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Re: ZF Hurth Transmission

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Gary,

 Thanks for tip. I might carry one as a spare.
 You guys are so lucky in the States--a mere $5 ( for a product that costs a few cents ).  Amazon in the UK want £36.58 ( oh, plus postage, of course ). How do they stay in business ?
 I will hunt around.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Still in the EU ( but watch this space... )

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Gary Wells <gary@...>
Sent: 05 November 2019 13:14
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] ZF Hurth Transmission
 
Arthur, I had the same leak and if it is coming from where there shifter shaft enters the transmission it is an easy fix as well.

I drained the fluid from the bottom drain plug then undid the one bolt that holds the shift lever in place. 
It comes off easily and there is absmall lip seal that can be popped out.
The measurement are on the seal and I ordered a couple of replacement items from a Honda motorcycle shop :) 

That replacement stopped the leak and has held for four years now.

The info I have is that the seal is 20mm ID, 26mm OD by 4mm thickness. The Honda part number is 91262-GBF-831

I keep those white oul-absorbent cloth "diapers" spread out under the engine and transmission (and in the genset pan) so I can quickly see if any oil is getting loose.

Best of.luck!!

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Cape Lookout

Re: Change from electric to gas cooking?

David Crisp
 

Thanks Ann-Sofie,
A helpful article.  When I first read it I had not realised the oven you bought was electric. I think I shall keep the electric oven for now but change over to induction plates for the efficiency.

David
Re: Boat Yard at US East Coast with Experience to Apply COPPERCOAT?

Matt Salatino
 

I believe the application method is not relevant to number of hulls, or boat manufacturer, as long as the yard is familiar with fiberglass/gelcoat hulls....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 5, 2019, at 10:37 PM, Michael & Robyn <SY_RIPPLE@...> wrote:

Thank you Matt,

I spoke to Jim Edwards at the Annapolis sailboat show. He pointed us to Cape Canaveral Ship Yard Scorpion aka "Port Canaveral Marine" http://www.portcanaveralmarine.com/marine-services/yacht-services/
But it seems they do mostly Catamarans, had not done mono hulls or even an Amel.
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417
Re: Boat Yard at US East Coast with Experience to Apply COPPERCOAT?

Michael & Robyn
 

Thank you Matt,

I spoke to Jim Edwards at the Annapolis sailboat show. He pointed us to Cape Canaveral Ship Yard Scorpion aka "Port Canaveral Marine" http://www.portcanaveralmarine.com/marine-services/yacht-services/
But it seems they do mostly Catamarans, had not done mono hulls or even an Amel.
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417
Re: Boat Yard at US East Coast with Experience to Apply COPPERCOAT?

Matt Salatino
 

The US CopperCoat supplier is in Melbourne, FL.
His name is Jim Edwards. I’m sure you can find his email address on the CC site. Ask him. He’ll know for sure, as he loathes warranty calls due to improper application.....
My wife and I applied ours, 5 1/2 years ago. It was difficult, and we used Jim as an information resource. It’s worked quite well for us.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 5, 2019, at 8:59 PM, Michael & Robyn <SY_RIPPLE@...> wrote:

Dear Amel Owners

We are looking for a ship yard with experience in applying COPPERCOAT.
North Florida, Georgia would be most convenient for us, but we can also go up to Annapolis in spring if this is the center of expertise.

In case you don't want to share your (bad or good) experience publicly here our email:
SY(dot)bbbRIPPLE(dot)MandR(at)gmail(dot)com
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417
currently in Brunswick GA
Boat Yard at US East Coast with Experience to Apply COPPERCOAT?

Michael & Robyn
 
Edited

Dear Amel Owners

We are looking for a ship yard with experience in applying COPPERCOAT.
North Florida, Georgia would be most convenient for us, but we can also go up to Annapolis in spring if this is the center of expertise.

In case you don't want to share your (bad or good) experience publicly here our email:
SY(dot)RIPPLE(dot)MandR(at)gmail(dot)com
--
Michael & Robyn

SY RIPPLE SM2K # 417
currently in Brunswick GA
Re: ZF Hurth Transmission

Bernd Spanner
 
Edited

I had the same issue. It was exactly as Bill described. Was an easy fix for the pros.
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
Re: Change from electric to gas cooking?

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Bonsoir,

On CottonBay we has last 2,5 years induction plate and found it marvellous !

Gas is only as backup .... and we are thinking to suppress definitively gas ....

Bon soir

JL MERTZ

CottonBay


Le 05/11/2019 à 18:04, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 a écrit :
Maybe you take Induktion plates
It is a lot more effektive by elektrik

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Re: Change from electric to gas cooking?

