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Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Mike, 5.00ish it is.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM406 Ora Pai
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Sent: Monday, 7 October 2019 6:32:17 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
 

I checked with Davis’ Pub (Eastport) for Thursday evening. They do not take reservations but said they are not too busy between 5:00 and 6:00 so seating for 10 or so should not be a problem. Let’s shoot for 5:30. Alan and Kent/Iris have expressed interest in dinner. All are welcome aboard Aletes earlier in the afternoon to talk about the exciting topic of Amel maintenance.  Please confirm attendance at either event. Looking forward it!

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

From: Mike Ondra <mdondra@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 9:08 AM
To: 'main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io' <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

 

For the maintenance/repairs “forum” (sounds way too formal) I have RSVP’s so far from Jay Pokorski and Charles (SV Saturn). We’ll meet on Aletes (anchored at the mouth of Back  Creek…unless weather pushes an alternative anchorage…will advise) at 2:00 Thursday afternoon. Anyone land based or dinghy deprived that wants to attend let us know and we can arrange a pickup. Anyone is welcome to join us for beverages and dinner afterwards at Davis’ Pub.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 4:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

 

Aletes would like to host an Amel maintenance/repair forum on board either Thurs or Friday afternoon of Boat Show week. The idea would be to share everyone’s experiences with some of the unique equipment on our vessels.

 

Possible topics, and please add to the list, might include:

Bow Thrusters, furling gearboxes (motorized and manual), battery strategies, deck finish (restoration and striping), anti-fouling, hard-won lessons and other tricks.

 

We’ll do it if there is interest, so let me know which day and additional topics. Bring your issues and get the insights of others.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay


Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thomas,

The process I have implemented is that we turn off the solenoid FIRST and then the gas knobs. 

But humans, especially new/temporary visiting crew not used to doing that on land, sometimes make mistakes, despite all my red tape and written/verbal reminders that gas is dangerous. I want to fix the technical issue as relying on perfect process alone is a recipe for disaster IMO.

Anyone else with knowledge/ideas?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Polar Files for Amel 54

Scott SV Tengah
 

Thanks Alex, we do need to update the page more often, but Tengah keeps us busy. :)

Aside from the Furuno VX2, we use OpenCPN to navigate. They do have some weather routing plugin but I haven't messed around with it. Be interested to hear if you can use the polar file and if it's helpful.  I think the forum downsizes attachments quite a bit, so if you need a higher Rez version of the polars, message me privately.

That's great that you have those additional renewable sources. I'm jealous. I keep hearing conflicting things about the desirability of windgens but it seems you're pretty happy with yours. I did a round the world overland about a decade ago and after calculating my impact during that trip, I made a promise to make this go around a little less environmentally damaging. Glad to see you're well on your way there!

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

Thomas Kleman
 

Sounds like you have both a technical prob with oven but also a process issue. If someone didn't completely shut the oven off, they should have also closed the gas off with the solenoid. On our boat we have a propane detector which we regularly test. We also test the solenoid. As this is my greatest fear (propane leak) I also physically go to propane locker and shut off gas at the valve. I know that's overkill. It takes me under 60 seconds, and I sleep better.

But bottom line I would never rely on the thermocoupling alone to prevent your under galley spaces from filling up with gas.

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422


Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

tony wells
 

Hi Scott

I’m not on the boat and can’t answer your question, sorry, but I am surprised that the A54 is not fitted with a gas alarm/detector under the oven, which should switch off the gas solenoid in the event of detecting gas ie in the precarious scenario experienced by you! I would like to fit an alarm/detector with this functionality - can anyone comment / recommend a model please?

Thanks

Tony
A54 #102 Malta

On 8 Oct 2019, at 14:53, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Our Eno oven will flow gas even if there is no flame. My understanding is that the thermocouple is supposed to be stop the flow of gas if there is no flame AND FAILS CLOSED. Is this correct?

Our situation is the opposite. If someone aboard forgets to turn off the oven gas flow completely or if the flame dies, the oven continues to flow gas. This is obviously dangerous. 

We had some issues with the oven and had it serviced prior but the boatyard is not being responsive now. Any ideas on what could be wrong? Given the downside if I screw up, I'm hoping to get some advice before digging in and playing with it. We have the standard oven on a A54, so I think it's the same as the SM.

