just goes. 
Bill Fletcher 
MARAMU 179

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 5:35 PM Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:
Ciao y'all.... Davi here on SM#56, Wake. So I've been trying to have my Perkins Prima M80T rebuilt for some months now with disappointing results. Constant gray/white smoke and spitting oil or diesel on the water, eating a liter of oil every 50 hours or so. Even after twice having engine removed, pistons checked, head checked, FI pump rebuilt, injectors tested, new turbo installed.... stumped. Two different mechanics. The first I can now say botched the job, but the second is pretty brilliant and he is at the point where he wants to pull the whole thing to recheck the other work done starting at the pistons again. 

But I am getting fed up. I cannot afford any more high-season-in-the-Med marina layup for weeks. I will be able to limp through the summer here in Italy/Greece with it as is before wintering back here in Palermo, where there is a Beta dealer. I've looked at these engines before, and know they are strong, simple, naturally aspirated, cheaper parts, etc. Price is pretty good too.

So I'm asking if any of you have Betas or can tell me some things about them I might be missing vis a vis a SM repower. They make a 75 horse model, looks pretty sweet, I've only heard good things about them. Any real life insight from ye salty souls??? 

locked Re: AMEL 55

 

I think the 55 is a great Amel. Of course, I feel the SM and 54 are great Amels. Neither of these 3 Amels are for everyone. And compared side-by-side there are significant differences as there are in all sailing yachts made over a 34 year period of time. Many things change in 30+ years, especially the market and what the market demands. Amel is in the business of manufacturing yachts. A 34 year old design may appeal to some people today, but it is not what the market is looking for.

I believe there was a bit of genius with Amel's introduction of the Amel 50. Based on sales, this is exactly what the market wanted from Amel. Everyone of us has a stake in Amel's success. Also, you should notice that our main page (AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com) reads, in part: This Group frowns on commercial postings, however we encourage postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that will be offensive to any Group Member. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 3:16 PM Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, I’ve owned a 55 for 3 years now.  I disagree with just about everything that Davi says about the 55. I wont put up a post trashing the Sm.  Let me say just one thing.  The 55 is a terrific further development of the 54 and you get what you pay for, and then some.  

Re: Important - Amel 54 and any Electrical Emergency #IMPORTANT

Dean Gillies
 

Another important point to note is that Solar regulators should preferably be connected to the ‘panel side’ of the battery isolator switches.  (For the same reasons).  However, this means that battery isolator switches must be left on when solar charging is wanted, eg during wintering. For this reason, I suspect many folks will connect the solar regulator to the battery side. Noting of course that the solar system should always incorporate breakers on the panel and battery side of the regulator.
All interesting issues to consider when briefing crew etc.
Dean

locked Re: AMEL 55

Joerg Esdorn
 

Hi, I’ve owned a 55 for 3 years now.  I disagree with just about everything that Davi says about the 55. I wont put up a post trashing the Sm.  Let me say just one thing.  The 55 is a terrific further development of the 54 and you get what you pay for, and then some.  

Re: Important - Amel 54 and any Electrical Emergency #IMPORTANT

Dean Gillies
 

Thanks for promulgating that warning Bill, a timely reminder to all.

What you describe is exactly how my 54 #154 is configured. It is also documented as such in the circuit schematics in the  owner’s manual.
Im pretty sure all of my previous boats were also configured in this way.
I suppose “battery isolation switches’ do exactly as their name implies - they isolate the batteries. Everything else stays connected together.
Best regards
Dean
SY Stella A54-154
A Coruña 

Important - Amel 54 and any Electrical Emergency #IMPORTANT

 

All,
 
I have always recommended, if an Electrical Emergency happens aboard your Amel, the Main Battery Switches should be immediately turned OFF (opened). I have also urged owners to discuss this with crew and especially guests.
 
Something has come to my attention that surprised me. The 24 volt alternator on Amel 54s, and possibly other Amels, is wired to the 24 Volt Panel side of the Main Battery Switches. This means, if engine is running and you turn OFF the Main Battery Switches, all of the 24 volt devices will continue to get 24 volt power because the 24 volt alternator is generating power and is connected to the 24 volt panel side of the Main Battery Switches. When this recently happened to a client, I was also surprised that the Volvo D3 continued to run with the Main Battery Switches OFF because the D3 needs 12 volts to run. I suspect the D3 was getting current to run from its 12 volt alternator, but that surprises me also.
 
