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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips
Thomas Kleman
John- on L'ORIENT polytrol looks great for 6-8 months, looks OK for another 3...then you need to reapply it. Others might have a different experience. The key for me is that it seems to protect my black lines. Painting the lines again would add 2 days to a 3 hour job.
Tom and Kirstin SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
John, You reminded me of an experience I had. I bought new galvanized chain from a marine shop in Europe. When it was delivered, it was obvious to me that it was old chain that had been regalvanized. I refused it and also refused the replacement shipment for the same reason. I discussed it with the shop owner. I believe that he truly didn't know that the chain distributor was cheating him, but he admitted that the price was too good to be true. I finally received 100 meters of new galvanized chain. Ask yourself if you are sure that you could tell the difference between new and newly regalvanized chain. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.AmelYachtOwnersSchool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
Gregory Shea
FWIW I never had a chain twist problem until I tried the arrangement described by Eamonn. With 10mm galvanised chain, three chain links followed by the kong swivel I immediately had twist problems and the chain wanted to jump off the gypsy. I put the kong swivel
back on the (Mantus) anchor shank and the twist went away. My experience made me wonder if the kong swivel is only effective if one half is held rigid by the shank. It also made me consider switching to a Mantus swivel to avoid side loading the kong.
Did someone say that that anchors and anchoring are a black art?
Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles Preveza
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 3:48 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Twisted chain - Amel 54 Hi
In 5 years I never had twisted chain issues, with 80m galvanised chain, anchoring about 120 times a year in the past 3 years. Amel supplied, shall we say, inferior anchors to what was available in the industry. Could be they also supplied inferior swivels. I guess they reason owners would upgrade to modern (spade, rocna, ultra) anchors and swivels. I personally installed a spade anchor, with a bow shackle to 3 links of chain, then a kong swivel, then my 80m chain. (The 3 links of chain avoid the swivel ever having a lateral load which would exceed its capabilities.) Regarding the stainless steel jumping on the gypsy, maybe it is because stainless steel stretches and some links don’t fit so well on the gypsy any more. Eamonn Washington Travel Bug Super Maramu #151 Currently in Denia, Spain.
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
John Clark
Teun, I got lucky with my SM as she had brand new galvanized chain. Previous owner bought the chain in Martinique. Since then and innumerable anchorings I have taken to casual shopping for new chain. I have noted a wide variation in the coarseness of the galvanization. The chain on Annie is not very rough on the surface and we have not had any issues with it passing through the windlass or twisting. Granted most of our anchoring has been in relatively shallow water compared to the Pacific however we spent several months exploring tidal rivers in the US where the current changes direction every few hours...swinging the boat 180 degrees...in random rotations. Never had an issue. I think you are right that is chain is slippery with itself so it can untangle more easily. Annie's smooth galvanized chain probably has some of those properties. Coarse chain might behave differently.
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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips
John Clark
Hi Giovanni, In 2017 I addressed the deck on Annie SM37. The surface structure was sound but the colors had faded badly. Made the boat look rather shabby. I used a cream colored Interlux paint(check forum for pictures of the container) for the former dark brown thin strips. Bugel tool to apply the paint. Surface preparation is important. I cleaned the area to be painted with acetone followed by light sanding(following advice from L'Orient). For the tan or light brown part I was OK with the faded lighter shade, however there were some places were the brown was worn to the base white. I touched these areas up by mixing small quantities of the cream paint with black brown and yellow color tint to match the local color. I looked like a mad artist painting the deck. But it worked just fine. After two years I have had no problems with the painted areas. No flaking, fading, color changes or other problems. Patrick, "Le Mayor du Ponton 4" in Marin has used Polytrol on his deck and recommended it highly. I watched him apply it and it renewed the appearance of his SM decks instantly. I would be interested in hearing reccomndations regarding the longevity of this product. John SV Annie. SM 37 Brunswick GA
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 5:00 AM Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:
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Re: Eno oven flows gas WITHOUT flame
Glad you solved it!
Yes, there is a delay, especially in a hot oven, while the thermocouple cools off and stops generating the electricity that holds the valve open. Perfectly normal. Cheers, Craig
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
Eamonn, I will politely remind you of this: "We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor." Please edit your post for two reasons: (1)You stated your opinion as fact, and (2) it was disrespectful of Amel management. --
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:48 PM Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...> wrote: Hi
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Slight change on Yachts For Sale and Spare Parts Subgroup postings
Please note the following quote which is on our homepage:
Buying or Selling Amel yachts and/or Amel Parts (Join these subgroups): Yachts For Sale Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wanting to sell their Amel and Buyers wanting to buy an Amel can post details once every 60 days. Share Parts Subgroup: Amel yacht owners wishing to Buy or Sell cruising spares from one another, can post details once every 60 days. After posting in either of the subgroups, members can make a short summary post in the main group, advising all members of the Subgroup post...please save the details for the Subgroup posting. -- Best,
Bill Rouse
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Re: Annapolis Boat Show
That sounds good. We’re about to head in now. See you soon.
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Re: Annapolis Boat Show
Michael Mueller
Hi Mike, I would like to join you for drinks at Davis' Pub (Eastport) and I am interested in dinner too.
