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Re: Parasailor for Mango

Barry Connor
 

Hi Ian,

I am also wanting to hear from any Amel 54 or other Amel owners of experience with a Parasailor.
I am currently talking to Parasailor French distributor who is advising to get a bow sprit extension. I can see how this extension would keep the lines free of the front side rails.
When using the Parasailor do you need to use the back stays?
Does the boat balance or do you need the Mizzen sail?
Anyone who might have experience would like to hear from you.

Best

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penrlope II”
AMEL 54. #17
Antibes, France


On Aug 18, 2019, at 16:10, Ian Bone <auscaptain@...> wrote:

I was wondering if anyone had had any experience with a parasailor sail for a Mango?
Ian Bone
"Opalescence" (recently renamed (formerly Karma) and re-registered under an Australian Flag)
Hull 63

Parasailor for Mango

Ian Bone
 

I was wondering if anyone had had any experience with a parasailor sail for a Mango?
Ian Bone
"Opalescence" (recently renamed (formerly Karma) and re-registered under an Australian Flag)
Hull 63
Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Paul Brown
 

I berthed at Monastir Marina this year for two months and found it to be very good, safe and happy service, yes unbeatable prices. The fuel is good and the labour is good but I would recommend close supervision including watching over your materials if you use them

Regards Paul - Fortuna 55#17


On 18 Aug 2019, at 9:50 am, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

I have been for 6 years in Monastir, Tunisia.
There are 2 shipyards: One in the marina with a travellift of 20 tons and another in the fishers port (Port de Peches) with a larger travellift.
If you are able to tell them exactly what you want they do it very well or you do it yourself (no problem at all).
But the biggest advantage over any other place in the mediterranian are the unbeatable prices. A berth floating or on the hard more than 3-times cheaper than anywhere else.
Diesel fuel 3-times cheaper, alcoholics (beer, wine) nearly some prices than in Europe but food and restaurants very cheap. Best place for fish and other sea food.
The Marina Monastir is camera controlled. Boats may stay without problems for 2 years (after 2 years leave Tunisia for a short trip to e.g. Pantelleria and come back for next 2 years).
Port de Peches: http://www.le-dauphin-bleu.com/
Marina: http://www.marinamonastir.tn/
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Misc 1985 mango electrical question

Gerhard Mueller
 

The box has a 220 volt connector, the one on the left with the male pin for protective conductor and the 2 female for current and mass, and a 12 volt connector on the right for the italien connector.



This italien connector plug is rarely to get in these days.
In the middle is the fuse.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Gerhard Mueller
 

I have been for 6 years in Monastir, Tunisia.
There are 2 shipyards: One in the marina with a travellift of 20 tons and another in the fishers port (Port de Peches) with a larger travellift.
If you are able to tell them exactly what you want they do it very well or you do it yourself (no problem at all).
But the biggest advantage over any other place in the mediterranian are the unbeatable prices. A berth floating or on the hard more than 3-times cheaper than anywhere else.
Diesel fuel 3-times cheaper, alcoholics (beer, wine) nearly some prices than in Europe but food and restaurants very cheap. Best place for fish and other sea food.
The Marina Monastir is camera controlled. Boats may stay without problems for 2 years (after 2 years leave Tunisia for a short trip to e.g. Pantelleria and come back for next 2 years).
Port de Peches: http://www.le-dauphin-bleu.com/
Marina: http://www.marinamonastir.tn/
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Joerg Esdorn
 

I would highly recommend Basimakopoulos shipyard in Kilada on Peloponnes.  Competent, nice people doing work at a reasonable price.  And the location is very safe from freak winds and thieves.  
Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Joerg Esdorn
 

To reinforce what Bill is saying:  don’t go to the shipyard in Marina di Ragusa. It’s the worst experience I’ve had in decades.   And I would go further.  If you want any work done on your boat, don’t go to Marina di Ragusa because the marina prohibits all work being done on your boat - including by yourself - unless it’s done by the incompetent people of the shipyard.  
Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks, Bill,
I meant the question, generically, but appreciate the detailed answers.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 17, 2019, at 11:35 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Matt, it is not clear which marina or which person your question is directed to, but the simple answer is each marina has its own rules. Marina di Ragusa mentioned earlier has a low price for the winter season which requires advance reservations and advance payment, although I know they made some concessions in the past. Marina di Ragusa is perfect for in-the-water, but I would NOT recommend it for hard stand.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:40 AM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Out of curiosity, does the marina require the entire seasonal payment up front, or along the way?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 17, 2019, at 7:53 AM, tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...> wrote:

Hi Theo

We’ve acted on Bill’s recommendation to lift out in Malta this winter. 

