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Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Barry Connor
 

Hi Mohammad,

I changed mine last year whilst in Albania, the worm gear inside the gear box stripped when we were in Croatia. Amel Hyeres sent me a complete new gear box and I followed the forum post instructions by Alexandre to remove the old box. I could not get anyone to help me until I got to Albania, couple of trawler mechanics who understood about using a jack braced on the deck to push the drive pin out which was really seized into the box.
The old box was still full of the original grease so no need to service your new box. The old box had a good paint job/powder coating, the new box has a poor quality paint finish.
Whilst here in Antibes I am getting a paint mixed and then getting some spray can attachments to touch up all my small spots on the mast and boom that have started to bubble. I will also re-paint the boom gear box - sealer then primer and then top coat.
I am collecting this painting gear this later today and will send you the details.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel. 54. #17
Antibes,  France

On Thursday, August 22, 2019, 3:16:42 PM GMT+2, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Thanks Olivier for you very clear explanation.

Possibly the worm and bronze gears inside the gearbox are jammed for two reasons:

The bronze gear is very worn...AND...the helmsperson jammed the outhaul car against the track end-stop. I am fairly sure that you will need a gearbox overhaul or replacement, but you might try removing the end-stop to reduce the jammed pressure on the gears. Be careful not to operate the car too far forward, jamming it against the stop, or beyond the stop. With a worn bronze gear, this jamming will lock the gearbox. I have seen this happen on 54s and even a 2 year old 55. Be especially cautious with new crew as they will almost always misuse/abuse this. 

SM owners may not understand this, but most of this issue is because of a change in gearboxes and motors which is sleeker and better looking, but apparently doesn't take the accidental misuse/abuse that a SM  will take. But, of course, I have also seen accidental misuse kill a SM gearbox. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 3:40 AM Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Stefan,

the 100A fuse is a back-up when the power limiting Printed Circuit Board (what you call the Protector) is out of order. In order to connect this fuse, you need to remove both wires from the PCB (just pulling down) and connect them to the 100A fuse.

There seems to be a mechanic problem in the boom gear-box. And therefore, the PCB allows the motor to run for a few seconds, then cuts off power because of too high amperage (that's what it's designed for).
If you connect the back-up fuse, you may blow it within some seconds too because the mechanic resistance is too high, making the amperage rise above 100 A (you may also burn the wires too!!).

It seems that you need to take down the gear-box and open it to check the worm gear and the bronze "teeth wheel".
If you can't find a good skilled mechanic where you are, you may think of just replacing the gear-box (I don't like when you say the shaft went out of the gear-box...).

Good luck and remember to never hit the track end stopper with the traveller. This definitely kills the gear-box after several knocks.


Olivier


Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

The first and best step to buy an amel is not to save the cost for an appraiser who is really familiar with Amel 

( atlantic Yachtservey oliver Beteue Group Member) 

You will learn more about an Amel in 2 days than you find out in 5 years alone. 

Maintenance is not more expensive ( SM ) than with other ships of this size, and Amel still has the important parts for the SM in stock. 

In addition, this group helps to find bugs quickly and gives advice to repair them. 

we have our SM BJ 1998 now 5 years and had no special problems. 

Let's get a pump for the climate situation times the AP but these are things that happen to you on every ship at the age of 20 


Greetings SM Balu s. 222


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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Mark Erdos
 

Orion,

 

I think you will find the cost and maintenance on Amel boats to be considerably less than others, especially those you mention, Moody and Oyster. When reading this forum, a person needs to keep in mind there are over 1,000 participants and for the most part very few serious complaints about our vessels. All boats will break. The question you should ask yourself is how easy it is to fix. A stand up engine room with access to all sides of both the engine and genset, access to all electronics and steering components, a bow-thruster than can be service while the vessel in the water, a sea-chest to minimize through-hulls and watertight compartments are some of the features that make Amel such attractive boats for serious world cruisers. In addition, the support we receive from Amel for parts is second to none. They are a first-class operation.

