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Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Alan Leslie
 

Generally you don;t have a foam luff in a gennaker. These sails are designed to be used reaching and downwind in light conditions.
 The foam luff is only required in a headsail that you intend to partially furl when sailing up wind in strong conditions. The foam insert helps to maintain sail shape when partially furled but it's still not the best, the sail is still far too full in the middle.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Joerg Esdorn
 

My incidences Genoa does not have a foam luff.  It’s not a thing of beauty when furled but it’s good enough even for upwind work.  You can’t point as well in increased seas anyways, even in a 55.  The Leads are too far back also if you furl more than 3 marks.  So If it’s blowing 25+, I use the staysail upwind.  I have reefed that as well in more than 35 kn upwind. It looks fine.  If I did not have a staysail, I would experiment with a foam luff.  If it’s no longer working you can always replace it. 

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 Kincsem
#53


Re: SM Bow thruster wiring diagram?

Eamonn Washington
 

Amel contacted me, they now can supply the full up down mechanism for the bow thruster including motor and wiring, with the 20cm jack screw installed.  It is 1258 euros plus 20% VAT.

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Cartagena, Spain.


Re: A54 genoa furler tube grease

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Thomas, if amel used thecsame system as the sm the wire on the forestay is slathered with grease before it is inserted into the foil. This is to lubricate the wire/foil conection as the sail is rolled and unrolled. They used a high viscosity grease but in warmer areas it becomes a bit fluid and leaks out the bottom. Bit messy but not a big issue. Eventually it will need replenishing indicated by a scraping noise when you are furling. If you ever have the forestay off for any reason take the oportunity to grease the stay then.

Regards Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 16 October 2019 at 08:20 Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Recently our genoa furler tube started to leak a bit of grease at the connection with the furler motor.

Does anyone know how it should be topped up and with what type of grease? Any more permanent fix?

Note that the furler motor was upgraded to a Reckmann by the former owner and that the tube is a black, 2-rail one, which I believe is not the original (ie the 3-rail grey ones I’ve seen on other 54s). I wouldn’t think it matters too much to the problem though. 

Many thanks!

Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 


Re: A54 - bow roller hooks

Stefan Schaufert
 

Hi Thomas,

I use this hooks for placing/locking the anchor „rope“ - to relieve the windlass.
The first loop is on the big towing cleat, the other end (with a thimble + shackle) on the chain - going over the rubber wheel.
If you do not use one of the hooks, the rope will shave on the genua foot - not for long ;-).
I do not know if this is the „Henry Amel“ purpose of this hooks, but for me it makes sense and works well.

Best regards
Stefan
A54-119 Lady Charlyette - still in Porto Santo (I will give you a feedback for your mural painting at the end of the week.)


Re: SM2K: Replacing a CLIMMA 9EH AC unit in the Salon #replacement

Gary Wells
 

I had the forward unit give me fits with tripping the main breaker and it turned out (eventually) to be bad corrosion on the lower connection on the heater coil.
Once I clipped and sealed the heater wires the air conditioner worked fine with no further issue.

So, we've been fine without a heater and the.ac is not tripping anything now.

I'm definitely looking to replace the units next year so I'll gladly follow along with what you decide. 

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland. 


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Barry,

Yes, the genoa should have a foam luff. As i said before sailmakers seem to resist puttig them in but you cannot have good sail shape partially furled without. The same applies to any luff furling sail, it is to do with the greater fullness in the middle of the sail  as it furls the foam luff takes it up. However i am surprised you have it on the main. I would have thought there would not be room in the mast to allow this. I have just accepted the poorer main shape partially furled.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 16 October 2019 at 04:00 "Barry Connor via Groups.Io" <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,
I do have foam luffs in my main sail but can’t see any in the original supplied Genoa.
Is it good to also have foam luffs in the Genoa?
Best 

Barry and Penny
“S/V Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Almerimar, Spain

 

On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:00, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan,

I cant agree that a rope insert is a viable option. I have had it foisted on me by sailmakers in the past. It does not do the job. A properly made foam insert is tapered at the ends and full in the middle. This takes up the fullness in the center of the sail and maintains good sail shape.It is important that the thickness of the foam is comensurate with the cut of the sail.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl   


On 15 October 2019 at 20:11 Alan Leslie < s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

If you intend to sail with the genoa partly furled you definitely need a foam or rope luff insert.
Even with these the sail shape is not great when furled but it's definitely better than not having it.
The sail shape doesn't look too bad from the cockpit, but have a look at a yacht sailing behind you with a furled genoa and you'll see how baggy it is, whoich wehne the breeze gets up, is exactly what you don't want!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


 


 


Re: Companion way for removal

scentstone
 

Thank you Eric for the clarification… very interesting.

Craig, can you please, if you remenber, tell us how difficult was the dodger removal/lift up and how did you proceed?

Thank you to Atlan and Mark and all others for sharing experience
F.


A54 genoa furler tube grease

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

Recently our genoa furler tube started to leak a bit of grease at the connection with the furler motor.

