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Re: start stop engine

karkauai
 

You beat me to it, Eric.  That was the first thing that came to mind, too, unless the engine is new to him and he doesn’t know to push the stop button before turning off the key as Gerhart suggested.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:59 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top.

They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid.

These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time.

If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time.

The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing.

They are a few inches from the big solenoid.

One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump.

The first thing I would do is to check the diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.


Mainsail manual furler lip seal size?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

I'm rebuilding my mainsail manual furling gearbox and found Pat's info from SM123 very helpful. All the bearings and seals were listed except for the lip seal for the winch handle socket.

The seal has degraded to the point that I can't read the specs on it anymore. Does anyone have the specs on this seal? It's amazing how fast it degrades due to UV, so I'll use Bill Rouse's beer koozie trick once I replace it.

See attached photo for the seal I'm referencing. I think it's the same seal as on the SM.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: start stop engine

eric freedman
 

There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top.

They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid.

These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time.

If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time.

The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing.

They are a few inches from the big solenoid.

One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump.

The first thing I would do is to check the diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.


AMEL HAS AN OFFICE IN HUNTINGTON NY

eric freedman
 

I went by the office as I heard there was a 50 in the harbor across from my boat.

The 50 was returned to the main office and is now back in Huntington.

I am going to take a look at it Saturday. If anyone is nearby and would like to see it  is here.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Thank you Bill for your statement ! 

It's all right and if Amel hits 30%, it's more than fair. 

For this you always get the right part sometimes in Europe in 24 hours, you don't have to search and you have the pleasure to phone with Moude! 

i love it 


Best Elja SM 222


Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: start stop engine

Gerhard Mueller
 

Bill
Perhaps you misunderstand. He is already stopping the engine by hand with the level at the injection pump.
But he wants to stop the engine with the stop button at the engine panel using the stop solenoid as normal.
Regarding the wire diagrams it might be he has first switched off the start switch and after that the stop button has no current anymore.
So first stop the engine with the stop button and after that switch off the start switch (using the key).
Perhaps you will want to take this correct procedure into your Amel documentations.
Thank you.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit

 

JLM,

Sure it is possible for a person to correctly duplicate anything, but many fail. Look how Chinese parts appear to be exactly the same, but....you know the answer. Sometimes the variance in duplication is an error, sometimes it is purposefully done to lower costs.

And, how do you make the propeller shaft wear bushing? What material and what hardness do you make it out of?

As you know that all seals are not equal, some harder, some softer, some with stainless steel springs, others not.

The reasons I suggest Amel as a source for these parts:
  1. We all want Amel to continue supplying us with parts, especially those impossible to source. Amel makes a 30% markup...fine, it is worth it. As we all know Amel routinely supplies parts for Amels that are over 20 years old and recently they supplied someone parts for a 30-year old Amel. I love this...don't you?
  2. There have been a number of European made knock-off parts like SM & 54 wear bushings, SM bow thruster nylon hubs and propellers, etc. I have seen a lot of these knock-offs, all after failure. For instance someone in Europe had a machine shop turn the bow thruster propeller hubs from Nylon...Amel uses Delrin. If you do not know the difference, research it. They look the same. There are lots more examples that I will not bore you with.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 6:41 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Bill,

For your information the kit is very very  easy to make by your self, for only some dollars ...

I buy the seals for over 10 years at 123roulements with prices and delivering time that I found very pleasant ...

Bill, "tout est possible dans un monde infini...." (all is possible in an infinite world ....)

Fair Wind


Le 21/08/2019 à 16:59, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Jean Luc,

The Amel 55 C-Drive Propeller Shaft Wear Bushing and Seal Kit. I am 100% positive that you can get this only at Amel.
image.png
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:46 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Bill,

About what for C-drive seals you are speeking ?

Jean Luc


Le 21/08/2019 à 15:11, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Paul,

I think that  www.123roulement.com is a good company, but I am 99% sure that they will NOT have the Amel-made wear bushing. They may have seals that fit, but to ensure you are getting the best seal for the job, don't try to save a few euros.

