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Re: Companion way for removal

Alan Grayson
 

We just painted ours. Epoxy filler, Epoxy primer and awlgrip topcoat. Nordic white
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
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Sent: Monday, 14 October 2019 3:45:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal
 
Thank you Eric for the first extensive tutorial, 
Thank you Ian for the alternative product
Thank you Bill for the very insightful questions.

Even if there was some previous threads about this subject in the forum, we all need to clarify the most secure way to replace the veneer using a wood product and placing it also under the external guides because, in some rough conditions, if the job isn't made in using a single sheet properly glued, it can drive to a blocked companionway after sometime in bad weather which is highly undesirable…
Ian, may be have you some images and a more detailed process and we can start here to make a detailed how-to. 
If we succeed, I'll update my external veener and post here also the details and images.
Kind regards
FF


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul, 

I ahree with Bill

 The foam luff is essential. I find sailmakers resist putting them in and suggest altenatives. I can only assume the foam luff is more difficult. My advice. Insist on the foam luff.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl 

On 15 October 2019 at 05:52 Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I'm in the process of ordering sails most likely Radial Hydranet from Incidences. One concern I have they do not do Foam luff, they claim it's no good. Now my questions to you who have incidences genoas, Do you have foam luff? if not, does it furl/reef well?
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259 wintering in Lagos


Re: Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter

Thomas Peacock
 

As part of putting in new instruments, I was able to shut down the “permanent” Sailor. Unfortunately, we do not have an on/off switch anywhere on our Sailors.

When I installed a new Raymarine Autohelm, the main box has a 12 volt output for networking instruments that includes a power supply. Therefore, the various gauges and chart plotter all get power from that. One could consider having a backup power source for instruments, in case the autohelm were to go bad. The instruments are all activated by the Autohelm breaker. The new Quantum radar also is wired into that breaker, 24 volts. Thus, one Sailor is now freed up.
Since the VHF is the most important of my present 12 volt devices, it has its own dedicated Sailor.
The second Sailor runs the FM/CD radio, as well as the 12 volt circuits for cigar lighters. Since cigar lighter plugs and receptacles are finicky, we don’t use them anymore. Instead, I installed a 24 v to 5 v USB hub for phone and other small device charging. However, be aware that very new laptops may use the new USB 3/USB-C type connectors to charge the computer battery. It is important to be aware of the total demand on your USB hub.
The third Sailor is inactivated by having pulled the fuse. However, I sleep well at night knowing that in case either of the other two Sailors were to go down, there is at least a spare.

I don’t really care about the radio storing stations. But, if important, one could run the dedicated wire from the radio to the 12 v starter battery, with an in-line fuse. That is what is done on automobiles. The power draw is negligible. Plus you could always just pull the fuse if leaving unattended for more than a few weeks.

Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay, US, leaving for Martinique November 3


On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I’m surprised about the function of the Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter. If I understand it right the only original function is to keep the memory in the FM/AM radio even when the main switch is off.
The current when it is on is ca 0,5 volt, that is a lot of Ah during a day, or during a two-week crossing it’s close to 165Ah. That is a lot of waste unless you regularly run your gen set but we try to rely on solar.
The only way to turn it off is to pull out the fuse. To me that is overkill to have such a heavy-duty converter for such a little use.
 When my friend changes his car battery, he connects an ordinary 9 volt battery to the stereo and that is enough to keep the memory.
I have connected some 12 v appliances to the permanent converter, 12v led light in the galley, and a few USB outlets.
Have I missed anything about the function of the Permanent converter?
Paul on SY Kerpa SAM#259 Lagos


Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I agree Bill

Danny

On 11 October 2019 at 10:09 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Eamonn,

I will politely remind you of this:
"We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor."
Please edit your post for two reasons: (1)You stated your opinion as fact, and (2) it was disrespectful of Amel management.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
     
 


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:48 PM Eamonn Washington < eamonn.washington@...> wrote:
Hi

In 5 years I never had twisted chain issues, with 80m galvanised chain, anchoring about 120 times a year in the past 3 years.