Thanks!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

Our Eno oven will flow gas even if there is no flame. My understanding is that the thermocouple is supposed to be stop the flow of gas if there is no flame AND FAILS CLOSED. Is this correct?

Our situation is the opposite. If someone aboard forgets to turn off the oven gas flow completely or if the flame dies, the oven continues to flow gas. This is obviously dangerous. 

We had some issues with the oven and had it serviced prior but the boatyard is not being responsive now. Any ideas on what could be wrong? Given the downside if I screw up, I'm hoping to get some advice before digging in and playing with it. We have the standard oven on a A54, so I think it's the same as the SM.

Thanks!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Arno,
I've got a March and, yes, it does occasionally lose it's prime in rough conditions. Sometimes it recovers by itself, other times it needs to be manually primed (removing the outlet hose to flood it with sea water). On the SN there is no sea-chest, so it may be less of an issue for you, but if it sucks air it may not re-prime.


Re: Lighting strike vs insurance [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Jeroen jeltes
 

Thank you Olivier, Bill, and all ,  i will start a discussion with the Panteanius and will let you know the result. Jeroen.


Re: Polar Files for Amel 54

Alexander Hofmann
 

Hi Scott,
thanks a lot, very helpful!!!
If you navigate with TZ Navigator (former MaxSea), do you have the similar Polar Data stored for navigation (under "Polar" in the main menue line at the top of the screen)?
If not I can do this manually also.
Have had a look on your website. Like very much of your concept of sustainable travel. Gives me new ideas and insights. I do this on my SY Oceanica I Amel54#156 with 2/3 energy autonomy on anchor and 100% while sailing long distance via solar, 2 wind-gens and 1 hydro-gen Watt&Sea, and in my business, with a lot of success. Sustainability and and environmental and climate protection is THE road to success, also in economics, if you do it right and long-terms. Bravo for your concept!!!
Fair winds
Alexander


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Sv Garulfo
 


Ok thanks Bill and Scott, that’s what I guessed 

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 11:45, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Exactly right. The keel (aka freshwater tank) is below the pump but I think the waterline is above it.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Spurs linecutter

Wolfgang Weber
 

Thank you Bill





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Wolfgang,

Spurs B 1 ½ "

 

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 6:53 AM Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello to the group,
I would like to  buy a service-kit for the spurs linecutter for Amel 54.
Does anyone know the size or partnumber ?
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54 #162


Re: Lighting strike vs insurance [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu - Main Mast Grounding / Bonding

Scott SV Tengah
 

This is what Pants USA has in my policy from earlier this year:

"LIGHTNING DEDUCTIBLE

Notwithstanding and superseding any contrary terms or conditions contained anywhere in this policy, the following terms and conditions apply. The lightning deductible of 5% shall apply to any and all covered losses, including partial, total, and constructive total losses, caused directly or indirectly by lightning (“lightning-related loss”) while the insured vessel is in Florida waters from June 1st to November 30th. If it can be demonstrated
by the insured that a lightning protection system of like kind and quality to EMP Solutions Model CMCE-55 was fully functioning and properly installed on board the insured vessel at the time of loss, the lightning deductible stated above shall be reduced to the amount of the standard hull deductible stated on the Declaration Sheets. If the lightning-related loss occurs while the insured vessel is racing in Florida waters during the said time period, the applicable lightning deductible or the racing deductible stated in Section A5 of the PAYP, whichever is higher, shall apply. If the lightning-related loss occurs during authorized towing in Florida waters in the said time period, the applicable lightning deductible or the towing deductibles stated in Section A5 of the PAYP, whichever is higher, shall apply."

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the reply. The reason I ordered the March pump is because it seems the best bet for a pump that needs to run for extended periods, no brushes an no shaft seal. I’m not so worried about rough seaway as the pump sits below sea level. So even if it draws air for a moment the next moment the boat movement will push water in the sea-chest.


Re: Autopilot

Arno Luijten
 

Alex,

From the picture it seems you are looking at the rod coming from the steering wheel. Are you sure this is the autopilot cylinder/
Depending on this it’s bad or not great, the latter being the rod. 
If it were the autopilot cylinder, I would expect lots of leakage of hydraulic oil as well.

In case it’s the steering cable (the rod) you should consider replacement and for the short term lubrication with grease.