My advice is to purchase the wear bushing and seals from Amel only. The 55 has a larger output shaft and thus larger wear bushing and seals than the SM & 54. The procedure is also different. Email sav"at"amel.fr. Ask for the complete kit and also ask for instructions. The last time someone asked for instructions, Amel sent them instructions for SM & 54. Hopefully that has changed.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:53 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
hello all, I’m inquiring please  for assistance to where I can purchase the Cdrive seal kit and at what estimated price? Can this only be purchased through Amel or is it a standard product from a distributor or manufacturer?

thank you for your time 

regards paul - Fortuna II 55#17

Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com


Re: start stop engine

 

image.png

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:38 AM Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Elja
I have printed out and given him the wire diagrams of his Yanmar engine.
I guess he has switched off the starter switch and so the stop switch has no current anymore.
At last that shows the diagrams.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

Mark Erdos
 

Jose,

 

This sounds very typical of carbon buildup in the engine/exhaust. The carbon build up is a result of the generator not having enough load for long periods. Using the generator to just charge the batteries is not good for it. It needs to be run with a 70% load, so turn on other stuff like the AC and do some laundry.  If not addressed this will cause issues with pistons, rings, injector and valves and can be very expensive to fix.

 

Remove the exhaust elbow and look inside. This will serve as your indication that the engine has excessive carbon build up, or not. Black soot is okay on the edges. But, if it appears to be caked on the sides and is impeding the flow of fumes, this is a problem.  Clean or replace the elbow if needed. Hopefully this will solve your issue because this is where exhaust fumes are cooled. However, you should also look inside the exhaust manifold of the engine leading to the elbow. If you continue to find excessive carbon in this area you may have a bigger problem.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

Jose Alegria
 

Mark and Mike
This happens in the first   15-30 minutes running, after this is almost imperceptible.
The model is an Onan 11 Kw with 1200 hours serviced at 1000 hours at s amel 55#003

But the interesting is: come  more black color from water colling hose than from fume hose!...
Thanks


Jose Alegria
Amel55 #03-MERIT
+351918663037



No dia 22/08/2019, às 16:58, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> escreveu:

Hello Jose.
We had similar carbon discharge from the Onan during spring start up, powder as well as chunks of carbon. Ultimately the Onan would not start. Opening up the exhaust mixing elbow revealed huge carbon buildup leaving only about 1 cm diameter air passage for the exhaust. Not at all uncommon when marine diesels are not run periodically under high load. That would be the first place I would look.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Chesapeake


On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

Can you give more information? Is it when you start the Onan or all the time? Is it oily or carbon? What model Onan and boat is this on? How you done anything to troubleshoot and if so what were your findings?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Alegria
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

 

Dear AMEL Group / Owners
I appreciate your ideas about the reason I have black water comes from my onan 11 raw water exhaust hose 
And from exhaust fumes too  ( less quantity )
The Onan was 1200 hours and was serviced at 100 hours
Thanks in advance

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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

 

Orion,

I have 10 years of total expenses posted on our circumnavigation blog at www.svbebe.com. Click on the COSTS tab.
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi John are you staying at Brunswick landing Marina l miss the free beer!  Cheers
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
Grenada


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark <john.biohead@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Hello Orion,
    Welcome to the group.   To go straight to your question;  no,  Amels are not more expensive than other yachts in a similar class. (I can speak authoritatively for Super Maramus and Santorins)    Yes they are quirky....but in a functional way that you will appreciate.  My experience with my SM, Annie, a 1990 model has been entirely positive.  Yes some stuff breaks, but I don't think I have spent any real money on "broken" items.  I did update the electronics, add a second autopilot and solar arch. Those cost a bit, but I consider them wants not needs.   My insurance wanted the standing rig updated so I had it replaced after I purchased the vessel, cost would be the same for any vessel in the same class. 
  I probably could have done none of the above and still had a near perfect sailing yacht.    My equipment failure list in the last three years and 13000 NM sailing is a bilge pump(Amel rebuild kit $100) SW impeller on main engine...failed and melted the muffler(most SMs have a SS muffler I had plastic) repair cost $34 + $300, genoa sail seam split at top of sail 2x, cost about $150 to repair each time, mainsail furler gears ($23 for gears $70 for machine shop to get the old gear out.), frig compressor, replaced with off the shelf bolt in upgrade($800).   Generator SW impeller ($34)  My boat came with set of spare sails so no down time. Most recently the genoa sheet car failed. Replacement cost is between $125(Ebay) and $450(Antal) for a replacement.  Not too bad for three years and near constant sailing. 

My Amel Journey:
I planned for my "big boat" purchase for several years before committing.   I remember I had read about Amels at one point.  The author thought they were innovative, but too complicated to be practical...so I didn't pursue them further.  But I know now that God and Henri have mysterious ways.  Years later on one particular afternoon I took a friend to the hospital for an outpatient procedure.  I had a couple of hours to kill while waiting and went for a walk at the local marina.  There I saw a strikingly beautiful boat. ...you know the saying  "one look is all it took."  I looked up the boat, she was an Amel 64...priced in the "double digits" at the time...you know price is 1.5M .  No I could not afford that Amel, but it completely rearranged my view of the brand  stuck in my head. 

