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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I agree Bill

Danny

On 11 October 2019 at 10:09 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Eamonn,

I will politely remind you of this:
"We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor."
Please edit your post for two reasons: (1)You stated your opinion as fact, and (2) it was disrespectful of Amel management.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
     
 


On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:48 PM Eamonn Washington < eamonn.washington@...> wrote:
Hi

In 5 years I never had twisted chain issues, with 80m galvanised chain, anchoring about 120 times a year in the past 3 years.

Amel supplied, shall we say, inferior anchors to what was available in the industry.  Could be they also supplied inferior swivels.  I guess they reason owners would upgrade to modern (spade, rocna, ultra) anchors and swivels.  I personally installed a spade anchor, with a bow shackle to 3 links of chain, then a kong swivel, then my 80m chain.  (The 3 links of chain avoid the swivel ever having a lateral load which would exceed its capabilities.)  

Regarding the stainless steel jumping on the gypsy, maybe it is because stainless steel stretches and some links don’t fit so well on the gypsy any more.  

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Denia, Spain.

 

 


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Ian Townsend
 

Make sure that Incidences cuts your mainsail to the proper size. The previous owner commissioned from Incidences and the "P" dimension (luff) was 45 cm too short. As a result the "E" (foot) was also incorrect.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
US East Coast

On Oct 14, 2019, at 6:59 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I truly believe that a foam luff is needed on an Amel furling foresail, especially if you ever plan to reef the sail.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:52 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
I'm in the process of ordering sails most likely Radial Hydranet from Incidences. One concern I have they do not do Foam luff, they claim it's no good. Now my questions to you who have incidences genoas, Do you have foam luff? if not, does it furl/reef well?
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259 wintering in Lagos


Re: Companion way for removal

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The horizontal orientation was primarily personal preference from the customary way companionway hatches have traditionally been fabricated; when they had to be removed and stowed.  Also, if someone was intent on breaking in the strength of the assembly is far stronger in the horizontal configuration.  Discounting the inability to remove the hatch the Amel method of sliding the hatch down and leaving it in place is nice.

PS - The authorities announced yesterday the overturned car carrier at St. Simons is going to be sectioned and removed in pieces.

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Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill Thank you
I will add a switch not to concerned to loose my radio settings 
Paul


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

 

I truly believe that a foam luff is needed on an Amel furling foresail, especially if you ever plan to reef the sail.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:52 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
I'm in the process of ordering sails most likely Radial Hydranet from Incidences. One concern I have they do not do Foam luff, they claim it's no good. Now my questions to you who have incidences genoas, Do you have foam luff? if not, does it furl/reef well?
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259 wintering in Lagos


Re: Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter

 

Paul,

I heard a humorous story about the "PERMANENT." Several owners of SMs, who knew Captain Amel well, complained about losing the memory in the AM/FM radio. Apparently they complained long enough and loud enough that Henri Amel did something about it and installed this PERMANENT 24-12 volt converter. It powers the AM/FM radio, 12 volt accessory receptacles and the Chain Counter. My understanding is that all were installed with an ON/OFF toggle switch (see photo below). Early SMs the switch was to the rear (1st photo), and later SMs the switch (2nd photo) was to the front. The Amel 54 also has a PERMANENT circuit (switch in 3rd photo).

The biggest problem with amp draw that I have seen is that this is the circuit that seems to always get overloaded as new 12 volt devices are added. I do not think that I have ever seen a SM that does not have some wiring added to the PERMANENT circuit. I believe if any SM is drawing more amps than it should on this circuit, that you will find something has been added.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:30 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I’m surprised about the function of the Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter. If I understand it right the only original function is to keep the memory in the FM/AM radio even when the main switch is off.

The current when it is on is ca 0,5 volt, that is a lot of Ah during a day, or during a two-week crossing it’s close to 165Ah. That is a lot of waste unless you regularly run your gen set but we try to rely on solar.

The only way to turn it off is to pull out the fuse. To me that is overkill to have such a heavy-duty converter for such a little use.

 When my friend changes his car battery, he connects an ordinary 9 volt battery to the stereo and that is enough to keep the memory.

I have connected some 12 v appliances to the permanent converter, 12v led light in the galley, and a few USB outlets.

Have I missed anything about the function of the Permanent converter?

Paul on SY Kerpa SAM#259 Lagos


Re: New Genoa sail for Amel 54

Paul Osterberg
 

I'm in the process of ordering sails most likely Radial Hydranet from Incidences. One concern I have they do not do Foam luff, they claim it's no good. Now my questions to you who have incidences genoas, Do you have foam luff? if not, does it furl/reef well?
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259 wintering in Lagos


Re: Water in Forward Head Bilge and Bow Thruster

ngtnewington Newington
 

No but i will post one when I get back to the boat later this week.

Nick
Amelia AML 54-019

On 14 Oct 2019, at 14:56, Arno Luijten via Groups.Io <aluijten=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Nick,

Do you have a picture of the place where you had this leak?

Thanks,

Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121



Re: Outhaul

 

Paul, I understand. However, if there were a source for the worm & spur gear, the gearbox could certainly be rebuilt. Amel previously stocked the Bronze Spur gear. They either made a decision to stop stocking it, or it became unavailable. I always thought that it was problematic for Amel to sell the bronze spur gear, because possibly the harder worm gear could also damaged. This would cause owners to be unhappy with the purchase of one, then having to purchase a second.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:33 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Bill!
Sorry for my lack of knowledge I thought the whole gear box was called a worm gear, anyhow I would like to have a whole gear box as a spare, not only the Spur gear
Paul


Re: Outhaul

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill!
Sorry for my lack of knowledge I thought the whole gear box was called a worm gear, anyhow I would like to have a whole gear box as a spare, not only the Spur gear
Paul


Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter

Paul Osterberg
 

I’m surprised about the function of the Permanent 24 v to 12 v converter. If I understand it right the only original function is to keep the memory in the FM/AM radio even when the main switch is off.

