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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

Teun BAAS
 

Good Afternoon,

 

After discussing with another AMEL owner before leaving NEW CALEDONIA early May 2019 for VANUATU I decided to inspect & possibly reverse my OEM SS chain. I also expected it to be a simple straightforward exercise but found ON CLOSE examination several links to be “pitted”. When aggressively probing the pit it was fairly easy to create a bigger hole. All the pitting/holes were in the welded part of the link NOT in the actual SS link. I was told that rewelding was the solution but I wasn’t comfortable that the welder would indeed cover every compromised weld so decided to buy a new chain. No SS chain available on the island so I purchased 100 meter galvanized chain. Since I have that galvanized chain I frequently have problems with the chain being twisted/bungled; jumping the sprocket on the windless (it is the right size link) as well as bungling up in the haws pipe. I do have the original OEM SS swivel & anchor but still frequent twisting creating problems when outlaying the chain; having to empty the sail locker, open the chain locker and then manually making sure the chain will feed thru the haws pipe. Very doable on a calm early afternoon arrival; extremely annoying when arriving @ night in bad weather.

 

I have the feeling that the SS chain is more slippery and therefore distributes better horizontally in the anchor locker when I weigh anchor than the galvanized chain which is piling up higher.

 

Since May I have now 3 times deployed the complete chain to give it a chance to “unwind” and then slowly bring it back in while pushing the first 30 meters all the way toward the back of the chain locker to make sure that the remaining 70 meters is not piling too high. It helps but still issues. I never had any twisting/bungling issues during the previous 1 ½ year with the SS chain.

 

I am now planning, when doing my 2 year maintenance in February 2020 in BRISBANE or maybe NEW ZEALAND, to go back to a SS chain.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

PORT VILA  VANUATU

October 10, 2019 13:59:43

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 02:18
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Twisted chain - Amel 54

 

Since buying Wilna Grace in July I've been progressively working my way through her, one job being to take out the lovely stainless steel chain and inspect it. What I thought would be a quick job turned into a marathon.  I'd hauled out ~3 deck lengths when I discovered the rest of the chain remaining in the locker was twisted into a massive ball.  Sometime later I'd finally worked the chain onto the deck and had ~1.5 deck lengths of twisted chain.  I'm unclear why this twist should have built up or over what period of time.  Wilna Grace is 12 years old and I have reason to suspect the chain may not have been fully out for some time.

Never had this problem with my Super Maramu. Anyway from now on each year I shall make a point of finding some deep water and letting all the chain out!  Has anyone else experienced this twist problem?


Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54

Dean Gillies
 

Hi David,
Yes! I also have this problem. Last year I dropped it all in deep water, and bobbed around for an hour hoping to untwist it, but this year the problem was back. I have galvanised chain and the original Amel supplied swivel. I wonder if it’s something to do with the windlass, but really have no idea.   

Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


54 hatch stay main saloon

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi does anyone know the part number for the Lewmar hatch stays in the Main saloon they are the telescopic type I believe
Thanks
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 

Oliver,

If possible, I'd love to see photos of this setup. It sounds like a brilliant solution.

Also, could you tell us more about the intelligent controller that tries to "bundle" when the compressors for your two fridges run?
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame

Scott SV Tengah
 

Craig,

Sorry for the late kudos. This one line led me to my problem.

The valve was sticky and stayed depressed. I took it apart, cleaned it and all appears good now! 

However, the oven doesn't flow gas if it hasn't been on and you accidentally turn the valve. If the oven has been on and the thermocouple gets hot and the flame goes out, it will continue to flow gas for a bit until the thermocouple cools down. Is this normal behavior or should the gas flow cease immediately?


On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 01:42 PM, Craig Briggs SN 68 Sangaris wrote:
Does it happen if you just turn on the oven valve, without depressing it to bypass the thermocouple and ignite it? 

 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks for the info Kent. Yep...still in Hawaii until June next year, and will sail away then.

Steve

On Oct 9, 2019, at 10:43, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Steve,
I paid 8.70€/M plus shipping. I’m not sure she has enough to do another boat.  She couldn’t tell me anything about it when I was placing my order.  Said she had Some of several different profiles that had been used over the years, and sent me the one she did based on my description and pic of my original.  It sounded like that may be the last of what she has.  It is a stock design that should be available considerable cheaper where ever you are (Hawaii?)

Malama mai ka’i nui loa lawe, ko’u ho’aloha.

A hui hou.
Kent
Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:


Hi Kent,

What is Amel charging per meter for the material?

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Oct 9, 2019, at 09:39, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.

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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

eric freedman
 

Thanks

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 5:18 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

 

Eric- 2 cans does 3 coats. 


Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

Thomas Kleman
 

Eric- 2 cans does 3 coats. 


Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

eric freedman
 

Hi Tom,

How much polytrol is needed to do the entire boay?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 2:53 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

 

Have not applied Polytrol for about a year and the Panamanian summer was rough on the deck. Amazing how much color fade occurs. I believe there are SM owners out there contemplating repainting who might be surprised at the results of this process. I've only seen it for sale in Dutch and French islands (not an exhaustive search). I have no financial interest in this product but wanted to add to the discussion on deck repainting.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

eric freedman
 

Hi Kent,

Thanks for the photos.

What are the dimensions of the seals?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 4:43 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

 

Hi Steve,

I paid 8.70€/M plus shipping. I’m not sure she has enough to do another boat.  She couldn’t tell me anything about it when I was placing my order.  Said she had Some of several different profiles that had been used over the years, and sent me the one she did based on my description and pic of my original.  It sounded like that may be the last of what she has.  It is a stock design that should be available considerable cheaper where ever you are (Hawaii?)

