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Re: I'm going to the Annapolis Boat Show - anyone want SM bow thruster lip seals (free)?

Gary Wells
 

We'll be at the show for sure!
.
.
I need to.double/triple check but I think I got a.setmofmseals.from.Maude last time that were 29mm ID instead of 30.  Might be  the that tightening up seal.on the shaft helps a bit with preventing water ingress.

I'll look at my spares later today.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Halifax, NS


Re: Heading S from the Chesapeake

karkauai
 

Definitely!  Are you having work done in Trinidad?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 23, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Hope to see you all as Kim and I make our way North from Trinidad in November. It's been a bit since St. Michaels. Tune into the Coconut Telegraph when you get settled in and we will connect from there. 
All the best 
Chuck and Kim 
Joy 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 6:00 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ah, too bad.  Now you’ve got us thinking of going to Bermuda again.  Iris hasn’t been since she was a kid.   Hmmm, we may get back to you in this.
K&I

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Aug 23, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

Hi Kent, I will be heading to Bermuda first so that cuts me out sorry.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 5:25:32 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Heading S from the Chesapeake
 
Alan/Mark,
We are also heading S in Nov, first to St Augustine, then meeting friends in Bahamas for a few weeks, then working our way down to Martinique.  Are you going outside straight to Martinique?  If staying W of the Stream we might head out with you.

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 23, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

I had a bit of corrosion at the mast base but not bad. I replaced the pads from Maud, expensive little suckers, $280 for the pair. I don’t think I really needed to do that as there is not really anyway for the water to get between the mast base and the pad. Those drain holes you see are the top side of a plate welded into the base of the mast so that there is no way for water to go anywhere else but out those holes..
I will be leaving as soon as the rugby World Cup is over which I think the final is Nov 2nd so absolutely let’s keep in touch, probably head down in company.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:21:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 

Thanks Alan.

Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well.

We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height.

I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board.

We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong.
I watched a boat in Ft Lauderdale get there rigging replaced in the slip and if that's all you are doing then I would have no concerns doing that but for us we had a lot of extras to do.
One of the main reasons we did the rigging now and not wait till Martinique was we were getting a lot of mast pumping and could not get rid of it. Once the riggers had tuned it the pumping was even worse and they had no solution to it even after I had shown them the tuning write up so I loosened everything off and followed the directions explicitly and what do you know no more pumping. I'm sure it's not tight enough but I hope to bump into some SM's shortly and check tension with them and we still plan on heading direct to Martinique in Nov.
Acmo rigging was just as advertised, perfect.
Price for the crane was about $600 each way and all the riggers did was remove and replace the masts and do their tune.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis


From: main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 12:47:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 


Re: Insurance in Europe

karkauai
 

We’ve had the Jackline policy through IMIS, recently bought out by Gowrie group. I’ve dealt with the same contact there since before Gowrie took over. We haven’t had a claim, and haven’t asked about coverage in the Med, but they have been easy to deal with in every regard. Iris now insures her 100 year old wooden catboat with them as well.

It won’t hurt to contact them...
Rachel Sloan
(410) 364-7707
rachel.imis@...

Good luck, stay safe, and have fun with Speed of Life. And don’t sign off as S.O.L. ;-)>

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 23, 2019, at 6:48 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,

I used Y Yachts when I was in EU. Their rates went up almost 25% this year, so I’ve changed to a NZ based insurer.

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera SM 007, Fiji
On 24 Aug 2019, at 10:24, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,
We are taking delivery of our new 50, Speed of Life, soon, and are shopping for insurance.
We will be US-flagged, but sailing, La Rochelle to Gibraltar, then throughout the Med.
We’re looking for great service, over lowest rates.
We have 3 or 4 quotes, so far.
We have been warned to avoid Pantaenius USA (different company than Pantaenius UK, who won’t insure us). Y-Yacht also won’t cover a US flagged vessel.
We do have a quote from Topsail (Global Yacht Cover) that is a bit high, but has good reviews.
Can anyone make a recommendation?
We value a company that will work hard to make us whole after a claim, vs one that works equally hard to deny a claim.
BTW, we have not had a claim in 32 years of boat ownership.
Thanks in Advance,

Cindy and Matt
Amel 50
S/V Speed of Life



Re: I'm going to the Annapolis Boat Show - anyone want SM bow thruster lip seals (free)?