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Maybe you take Induktion plates
It is a lot more effektive by elektrik

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Re: Maramu - Goiot Y-Track Mizzen Car Repair

mr_hermanns
 

Great point! I will source aluminum washers or bronze - thank you for the insight!
--
Jeremy Hermanns - "Jer"
SVCerulean.com
Maramu #105
Marina Del Rey, CA
Re: Change from electric to gas cooking?

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

We have just posted our experiences changing from gas to electric. Our pdf is also within the file section.

/Ann-Sofie 
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


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5 nov. 2019 kl. 15:53 skrev David Crisp <david@...>:

All,
I've inherited a Force 10 electric stove and oven with Wilna Grace which means running the generator whenever we want to cook or make a cup of tea. The stove has conventional radiant electric hot plates.
In the new year I'm installing ~900W of solar panels and a year later plan to change over from lead acid to a Lithium battery system with inverter/charger etc. 

Some advice please, do I change over to a gas stove for now, then when I have the Lithium/inverter system in place install an induction hob whilst retaining the gas oven? Or do I retain the electric stove/oven I currently have ready for the long term?
My thinking being: Is it realistic to think of running the conventional electric oven off lithium batteries with inverter? Surely the overall power drain is too much?
I have an induction hob onshore back home so fully understand why folks love them on a boat and can see how, being so efficient, running this from lithium batteries with inverter is viable.

Thoughts/advice?

Best regards
David 
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54

Change from electric to gas cooking?

David Crisp
 

All,
I've inherited a Force 10 electric stove and oven with Wilna Grace which means running the generator whenever we want to cook or make a cup of tea. The stove has conventional radiant electric hot plates.
In the new year I'm installing ~900W of solar panels and a year later plan to change over from lead acid to a Lithium battery system with inverter/charger etc. 

Some advice please, do I change over to a gas stove for now, then when I have the Lithium/inverter system in place install an induction hob whilst retaining the gas oven? Or do I retain the electric stove/oven I currently have ready for the long term?
My thinking being: Is it realistic to think of running the conventional electric oven off lithium batteries with inverter? Surely the overall power drain is too much?
I have an induction hob onshore back home so fully understand why folks love them on a boat and can see how, being so efficient, running this from lithium batteries with inverter is viable.

Thoughts/advice?

Best regards
David 
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54
Re: Lite gauge wire for bow lights

Dan Carlson
 

Thanks for all of the recommendations and feedback.  I will add a spool of 18 guage, 2 wire tinned copper oval jacketed wire to my spares.  I already have some of the 22 guage shielded, and some 16*4 flat, and some 12 or 14 /2 wire for higher voltage/current.  

And thanks for the reminder about the bow locker floor Thomas. I'll put something down to distribute the weight before I spend much time in there.  

Best regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 11:08 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Shielded wire is great for electronics to prevent stray EMI issues. Not so critical for lighting, but still nice to have.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:41 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

The 22 ga cable is 1 pair (red + black) 2 conductor and double insulated. It is round and about 5-6mm in diameter (around 3/16"). I like it for all electronics because of the double insulation (braid + foil) and its size.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:39 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
True, 18 gauge wire may be bigger than necessary, but I find it more robust, resisting breakage better than thinner wire, especially routing through difficult spaces. 
My 2¢, and your results may differ.  18 gauge is pretty thin.  

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,
That looks like Ancor wire - a quality product with the new yellow-red for DC Neg-Positive color coding - although I couldn't see for sure if it was Ancor. Looks like smallest gauge is 18, which is overkill for LED lights.  Bill Rouse's recommendation of the Belden 22 gauge 4 conductor cable may give a smaller diameter and it is round, not oval, so maybe easier running through the stanchion tubes and the flexibility of an extra pair of conductors (although I'm not sure what one would use them for other than future spares). 
FWIW, Craig

Re: ZF Hurth Transmission

Gary Wells
 

Arthur, I had the same leak and if it is coming from where there shifter shaft enters the transmission it is an easy fix as well.

I drained the fluid from the bottom drain plug then undid the one bolt that holds the shift lever in place. 
It comes off easily and there is absmall lip seal that can be popped out.
The measurement are on the seal and I ordered a couple of replacement items from a Honda motorcycle shop :) 

That replacement stopped the leak and has held for four years now.

The info I have is that the seal is 20mm ID, 26mm OD by 4mm thickness. The Honda part number is 91262-GBF-831

I keep those white oul-absorbent cloth "diapers" spread out under the engine and transmission (and in the genset pan) so I can quickly see if any oil is getting loose.