Does anyone know how it should be topped up and with what type of grease? Any more permanent fix?

Note that the furler motor was upgraded to a Reckmann by the former owner and that the tube is a black, 2-rail one, which I believe is not the original (ie the 3-rail grey ones I’ve seen on other 54s). I wouldn’t think it matters too much to the problem though. 

Many thanks!

Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 


A54 - bow roller hooks

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

On the Amel 54 there is a pair of of downward facing hooks on the bow roller:

(Pic from Amel user guide, emphasis mine)

Do you know what they are for? How do you use them?

Best,
Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Fakarava, French Polynesia 


Re: SM2K: Replacing a CLIMMA 9EH AC unit in the Salon #replacement

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The Climma utilizes an electric heating element, a number of other brands utilize a heat pump or reverse cycle system that requires the A/C raw water pump to run when in the heating mode.  If you have a preference check it out first.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Hi Danny,
I do have foam luffs in my main sail but can’t see any in the original supplied Genoa.
Is it good to also have foam luffs in the Genoa?
Best 

Barry and Penny
“S/V Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Almerimar, Spain


On Oct 15, 2019, at 12:00, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Alan,

I cant agree that a rope insert is a viable option. I have had it foisted on me by sailmakers in the past. It does not do the job. A properly made foam insert is tapered at the ends and full in the middle. This takes up the fullness in the center of the sail and maintains good sail shape.It is important that the thickness of the foam is comensurate with the cut of the sail.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl   


On 15 October 2019 at 20:11 Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

If you intend to sail with the genoa partly furled you definitely need a foam or rope luff insert.
Even with these the sail shape is not great when furled but it's definitely better than not having it.
The sail shape doesn't look too bad from the cockpit, but have a look at a yacht sailing behind you with a furled genoa and you'll see how baggy it is, whoich wehne the breeze gets up, is exactly what you don't want!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Peter Forbes
 

Paul,

I am having a genakker ( code zero) made by Incidence in La Rochelle at the moment - I will know shortly if it had foam luff.

Peter Forbes 
Carango 
AMEL 54 #035
0044 (0)7836 209730

On 15 Oct 2019, at 13:17, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Tachometer not playing ball - TMD22

Arlo
 

My tach on my Perkins showed similiar behavior and I traced it back to a corroded connector on the alternator that goes back to the tach. Check the sensor voltage on the back of the tach when the engine is running. I believe the voltage for the tach sensor on my perkins was around 6 or 8 volts when working properly. I cleaned the alternator spades and replaced the female connector and all is well now. 


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Paul Brown
 

I will be asking the question to the designers of the incidence sails installed on the Post 2011 Amel’s if any were installed with a foam luff or why foam luffs were not installed on the Genoa 

Regards, Paul... Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Oct 2019, at 23:44, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

A foam luff is not relevant to sail construction. It’s relevant to how a sail rolls up on the furler. It’s required if you want to optimize performance while partially furled (reefed)....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Tachometer not playing ball - TMD22

 

It could be your 12 volt alternator....the tach gets its signal from the Alternator. Sounds like the alternator is NOT exciting. Probable cause is a faulty relay or loose wire to the relay.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 4:51 AM David Cummane via Groups.Io <davidcummane=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
The needle on the tacho for my Volvo Penta TMD22 goes to the far side of the dial on turning the key but does not return to zero/rev count.

Periodically the needle shows a rev count after the engine has been running for some time.

Behind the panel there are two black wires connected to a female pin which looks like it should be attached to a male pin, however there are no obvious male pins available.  Picture below.

Has anyone had a similar problem or can anyone shed some light?

Many thanks

David Cummane
Ker Marie, SM#101 


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Matt Salatino
 

A foam luff is not relevant to sail construction. It’s relevant to how a sail rolls up on the furler. It’s required if you want to optimize performance while partially furled (reefed)....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Paul Brown
 

Hi Paul

I have sailed around 3500nm since last April when I purchase Fortuna II 55/17. All sails are Incidence sails and the Genoa does not have a foam luff. From my experience reefing the Genoa many times we have not had an issue with its performance and we are very satisfied and would replace with the same unless we could install a better solution.

Regards Paul  - Fortuna II 55/17

Regards, Paul... Sent from my iPhone

On 15 Oct 2019, at 23:17, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54 and SM

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you all for advice on foam luff, but I have still not heard any comments from the one who have incidence genoa and it must be many out there who have them, does it have foam luff or not? if not how does it perform? I would be very grateful for your feed back, I added SM in the head line to maybe attract a few more members to respond
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Companion way for removal

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Kent,
We put in Plexiglas years ago. It's absolutely fantastic for brightening the cabin (you may recall seeing it). For privacy in a marina at night we have a simple finished piece of upholstery material that hangs by loops on the hatch knobs.
Removed the seal and the small gap (~1/16") left is never an issue - what little water enters when washing the cockpit or driving rain simply drains out as designed. (Haven't played submarine in a hurricane like Eric, though, but I'm confident it would not be an issue.) Removed the dodger to install it.
Cheers, Craig