Mike Ondra
 

I got chased out of the Academy Anchorage area by the Dockmaster a few weeks ago. Apparently theiy are discouraging anchoring right off the bulkhead. Wound up anchoring at Back Creek where there’s opportunities both outside and inside the creek.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay


On Aug 23, 2019, at 7:59 PM, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> wrote:

Patrick,

They're yours, just remember to private message me around the time of the show. We are coming from Norfolk area.

Our intent was to anchor at Back Creek, but would you suggest in front of the Academy? We can arrive a week prior to the show, too.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Heading S from the Chesapeake

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hope to see you all as Kim and I make our way North from Trinidad in November. It's been a bit since St. Michaels. Tune into the Coconut Telegraph when you get settled in and we will connect from there. 
All the best 
Chuck and Kim 
Joy 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 6:00 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ah, too bad.  Now you’ve got us thinking of going to Bermuda again.  Iris hasn’t been since she was a kid.   Hmmm, we may get back to you in this.
K&I

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Aug 23, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

Hi Kent, I will be heading to Bermuda first so that cuts me out sorry.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 5:25:32 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Heading S from the Chesapeake
 
Alan/Mark,
We are also heading S in Nov, first to St Augustine, then meeting friends in Bahamas for a few weeks, then working our way down to Martinique.  Are you going outside straight to Martinique?  If staying W of the Stream we might head out with you.

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 23, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

I had a bit of corrosion at the mast base but not bad. I replaced the pads from Maud, expensive little suckers, $280 for the pair. I don’t think I really needed to do that as there is not really anyway for the water to get between the mast base and the pad. Those drain holes you see are the top side of a plate welded into the base of the mast so that there is no way for water to go anywhere else but out those holes..
I will be leaving as soon as the rugby World Cup is over which I think the final is Nov 2nd so absolutely let’s keep in touch, probably head down in company.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:21:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 

Thanks Alan.

Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well.

We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height.

I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board.

We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong.
I watched a boat in Ft Lauderdale get there rigging replaced in the slip and if that's all you are doing then I would have no concerns doing that but for us we had a lot of extras to do.
One of the main reasons we did the rigging now and not wait till Martinique was we were getting a lot of mast pumping and could not get rid of it. Once the riggers had tuned it the pumping was even worse and they had no solution to it even after I had shown them the tuning write up so I loosened everything off and followed the directions explicitly and what do you know no more pumping. I'm sure it's not tight enough but I hope to bump into some SM's shortly and check tension with them and we still plan on heading direct to Martinique in Nov.
Acmo rigging was just as advertised, perfect.
Price for the crane was about $600 each way and all the riggers did was remove and replace the masts and do their tune.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis


From: main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 12:47:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 


Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Good article, thanks Alan. Yes, we are across this and delayed our departure till tomorrow now. We are hoping that this has blow a little south of our direct track to Savasavu by then.


On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 12:17 PM Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
Well said Colin,

Are you in Vava'au ?

Heading for Fiji, hopefully you know about this :
https://www.noonsite.com/news/south-pacific-tonga-to-fiji-navigation-alert-dangerous-slick-of-volcanic-rubble/

All the best
Alan
Elyse SM437



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: Heading S from the Chesapeake

karkauai
 

Ah, too bad.  Now you’ve got us thinking of going to Bermuda again.  Iris hasn’t been since she was a kid.   Hmmm, we may get back to you in this.
K&I

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Aug 23, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

Hi Kent, I will be heading to Bermuda first so that cuts me out sorry.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 5:25:32 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Heading S from the Chesapeake
 
Alan/Mark,
We are also heading S in Nov, first to St Augustine, then meeting friends in Bahamas for a few weeks, then working our way down to Martinique.  Are you going outside straight to Martinique?  If staying W of the Stream we might head out with you.

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 23, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

I had a bit of corrosion at the mast base but not bad. I replaced the pads from Maud, expensive little suckers, $280 for the pair. I don’t think I really needed to do that as there is not really anyway for the water to get between the mast base and the pad. Those drain holes you see are the top side of a plate welded into the base of the mast so that there is no way for water to go anywhere else but out those holes..
I will be leaving as soon as the rugby World Cup is over which I think the final is Nov 2nd so absolutely let’s keep in touch, probably head down in company.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:21:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 

Thanks Alan.

Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well.

We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height.

I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board.

