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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Ian Park
Great answer Gary. Got it in a nutshell!
My Santorin seems to give me an occasional nudge - ‘Skipper, you need to listen to this little warning’. I have had nothing ‘fail’ but robust systems let me know they needed a look at! And just everything has a manual backup. Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Hello!
Well, I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring as well. I did a lot of research before landing in a Super Maramu. Several years' worth really,a a lot of it was just dreaming and window shopping. The Amel won hands-down for me in the most important arena when it can to crossing oceans.with my wife and that was its design with safety in mind. There were so many places where I found the SM in front of other boats when it came to staying safe that I found myself comparing most other boats I looked at back to the Amel. So, it dawned on me I should quit comparing :) One thing I totally understand about getting on a very active forum like this is how you could come away thinking that the boats have numerous inherent problems. Well, I can confidently say that if you go to an Island Packet, Hallbeg-Rassey or Tayana user's group you'll see the same thing only at a different level. While the Amel group keeps talking about basically the same "issues" over and over again (especially for the hebenefit of new owners) these items pretty much hold along the line of 'minor' items. Bow thruster leaks (routine maintenance fixes that), C-Drive oil and seals, (routine maintenance), outhaul, furling, watermaker and other electrical motors and gearboxes all require upkeep and maintenance. What you don't read about are keel-stepped masts that won't quit leaking into the salon, black tanks that develop holes because they get eaten through, rigging failures under stress, keel failures, hull-to-deck joint leaks, engines that water-lock in following seas, .. and I guess I'll quit there. There are many boats that require a lot of work to get them seaworthy, and then that seaworthiness diminishes rapidly with miles. I think dollar-to-mile sailed the Amel is a winner. There are so many points where Amel has seen other designs not work so well and improved on them. Water-tight compartments, stainless rail lifelines, hard dodgers you can walk on, sea-chest water inlet, monocoque hull/deck construction, retracting bow thruster, cockpit controlled 1-peraon sail operations and .. I guess you probably know most of that already, but it's simply not like most other production boats. I think I actually take a bit of joy knowing that if something is going to surprisingly quit working, it is from a rather finite list of mostly non-critical circumstances. Once you get to the point of knowing 'hmm, that pump doesn't sound quite right .. time to change the filter" you'll come to see that it's not that hard to keep the boat ready to go fairly easily. Good luck with your research! Gary W. SM 209, Adagio Halifax NS
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Re: Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning
Mark, Wasn't that the unit you replaced with non-Climma? None of this will likely help because it is likely the compressor has an internal short. If it is not Climma, I am not sure how the electrical connection to the compressor is made, but that connection should be checked closely. What about start and run capacitors? Are they in tolerance and are the connections free of any corrosion? Best, CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 1:43 PM Hans-Joerg Wildhagen <carpediemsail@...> wrote:
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Re: Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning
Hans-Joerg Wildhagen
Hi Mark May be it is a similar problem as with a waterheater when the heater is corroded and the phase and the zero conductor comes at certain point together. I am not sure with that. BR Hans-Jörg from Germany Wasabi in Shelter Bay Marina. Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> schrieb am Fr. 23. Aug. 2019 um 20:21:
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Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning
Rats! It’s hot as heck here in Panama and my aft AC has decided not to play.
This morning, the main GF breaker popped. By turning on breakers one at a time, I was able to determine I have a GF in the aft AC unit. The AC unit immediately pops the GF breaker when powered on.
I have isolated the fault to the compressor. If I disconnect the compressor power from the main circuit board everything else works. The board powers up, the fan turns on etc. The moment I connect the compressor power, the boat’s main GF breaker pops.
Any thoughts?
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama www.creampuff.us
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Heading S from the Chesapeake
Alan/Mark,
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We are also heading S in Nov, first to St Augustine, then meeting friends in Bahamas for a few weeks, then working our way down to Martinique. Are you going outside straight to Martinique? If staying W of the Stream we might head out with you. Kent & Iris
On Aug 23, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
I had a bit of corrosion at the mast base but not bad. I replaced the pads from Maud, expensive little suckers, $280 for the pair. I don’t think I really needed to do that as there is not really anyway for the water to get between
the mast base and the pad. Those drain holes you see are the top side of a plate welded into the base of the mast so that there is no way for water to go anywhere else but out those holes..
I will be leaving as soon as the rugby World Cup is over which I think the final is Nov 2nd so absolutely let’s keep in touch, probably head down in company.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:21:27 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig Thanks Alan. Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well. We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height. I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board. We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch. Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes,
motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes
mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong. From:
main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Hi Alan.
