Main furler and furler gear box
I dismantled the main furler today for maintenance of the furler, gear box and the elongated hole in the profile. are there any particular issues in service the gear box and the furler?
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259 Lagos, Portugal
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Re: Electric heads on Supermaramu
Ian and Judy
I have the same issue, one of the heads bases I manage to salvage by adding very large washers of aluminium, but the other one is probably to much work to fox, so I thinking of Buying a new Jabsco. I put in an inspection hatch to get access under. see photo Paul on SY Kerpa AM#259
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Randall Walker
Mike,
That is so funny I have just sent them an email to have one shipped to me hear in Spain. Just seconds ago.
Thanks,
Randall
A-54 #56
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Johnson via Groups.Io <mike.k.johnson@...>
Sent: October 21, 2019 10:37 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge We used www.metelec.co.uk and sent Bill’s dimensions with a drawing and they produced a perfect replacement delivered promptly.
The key to a successful job was a ‘deep’ socket for the nut at the bottom of the bilge.
Mike & Peta
Solitude
SM2K 461
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Randall Walker
I am sitting south of Barcelona. One group member put me onto a German supplier, a former AMEL owner is trying to source it out of Britain and I have been told AMEL does still have them. Glad I joined this group. And Bill I agree that the original are way too thin.
I love my boat, Randall A-54 #56 From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
This is the one and only time that I will say that the Amel OEM part is not the best part.
Amel uses a thin copper foil for the bonding strap inside the gray water bilge. In terms of electrical conductivity, it is perfect. In terms of durability it is not good enough. The gray PVC float switch tube sits on top of the copper foil and will wear through the copper foil in a few years. If you buy the Amel OEM copper foil, I suggest you buy 2 because you will likely need to replace it again in a few years. Best,
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 1:34 PM Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...> wrote:
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Mike Johnson
We used www.metelec.co.uk and sent Bill’s dimensions with a drawing and they produced a perfect replacement delivered promptly.
The key to a successful job was a ‘deep’ socket for the nut at the bottom of the bilge.
Mike & Peta
Solitude
SM2K 461
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randall Walker
Sent: 20 October 2019 21:19 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge
I am sitting south of Barcelona. One group member put me onto a German supplier, a former AMEL owner is trying to source it out of Britain and I have been told AMEL does still have them. Glad I joined this group. And Bill I agree that the original are way too thin.
I love my boat, Randall A-54 #56 From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
This is the one and only time that I will say that the Amel OEM part is not the best part.
Amel uses a thin copper foil for the bonding strap inside the gray water bilge. In terms of electrical conductivity, it is perfect. In terms of durability it is not good enough. The gray PVC float switch tube sits on top of the copper foil and will wear through the copper foil in a few years. If you buy the Amel OEM copper foil, I suggest you buy 2 because you will likely need to replace it again in a few years. Best,
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 1:34 PM Randall Walker <lladnarowen@...> wrote:
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Re: Mizzen mast paint.
Maybe there is more than one answer to this important question. And maybe the answer is not the same for all Amel Masts. I have the Renault Panda White #348 that John has posted, but I also have the following:
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 8:03 AM John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:
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Re: Outhaul on Supermaramu
I will answer privately within 2 hours. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting
No primer, but sand well. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 9:07 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Outhaul on Supermaramu
Gary Silver
Ian and Judy:
As to the elongating of the holes in the boom mounting plate. This occurs due to the torque that is applied to those mounting holes each time the out-haul is used. Originally Amel fitted rubber grommets around the mounting bolts to prevent contact between the mounting bolts and the aluminum (for corrosion protection, shock mounting, and to prevent mounting plate wear). Those soon deteriorate but are readily available for replacement. If you notice your out-haul assembly moving back and forth with activation of the outhaul (in either direction) it is probably time to replace the rubber grommets. I don't recall the size off hand, but the specifications take into account the thickness of the "groove" to match the mounting plate, the ID for the bolt and the "groove" diameter for the mounting plate. Gary S. Silver, M.D. s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 # 335
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Re: Outhaul on Supermaramu
Gary Silver
Ian and Judy:
The bronze bushing I believe you are referring to (the only one on the drive shaft for the outhaul) fits into the top of the Anderson winch cap. You should be able to view it by looking sideways into the space between the Anderson winch cap and the "arm" of the drive shaft.
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Re: Mizzen mast paint.
John Clark
Hi Paul, the original paint code is Renault Panda Blanc (or White in US) #348 In the US NAPA has the formula to fabricate the paint on order. Cost is about $15-20 USD per can.
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 4:14 PM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Electric heads on Supermaramu
Gary Silver
Hi Ian and Judy
We had a boisterous sail from Bonaire to Puerto Rico last year during which my daughter was tossed onto the toilet in the forward head and cracked 3 of the plastic (?PVC) mounting lugs of the toilet base. I ordered the Jabsco PN 37004-1000 toilet base from Amazon for $139.00 US and received it in a couple days. It fit the existing hole pattern perfectly. The bolts screwed into mild steel backing plates that are imbedded in the fiberglass much like the lifeline stanchion mounting system. I just backed out the bolts, mounted the new base to the porcelain bowel (the base comes with a new mounting gasket as I recall), re-installed the assembly, then realized I didn't have clearance to screw in the outflow hose adapter that has the "joker" valve in it so demounted the base etc, attached the outflow adapter, then re-set the base. I just now searched Amazon and see the correct PN listed for $116.00 (cheaper than what I paid). Hope you can procure one via Amazon in Greece. All the best, Gary S. Silver, M.D. s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 # 335 Puerto Del Rey Puerto Rico (on the hard)
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Electric heads on Supermaramu
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi all,
We have a rather selfish approach to guests, namely that we most enjoy their company when they stay ashore in an AirBnB and come day sailing. Occasionally we bend this rule . Alas, one of our good friends has become very large with age and after his recent
spell on board the base of one of our 19 year old WCs has suffered terminal damage.