 

Perhaps you should research further. For example, take a look at the Pacific Puddle Jump recaps. http://www.pacificpuddlejump.com/articles.html They list all the boats and the things that broke during the ocean crossing. An example of an Oyster: failures of Autohelm; seacock; spin pole track; waterpump; mainsail clew shackle failed. Three of these are pretty serious.

 

High cost of maintenance is a given for ALL boats. They are expensive high maintenance divas. Bill Rouse posted an entire budget for a 10 year circumnavigation on his Amel documenting every penny spent. I challenge you to find any other brand of vessel on a 10-year voyage that was meticulously maintained for an average of $9,000 per year. http://svbebe.blogspot.com/p/costs.html

 

I really do not understand how you are coming to the conclusion Amel boats have higher cost of maintenance and downtime.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Orion Martin
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:45 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

 

Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

 

Thanks Olivier for you very clear explanation.

Possibly the worm and bronze gears inside the gearbox are jammed for two reasons:

The bronze gear is very worn...AND...the helmsperson jammed the outhaul car against the track end-stop. I am fairly sure that you will need a gearbox overhaul or replacement, but you might try removing the end-stop to reduce the jammed pressure on the gears. Be careful not to operate the car too far forward, jamming it against the stop, or beyond the stop. With a worn bronze gear, this jamming will lock the gearbox. I have seen this happen on 54s and even a 2 year old 55. Be especially cautious with new crew as they will almost always misuse/abuse this. 

SM owners may not understand this, but most of this issue is because of a change in gearboxes and motors which is sleeker and better looking, but apparently doesn't take the accidental misuse/abuse that a SM  will take. But, of course, I have also seen accidental misuse kill a SM gearbox. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 3:40 AM Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Stefan,

the 100A fuse is a back-up when the power limiting Printed Circuit Board (what you call the Protector) is out of order. In order to connect this fuse, you need to remove both wires from the PCB (just pulling down) and connect them to the 100A fuse.

There seems to be a mechanic problem in the boom gear-box. And therefore, the PCB allows the motor to run for a few seconds, then cuts off power because of too high amperage (that's what it's designed for).
If you connect the back-up fuse, you may blow it within some seconds too because the mechanic resistance is too high, making the amperage rise above 100 A (you may also burn the wires too!!).

It seems that you need to take down the gear-box and open it to check the worm gear and the bronze "teeth wheel".
If you can't find a good skilled mechanic where you are, you may think of just replacing the gear-box (I don't like when you say the shaft went out of the gear-box...).

Good luck and remember to never hit the track end stopper with the traveller. This definitely kills the gear-box after several knocks.


Olivier


Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Ian Park
 

Hi and welcome to the group.

Yes, reading the posts gives the impression that AMELs are a constant maintenance boat.
Not true. It is just the helpful nature of this particular group that folk feel they always get instant first class help if a problem occurs or a maintenance job comes up they haven’t attempted themselves before.
Others will give you the same advice, when choosing an Amel get someone who really knows the boat to survey it. (I didn’t but have been lucky).
Yes, the boat is very different to other boats so owners do ask a lot of questions.
I looked at an Oyster 435 before got my Santorin. I’ve got much the better boat.
You will spend at least two years really getting to know the systems, but then a good annual maintenance schedule will give you the ultimate short handed ocean cruiser around (personal opinion after 5 years ownership).

Best of luck with your plans


Re: start stop engine

 

Find the red lever on the port side of the engine. Manually turn it until engine stops. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 6:11 AM Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:
Hallo Gerhard
Maby you can help ouer frend he is in Kalamata Marina peer B Nr 9 ore so the SM 2000
Best Elja
SM Balu
222 peer B 11

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Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Orion Martin
 

Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.

I am currently toying with the idea of purchasing an Amel Super Maramu or Santorin within the next two years. Longing to embark on a circumnavigation, I have researched various bluewater vessels looking at characteristics such as comfort, safety etc. Having come across Sailing SV Delos on Youtube, this was the first time I had ever seen an Amel yacht. At first I thought the Amel Super Maramu was rather quirky, particularly the interior. However, after much research and looking at video, photos etc, I am now utterly enthralled with Amel yachts and think it is the perfect brand to travel the world with.