We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong.
I watched a boat in Ft Lauderdale get there rigging replaced in the slip and if that's all you are doing then I would have no concerns doing that but for us we had a lot of extras to do.
One of the main reasons we did the rigging now and not wait till Martinique was we were getting a lot of mast pumping and could not get rid of it. Once the riggers had tuned it the pumping was even worse and they had no solution to it even after I had shown them the tuning write up so I loosened everything off and followed the directions explicitly and what do you know no more pumping. I'm sure it's not tight enough but I hope to bump into some SM's shortly and check tension with them and we still plan on heading direct to Martinique in Nov.
Acmo rigging was just as advertised, perfect.
Price for the crane was about $600 each way and all the riggers did was remove and replace the masts and do their tune.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis


From: main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 12:47:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 


Re: I'm going to the Annapolis Boat Show - anyone want SM bow thruster lip seals (free)?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Patrick,

They're yours, just remember to private message me around the time of the show. We are coming from Norfolk area.

Our intent was to anchor at Back Creek, but would you suggest in front of the Academy? We can arrive a week prior to the show, too.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Alan Leslie
 

Well said Colin,

Are you in Vava'au ?

Heading for Fiji, hopefully you know about this :
https://www.noonsite.com/news/south-pacific-tonga-to-fiji-navigation-alert-dangerous-slick-of-volcanic-rubble/

All the best
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Insurance in Europe

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Matt,

I used Y Yachts when I was in EU. Their rates went up almost 25% this year, so I’ve changed to a NZ based insurer.

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera SM 007, Fiji
Sent from my iPad

On 24 Aug 2019, at 10:24, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,
We are taking delivery of our new 50, Speed of Life, soon, and are shopping for insurance.
We will be US-flagged, but sailing, La Rochelle to Gibraltar, then throughout the Med.
We’re looking for great service, over lowest rates.
We have 3 or 4 quotes, so far.
We have been warned to avoid Pantaenius USA (different company than Pantaenius UK, who won’t insure us). Y-Yacht also won’t cover a US flagged vessel.
We do have a quote from Topsail (Global Yacht Cover) that is a bit high, but has good reviews.
Can anyone make a recommendation?
We value a company that will work hard to make us whole after a claim, vs one that works equally hard to deny a claim.
BTW, we have not had a claim in 32 years of boat ownership.
Thanks in Advance,

Cindy and Matt
Amel 50
S/V Speed of Life



Re: Insurance in Europe

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Cindy and Matt,

We went through this exercise a few months ago when we moved away from Pantaenius USA. We are BVI flagged and settled with Y-Yacht. I was very impressed with Y-Yacht. I was also impressed with a USA company called Novamar. They are an A-Rated company and have a very good reputation with full time cruisers in the Pacific and Caribbean. I do not know about their coverage for Europe but it's worth asking. We used a USA Broker who underwrites a lot of their policies:

Chris Boome Insurance Agency
LIC# 0A99058
751 Laurel Street #216
San Carlos, CA 94070
O: 650-517-3160 C: 650-464-0728
WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM
E-mail: chris@...


Another company who was also recommended has a bit of a branding problem as they have three names: IMIS - Jackline - Growrie. I understand the company has recently merged and may not be the same company as others who are recommending it think it is. I found them extremely rude and their demands from us prior to a quote were very unrealistic. I did not get a quote and walked away. But, other sailors swear they are great. Perhaps it was the person I was dealing with, who knows. But it might be worth it for you to follow up with them. Hopefully your experience will be better:

https://www.gowrie.com/Marine-Insurance/IMIS.aspx

Hope this helps a bit.


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
www.creampuff.us

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 6:25 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance in Europe

Hi All,
We are taking delivery of our new 50, Speed of Life, soon, and are shopping for insurance.
We will be US-flagged, but sailing, La Rochelle to Gibraltar, then throughout the Med.
We’re looking for great service, over lowest rates.
We have 3 or 4 quotes, so far.
We have been warned to avoid Pantaenius USA (different company than Pantaenius UK, who won’t insure us). Y-Yacht also won’t cover a US flagged vessel.
We do have a quote from Topsail (Global Yacht Cover) that is a bit high, but has good reviews.
Can anyone make a recommendation?
We value a company that will work hard to make us whole after a claim, vs one that works equally hard to deny a claim.
BTW, we have not had a claim in 32 years of boat ownership.
Thanks in Advance,