A year or two later I was zeroing in on buying an Irwin 68 when just like you I too discovered SV Delos on YouTube.  Looking at Delos I thought wow that is one cool boat....didn't pick up on it being an Amel for a little while.  I think it was some episode where Brian was recounting discovering Delos where I realized what Delos was..  Like me he said he was hooked at the first glance.  I started researching the brand with more diligence and became really impressed.   Just like you, I joined the Amel Owners Forum as it was called at the time, and was referred to a fellow named Joel Potter. He was the Amel dealer/broker for North America.  I called him and we talked for over two hours.  He did not have an Amel that met my price point but still gave me hours of advice and pointers on what to look for.  He even gave me inside info on Amel's I was interested in...he is a resource and a really good guy to talk to.  

The first Amel I saw in the flesh was in Virginia.  I had already arranged to look at an SM in Portugal but my GF at the time thought I was crazy to think about flying to the EU and buying a boat I had never seen.  We found a boat for sale in VA that was priced too high for me but was in brokerage and available to visit. We took a weekend and drove up to look at it.  Needless to say the GF was blown away...me I was just saying yes...this is what I want. The boat was in OK condition but had a few issues.  It wasn't the right one for me BUT it confirmed everything I thought I knew about Amels.  That weekend we looked at Passports, Island Packets, Freedoms, a Manson, a Cabo, a couple of Hans Christians, and....yes a Beneteau.   Nothing compared to that Amel. The very nice broker who gave us the boat show saw our feelings and admitted to us...once you see the Amel you are done.  
So my advice:   Like you, I somewhat superficially fixated on the Delos model, the SM2K.  They were made from 1999 to 2005.  Amel started making Super Maramus in 1989.   I would not restrict myself to considering just the later years.  I got a good deal on Annie...the previous owner's offered price made me take a look at her even though she was an older SM, and at the time not in my window of consideration.  She was perfect.  Now after a few years and hanging out with other SM owners most with newer models, I am actually happy that I bought Annie and not a newer SM.  She retains more of the expedition yacht features than the later SMs and in my opinion has more character inside....wood floors, ceiling trim boards, older more robust furling mechanisms...and some cool sailing history.  

That is another thing you get with an Amel.  You are the custodian/care taker of the boat as much as you are the owner.  I still maintain correspondence with the previous owners who sailed Annie for 16 years...and they maintain contact with the original owner.  I email them from time to time with pictures of the boat and us frolicking.    When I sail into Le Marin and talk to Alban at the Amel service center, he knows the boat and maintains a record of  the entire history of the vessel.  Every time I come back he asks me what I have done with the boat since we last met.  Remember now this is a 30 year old vessel ...and he still maintains a file on her.  The Amel community is very engaging and attentive.

Well my email is getting too long.  In closing , yes you are making an excellent choice to consider Amel.  The SM was made without significant changes for 16 years.  It is a proven design and to date none have ever been lost at sea.   Also, by now probably most have circumnavigated.  Find that in any other brand.    There are a ton of resources and people to support you should you buy an Amel.  In addition to Joel Potter, I suggest you speak to Bill Rouse who runs this Group and also an Amel yacht centric consulting business.  He is an invaluable resource now and when you are ready to purchase.  

      Regards,  John Clark
SV Annie  SM 37
Brunswick GA




On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:43 AM Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.


Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

ngtnewington Newington
 

I would check the mixing elbow for carbon build up. Take it off and chip out the build up. Then check the whole exhaust system. Pretty sure that low load running ie battery charging will cause this build up.
Nick
Amelia in the Ionian
AML 54-019


On 22 Aug 2019, at 16:58, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Hello Jose.
We had similar carbon discharge from the Onan during spring start up, powder as well as chunks of carbon. Ultimately the Onan would not start. Opening up the exhaust mixing elbow revealed huge carbon buildup leaving only about 1 cm diameter air passage for the exhaust. Not at all uncommon when marine diesels are not run periodically under high load. That would be the first place I would look.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Chesapeake


On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

Can you give more information? Is it when you start the Onan or all the time? Is it oily or carbon? What model Onan and boat is this on? How you done anything to troubleshoot and if so what were your findings?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Alegria
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

 

Dear AMEL Group / Owners
I appreciate your ideas about the reason I have black water comes from my onan 11 raw water exhaust hose 
And from exhaust fumes too  ( less quantity )
The Onan was 1200 hours and was serviced at 100 hours
Thanks in advance

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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

John Clark
 

I concur. 


