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Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Hi All,
The thing that was niggling me was the fact that there was no voltage across the Active-Neutral terminals of the pump when I checked. 

Monitoring the terminal voltage I have checked whether the pump is activated immediately the system is powered on, and I found that it is not! No voltage at the terminals.
This could point to a relay problem.

However, before looking at the relays, I thought I would do another test as follows:

Ambient temp here is 15degC (yes it is summer!).

I turned on the AC in the saloon, and set the desired temp to 17.9. (The lowest possible setting).

The AC produces some slightly warm air, but the seawater pump does not start.

I then used a hot air gun to slowly raise the temp of the AC panel in the galley.

When the temp reading on the panel reached 18.9 degC THEN the seawater pump started.

Conclusion: The seawater pump does not start until the ambient temp (as detected at the panel) rises above the set-point (desired temp set by user).
(I guess this corresponds to the compressor starting up).

Most folks might think that the pump operation is always immediate. In hot weather, it does, but in fact it depends on ambient temperature vs set-point.

Thanks for the pointers Olivier, Ruedi and Jose.

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

That’s an impressive blow out Jose!
At least you know what is wrong very easily 😜


Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Joerg Esdorn
 

Scott, sorry for the delay but here are pics of the clean up tackle for the runners and the extension for the runners, as supplied by Amel.  Works excellent.  


Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Dean, 
On my 54?I have to get the pump going with flat screwdriver on the shaft at the aft end there is a hole in the fan covering. Mine makes a hum but does not turn without a little help.
Nick
Amelia 
AML 54-019


On 30 Aug 2019, at 19:43, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Dean,

first, did you try to turn the pump shaft manually (thanks to a flat screw driver at the backside of the pump, where the fan is located)?
After several months of non use, the bronze impeller may be a bit frozen.

I confirm the pump starts as soon as you turn on the A/C on cooling mode. Then, depending on the boat's inside temperature, the compressor will start or not (can you hear the click of the thermostat when you turn it to low temp?).

The A/C pump is indeed started from three relays (one for each A/C unit). These relays are located in a grey box located at the aft portside of the engine room, close to the Shore/Generator automatic switch box.

Did you try to turn on all the A/Cs?

Good luck.

Olivier

On Friday, August 30, 2019, 07:44:13 PM GMT+2, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:


Hi gang,
I just fired up my AC (not used at all this year!), because I want to make sure I can put antifreeze through the system.   My Calpeda seawater pump is not running, and I’m wondering why? ...

1. I’m measuring 240V at both ACTIVE AND NEUTRAL TERMINALS with reference to ground, but zero bolts between the ACTIVE and NEUTRAL. 
Seems like one terminal is being driven and the other is showing up through the winding, but is not being connected at the pump controller. Relay not activated? 

2. Is it just too cold for it to start. The ambient temp is lower than the lowest temp I can set the AC to, so I maybe the system won’t even try to start the pump?

if that’s the case, does anyone know how to fill the system into starting the pump so I can put Antifreeze into the lines?

Alternatively maybe the pump should always run, and there is a different problem ??  Anytime I’ve fired up my aircon in the past, the ambient temp has been high and I’m 90% sure the seawater pump starts immediately.

Would appreciate any guidance!

many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Freezer problem ‘frigoboat’

Paul Brown
 

good day to all,

my Freezer is a ‘frigoboat’ with its controller being ‘Carel IR33’ and yesterday just stopped working with no warning except the controller displayed ‘1’

If anyone can assist with some assistance of course I would very much appreciate your help 

kind regards, Paul Fortuna II 55#17



Re: Windlass on Santorin from 1995

Mark Erdos
 

Bernd,

 

This is a Lofrans Tigres windlass. Parts are readily available worldwide.

 

https://www.lofrans.com/spare-parts

 

The buttons are an Amel add-on and are available from Amel or from Vetus.