Best of.luck!!

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Cape Lookout
Re: Lite gauge wire for bow lights

Matt Salatino
 

Shielded wire is great for electronics to prevent stray EMI issues. Not so critical for lighting, but still nice to have.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 4, 2019, at 10:41 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

The 22 ga cable is 1 pair (red + black) 2 conductor and double insulated. It is round and about 5-6mm in diameter (around 3/16"). I like it for all electronics because of the double insulation (braid + foil) and its size.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:39 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
True, 18 gauge wire may be bigger than necessary, but I find it more robust, resisting breakage better than thinner wire, especially routing through difficult spaces. 
My 2¢, and your results may differ.  18 gauge is pretty thin.  

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,
That looks like Ancor wire - a quality product with the new yellow-red for DC Neg-Positive color coding - although I couldn't see for sure if it was Ancor. Looks like smallest gauge is 18, which is overkill for LED lights.  Bill Rouse's recommendation of the Belden 22 gauge 4 conductor cable may give a smaller diameter and it is round, not oval, so maybe easier running through the stanchion tubes and the flexibility of an extra pair of conductors (although I'm not sure what one would use them for other than future spares). 
FWIW, Craig

Re: Lite gauge wire for bow lights

CW Bill Rouse
 

The 22 ga cable is 1 pair (red + black) 2 conductor and double insulated. It is round and about 5-6mm in diameter (around 3/16"). I like it for all electronics because of the double insulation (braid + foil) and its size.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:39 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
True, 18 gauge wire may be bigger than necessary, but I find it more robust, resisting breakage better than thinner wire, especially routing through difficult spaces. 
My 2¢, and your results may differ.  18 gauge is pretty thin.  

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,
That looks like Ancor wire - a quality product with the new yellow-red for DC Neg-Positive color coding - although I couldn't see for sure if it was Ancor. Looks like smallest gauge is 18, which is overkill for LED lights.  Bill Rouse's recommendation of the Belden 22 gauge 4 conductor cable may give a smaller diameter and it is round, not oval, so maybe easier running through the stanchion tubes and the flexibility of an extra pair of conductors (although I'm not sure what one would use them for other than future spares). 
FWIW, Craig

Re: Lite gauge wire for bow lights

Matt Salatino
 

True, 18 gauge wire may be bigger than necessary, but I find it more robust, resisting breakage better than thinner wire, especially routing through difficult spaces. 
My 2¢, and your results may differ.  18 gauge is pretty thin.  

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Nov 4, 2019, at 9:00 PM, Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,
That looks like Ancor wire - a quality product with the new yellow-red for DC Neg-Positive color coding - although I couldn't see for sure if it was Ancor. Looks like smallest gauge is 18, which is overkill for LED lights.  Bill Rouse's recommendation of the Belden 22 gauge 4 conductor cable may give a smaller diameter and it is round, not oval, so maybe easier running through the stanchion tubes and the flexibility of an extra pair of conductors (although I'm not sure what one would use them for other than future spares). 
FWIW, Craig

Re: Lite gauge wire for bow lights

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Matt,
That looks like Ancor wire - a quality product with the new yellow-red for DC Neg-Positive color coding - although I couldn't see for sure if it was Ancor. Looks like smallest gauge is 18, which is overkill for LED lights.  Bill Rouse's recommendation of the Belden 22 gauge 4 conductor cable may give a smaller diameter and it is round, not oval, so maybe easier running through the stanchion tubes and the flexibility of an extra pair of conductors (although I'm not sure what one would use them for other than future spares). 
FWIW, Craig
Re: Lite gauge wire for bow lights

Thomas Kleman
 

Be careful Dan. Replacing bow light wire is how more than one SM owner (including me) heard a loud crack in the floor and began the dreaded bow locker floor replacement project. 

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422
Bocas del Toro
Re: Lite gauge wire for bow lights

Matt Salatino
 

I’m buying from these folks:

On Nov 4, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

Quick question:  I am shopping for wire our return to BeBe next week and wanted to buy a spool of wire for rewiring bow and stern lights and possibly other things.   I thought I would check for recommendations on the best wire.  Brand? And most versatile wire size (particularly with respect to feeding it through the ss tubing of the bow pulpit to the light fixtures.     

I will be installing LED lights so current will be low for this application, but I would like to have a versatile wire for other potential (lower voltage/current) applications. 

I have seen that there are posts with the instructions for re-wiring the bow lights so I am not looking for that information right now.  

Thanks and regards,  Daniel & Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387 
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