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 

Arno,

I misspoke. I meant the UP-2P. That one just runs full speed when there is current applied to it. No need to have the pump build and regulate pressure, which is what the UP-2A does.

In any event, the electrical draws are the same. 

What I do is what Frigoboat does with the Flojet pumps. They sell you the 24v Flojet 4105-343 pump and have you run it at 12v. I take the 24v UP-2P pump and run it at 12v. That makes them run slower, draw less current and last longer.  

If I was in your position with SW cooled fridges, I would try the March pump. I wonder what happens if you're a rough seaway and get some air in the system though. Would the March be able to overcome that air bubble and reprime? I don't know the answer to that. 

The Frigoboat W50F that I have on my 54 requires a gallon a minute, so a little under 4L.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Staysail on a Super Maramu

eric freedman
 

HI Joel,

I believe I have the drawing you are referring to.

If I remember it had a strop around the mast at the upper spreader—not for me.

How are you and Vela?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of amelforme
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 8:37 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Cc: jfpottercys@...
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Staysail on a Super Maramu

 

Hi Eric and I can confirm that the Amel folks in Martinique are correct and Amel never delivered a SM 53 with a staysail installed by the yard. They almost did once but decided at the last moment not to. After delivery, the boat was taken to a local rigger who installed a staysail. I was peripherally familiar with this sequence of events.

As you know, Jacques Carteau who was Amel’s technical manager/chief engineer-designer as well as a reluctant CEO on two separate occasions. His job was to take Captain Amel’s thoughts and do the engineering and then work with the production manager to be sure the boats were built properly.

Mr. Carteau encouraged my curiosity about all things Amel and spent quite some time with me over the years to answer all my questions so I could better inform my Amel customers about all the special and unique features which made Amel boats so desirable for serious offshore adventuring.

Mr. Carteau once explained why he would not install a staysail on a Super Maramu. When I gently but insistently told him that a staysail would enhance the boat both from a performance as well as a safety standpoint, he actually drew me a drawing showing what he said was the only correct way to install a staysail but urged me not to do so.

I have written about this in these spaces before and perhaps someone could dig my staysail install instructions out of the archives. If not, I could do it once again if anyone is interested.

Most of the Amel staysail installs I have seen were done incorrectly and apply serious loads into components that were never designed for such loading, according to what Mr. Carteau showed and told me.

 

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel    

 

       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 10:20 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Staysail on a Super Maramu

 

Hi Amelians,

I have been speaking with Amel Martinique. They say they never delivered a Super Maramu with a Staysail.

I believe a number of you have had them installed when the boat was manufactured.

If you have a factory (LA Rochelle) installed please contact me.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Staysail on a Super Maramu

eric freedman
 

Hi,

I could not connect to your Email.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Bassin
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 2:34 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Staysail on a Super Maramu

 

Hi Eric

If you are interested in having one installed , pls contact me at

huey at hispeed.ch, I may be able to help.

Brgrds

Gerald Bassin

Jetlag SM 113


On 7 Oct 2019, at 04:20, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Amelians,

I have been speaking with Amel Martinique. They say they never delivered a Super Maramu with a Staysail.

I believe a number of you have had them installed when the boat was manufactured.

If you have a factory (LA Rochelle) installed please contact me.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Scott,

I looked up the Marco UP2A pump. According to the tech specs it draws around 3 amps @ 12 Volt. AFAIK that is too much for the pump switch that is normally installed on the A54. Did you remove this or did you something else to make this work.
It does seem to be more power hungry than the original solution. This I why I'm going to test the March pump. But I'm using sea-water for the cooling.

Regards,

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 

Exactly right. The keel (aka freshwater tank) is below the pump but I think the waterline is above it.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

 

March will not have the required lift if you use the freshwater tank.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:58 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
Hi,

We don’t cool the fridge with fresh water. We thought of doing it but then abandoned the idea for a number of reasons. However I’m puzzled about your comment, can you give more details?

Thanks for the tip on the up2a pump!

Best,

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 09:21, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:
Soraya,

I can say that the March Brushless won't work if you're cooling the fridges with fresh water. I switched to a Marco UP2A pump as you can replace the brushes/seals for cheap and they seem to meet my requirements: low draw and 4L per minute at 12v.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com