Amel supplied, shall we say, inferior anchors to what was available in the industry.  Could be they also supplied inferior swivels.  I guess they reason owners would upgrade to modern (spade, rocna, ultra) anchors and swivels.  I personally installed a spade anchor, with a bow shackle to 3 links of chain, then a kong swivel, then my 80m chain.  (The 3 links of chain avoid the swivel ever having a lateral load which would exceed its capabilities.)  

Regarding the stainless steel jumping on the gypsy, maybe it is because stainless steel stretches and some links don’t fit so well on the gypsy any more.  

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Denia, Spain.

 

 


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Ian Townsend
 

Make sure that Incidences cuts your mainsail to the proper size. The previous owner commissioned from Incidences and the "P" dimension (luff) was 45 cm too short. As a result the "E" (foot) was also incorrect.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
US East Coast

On Oct 14, 2019, at 6:59 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I truly believe that a foam luff is needed on an Amel furling foresail, especially if you ever plan to reef the sail.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:52 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
I'm in the process of ordering sails most likely Radial Hydranet from Incidences. One concern I have they do not do Foam luff, they claim it's no good. Now my questions to you who have incidences genoas, Do you have foam luff? if not, does it furl/reef well?
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259 wintering in Lagos


Re: Companion way for removal

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The horizontal orientation was primarily personal preference from the customary way companionway hatches have traditionally been fabricated; when they had to be removed and stowed.  Also, if someone was intent on breaking in the strength of the assembly is far stronger in the horizontal configuration.  Discounting the inability to remove the hatch the Amel method of sliding the hatch down and leaving it in place is nice.

PS - The authorities announced yesterday the overturned car carrier at St. Simons is going to be sectioned and removed in pieces.

--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill Thank you
I will add a switch not to concerned to loose my radio settings 
Paul


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

 

I truly believe that a foam luff is needed on an Amel furling foresail, especially if you ever plan to reef the sail.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:52 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
I'm in the process of ordering sails most likely Radial Hydranet from Incidences. One concern I have they do not do Foam luff, they claim it's no good. Now my questions to you who have incidences genoas, Do you have foam luff? if not, does it furl/reef well?
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259 wintering in Lagos


Re: Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter

 

Paul,

I heard a humorous story about the "PERMANENT." Several owners of SMs, who knew Captain Amel well, complained about losing the memory in the AM/FM radio. Apparently they complained long enough and loud enough that Henri Amel did something about it and installed this PERMANENT 24-12 volt converter. It powers the AM/FM radio, 12 volt accessory receptacles and the Chain Counter. My understanding is that all were installed with an ON/OFF toggle switch (see photo below). Early SMs the switch was to the rear (1st photo), and later SMs the switch (2nd photo) was to the front. The Amel 54 also has a PERMANENT circuit (switch in 3rd photo).

The biggest problem with amp draw that I have seen is that this is the circuit that seems to always get overloaded as new 12 volt devices are added. I do not think that I have ever seen a SM that does not have some wiring added to the PERMANENT circuit. I believe if any SM is drawing more amps than it should on this circuit, that you will find something has been added.
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--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:30 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I’m surprised about the function of the Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter. If I understand it right the only original function is to keep the memory in the FM/AM radio even when the main switch is off.

The current when it is on is ca 0,5 volt, that is a lot of Ah during a day, or during a two-week crossing it’s close to 165Ah. That is a lot of waste unless you regularly run your gen set but we try to rely on solar.

The only way to turn it off is to pull out the fuse. To me that is overkill to have such a heavy-duty converter for such a little use.

 When my friend changes his car battery, he connects an ordinary 9 volt battery to the stereo and that is enough to keep the memory.

I have connected some 12 v appliances to the permanent converter, 12v led light in the galley, and a few USB outlets.

Have I missed anything about the function of the Permanent converter?

Paul on SY Kerpa SAM#259 Lagos


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Paul Osterberg
 

I'm in the process of ordering sails most likely Radial Hydranet from Incidences. One concern I have they do not do Foam luff, they claim it's no good. Now my questions to you who have incidences genoas, Do you have foam luff? if not, does it furl/reef well?
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259 wintering in Lagos


Re: Water in Forward Head Bilge and Bow Thruster

ngtnewington Newington
 

No but i will post one when I get back to the boat later this week.

Nick
Amelia AML 54-019

On 14 Oct 2019, at 14:56, Arno Luijten via Groups.Io <aluijten=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Nick,

Do you have a picture of the place where you had this leak?