There is one thing that I noticed from the Delos videos, and subsequently online postings and literature pertaining to the upkeep of Amel yachts is the amount of maintenance and the subsequently high cost of such maintenance. I have minimal experience with yachts from a technical point of view, however I was curious to know whether current Amel yacht owners consider their boats to be more maintenance intensive and costly especially compared with other previous yachts they may have owned. Granted, the Amel has a lot more gadgetry (is that the right word?) than what I have seen compared with a Moody or Oyster. Does the preventative maintenance regime required to keep Amel yachts in good shape mitigate costs as much as it would say with a comparable boat? Or is it by its very nature that the satisfaction of owning an Amel comes at a cost compared with similar blue water vessels?

I love the Amel Super Maramu and the Amel 54, and I have been caught in the cult of Amel as they say. But I was curious as to what current Amel owners think about their relationship with their vessels regarding costs and downtime. I figure that owning a Super Maramu would bring me a lot of joy, but also a lot of headaches in particular if I am to do a circumnavigation. Any opinions and comments regarding this subject warmly welcomed.


Re: KVH TracPhone V3 for sale

Massimo Vecchietti
 

Look the offer of IRIDIUM GO  from Predict Wind
Max

Il Lun 19 Ago 2019, 08:25 Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> ha scritto:

Hi all,

 

I’m looking at changing my KVH TracPhone V3 for an Iridium system. If anyone is interested in taking the KVH please contact me on paul dot dowd at fgps.com.

 

I am also looking for recommendations for an Iridium system for general internet access and voice. The boat is currently in Grenada.

 

Cheers,

Paul

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Wintering location Adriatic

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Craig. I’ll look into it.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On Aug 22, 2019, at 12:29 PM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Greetings Mohammad & Aty,
Nautec Mare in Montfalcone is excellent. Totally protected up the river, nearby airport and high quality work of any type you may need.
Best regards, Craig


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Is there is a routine maintenance schedule required/recommended for the outhaul/furler gear boxes? If so, I would appreciate some info on interval and procedure.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099

On Aug 22, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Stephen the most difficult part of changing the Gear box is getting the old one off you MUST have a GOOD gear puller with multiple 'teeth' to get a hold of the old box it is in a difficult position.  I believe there is a detailed description and instructions on how and what you need in Bill's manual.  It took me hours to get if off without the proper tools no fun at all.  Everything else was easy.  Good luck and yes you do NOT use the spacer.
Cheers
Courtney
'Trippin'
54 #101 
Grenada


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Schaufert <mail@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 6:17 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Dear Craig, dear Scott, dear Olivier,

thx a lot for all your fast responses, thoughts and hints, specially to you Olivier, for explaining the 100A fuses.
I already wrote to Maud and hope she will give me a fast response.
The next mechanic I will meet in 2.5 weeks. I will let him check the (old) gear box.

Best regards to all 
Stefan
A 54 N°119 Lady Charlyette, currently Leixos/ Porto


Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Bill,

For your information the kit is very very  easy to make by your self, for only some dollars ...

I buy the seals for over 10 years at 123roulements with prices and delivering time that I found very pleasant ...

Bill, "tout est possible dans un monde infini...." (all is possible in an infinite world ....)

Fair Wind


Le 21/08/2019 à 16:59, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :

Jean Luc,

The Amel 55 C-Drive Propeller Shaft Wear Bushing and Seal Kit. I am 100% positive that you can get this only at Amel.
image.png
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:46 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Bill,

About what for C-drive seals you are speeking ?

Jean Luc


Le 21/08/2019 à 15:11, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Paul,

I think that  www.123roulement.com is a good company, but I am 99% sure that they will NOT have the Amel-made wear bushing. They may have seals that fit, but to ensure you are getting the best seal for the job, don't try to save a few euros.