We’ve been in Preveza, Greece for 2 winters (latterly with the Amel). We were in Cleopatra Marina which is highly organised but in my experience can be a little ‘officious’ about who works on your boat. You may find Ionion (sic) Marina next door is a little more relaxed. In my opinion, they’re both good value at approx €3k. Aktio is the third Marina there - reputedly more relaxed in every way. The Greek tepai tax won’t be payable while you’re ashore (but you’ll pay for a month at c€100 on entry no matter if it’s just a few days before lift, plus an annual Dekpa at €50)

Malta is a little more expensive at circa €4K but I’m seeking a better choice of consistent quality in engineering, electronic and rigging skills for several winter projects. And direct winter flights are helpful. 

We had an offer from Marina di Ragusa at €2,700 and would probably like to spend a winter afloat there in the future. 

There are plenty of Amel owners who’ve experienced all of the above and will have great first hand knowledge. 

Wishing you well with your decision making and I suggest you might want to move very quickly - certainly the Greek marinas may tell you’re they’re largely booked (I’m at Kalamata right now, which could be an excellent choice but my neighbours just told me there’s currently no winter space - but things are often ‘fluid’ in this part of the world). If you end up in Preveza please ask me for engineer recommendations - I’ve good and bad experiences to share privately if that’s helpful. 

Best,

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar
Kalamata, Southern Peloponnese, Greece

On 17 Aug 2019, at 17:08, Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Matt Salatino
 

Which marina?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 17, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> wrote:

10/100 reserve
50/100 when you leave the boat
40/100 when you put the boat on the water.
See me reasonable

Resposta simplificada enviada
do meu iPhone
Jose Alegria
918663037

Josealegr@...



No dia 17/08/2019, às 19:40, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> escreveu:

Matt
Misc 1985 mango electrical question

Arlo
 

Any ideas what these two electrical boxes were installed by Amel for? The electrical system on the boat is in pristine condition but I have not figured out what Amel intended these for.


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Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

tony wells
 

Hi Matt

In my experience, the Preveza (Greece) marinas have required a deposit of 10% up front (ie on reservation) and then the lift out and scrub payment has been charged on lift, with the balance invoiced and paid just prior to the launch ie on departure. 

Manoel Island, Malta, with whom Bill R has negotiated Yacht School client discounts, has not requested a deposit to confirm the reservation. 

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar
Kalamata, Southern Peloponnese, Greece


On 17 Aug 2019, at 19:40, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Out of curiosity, does the marina require the entire seasonal payment up front, or along the way?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 17, 2019, at 7:53 AM, tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...> wrote:

Hi Theo

We’ve acted on Bill’s recommendation to lift out in Malta this winter. 

We’ve been in Preveza, Greece for 2 winters (latterly with the Amel). We were in Cleopatra Marina which is highly organised but in my experience can be a little ‘officious’ about who works on your boat. You may find Ionion (sic) Marina next door is a little more relaxed. In my opinion, they’re both good value at approx €3k. Aktio is the third Marina there - reputedly more relaxed in every way. The Greek tepai tax won’t be payable while you’re ashore (but you’ll pay for a month at c€100 on entry no matter if it’s just a few days before lift, plus an annual Dekpa at €50)

Malta is a little more expensive at circa €4K but I’m seeking a better choice of consistent quality in engineering, electronic and rigging skills for several winter projects. And direct winter flights are helpful. 

We had an offer from Marina di Ragusa at €2,700 and would probably like to spend a winter afloat there in the future. 

There are plenty of Amel owners who’ve experienced all of the above and will have great first hand knowledge. 

Wishing you well with your decision making and I suggest you might want to move very quickly - certainly the Greek marinas may tell you’re they’re largely booked (I’m at Kalamata right now, which could be an excellent choice but my neighbours just told me there’s currently no winter space - but things are often ‘fluid’ in this part of the world). If you end up in Preveza please ask me for engineer recommendations - I’ve good and bad experiences to share privately if that’s helpful. 

Best,

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar
Kalamata, Southern Peloponnese, Greece

On 17 Aug 2019, at 17:08, Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

CW Bill Rouse
 

Matt, it is not clear which marina or which person your question is directed to, but the simple answer is each marina has its own rules. Marina di Ragusa mentioned earlier has a low price for the winter season which requires advance reservations and advance payment, although I know they made some concessions in the past. Marina di Ragusa is perfect for in-the-water, but I would NOT recommend it for hard stand.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:40 AM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Out of curiosity, does the marina require the entire seasonal payment up front, or along the way?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 17, 2019, at 7:53 AM, tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...> wrote:

Hi Theo

We’ve acted on Bill’s recommendation to lift out in Malta this winter. 