Cindy and Matt
Amel 50
S/V Speed of Life


Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Hi All,
We are taking delivery of our new 50, Speed of Life, soon, and are shopping for insurance.
We will be US-flagged, but sailing, La Rochelle to Gibraltar, then throughout the Med.
We’re looking for great service, over lowest rates.
We have 3 or 4 quotes, so far.
We have been warned to avoid Pantaenius USA (different company than Pantaenius UK, who won’t insure us). Y-Yacht also won’t cover a US flagged vessel.
We do have a quote from Topsail (Global Yacht Cover) that is a bit high, but has good reviews.
Can anyone make a recommendation?
We value a company that will work hard to make us whole after a claim, vs one that works equally hard to deny a claim.
BTW, we have not had a claim in 32 years of boat ownership.
Thanks in Advance,

Cindy and Matt
Amel 50
S/V Speed of Life


Re: Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

Mark Erdos
 

Yes the control circuit board in the separate control box. However, this is not the problem. All things on the unit work until the compressor power cable is connected. Then pop goes the GF breaker. I really am beginning to believe the compressor is kaput.

 

I haven’t had much luck with Coastal Climate Control in the past. I think you know of my experiences there. The last time I talked to them regarding this very same unit, they tried to tell me to re-engineer the AC cooling system for the entire boat and that Amel was wrong with the installation design. I think I would rather try to fix it locally or replace it than deal with them again. But, thanks anyway for the idea.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 4:41 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

 

If you bought it from Coastal Climate Control, Rob will help you troubleshoot it via phone or email. And when you say "remote circuit board" I assume that you are talking about the control circuit board. It seems to me that your problem could also possibly be with it. I did have a similar problem...when I changed the large 40mf Capacitor, the problem went away. Doesn't make sense, but it happened.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Image removed by sender.

 

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 3:32 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

 

This is the new Climma unit. It is about 4 years old. I replaced a non-Climma unit with this to get back to the original band of parts.

 

The wire harness has a Blue and White wire that connects to the remote circuit board.. This powers the compressor. When I disconnect this, the unit will power but obviously the compressor doesn’t run.

 

The start capacitor checks out. I think it would only pop the GF breaker when the compressor tries to start if this were bad. But it pops immediately when power is applied to the unit.

The run capacitor checks out. I completely disconnected it and still got a GF trip.

The connections are all very clean and no corrosion.

 

I think the only thing left is a fault or short inside the compressor.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:03 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

 

Mark,

 

Wasn't that the unit you replaced with non-Climma?

 

None of this will likely help because it is likely the compressor has an internal short.

 

If it is not Climma, I am not sure how the electrical connection to the compressor is made, but that connection should be checked closely. What about start and run capacitors? Are they in tolerance and are the connections free of any corrosion?

 

 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 1:43 PM Hans-Joerg Wildhagen <carpediemsail@...> wrote:

Hi Mark

 

May be it is a similar problem as with a waterheater when the heater is corroded and the phase and the zero conductor comes at certain point together. I am not sure with that.

BR Hans-Jörg from Germany

Wasabi in Shelter Bay Marina.

 

 

Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> schrieb am Fr. 23. Aug. 2019 um 20:21:

Rats! It’s hot as heck here in Panama and my aft AC has decided not to play.

 

This morning, the main GF breaker popped. By turning on breakers one at a time, I was able to determine I have a GF in the aft AC unit. The AC unit immediately pops the GF breaker when powered on.

 

I have isolated the fault to the compressor. If I disconnect the compressor power from the main circuit board everything else works. The board powers up, the fan turns on etc. The moment I connect the compressor power, the boat’s main GF breaker pops.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

 

If you bought it from Coastal Climate Control, Rob will help you troubleshoot it via phone or email. And when you say "remote circuit board" I assume that you are talking about the control circuit board. It seems to me that your problem could also possibly be with it. I did have a similar problem...when I changed the large 40mf Capacitor, the problem went away. Doesn't make sense, but it happened.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 3:32 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

 

This is the new Climma unit. It is about 4 years old. I replaced a non-Climma unit with this to get back to the original band of parts.

 

The wire harness has a Blue and White wire that connects to the remote circuit board.. This powers the compressor. When I disconnect this, the unit will power but obviously the compressor doesn’t run.

 

The start capacitor checks out. I think it would only pop the GF breaker when the compressor tries to start if this were bad. But it pops immediately when power is applied to the unit.

The run capacitor checks out. I completely disconnected it and still got a GF trip.

The connections are all very clean and no corrosion.

 

I think the only thing left is a fault or short inside the compressor.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:03 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

 

Mark,

 

Wasn't that the unit you replaced with non-Climma?