My advice is to purchase the wear bushing and seals from Amel only. The 55 has a larger output shaft and thus larger wear bushing and seals than the SM & 54. The procedure is also different. Email sav"at"amel.fr. Ask for the complete kit and also ask for instructions. The last time someone asked for instructions, Amel sent them instructions for SM & 54. Hopefully that has changed.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:53 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
hello all, I’m inquiring please  for assistance to where I can purchase the Cdrive seal kit and at what estimated price? Can this only be purchased through Amel or is it a standard product from a distributor or manufacturer?

thank you for your time 

regards paul - Fortuna II 55#17

Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Courtney Gorman
 

Stephen the most difficult part of changing the Gear box is getting the old one off you MUST have a GOOD gear puller with multiple 'teeth' to get a hold of the old box it is in a difficult position.  I believe there is a detailed description and instructions on how and what you need in Bill's manual.  It took me hours to get if off without the proper tools no fun at all.  Everything else was easy.  Good luck and yes you do NOT use the spacer.
Cheers
Courtney
'Trippin'
54 #101 
Grenada


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Schaufert <mail@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 6:17 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Dear Craig, dear Scott, dear Olivier,

thx a lot for all your fast responses, thoughts and hints, specially to you Olivier, for explaining the 100A fuses.
I already wrote to Maud and hope she will give me a fast response.
The next mechanic I will meet in 2.5 weeks. I will let him check the (old) gear box.

Best regards to all 
Stefan
A 54 N°119 Lady Charlyette, currently Leixos/ Porto


Re: start stop engine

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Hallo Gerhard
Maby you can help ouer frend he is in Kalamata Marina peer B Nr 9 ore so the SM 2000
Best Elja
SM Balu
222 peer B 11

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Re: start stop engine

Gerhard Mueller
 

Goto to the Yanmar manual: https://www.yanmarmarine.com/theme/yanmarportal/uploadedFiles/Marine/productDownloads/Leisure-Previous-Models/Operation-Manuals/4JH3-T-series-OP-Manual-ENG.pdf
At page 52 and the following pages you will find the wiring diagrams. I do not see a relay there.
If you want I can visit you and check your engine. I am at berth A14 Kalamata.

Regards Gerhard
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Craig Briggs
 

Yes, Stefan, glad that Olivier replied about the PCB providing the safety shutdown you mentioned, that I wasn't aware of.
Sounds like you're on the right path to getting this fixed. 
Craig


Re: Wintering location Adriatic

Craig Briggs
 

Greetings Mohammad & Aty,
Nautec Mare in Montfalcone is excellent. Totally protected up the river, nearby airport and high quality work of any type you may need.
Best regards, Craig


Re: Main sail Outhaul motor/gearbox failed A54

Stefan Schaufert
 

Dear Craig, dear Scott, dear Olivier,

thx a lot for all your fast responses, thoughts and hints, specially to you Olivier, for explaining the 100A fuses.
I already wrote to Maud and hope she will give me a fast response.
The next mechanic I will meet in 2.5 weeks. I will let him check the (old) gear box.

Best regards to all 
Stefan
A 54 N°119 Lady Charlyette, currently Leixos/ Porto


Re: start stop engine

Sebti Lamya
 

Hi to All,

These are the pictures of the two relays that seem causing the problem.

Noreddine and Lamya Sebti

SV Alma Libre, SM 370, Greece, Kalamata


Re: start stop engine

Sebti Lamya
 

Hi to All,

My boat is a SM , hull number 370 from 2002. the engine is a Yanmar 4JH3-HTE. I am actually in Greece, Kalamata Marina.

Regards.

Noreddine Sebti
Name of boat : Alma Libre


Re: start stop engine

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Lamya,

Welcome to this forum; you should receive a reply soon.... but how can anyone give you good advice with the information you shared? No boat model, engine... 

This site is private and new members are vested by Moderators before inclusion.  Members normally add name, type of Amel (Eros, Mango etc) and hull number.  Most people will include their location.

Welcome!

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Fiji


On 22 Aug 2019, at 20:32, Sebti Lamya <noreddine.sebti@...> wrote:

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.