 

There is an excellent tutorial from Nikimat on this forum that shows how to service the windlass.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bernd Spanner
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 4:36 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Windlass on Santorin from 1995

 

Hi, another one.

I need to service my windlass and especially the up/down switches which have gone with the sun n salt.
Unfortunately I have no idea what’s the name/model of mine. It looks very similar to what I have seen on google on Nikimat. Anyone in the know... which one it is and where to get the spares in Europe or US?
Thanks,
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


My Lithium LiFePO4 Project to convert SM and 54s

 

All,

I am mostly finished with recommended assortments/bundles including the required peripheral devices. I have selected a Preferred Vendor for the US & Canada and another for the UK and Europe. I am still working on a Caribbean supplier in Martinique and possibly a second US supplier. I will these other suppliers completed in about a month.

I do not want to post in this group the offers made by the above Preferred Vendors. I am happy to share everything with any Amel Yacht Owner Group member who may want it. If you want this information, please email a request to brouse@... 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Windlass on Santorin from 1995

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

The Winsh is a lofranz Tiger
Look by svb there you find any spareparts

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Windlass on Santorin from 1995

Bernd Spanner
 

Hi, another one.

I need to service my windlass and especially the up/down switches which have gone with the sun n salt.
Unfortunately I have no idea what’s the name/model of mine. It looks very similar to what I have seen on google on Nikimat. Anyone in the know... which one it is and where to get the spares in Europe or US?
Thanks,
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Jose Alegria
 

Dean
Check the capacitor!.....
I have 3 capacitors blow out this summer.
One of them with no exterior signs of fail

image1.jpeg
Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037



No dia 30/08/2019, às 23:03, Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> escreveu:

Hi Dean

Understand, - try to turn multiple time with screwdriver, - back and forward. 
I had to do it after the winter season for 1-2 minutes. This summer I used my AC every few weeks and no problem with the pump after that. 

Regards, Ruedi 

On 30 Aug 2019, at 21:55, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Olivier and Ruedi,
Sorry I should have said that I did spin with a screwdriver, and the spindle runs freely.

Now that I know that the pump should start immediately, that is very helpful.  It seems that there is a problem with the relays.

i will try again with all three systems powered up to see if that makes a difference before I start looking at the relay board. 

Many thanks
Dean


Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Dean

Understand, - try to turn multiple time with screwdriver, - back and forward. 
I had to do it after the winter season for 1-2 minutes. This summer I used my AC every few weeks and no problem with the pump after that. 

Regards, Ruedi 

On 30 Aug 2019, at 21:55, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Olivier and Ruedi,
Sorry I should have said that I did spin with a screwdriver, and the spindle runs freely.

Now that I know that the pump should start immediately, that is very helpful.  It seems that there is a problem with the relays.

i will try again with all three systems powered up to see if that makes a difference before I start looking at the relay board. 

Many thanks
Dean


Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Olivier and Ruedi,
Sorry I should have said that I did spin with a screwdriver, and the spindle runs freely.

Now that I know that the pump should start immediately, that is very helpful.  It seems that there is a problem with the relays.

i will try again with all three systems powered up to see if that makes a difference before I start looking at the relay board. 

Many thanks
Dean


Re: Upper C-Drive oil leak

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

the problem was the upper shaft seal.  The correct size for a Super Maramu is 60-90-8 (not -10).

This was difficult to fix.  Due to rusting together of parts inside the coupling, the old part with the seal had to be soaked for a couple of days in WD40 and then taken out under pressure in a workshop.  14 hours work for a mechanic.

Moral: It would have been a lot cheaper to fit a rope cutter.

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Alghero, Sardinia, Italy.


Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Dean
The Pump should start after the Aircon Blower starts, also without having the temp on low (means without compressor). At leased on my Boat. 
It happens to me as well after long period of not using. You can use a screwdriver and turn the pump manually at the whole in the back where the air-vent is. After some turns it starts, it seems it is just a bit blocked after a while. 
The problem is known and you even find in Amel owners manual.  
Cheers 
Ruedi 
WASABI A54-#55

On 30 Aug 2019, at 19:44, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi gang,
I just fired up my AC (not used at all this year!), because I want to make sure I can put antifreeze through the system.   My Calpeda seawater pump is not running, and I’m wondering why? ...

1. I’m measuring 240V at both ACTIVE AND NEUTRAL TERMINALS with reference to ground, but zero bolts between the ACTIVE and NEUTRAL. 
Seems like one terminal is being driven and the other is showing up through the winding, but is not being connected at the pump controller. Relay not activated? 

2. Is it just too cold for it to start. The ambient temp is lower than the lowest temp I can set the AC to, so I maybe the system won’t even try to start the pump?

if that’s the case, does anyone know how to fill the system into starting the pump so I can put Antifreeze into the lines?

Alternatively maybe the pump should always run, and there is a different problem ??  Anytime I’ve fired up my aircon in the past, the ambient temp has been high and I’m 90% sure the seawater pump starts immediately.

Would appreciate any guidance!

many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154
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Re: Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Dean,

first, did you try to turn the pump shaft manually (thanks to a flat screw driver at the backside of the pump, where the fan is located)?
After several months of non use, the bronze impeller may be a bit frozen.

I confirm the pump starts as soon as you turn on the A/C on cooling mode. Then, depending on the boat's inside temperature, the compressor will start or not (can you hear the click of the thermostat when you turn it to low temp?).

The A/C pump is indeed started from three relays (one for each A/C unit). These relays are located in a grey box located at the aft portside of the engine room, close to the Shore/Generator automatic switch box.

Did you try to turn on all the A/Cs?

Good luck.

Olivier

On Friday, August 30, 2019, 07:44:13 PM GMT+2, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:


Hi gang,
I just fired up my AC (not used at all this year!), because I want to make sure I can put antifreeze through the system.   My Calpeda seawater pump is not running, and I’m wondering why? ...

1. I’m measuring 240V at both ACTIVE AND NEUTRAL TERMINALS with reference to ground, but zero bolts between the ACTIVE and NEUTRAL. 
Seems like one terminal is being driven and the other is showing up through the winding, but is not being connected at the pump controller. Relay not activated? 

2. Is it just too cold for it to start. The ambient temp is lower than the lowest temp I can set the AC to, so I maybe the system won’t even try to start the pump?

if that’s the case, does anyone know how to fill the system into starting the pump so I can put Antifreeze into the lines?

Alternatively maybe the pump should always run, and there is a different problem ??  Anytime I’ve fired up my aircon in the past, the ambient temp has been high and I’m 90% sure the seawater pump starts immediately.

Would appreciate any guidance!

many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Air conditioner seawater pump won’t start

Dean Gillies
 

Hi gang,
I just fired up my AC (not used at all this year!), because I want to make sure I can put antifreeze through the system.   My Calpeda seawater pump is not running, and I’m wondering why? ...

1. I’m measuring 240V at both ACTIVE AND NEUTRAL TERMINALS with reference to ground, but zero bolts between the ACTIVE and NEUTRAL. 
Seems like one terminal is being driven and the other is showing up through the winding, but is not being connected at the pump controller. Relay not activated? 

2. Is it just too cold for it to start. The ambient temp is lower than the lowest temp I can set the AC to, so I maybe the system won’t even try to start the pump?

if that’s the case, does anyone know how to fill the system into starting the pump so I can put Antifreeze into the lines?

Alternatively maybe the pump should always run, and there is a different problem ??  Anytime I’ve fired up my aircon in the past, the ambient temp has been high and I’m 90% sure the seawater pump starts immediately.