We were really sceptical when our Amel came with electric heads but they have proved more reliable and needing less maintenance than any manual heads we have had in the past.
The damage suffered is cracking of the base around the bolts which hold it to the floor. Unfortunately, Jabsco no longer make the Base Assembly Part No: 37004-1000 ( at least, it is no longer available in the UK).
The replacement, needless to say, has bolt holes in different places to the original. Other than that, it seems that it works as a replacement.
Has anyone experience of replacing these heads ? When you remove the old base, what is underneath it? Is there a hole which allows you to gain sufficient access to fix in place the nuts to which the new base is bolted ? Is some form of reinforcement needed
to the floor ? How to fix the nuts so that they stay in place ?
I had though of trying to reinforce the cracks and continue to use the existing base, but there is little material to work on and I suspect that would prove a short term solution.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 ,Kilada,Greece
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Outhaul on Supermaramu
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Subject: Outhaul on Supermaramu
Hi Bill,
On page 30 of your excellent ( May 2019) Amel book appears a photo of the drive arm which connects the gearbox to the Andersen winch. On that arm is a bronze bushing.
Can you explain where this bushing fits ? Presumably it is not part of the gearbox ? Does that mean that it sits in the boom itself and helps to keep the drive arm in place rather than placing all the stress on the bolt which attaches the drive arm to the
winch?
The reason I ask is that since my drive arm was replaced in 2009 the four bolts attaching the bearbox to the bracket on the boom have worked to elongate the holes in the bracket. I am about to dismount the boom, detach the arm and gearbox and have a new floor
fitted to bracket with new holes drilled. I am half expecting to find that when the drive arm was fitted in 2009 ( no names mentioned--but it wasn't me ! ) the bush was omitted and that has resulted in the wear on the bracket.
Anyone else had a similar problem ?
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece
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Re: Volvo TMD22 Timing Belt
Karen, Thank you for the information, I will give it a go.
I have a big and well regarded boat yard just around the corner, if I fail. Paul
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
James Alton
Bill, I also considered using wire for the bilge bonding but I liked the idea of the heavier copper bar that you suggested and went that route. I think that wire or a thin strap is pretty easy to damage over time with bilge cleanings. I covered my new copper with very heavy glue coated shrink wrap which hopefully will make it last even longer and no sharp edges. The stiffness of the thicker bar also made it easy for me to place the end of the bar on the keel bolt and to hold orientation as the keel bolt was tightened. James SV Sueno Preveza, Greece Sent from Samsung tablet.
-------- Original message -------- From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> Date: 10/21/19 12:06 AM (GMT+02:00) To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Ground strap in bilge Copper wire should work. I still prefer copper bar. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 2:53 PM Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via Groups.Io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
Dean Gillies <dean@...>
Alan, I believe you have hit the nail on the head. It’s all about the resistance at the joint to the bolt. A wide flat strap provides the maximum surface contact area between the strap and the bolt. That is the most effective way to minimise the resistance at the joint. A thicker flat strap (than the original) will provide similar resistance (when properly installed) and better longevity. I’m not looking forward to this job when my time comes, sounds really awkward! Dean SY Stella A54-154 X
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Re: Super Maramu stern bumper painting
Thanks Annsofie,
That sounds like a good idea. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Back up tablet navigation aid
We have Furuno Navnet II at the nav station and at the helm, networked with C-Map charts, Laptop at the navstation with MaxSea TZ and Navionocs and C-Map charts and OpenCPN with Google Earth satellite charts plus WiFi connection to a tablet at the helm to mirror the laptop. We also have a B&G plotter where the Forward sonar used to be, with Forward Scan and Navionics charts. Our experience in the S Pacific is that the C-Map charts are generally good, Navionics less so, especially in Fiji where Navionics sometimes doesn't show passages where they exist and shows reefs where there aren't any and doesn't show them where they are.
In the S Pacific ALL electronic charts suffer from the fact that a lot of them are based on very old paper charts made before WGS 84 datum and while thay can be accurate to look at , things are not quite in the right place. In New Caledonia and FP we found the electronic charts to be precise. In Tonga miles out, Fiji a bit out, same in Vanuatu. Mark 1 eye ball is the best navigation instrument in close quarters. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Volvo TMD22 Timing Belt
Karen, Great summary! --
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 5:04 PM Karen Smith via Groups.Io <karenharmonie=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: When Bill recently did the timing belt on our engine, he used a good belt tension gauge, and a dial indicator to re-time the injection pump. He also replaced the tension and idler pulleys. They weren't expensive, and are critical bearings that are really easy to change while you have the belt off anyway.
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Re: Ground strap in bilge
The fact that it is only milliamps makes the conductivity very important. Even a slightly bad connection at the keel bolt will make the keel rust. Best to use 3mm flat copper bar to make the best conductor for the bonding system.
Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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