This is really important that you understand the Main Battery Switches will disconnect the batteries, but not the 24 volt alternator. In the case of the Amel 54, and possibly other Amels, to turn OFF 24 volt power, the Volvo D3 must be OFF as well as the the Main Battery Switches set to OFF.
 
I am sure that we all would like to know about other model Amels. I do not recommend turning off the switches with the engine running, but rather tracing the wiring.
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: Batteries: single failed battery in the house bank, impact for other batteries

 

I am not sure, and I believe you believe the same. With thousands of miles ahead of you and 3+ year old battery bank, I would consider changing the entire house bank, especially since getting 3-4 years is average for high-use Amels. 

Good on the lead acid start battery. 

When troubleshooting the Onan, I believe the weak point is the cable that runs inside from the negative connection post to the battery side of the Negative start solenoid.  The connection post where cables from the battery switches connect is located on the left side, facing, about half way down. I believe you can easily bypass this undersized cable by connecting a jumper from that connection post to the battery side of the negative start solenoid. You could also test the negative start solenoid by connecting that jumper cable to the starter side of the negative solenoid. 1 jumper cable can be used to test two items. If the problem turns out to be the negative start solenoid, don't leave that jumper on the starter side of the solenoid permanently.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, May 26, 2019, 11:24 AM David Vogel <david.vogel@...> wrote:
Greetings all,

Whilst trouble-shooting an unserviceable ONAN (failure to crank), I checked out the health of the 105Ah 800CCA AGM start battery (good), and house-bank (12x105Ah AGMs).  Start and house batteries were all AGM, same model and date-of-install (Sep'16).

All tested OK, with the exception of one battery in the house bank, which failed the State-of-Charge test with an Open-Circuit-Voltage (OCV) of 11.00V (as measured, so no surprises here), unstable; and failed State-of-Health of CCA of 35.0A).
The other battery in the pair containing the failed battery surprisingly tested OK, with SoC 12.72V [92%] and SoH CCA of 642A [91%].

As an interim step, whilst considering broader options ...
... I replaced the good start-battery with a 100Ah/700CCA flooded lead-acid battery; removed the failed AGM battery from the house bank, and replaced it with the 'good' AGM start battery.  The performance of the house battery bank immediately improved, I guess due to the absence of the parasitic load of the failed battery.

However, concerned about the remaining battery in the new pair contained the failed battery, I have been keeping a close eye on the charge volts, current, and temps of all batteries.  24 hours after the swap-out/in, during the second charge cycle, I noted high charging current to the new battery-pair containing the old-start battery.

The smart-charger was ordering ~150Amps from the 175A/24V Leece-Neville (normal for the start-of-charge-cycle) - 5 battery-pairs were accepting about 20Amps each (OK and as expected, at ~20% of the '20-hour rate' of 105Ah), but the 'at risk' pair was accepting 40 to 50Amps.  Temps for the 5 'good' pairs were about 1ºC above ambient and stable; but the temp of the questionable pair was ambient +2ºC and rising.  I stopped the charge cycle after 30 minutes; and isolated the questionable pair from the house-bank by removing the bridging strap between the batteries in the pair.  Shortly after the cessation of the interrupted charge cycle, the temperature of the high-current pair peaked at 36.5ºC (ambient other batteries +2.5ºC).

I am seeking clarification regarding: Is is likely that the remaining battery from the 'old pair' had already suffered irreversible damage (such as an internal short), thereby reducing internal resistance, thereby accepting a higher charge (than the other 'good' battery pairs).

On the basis of temperature alone , I do not think I have suffered temperature-related damage to the old start battery.  However:

Question - is it likely that 30-minutes of charge at twice the maximum recommend bulk/absorption current charge-rate has resulted in permanent damage to the previously 'good' start-battery?

This discussion shared for the learning, and also for the benefit of trouble-shooting by other unfortunates who may in future find themselves in a similar predicament.

Thanks in anticipation ...

David
SM#396/Perigee
On anchor, Brisas, Pacific side of Panama
  Departure for the Marquesas pending the
    return of the ONAN to service

Diagnostic tools: Magneti Marelli BT002 Battery Tester; FLIR TG165 Spot Thermal Camera; Voltcraft VC-595OLED Digital Clamp Multimeter.
Note: the OLED display on the Voltcraft multimeter is impossible to read in direct sunlight, so next time I would choose a model with a different type of display.  Otherwise, this is a great tool, although I do not use the BlueTooth functionality.