 

None of this will likely help because it is likely the compressor has an internal short.

 

If it is not Climma, I am not sure how the electrical connection to the compressor is made, but that connection should be checked closely. What about start and run capacitors? Are they in tolerance and are the connections free of any corrosion?

 

 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 1:43 PM Hans-Joerg Wildhagen <carpediemsail@...> wrote:

Hi Mark

 

May be it is a similar problem as with a waterheater when the heater is corroded and the phase and the zero conductor comes at certain point together. I am not sure with that.

BR Hans-Jörg from Germany

Wasabi in Shelter Bay Marina.

 

 

Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> schrieb am Fr. 23. Aug. 2019 um 20:21:

Rats! It’s hot as heck here in Panama and my aft AC has decided not to play.

 

This morning, the main GF breaker popped. By turning on breakers one at a time, I was able to determine I have a GF in the aft AC unit. The AC unit immediately pops the GF breaker when powered on.

 

I have isolated the fault to the compressor. If I disconnect the compressor power from the main circuit board everything else works. The board powers up, the fan turns on etc. The moment I connect the compressor power, the boat’s main GF breaker pops.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Bill,

 

This is the new Climma unit. It is about 4 years old. I replaced a non-Climma unit with this to get back to the original band of parts.

 

The wire harness has a Blue and White wire that connects to the remote circuit board.. This powers the compressor. When I disconnect this, the unit will power but obviously the compressor doesn’t run.

 

The start capacitor checks out. I think it would only pop the GF breaker when the compressor tries to start if this were bad. But it pops immediately when power is applied to the unit.

The run capacitor checks out. I completely disconnected it and still got a GF trip.

The connections are all very clean and no corrosion.

 

I think the only thing left is a fault or short inside the compressor.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:03 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

 

Mark,

 

Wasn't that the unit you replaced with non-Climma?

 

None of this will likely help because it is likely the compressor has an internal short.

 

If it is not Climma, I am not sure how the electrical connection to the compressor is made, but that connection should be checked closely. What about start and run capacitors? Are they in tolerance and are the connections free of any corrosion?

 

 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 1:43 PM Hans-Joerg Wildhagen <carpediemsail@...> wrote:

Hi Mark

 

May be it is a similar problem as with a waterheater when the heater is corroded and the phase and the zero conductor comes at certain point together. I am not sure with that.

BR Hans-Jörg from Germany

Wasabi in Shelter Bay Marina.

 

 

Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> schrieb am Fr. 23. Aug. 2019 um 20:21:

Rats! It’s hot as heck here in Panama and my aft AC has decided not to play.

 

This morning, the main GF breaker popped. By turning on breakers one at a time, I was able to determine I have a GF in the aft AC unit. The AC unit immediately pops the GF breaker when powered on.

 

I have isolated the fault to the compressor. If I disconnect the compressor power from the main circuit board everything else works. The board powers up, the fan turns on etc. The moment I connect the compressor power, the boat’s main GF breaker pops.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Heading S from the Chesapeake

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Kent, I will be heading to Bermuda first so that cuts me out sorry.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 5:25:32 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Heading S from the Chesapeake
 
Alan/Mark,
We are also heading S in Nov, first to St Augustine, then meeting friends in Bahamas for a few weeks, then working our way down to Martinique.  Are you going outside straight to Martinique?  If staying W of the Stream we might head out with you.

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 23, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

I had a bit of corrosion at the mast base but not bad. I replaced the pads from Maud, expensive little suckers, $280 for the pair. I don’t think I really needed to do that as there is not really anyway for the water to get between the mast base and the pad. Those drain holes you see are the top side of a plate welded into the base of the mast so that there is no way for water to go anywhere else but out those holes..
I will be leaving as soon as the rugby World Cup is over which I think the final is Nov 2nd so absolutely let’s keep in touch, probably head down in company.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:21:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 

Thanks Alan.

Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well.

We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height.

I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board.

We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong.
I watched a boat in Ft Lauderdale get there rigging replaced in the slip and if that's all you are doing then I would have no concerns doing that but for us we had a lot of extras to do.
One of the main reasons we did the rigging now and not wait till Martinique was we were getting a lot of mast pumping and could not get rid of it. Once the riggers had tuned it the pumping was even worse and they had no solution to it even after I had shown them the tuning write up so I loosened everything off and followed the directions explicitly and what do you know no more pumping. I'm sure it's not tight enough but I hope to bump into some SM's shortly and check tension with them and we still plan on heading direct to Martinique in Nov.
Acmo rigging was just as advertised, perfect.
Price for the crane was about $600 each way and all the riggers did was remove and replace the masts and do their tune.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis


From: main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 12:47:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 


Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

A good thing that speaks for Amel:

I met a couple in Messolonghi Greece with an Amel 54 or 55 . We got into the conversation and he told me that his wife and he will be on your second circumnavigation of the world. 