On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:34 AM Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:

The first and best step to buy an amel is not to save the cost for an appraiser who is really familiar with Amel 

( atlantic Yachtservey oliver Beteue Group Member) 

You will learn more about an Amel in 2 days than you find out in 5 years alone. 

Maintenance is not more expensive ( SM ) than with other ships of this size, and Amel still has the important parts for the SM in stock. 

In addition, this group helps to find bugs quickly and gives advice to repair them. 

we have our SM BJ 1998 now 5 years and had no special problems. 

Let's get a pump for the climate situation times the AP but these are things that happen to you on every ship at the age of 20 


Greetings SM Balu s. 222


Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

John Clark
 

Hello Orion,
    Welcome to the group.   To go straight to your question;  no,  Amels are not more expensive than other yachts in a similar class. (I can speak authoritatively for Super Maramus and Santorins)    Yes they are quirky....but in a functional way that you will appreciate.  My experience with my SM, Annie, a 1990 model has been entirely positive.  Yes some stuff breaks, but I don't think I have spent any real money on "broken" items.  I did update the electronics, add a second autopilot and solar arch. Those cost a bit, but I consider them wants not needs.   My insurance wanted the standing rig updated so I had it replaced after I purchased the vessel, cost would be the same for any vessel in the same class. 
  I probably could have done none of the above and still had a near perfect sailing yacht.    My equipment failure list in the last three years and 13000 NM sailing is a bilge pump(Amel rebuild kit $100) SW impeller on main engine...failed and melted the muffler(most SMs have a SS muffler I had plastic) repair cost $34 + $300, genoa sail seam split at top of sail 2x, cost about $150 to repair each time, mainsail furler gears ($23 for gears $70 for machine shop to get the old gear out.), frig compressor, replaced with off the shelf bolt in upgrade($800).   Generator SW impeller ($34)  My boat came with set of spare sails so no down time. Most recently the genoa sheet car failed. Replacement cost is between $125(Ebay) and $450(Antal) for a replacement.  Not too bad for three years and near constant sailing. 

My Amel Journey:
I planned for my "big boat" purchase for several years before committing.   I remember I had read about Amels at one point.  The author thought they were innovative, but too complicated to be practical...so I didn't pursue them further.  But I know now that God and Henri have mysterious ways.  Years later on one particular afternoon I took a friend to the hospital for an outpatient procedure.  I had a couple of hours to kill while waiting and went for a walk at the local marina.  There I saw a strikingly beautiful boat. ...you know the saying  "one look is all it took."  I looked up the boat, she was an Amel 64...priced in the "double digits" at the time...you know price is 1.5M .  No I could not afford that Amel, but it completely rearranged my view of the brand  stuck in my head. 

A year or two later I was zeroing in on buying an Irwin 68 when just like you I too discovered SV Delos on YouTube.  Looking at Delos I thought wow that is one cool boat....didn't pick up on it being an Amel for a little while.  I think it was some episode where Brian was recounting discovering Delos where I realized what Delos was..  Like me he said he was hooked at the first glance.  I started researching the brand with more diligence and became really impressed.   Just like you, I joined the Amel Owners Forum as it was called at the time, and was referred to a fellow named Joel Potter. He was the Amel dealer/broker for North America.  I called him and we talked for over two hours.  He did not have an Amel that met my price point but still gave me hours of advice and pointers on what to look for.  He even gave me inside info on Amel's I was interested in...he is a resource and a really good guy to talk to.  

The first Amel I saw in the flesh was in Virginia.  I had already arranged to look at an SM in Portugal but my GF at the time thought I was crazy to think about flying to the EU and buying a boat I had never seen.  We found a boat for sale in VA that was priced too high for me but was in brokerage and available to visit. We took a weekend and drove up to look at it.  Needless to say the GF was blown away...me I was just saying yes...this is what I want. The boat was in OK condition but had a few issues.  It wasn't the right one for me BUT it confirmed everything I thought I knew about Amels.  That weekend we looked at Passports, Island Packets, Freedoms, a Manson, a Cabo, a couple of Hans Christians, and....yes a Beneteau.   Nothing compared to that Amel. The very nice broker who gave us the boat show saw our feelings and admitted to us...once you see the Amel you are done.  
So my advice:   Like you, I somewhat superficially fixated on the Delos model, the SM2K.  They were made from 1999 to 2005.  Amel started making Super Maramus in 1989.   I would not restrict myself to considering just the later years.  I got a good deal on Annie...the previous owner's offered price made me take a look at her even though she was an older SM, and at the time not in my window of consideration.  She was perfect.  Now after a few years and hanging out with other SM owners most with newer models, I am actually happy that I bought Annie and not a newer SM.  She retains more of the expedition yacht features than the later SMs and in my opinion has more character inside....wood floors, ceiling trim boards, older more robust furling mechanisms...and some cool sailing history.  