Thanks,

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121



Re: Outhaul

 

Paul, I understand. However, if there were a source for the worm & spur gear, the gearbox could certainly be rebuilt. Amel previously stocked the Bronze Spur gear. They either made a decision to stop stocking it, or it became unavailable. I always thought that it was problematic for Amel to sell the bronze spur gear, because possibly the harder worm gear could also damaged. This would cause owners to be unhappy with the purchase of one, then having to purchase a second.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:33 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Bill!
Sorry for my lack of knowledge I thought the whole gear box was called a worm gear, anyhow I would like to have a whole gear box as a spare, not only the Spur gear
Paul


Re: Outhaul

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill!
Sorry for my lack of knowledge I thought the whole gear box was called a worm gear, anyhow I would like to have a whole gear box as a spare, not only the Spur gear
Paul


Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter

Paul Osterberg
 

I’m surprised about the function of the Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter. If I understand it right the only original function is to keep the memory in the FM/AM radio even when the main switch is off.

The current when it is on is ca 0,5 volt, that is a lot of Ah during a day, or during a two-week crossing it’s close to 165Ah. That is a lot of waste unless you regularly run your gen set but we try to rely on solar.

The only way to turn it off is to pull out the fuse. To me that is overkill to have such a heavy-duty converter for such a little use.

 When my friend changes his car battery, he connects an ordinary 9 volt battery to the stereo and that is enough to keep the memory.

I have connected some 12 v appliances to the permanent converter, 12v led light in the galley, and a few USB outlets.

Have I missed anything about the function of the Permanent converter?

Paul on SY Kerpa SAM#259 Lagos


Re: Outhaul

 

Paul,

Normally it is the Spur Gear that wears out.
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--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:02 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
I have a few questions about the Outhaul
1. How do I secure that I got a water tight connection between the Electric motor and the gear box? see picture there is no gasket
2. What shall I use to "lubricate" the shaft with to avoid it get stuck again? Of course I will loosen it on a regular basis for "lubrication"
3. Anyone know where I can buy a new Leroy Somer worm gear see picture . Amel ask 730 € plus VAT and freight that will exceed 1000 € not reasonable

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Wintering in Lagos, Portugal


Re: Companion way for removal

Michael Mueller
 

Nice Job Mark and Debbie,

is there a reason why you choose to run the wood fiber structure horizontal and not vertical?
I assume it was done be the wood shop you had mentioned before.

Sorry I missed you in Annapolis.

kind regards
Michael & Robyn
RIPPLE SM2K #417


Re: Steering Wheel remove

 

Jose,

Maybe the attached will help you.


--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:27 AM JOSE PRIETO <prietomd11@...> wrote:
How to remove the steering wheel? The metal
plate with screws do not
move... maybe some glue? Any tip?


Outhaul

Paul Osterberg
 

I have a few questions about the Outhaul
1. How do I secure that I got a water tight connection between the Electric motor and the gear box? see picture there is no gasket
2. What shall I use to "lubricate" the shaft with to avoid it get stuck again? Of course I will loosen it on a regular basis for "lubrication"
3. Anyone know where I can buy a new Leroy Somer worm gear see picture . Amel ask 730 € plus VAT and freight that will exceed 1000 € not reasonable

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Wintering in Lagos, Portugal


Re: Companion way for removal

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The other alternative is to replace the companionway door.  Take measurements for height then section the door with a saw and remove the pieces.  Select a wood of your choice and using the existing door as template for width and thickness, match the Amel door very closely, fabricate the sections and glue in place.  In our case we used teak. 
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Companion way for removal

scentstone
 

Thank you Eric for the first extensive tutorial, 
Thank you Ian for the alternative product
Thank you Bill for the very insightful questions.

Even if there was some previous threads about this subject in the forum, we all need to clarify the most secure way to replace the veneer using a wood product and placing it also under the external guides because, in some rough conditions, if the job isn't made in using a single sheet properly glued, it can drive to a blocked companionway after sometime in bad weather which is highly undesirable…
Ian, may be have you some images and a more detailed process and we can start here to make a detailed how-to. 
If we succeed, I'll update my external veener and post here also the details and images.
Kind regards
FF