We’ve been in Preveza, Greece for 2 winters (latterly with the Amel). We were in Cleopatra Marina which is highly organised but in my experience can be a little ‘officious’ about who works on your boat. You may find Ionion (sic) Marina next door is a little more relaxed. In my opinion, they’re both good value at approx €3k. Aktio is the third Marina there - reputedly more relaxed in every way. The Greek tepai tax won’t be payable while you’re ashore (but you’ll pay for a month at c€100 on entry no matter if it’s just a few days before lift, plus an annual Dekpa at €50)

Malta is a little more expensive at circa €4K but I’m seeking a better choice of consistent quality in engineering, electronic and rigging skills for several winter projects. And direct winter flights are helpful. 

We had an offer from Marina di Ragusa at €2,700 and would probably like to spend a winter afloat there in the future. 

There are plenty of Amel owners who’ve experienced all of the above and will have great first hand knowledge. 

Wishing you well with your decision making and I suggest you might want to move very quickly - certainly the Greek marinas may tell you’re they’re largely booked (I’m at Kalamata right now, which could be an excellent choice but my neighbours just told me there’s currently no winter space - but things are often ‘fluid’ in this part of the world). If you end up in Preveza please ask me for engineer recommendations - I’ve good and bad experiences to share privately if that’s helpful. 

Best,

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar
Kalamata, Southern Peloponnese, Greece

On 17 Aug 2019, at 17:08, Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Jose Alegria
 

10/100 reserve
50/100 when you leave the boat
40/100 when you put the boat on the water.
See me reasonable

Resposta simplificada enviada
do meu iPhone
Jose Alegria
918663037

Josealegr@...



No dia 17/08/2019, às 19:40, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> escreveu:

Matt
Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Matt Salatino
 

Out of curiosity, does the marina require the entire seasonal payment up front, or along the way?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 17, 2019, at 7:53 AM, tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...> wrote:

Hi Theo

We’ve acted on Bill’s recommendation to lift out in Malta this winter. 

We’ve been in Preveza, Greece for 2 winters (latterly with the Amel). We were in Cleopatra Marina which is highly organised but in my experience can be a little ‘officious’ about who works on your boat. You may find Ionion (sic) Marina next door is a little more relaxed. In my opinion, they’re both good value at approx €3k. Aktio is the third Marina there - reputedly more relaxed in every way. The Greek tepai tax won’t be payable while you’re ashore (but you’ll pay for a month at c€100 on entry no matter if it’s just a few days before lift, plus an annual Dekpa at €50)

Malta is a little more expensive at circa €4K but I’m seeking a better choice of consistent quality in engineering, electronic and rigging skills for several winter projects. And direct winter flights are helpful. 

We had an offer from Marina di Ragusa at €2,700 and would probably like to spend a winter afloat there in the future. 

There are plenty of Amel owners who’ve experienced all of the above and will have great first hand knowledge. 

Wishing you well with your decision making and I suggest you might want to move very quickly - certainly the Greek marinas may tell you’re they’re largely booked (I’m at Kalamata right now, which could be an excellent choice but my neighbours just told me there’s currently no winter space - but things are often ‘fluid’ in this part of the world). If you end up in Preveza please ask me for engineer recommendations - I’ve good and bad experiences to share privately if that’s helpful. 

Best,

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar
Kalamata, Southern Peloponnese, Greece

On 17 Aug 2019, at 17:08, Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Upper C-Drive oil leak

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Eamonn,
    Glad you found the leak.  Yes, the 60-90-10 is a generic rotary shaft seal (aka lip seal), any brand is fine like SKF, Parker Hannefin, etc. and no, no special features are needed (ie., a stainless steel garter spring is not needed). You can get either a single lip or a double lip if that's all they've got (the 2nd lip is just a dirt barrier and can't hurt, but is not needed here). 
This can most certainly be done in the water. 
    You may not have much success with the vacuum oil pump, other then emptying the reservoir, which you can do, perhaps more easily, by removing the reservoir's bottom hose from the C-drive's housing and draining the oil into a container. There will still be some dripping when you remove the old seal so just bunch some rags below it.
    Hope I didn't put you off with talk of hand sledge and chisels-as-wedges - this is really a pretty easy job. You might want to see if it's in your DIY comfort zone by loosening the bolts on your Vetus coupling and seeing if the coupling is free to slide a fraction fore-and-aft on the C-drive shaft. That's half the battle. If it's free, then loosen the metal retaining ring that sits outside of the lip seal - it's got a small bolt clamping it to the shaft.  If that wiggles free you're good to go. If those are frozen, maybe go ahead with your mechanic.
    "Scooting" the engine back is just removing the four engine mounting bolts - no need to remove shift, throttle, fuel, water, or air connections - just four bolts. You'll want to use long extensions on your socket wrench and an "old man" extension pipe for the ratchet handle to give more leverage.
    Then run a stout line between you primaries and through the engine's lifting ring, apply some tension to unweight the engine (don't pick it up - just unweight it), "scoot" it back and ... Bob's your Uncle.
The whole project should take 3 hours and 47 minutes. 😜
Good luck with it!
Craig SN68 Sangaris
Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