I asked why sail the world twice and both paint with the Amel ? 

He replied: nine the first circumnavigation of the world we made with a Lufe 45 . But in every port in every bay where we were was already an Amel and every owner was very satisfied with his Amel . That's why we bought one and sailed around the world a second time with an Amel 

And we are very satisfied ! 


There is nothing more to say ! 

Greetings SM Balu


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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Ian Park
 

Great answer Gary. Got it in a nutshell!
My Santorin seems to give me an occasional nudge - ‘Skipper, you need to listen to this little warning’. I have had nothing ‘fail’ but robust systems let me know they needed a look at! And just everything has a manual backup.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Gary Wells
 

Hello!

Well, I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring as well. 
I did a lot of research before landing in a Super Maramu. Several years' worth really,a a lot of it was just dreaming and window shopping.
The Amel won hands-down for me in the most important arena when it can to crossing oceans.with my wife and that was its design with safety in mind.  There were so many places where I found the SM in front of other boats when it came to staying safe that I found myself comparing most other boats I looked at back to the Amel. So, it dawned on me I should quit comparing :)

One thing I totally understand about getting on a very active forum like this is how you could come away thinking that the boats have numerous inherent problems.  Well, I can confidently say that if you go to an Island Packet, Hallbeg-Rassey or Tayana user's group you'll see the same thing only at a different level.

While the Amel group keeps talking about basically the same "issues" over and over again (especially for the hebenefit of new owners)  these items pretty much hold along the line of 'minor' items.
Bow thruster leaks (routine maintenance fixes that), C-Drive oil and seals, (routine maintenance), outhaul, furling, watermaker and other electrical motors and gearboxes all require upkeep and maintenance. 
What you don't read about are keel-stepped masts that won't quit leaking into the salon, black tanks that develop holes because they get eaten through, rigging failures under stress, keel failures, hull-to-deck joint leaks, engines that  water-lock in following seas, .. and I guess I'll quit there. There are many boats that require a lot of work to get them seaworthy, and then that seaworthiness diminishes rapidly with miles.  I think dollar-to-mile sailed the Amel is a winner.

There are so many points where Amel has seen other designs not work so well and improved on them.  Water-tight compartments, stainless rail lifelines, hard dodgers you can walk on, sea-chest water inlet, monocoque hull/deck construction, retracting bow thruster, cockpit controlled 1-peraon sail operations and .. I guess you probably know most of that already, but it's simply not like most other production boats.  

I think I actually take a bit of joy knowing that if something is going to surprisingly quit working, it is from a rather finite list of mostly non-critical circumstances.  
Once you get to the point of knowing 'hmm, that pump doesn't sound quite right .. time to change the filter" you'll come to see that it's not that hard to keep the boat ready to go fairly easily.

Good luck with your research!

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Halifax NS


Re: Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

 

Mark,

Wasn't that the unit you replaced with non-Climma?

None of this will likely help because it is likely the compressor has an internal short.

If it is not Climma, I am not sure how the electrical connection to the compressor is made, but that connection should be checked closely. What about start and run capacitors? Are they in tolerance and are the connections free of any corrosion?


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 1:43 PM Hans-Joerg Wildhagen <carpediemsail@...> wrote:
Hi Mark

May be it is a similar problem as with a waterheater when the heater is corroded and the phase and the zero conductor comes at certain point together. I am not sure with that.
BR Hans-Jörg from Germany
Wasabi in Shelter Bay Marina.


Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> schrieb am Fr. 23. Aug. 2019 um 20:21:

Rats! It’s hot as heck here in Panama and my aft AC has decided not to play.

 

This morning, the main GF breaker popped. By turning on breakers one at a time, I was able to determine I have a GF in the aft AC unit. The AC unit immediately pops the GF breaker when powered on.

 

I have isolated the fault to the compressor. If I disconnect the compressor power from the main circuit board everything else works. The board powers up, the fan turns on etc. The moment I connect the compressor power, the boat’s main GF breaker pops.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us