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Re: I'm going to the Annapolis Boat Show - anyone want SM bow thruster lip seals (free)?
Patrick McAneny
Scott, We have been going to the show every year for over 35 yrs. and will be there this yr.as well . I have a 94 SM and would be glad to lighten your payload. Will be coming by boat ,If so we'll look for you ,we generally anchor in front of the Academy in the general anchorage. Hope to see you there. If you are coming south through the C&D stop by and drop your hook ,we live and our boat is on our mooring 4 miles up the river ,good place to anchor in transit ,many do.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Sassafras River, Md.
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From: Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2019 11:53 am Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] I'm going to the Annapolis Boat Show - anyone want SM bow thruster lip seals (free)? Hi all,
Just going through my spare parts and found that I have three lip seals with dimensions 30x42x7 which the previous owner left aboard. He had a SM2000 and I believe these are the lip seals for the SM bow thruster. I have no use for them, so if you are going to the boat show in October and want them, let me know. No cost, just come grab em when we're up at the boat show in October. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience
Check the voltage-drop across the battery switches. My switches showed significant voltage-drop at some point. Exercising them a number of times can rectify the problem.
Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Pulling the mast to rerig
Alan Grayson
I had a bit of corrosion at the mast base but not bad. I replaced the pads from Maud, expensive little suckers, $280 for the pair. I don’t think I really needed to do that as there is not really anyway for the water to get between
the mast base and the pad. Those drain holes you see are the top side of a plate welded into the base of the mast so that there is no way for water to go anywhere else but out those holes..
I will be leaving as soon as the rugby World Cup is over which I think the final is Nov 2nd so absolutely let’s keep in touch, probably head down in company.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:21:27 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig Thanks Alan. Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well. We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height. I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board. We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch. Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes,
motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes
mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong. From:
main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Hi Alan.
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Yes, You should note the year above each column then call "your choice of someone" in DC to convert my numbers to 2019 numbers. Best, CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 10:45 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
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I'm going to the Annapolis Boat Show - anyone want SM bow thruster lip seals (free)?
Scott SV Tengah
Hi all,
Just going through my spare parts and found that I have three lip seals with dimensions 30x42x7 which the previous owner left aboard. He had a SM2000 and I believe these are the lip seals for the SM bow thruster. I have no use for them, so if you are going to the boat show in October and want them, let me know. No cost, just come grab em when we're up at the boat show in October. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Thanks Mark
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On 23 Aug 2019, at 5:36 pm, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Mark McGovern
Paul,
Keep in mind that Bill started his trip in 2006 and ended in 2016. BEFORE Hurricane Irma and Maria. -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: Pulling the mast to rerig
Mike Ondra
Thanks Alan. Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well. We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height. I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board. We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch. Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:42 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong. From: main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Hi Alan.
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Paul In my experience, Europe waters insurance costs from EU companies are lower than most other areas by half or more. Best, CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 8:35 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
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Re: Pulling the mast to rerig
Patrick McAneny
Mike , I did my own rigging , one piece at at a time . Install and tension the lowers a little ,before the uppers. Uppers first, would bow the mast out of column ,always do the lowers a little then proceed to uppers a little and so on.
Pat,
SM Shenanigans
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From: Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience? Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay
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Re: A54 Helm seat/cockpit table and engine hatch opening
Roque
Thank you Bill. What a compliment!! Best
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Hi Bill, that’s a great account and very much appreciate your sharing.
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Could I please inquire, I thought Atlantic, Caribbean and pacific insurance policy’s were much higher? I’ve been quoted $13k+us for cruising in these area. Kind regards Paul
On 23 Aug 2019, at 2:40 pm, andrew aupuni <dan.murphy3076@...> wrote:
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
andrew aupuni <dan.murphy3076@...>
Thank you for this Bill, this will be very helpful to me in the near future.
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Kind regards
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Re: Mainsail manual furler lip seal size?
Alan Grayson
Hi Scott, it is a 30x40x7 standard although mine for some reason was a very sloppy fit so I machined it out to fit a 30x41x7. It should be a good press fit.
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Regards Alan Grayson SM 406 Ora Pai Annapolis
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>
Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2019 7:19:51 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail manual furler lip seal size? Hi all,
I'm rebuilding my mainsail manual furling gearbox and found Pat's info from SM123 very helpful. All the bearings and seals were listed except for the lip seal for the winch handle socket. The seal has degraded to the point that I can't read the specs on it anymore. Does anyone have the specs on this seal? It's amazing how fast it degrades due to UV, so I'll use Bill Rouse's beer koozie trick once I replace it. See attached photo for the seal I'm referencing. I think it's the same seal as on the SM. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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