tony wells
 

Hi Theo

We’ve acted on Bill’s recommendation to lift out in Malta this winter. 

We’ve been in Preveza, Greece for 2 winters (latterly with the Amel). We were in Cleopatra Marina which is highly organised but in my experience can be a little ‘officious’ about who works on your boat. You may find Ionion (sic) Marina next door is a little more relaxed. In my opinion, they’re both good value at approx €3k. Aktio is the third Marina there - reputedly more relaxed in every way. The Greek tepai tax won’t be payable while you’re ashore (but you’ll pay for a month at c€100 on entry no matter if it’s just a few days before lift, plus an annual Dekpa at €50)

Malta is a little more expensive at circa €4K but I’m seeking a better choice of consistent quality in engineering, electronic and rigging skills for several winter projects. And direct winter flights are helpful. 

We had an offer from Marina di Ragusa at €2,700 and would probably like to spend a winter afloat there in the future. 

There are plenty of Amel owners who’ve experienced all of the above and will have great first hand knowledge. 

Wishing you well with your decision making and I suggest you might want to move very quickly - certainly the Greek marinas may tell you’re they’re largely booked (I’m at Kalamata right now, which could be an excellent choice but my neighbours just told me there’s currently no winter space - but things are often ‘fluid’ in this part of the world). If you end up in Preveza please ask me for engineer recommendations - I’ve good and bad experiences to share privately if that’s helpful. 

Best,

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar
Kalamata, Southern Peloponnese, Greece

On 17 Aug 2019, at 17:08, Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Paul Brown
 


Hi Theo, I can recommend Capo de Orlando or marina Di Ragusa north and south Sicily 

Regards Paul - Fortuna II 55#17



On 17 Aug 2019, at 4:08 pm, Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Re: Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

CW Bill Rouse
 

Theo,

I really like Manoel Island Yacht Yard in Malta, which is about 50 miles south of Sicily. It is one of 2 yards that I recommend...the other is Carenantilles in Martinique in the caribbean. 

There are many advantages at Manoel Island including: security, great value, excellent craftsmen and many specialty shops like woodworking, metal, safety, etc. You will not regret it.

Contact: Andrew Wilson <AWilson@...>
General Email: info@... Phone: (+356) 2133 4453/4 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 9:08 AM Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18

Recommendations for winter on the hard in S. Italy or Greece

Theo s/v Paloma
 

Hi everyone,

We're really enjoying our Amel 50 in the Balearic islands. It's such a luxury to have a floating home by beautiful beaches and crystal clear seas. Our initial goal was to reach Turkey on the first Med season, but there's so much to see and we're moving too slow. 

So now, for the winter we're planning to leave our boat, on the hard, in S Italy or Western/Mid Greece. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good yard to leave our Paloma?

Thank you in advance.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18
Re: Upper C-Drive oil leak

Eamonn Washington
 

Many thanks for all the hints and suggestions. The oil leak is slower than I had said; about a fifth of the oil between the Max and Min mark leaked and it drips a drop every 3 or 4 hours when the engine is off.  I identified the source of the leak as being between the part (coupling?) that you can rotate by hand when in neutral between the reverse gearbox and the C-drive, right against the C-drive.

Craig, it does sound like the upper seal.  If so I would need a mechanic as scooting the engine back a bit is beyond my capabilities.  Can this be done with the boat in the water?  (I do have a vacuum oil pump.)  Will any “60-90-10 single lip rotary shaft seal” do, or are there additional requirements when ordering it?

This year, my fifth of SM ownership, has had more things go wrong than previous years despite a fairly full preventative maintenance program.  8 pumps failed or required major service since April, as well as a major generator failure.  I do sometimes ask myself, when will it all end?

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Calasetta, Sardinia, Italy.