 

Malama mai ka’i nui loa lawe, ko’u ho’aloha.

 

A hui hou.

Kent

Kristy

SM 243



On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:



Hi Kent,

 

What is Amel charging per meter for the material?

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

Aloha SM 72

Hawaii


On Oct 9, 2019, at 09:39, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.

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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

Thomas Kleman
 

Oh Mark- on your last question, have never used it on the run rail. We clean that with Vaseline every few months and the red comes back nicely.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422


Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

Thomas Kleman
 

Mark- this is what I used. Bought a case of it from a Dutch paint store in Bonaire. The pic I posted was of my sun-bleached deck locker half treated with polytrol (which was fully dry). Joel- as usual great info. I will keep that in mind before any future painting. The black deck stripes (polyurethane one part) paint continues to hold up under the polytrol after more than 5 years.


Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

amelforme
 

Hi Tom and Mark. I have used Polytrol with good results for decades and it does what they say it will. One caution. Painters absolutely hate this stuff. The reason Polytrol works so good is it is not a surface product . It really penetrates the surface and restores lost esters deep within polyester and other plasticized finishes. The makers state that any ammonia based cleaner will remove it but enough gets left behind when using only amonia that causes fish eyes and poor adhesion problems. Ask me how I know this.

If you use Polytrol ( and I still do ) be sure to tell your painter before permanently restoring any surface with new paint. There are special ( read expensive and deadly ) solvents that will remove it entirely. I have been told by painters that forgot more about surface preparation than I will ever know, if you sand a surface without removing Polytrol, it is likely you won’t be able to later get all the Polytrol out.

Just like most everything that does an outstanding job at something specific, there usually caveats associated with their useage .

This usually comes with experience. Shared experience makes our owners group as useful as it gets…

 

Have Fun With Your Amel, Joel

      

 

       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark McGovern
Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 4:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

 

Tom,

Looks great!  I might have to give that a try.  I did find something called Polytrol on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Owatrol-Polytrol-Color-Restorer-500ml/dp/B008F7W6M0/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8)

Is that what you used or did you use the "Marine Polytrol" found here:  https://www.owatrolusa.com/product/marine-polytrol/

Have you ever used it on the rub rail?  My SM2K Redline looks more like an SM2k Pinkline right now!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

karkauai
 

Hi Steve,
I paid 8.70€/M plus shipping. I’m not sure she has enough to do another boat.  She couldn’t tell me anything about it when I was placing my order.  Said she had Some of several different profiles that had been used over the years, and sent me the one she did based on my description and pic of my original.  It sounded like that may be the last of what she has.  It is a stock design that should be available considerable cheaper where ever you are (Hawaii?)

Malama mai ka’i nui loa lawe, ko’u ho’aloha.

A hui hou.
Kent
Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 9, 2019, at 3:45 PM, Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:


Hi Kent,

What is Amel charging per meter for the material?

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Oct 9, 2019, at 09:39, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.

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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

Mark McGovern
 

Tom,

Looks great!  I might have to give that a try.  I did find something called Polytrol on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Owatrol-Polytrol-Color-Restorer-500ml/dp/B008F7W6M0/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8)

Is that what you used or did you use the "Marine Polytrol" found here:  https://www.owatrolusa.com/product/marine-polytrol/

Have you ever used it on the rub rail?  My SM2K Redline looks more like an SM2k Pinkline right now!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

karkauai
 

What are we looking at here, Thomas? Is the photograph of outboard sun-bleached and inboard fresh polytrol?

Has anyone looked at the faux teak material that is custom manufactured to fit and glued onto the deck with adhesive?


Kent
Kristy
SM 243

On Oct 9, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:


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Have not applied Polytrol for about a year and the Panamanian summer was rough on the deck. Amazing how much color fade occurs. I believe there are SM owners out there contemplating repainting who might be surprised at the results of this process. I've only seen it for sale in Dutch and French islands (not an exhaustive search). I have no financial interest in this product but wanted to add to the discussion on deck repainting.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Kent,

What is Amel charging per meter for the material?

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Oct 9, 2019, at 09:39, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.

<351FA7CE-99C3-4082-956D-3396F2DE8A66.jpeg><A646EDF3-48E5-4C56-980C-CC4BA3A297FB.jpeg><70851A93-5550-45FD-A38A-6AC4660B65A1.jpeg>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

karkauai
 

I got the seals from Maud at Amel France.  They are half-round with a stiff bottom and what I think is neoprene rounded top.  The top is very soft and appears to be exactly the same as the originals.  The attached pics show the old (on the left) and new seals, the adhesive strips, and how Amel cut a small “V” at the site where the hinge bolt/washer/nut come close to the seal.  It is difficult to make the corners exact, I chose to add silicone caulk inside the corners and at the sites where the wedge was cut out to make room for the bolt.

Hardest part is reinstalling as it requires working on both sides of the hatch to tighten the hinge bolts.  Made easier by replacing the slot head bolts with Phillips heads.  Would be much easier with two people.


I will report again in a month or two to let you know how well it worked.


Re: Standing rigging - France

Mark Barter
 

Yes, the decks are amazing. The former owner was an absolute perfectionist so the level of workmanship is outstanding.
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110


SM deck maintenance-Polytrol

Thomas Kleman
 

Have not applied Polytrol for about a year and the Panamanian summer was rough on the deck. Amazing how much color fade occurs. I believe there are SM owners out there contemplating repainting who might be surprised at the results of this process. I've only seen it for sale in Dutch and French islands (not an exhaustive search). I have no financial interest in this product but wanted to add to the discussion on deck repainting.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422