Would appreciate any guidance!

many thanks
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


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Re: Lifting an engine using a beam on cockpit seats

Mark McGovern
 

Paul,

Cara is a 2004 Super Maramu with 1885 hours on the engine.  The rubber on the rear mounts were completely shot.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bow Thruster Service

 

And you need at least 4 liters of patience.😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 5:10 PM Peter Buckley <carhartt@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I had an issue with the bow thruster on my Mango. I made a jacking block similar to the Amel one and tried in vain to move it. The yacht was in the water so trying to rotate from the water was difficult. I tried everything until I spent $70+ Aust on a product called Yield. I had tried every other product with no luck. 4 squirts of Yield and they released from each other. Great product……

Try that if you can source it where you are.

Regards

Peter

-- 
Peter Buckley

83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880

Phone: 0428 427 786



From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 07:46:50 -0500
To: <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow Thruster Service

JL Mertz, CottonBay:

Yes, it should be "easy."

There are 4 Allen head bolts on most SN & SMs, but in later model SMs, 2 bolts. It is always easy if the bow thruster is serviced correctly, with seal replacement when needed, and never left DOWN while sailing. 

But, if you don't follow the above, you'll be lucky if it's easy. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Amel Yacht Owners School - www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 12:35 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Hello,

if the 4 bolts that hold the bow thruster are out it should be easy,

Drive the bow thruster simply go down, then from the outside of the boat rotate the bow thruster, possibly by a movement rotation back and forth. Always sweet ...

JL Mertz

CottonBay


Le 28/08/2019 à 20:33, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io a écrit :
Bill,
Would a heatgun provide enoughheat without affecting the FRP?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:21 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Bernd,

You should be very, very careful with heat because the Bow Thruster Tube and case is made of GRP, not metal. 

The contact point is Cast Iron to the GRP tube. The problem is a result of NOT replacing the lip-seal and foam donuts, and possibly leaving the bow thruster down while sailing or motoring. Saltwater has passed through the seals and has caused corrosion on the electric motor base which is made of Cast Iron. This corrosion (Iron Oxidation) has reduced the size of the opening for the tube at the base of the motor. Your photos show that this has been more than a little saltwater over a long time, possibly months/years. It is going to be very difficult to separate the tube from the motor base. You will need the tool designed by Amel, plenty of penetrating fluid and 3-4 days of constant pressure to cause separation. You can use some light tapping or vibration on the cast iron motor base intermittently while constant pressure is applied with the special tool. But take care not to strile the base too hard because it is made of cast iron.

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I recommend that you closely check the lower bearing on the electric motor because I suspect it is also damaged.

In the future, replace the seals every 2 years...also replace the 0.3 liters of 80/90 Gear Oil when you replace the seals. Always use plenty of waterproof grease at the contact points of the tube and motor base.

This is the normal materials needed for service every 2 years (contact SAV"at"Amel.fr):
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You will certainly get other advice, but I firmly believe that you will not get better advice.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A little heat?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 28, 2019, at 9:44 AM, "jlm@..." <jlm@...> wrote:

Hi !

I had the  same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the contact is bronze on stainless  ...

I needed 2 days ...

good luck

JLM

CottonBay


Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much

Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it loose.... no success 
Pics attached
Best regards, 
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal

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Re: Lifting an engine using a beam on cockpit seats

 

Alex,

I am sure that you are correct. I also expect that some seats will take the weight and others will not; and some people spread the weight out on the seats, and others do not.

The point I was trying to make was I saw a delaminated seat in exactly the spot where a beam would have rested. I couldn't figure out why it delaminated, now I am fairly certain why. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 4:30 PM Alejandro Paquin <alex.paquin@...> wrote:
Hell Bill, I agree the seats are not suitable support for lifting the engine out of the engine compartment, BUT you can use the surface around the Lewmar winches in the cockpit to place a beam, if you put suitable wood supports and spead the weight over a larger area and secure the beam so it won´t move.
Reggards
--
Alex Paquin
S/V " SIMPATICO"
Amel Maramu
Hull #94, 1981