That is another thing you get with an Amel.  You are the custodian/care taker of the boat as much as you are the owner.  I still maintain correspondence with the previous owners who sailed Annie for 16 years...and they maintain contact with the original owner.  I email them from time to time with pictures of the boat and us frolicking.    When I sail into Le Marin and talk to Alban at the Amel service center, he knows the boat and maintains a record of  the entire history of the vessel.  Every time I come back he asks me what I have done with the boat since we last met.  Remember now this is a 30 year old vessel ...and he still maintains a file on her.  The Amel community is very engaging and attentive.

Well my email is getting too long.  In closing , yes you are making an excellent choice to consider Amel.  The SM was made without significant changes for 16 years.  It is a proven design and to date none have ever been lost at sea.   Also, by now probably most have circumnavigated.  Find that in any other brand.    There are a ton of resources and people to support you should you buy an Amel.  In addition to Joel Potter, I suggest you speak to Bill Rouse who runs this Group and also an Amel yacht centric consulting business.  He is an invaluable resource now and when you are ready to purchase.  

      Regards,  John Clark
SV Annie  SM 37
Brunswick GA




On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:43 AM Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.


Re: start stop engine

Gerhard Mueller
 

Elja
I have printed out and given him the wire diagrams of his Yanmar engine.
I guess he has switched off the starter switch and so the stop switch has no current anymore.
At last that shows the diagrams.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Paul Brown
 

Hello, I am an owner of an Amel 55 2013 for the last 16 months and previously for the last 16 years owned 4 other larger boats. All boats can be expensive to maintain and have a basic maintenance requirement. Amel from my experience is an extremely well founded and produced boat, better than most and certainly one of the best all time blue water cruisers. If you were to buy, in my opinion a well maintained, free of issues and well loved Amel SM 54 or 55 you would enjoy its performance and simply need to keep her loved and well maintained. Use an excellent surveyor that knows Amel as a specialty 

Best regards, Paul - Fortuna II 55#17


On 22 Aug 2019, at 5:45 am, Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:

Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.


Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

Mike Ondra
 

Hello Jose.
We had similar carbon discharge from the Onan during spring start up, powder as well as chunks of carbon. Ultimately the Onan would not start. Opening up the exhaust mixing elbow revealed huge carbon buildup leaving only about 1 cm diameter air passage for the exhaust. Not at all uncommon when marine diesels are not run periodically under high load. That would be the first place I would look.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Chesapeake


On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

Can you give more information? Is it when you start the Onan or all the time? Is it oily or carbon? What model Onan and boat is this on? How you done anything to troubleshoot and if so what were your findings?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Alegria
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

 

Dear AMEL Group / Owners
I appreciate your ideas about the reason I have black water comes from my onan 11 raw water exhaust hose 
And from exhaust fumes too  ( less quantity )
The Onan was 1200 hours and was serviced at 100 hours
Thanks in advance

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Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Scott SV Tengah
 

My old outhaul gearbox came with greasing points and it looked like it was that way from the manufacturer. Unfortunately, the bulbous cover that encapsulates the outhaul gearbox and motor is riveted on, so it's not designed for you to remove and service it. By the time I opened it, it was too late. I see that some of the older 54s have the outhaul gearbox/motor exposed, similar to the SMs. 

When I replaced the bulbous cover, I made two changes:

1) Drilled a few holes in the bottom so that water could drain out. Even if the cover is waterproof, water will enter from the vertical drive shaft and there isn't a way for it to get out. It became a saltwater bathtub.

2) Rather than use rivets, I got some tef-gel, liberally coated some stainless screws and screwed the cover back on. I know stainless screws on the aluminum boom isn't ideal, but I've been monitoring it and it seems the tef-gel is doing its job.

FYI, my new gearbox was not painted. That is, unless they painted it metal colored? :) And as I mentioned, it appears to be sealed and filled with gear oil.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

Mark Erdos
 

Jose,

 

Can you give more information? Is it when you start the Onan or all the time? Is it oily or carbon? What model Onan and boat is this on? How you done anything to troubleshoot and if so what were your findings?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Alegria
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose

 

Dear AMEL Group / Owners
I appreciate your ideas about the reason I have black water comes from my onan 11 raw water exhaust hose 
And from exhaust fumes too  ( less quantity )
The Onan was 1200 hours and was serviced at 100 hours
Thanks in advance

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