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Re: Twisted chain - Amel 54
Hi
In 5 years I never had twisted chain issues, with 80m galvanised chain, anchoring about 120 times a year in the past 3 years. I personally installed a spade anchor, with a bow shackle to 3 links of chain, then a kong swivel, then my 80m chain. (The 3 links of chain avoid the swivel ever having a lateral load which would exceed its capabilities.) Regarding the stainless steel jumping on the gypsy, I believe stainless steel stretches or elongates and some links don’t fit so well on the gypsy any more. Eamonn Washington Travel Bug Super Maramu #151 Currently in Denia, Spain.
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Re: A54 fridge circulation pump
Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Hello,
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Yes I think my setup its a way to get rid of all the problems this old system had. Yes I carry these parts double as spares because I run a prototype. In total its so much cheaper than one original pump so its no problem to carry spares. And the parts used are much smaller and lighter, while much more powerfull, than the original pumps. The VESC speed controller is developed by Mr Vedder, a clever swedish, and used in many DIY and comercial scooters, scateboards, eSurfboards with much higher power demands than our little pump. So its a prooven system. My fridge/freezer controller is part of the ship Computer system and connected to NMEA2K bus. The original thermostats are no more used. Instead precise electronic thermometers are in both devices. The controller checks on these thermometers and decides about cooling needs. If one unit is above set threshold the controller looks also for the other and if ever possible colls both at the same time. This will further reduce working time of the raw water pump. The controller sends serial commands to the VESC. but the VESC is very versatile so its also possible to regulate it in a simple way Oliver A54#39 Vela Nautica Portugal Sent from my Huawei Mobile
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Re: SM Bow thruster wiring diagram?
Eamonn Washington
Hi Mark
no, your box looks neater that my older box. I contacted Amel but they do not have the 20cm jack-screws anymore. Then we put the wires back the original way, and physically reinstalled the up/down motor upside down and all was OK! Problem solved. Eamonn Washington Travel Bug Super Maramu #151 Leaving Denia in the morning, Spain.
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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips
Yes is still brown, but the pigment went partially away, so I can
see the under layer as the deck color, after 11 years sailing
around the sun/UV world.
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So I m planning to re paint it with original RAL dark brown code I dont know. Giovanni&Marina sv EUTIKIA SM 428 Il 10/10/2019 19:55, Thomas Kleman ha
scritto:
I see that Eutikia is 6 boats after L'ORIENT (422). My brown stripes were faded to a ghastly purple when I bought the boat in 2010, which is why I never considered that color when I repainted the stripes. Black has worked for me but I've seen white, beige, and a few other colors on SMs, all looking quite nice. Curious if your brown is still brown.
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Re: SM deck maintenance-Polytrol_ORIGINAL RAL COLOR for thin strips
Thomas Kleman
I see that Eutikia is 6 boats after L'ORIENT (422). My brown stripes were faded to a ghastly purple when I bought the boat in 2010, which is why I never considered that color when I repainted the stripes. Black has worked for me but I've seen white, beige, and a few other colors on SMs, all looking quite nice. Curious if your brown is still brown.
Tom and Kirstin SV L'ORIENT SM2K 422
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Re: Standing rigging on 54
In Jan 2019, complete 54 ACMO kit 9990.0€ not including freight or VAT. Weight 141.7kg. --
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Re: Standing rigging on 54
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Peter;
The 6 shrouds for the main ran right about 5,000 Euros with tax and without shipping. The labor will run at or about 1,000 euros or less, if Nicky does it for you. He is a really fast and knowledgeable rigger. If you have other issues on your rig, like anemometer or lighting issues, he can take care of it all. You would have to pay his flight cost to wherever you are.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Peter Forbes via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:20 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging on 54
Hi Mohammad,
Can you give me a round number price indication for ACMO kit and install labour?
I’m thinking of doing same next winter.
Peter Forbes Carango Amel 54 #035 La Rochelle
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Hi Mohammad, Can you give me a round number price indication for ACMO kit and install labour? I’m thinking of doing same next winter. Peter Forbes Carango Amel 54 #035 La Rochelle
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Re: Standing rigging on 54
Mohammad Shirloo
Hi Nick;
Amel has already worked out the pin size issues you are addressing. We had the same concerns, but after talking to ACMO, found out they have simply gone to a stronger material for the pins and kept the pin sizes the same as existing. You will receive everything required to make the change from ACMO. No changes to the boat are required in any way.
We just replaced all shrouds at the main with zero issues.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty B&B Kokomo AMEL 54 #099
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 8:09 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging on 54
Nick,
ACMO will ship you what you need...they know what you need and have been doing this for a while.
Regarding your question about substitutes of wire, etc., That needs to be answered by the 54's designer, Amel. I am sure their advice is to use the ACMO solution, since they worked out this solution with ACMO.
Hopefully, you are aware that the two intermediate shrouds also changed since the 54s introduction to 10mm, rather than 8mm.
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Re: Standing rigging on 54
Nick, ACMO will ship you what you need...they know what you need and have been doing this for a while. Regarding your question about substitutes of wire, etc., That needs to be answered by the 54's designer, Amel. I am sure their advice is to use the ACMO solution, since they worked out this solution with ACMO. Hopefully, you are aware that the two intermediate shrouds also changed since the 54s introduction to 10mm, rather than 8mm. --
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