The current when it is on is ca 0,5 volt, that is a lot of Ah during a day, or during a two-week crossing it’s close to 165Ah. That is a lot of waste unless you regularly run your gen set but we try to rely on solar.

The only way to turn it off is to pull out the fuse. To me that is overkill to have such a heavy-duty converter for such a little use.

 When my friend changes his car battery, he connects an ordinary 9 volt battery to the stereo and that is enough to keep the memory.

I have connected some 12 v appliances to the permanent converter, 12v led light in the galley, and a few USB outlets.

Have I missed anything about the function of the Permanent converter?

Paul on SY Kerpa SAM#259 Lagos


Re: Outhaul

 

Paul,

Normally it is the Spur Gear that wears out.
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:02 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
I have a few questions about the Outhaul
1. How do I secure that I got a water tight connection between the Electric motor and the gear box? see picture there is no gasket
2. What shall I use to "lubricate" the shaft with to avoid it get stuck again? Of course I will loosen it on a regular basis for "lubrication"
3. Anyone know where I can buy a new Leroy Somer worm gear see picture . Amel ask 730 € plus VAT and freight that will exceed 1000 € not reasonable

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Wintering in Lagos, Portugal


Re: Companion way for removal

Michael Mueller
 

Nice Job Mark and Debbie,

is there a reason why you choose to run the wood fiber structure horizontal and not vertical?
I assume it was done be the wood shop you had mentioned before.

Sorry I missed you in Annapolis.

kind regards
Michael & Robyn
RIPPLE SM2K #417


Re: Steering Wheel remove

 

Jose,

Maybe the attached will help you.


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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:27 AM JOSE PRIETO <prietomd11@...> wrote:
How to remove the steering wheel? The metal
plate with screws do not
move... maybe some glue? Any tip?


Outhaul

Paul Osterberg
 

I have a few questions about the Outhaul
1. How do I secure that I got a water tight connection between the Electric motor and the gear box? see picture there is no gasket
2. What shall I use to "lubricate" the shaft with to avoid it get stuck again? Of course I will loosen it on a regular basis for "lubrication"
3. Anyone know where I can buy a new Leroy Somer worm gear see picture . Amel ask 730 € plus VAT and freight that will exceed 1000 € not reasonable

Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Wintering in Lagos, Portugal


Re: Companion way for removal

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The other alternative is to replace the companionway door.  Take measurements for height then section the door with a saw and remove the pieces.  Select a wood of your choice and using the existing door as template for width and thickness, match the Amel door very closely, fabricate the sections and glue in place.  In our case we used teak. 
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Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Companion way for removal

scentstone
 

Thank you Eric for the first extensive tutorial, 
Thank you Ian for the alternative product
Thank you Bill for the very insightful questions.

Even if there was some previous threads about this subject in the forum, we all need to clarify the most secure way to replace the veneer using a wood product and placing it also under the external guides because, in some rough conditions, if the job isn't made in using a single sheet properly glued, it can drive to a blocked companionway after sometime in bad weather which is highly undesirable…
Ian, may be have you some images and a more detailed process and we can start here to make a detailed how-to. 
If we succeed, I'll update my external veener and post here also the details and images.
Kind regards
FF


Steering Wheel remove

JOSE PRIETO
 

How to remove the steering wheel? The metal
plate with screws do not
move... maybe some glue? Any tip?


Re: Companion way for removal

Ian Townsend
 

Paper not removed. We used contact cement. We did not remove the door. We spent lots of time making sure of the fit so that it could be cut right to the trim on the top and the sides. We were extremely careful with the placement. Of course, the bottom edge did not matter as we had cut it so it went below the gap/weatherproofing. Also, as with all veneer, the rolling is critical. 


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
US East Coast

On Oct 14, 2019, at 5:04 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Ian,

I read that the product you used has a paper backing. Was this removed for installation?
What did you use for glue or cement? 
Were you able to get the new veneer between the door and the outside trim?

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 2:09 AM Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:
We used this veneer, ordered through Amazon. 

On Oct 14, 2019, at 2:30 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

To apply laminate contact cement is used. Please remember to let both  surfaces dry before joining the laminate to the door,

When the two touch they cannot be separated, be careful.. I chose Formica brand laminate only because it looks closest to teak here in the USA. Just pick the one that you like, they are all basically the same. Just be sure to get the thicker variety of the laminate. Although the look is identical they often come in a very thin and a thicker style.

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:05 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal

 

Eric- that looks awesome and has inspired us to put this project on the list. Can you describe the glue you used and did you consider any other faux veneers ?


Re: Companion way for removal

 

Ian,

I read that the product you used has a paper backing. Was this removed for installation?
What did you use for glue or cement? 
Were you able to get the new veneer between the door and the outside trim?

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 2:09 AM Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:
We used this veneer, ordered through Amazon. 

On Oct 14, 2019, at 2:30 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

To apply laminate contact cement is used. Please remember to let both  surfaces dry before joining the laminate to the door,

When the two touch they cannot be separated, be careful.. I chose Formica brand laminate only because it looks closest to teak here in the USA. Just pick the one that you like, they are all basically the same. Just be sure to get the thicker variety of the laminate. Although the look is identical they often come in a very thin and a thicker style.

Fair Winds

Eric

sm

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 11:05 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Companion way for removal

 

Eric- that looks awesome and has inspired us to put this project on the list. Can you describe the glue you used and did you consider any other faux veneers ?