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Re: Super Maramu

 

I saw SM hull #1. It has the fan, as does all SMs I have seen. There is also a fiber filter for the fan located above the stove that needs cleaning and/or replacing at least once a year.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 8:12 AM amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
All SM 53's have a galley extractor fan. Be sure to remove the fiberglass Amel arrow  insignia  on the port side and place some aluminum gridding like what is used at the bottom of a screen door as a kick panel over the hole where the extractor vents. Rats love the smell of this area and can gain access to the interior of the boat through this area. A medium sized rat can squeeze through any hole marginally larger than their heads. I am aware of this from personal experience.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:28 PM, jimbo ken <jimbokennedy@...> wrote:

Seems a strange question to ask - but 

Do all SM's have a extraction fan over the cooktop - I seem to see some pictures with them - and others it is hard to tell.
Or was this an option that only some had?

Jimbo


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Is this the box:
image.png
If so, Mark is correct...and more importantly, failure of this relay means that you should not operate the generator until the relay is replaced, or the relay is replaced with a traditional 220 volt shore power-generator power selector switch is installed. The image above is from my Amel Book.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:31 AM Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...> wrote:
Thanks for the explanation Mark.

I rarely connect to shore power (650W solar panels), but I’ll try to replace it with an equivalent automatic switch.  But out of interest, if you install a manual switch, did you place it in an easier to access location (like near the generator switch in the galley)?  I might do that if it fails again.

Thanks again
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: Super Maramu

amelforme
 

All SM 53's have a galley extractor fan. Be sure to remove the fiberglass Amel arrow  insignia  on the port side and place some aluminum gridding like what is used at the bottom of a screen door as a kick panel over the hole where the extractor vents. Rats love the smell of this area and can gain access to the interior of the boat through this area. A medium sized rat can squeeze through any hole marginally larger than their heads. I am aware of this from personal experience.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:28 PM, jimbo ken <jimbokennedy@...> wrote:

Seems a strange question to ask - but 

Do all SM's have a extraction fan over the cooktop - I seem to see some pictures with them - and others it is hard to tell.
Or was this an option that only some had?

Jimbo


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Eamonn Washington
 

Thanks for the explanation Mark.

I rarely connect to shore power (650W solar panels), but I’ll try to replace it with an equivalent automatic switch.  But out of interest, if you install a manual switch, did you place it in an easier to access location (like near the generator switch in the galley)?  I might do that if it fails again.

Thanks again
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Mark Erdos
 

This LC1 D25008 is the switch that changes you automatically from shore/genset power. The wiring of this device can be somewhat confusing to the novice. If you are unsure, get an electrician.

 

The device needs to be replaced. It probably melted due to corrosion on the bare ends of the wires. This causes heat and then fire. You will need to trim back the wire cable to check for damaged wire.

 

I had two of these devices fail on Cream Puff and because of this I opted to replace it with a manual switch. Since we live on the boat full time we are either at anchor or on the hook. Changing over the manual switch is not a big deal. I installed one of these: https://www.bluesea.com/products/9019/AC_Rotary_Switch_-_OFF_%2B_2_Positions_240V_AC_65A

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eamonn Washington
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:01 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Hi

yesterday I connected to 220V shore power, sockets worked as usual. Then I switched on the 220V battery charger and aircon.  A few seconds later all 220V power stopped and there was a burning smell in the galley and the large port cockpit locker.  No breakers gone on shore or the boat.  No possibility to get shore power working again.  The inverter still works but did not try the generator (due to an abundance of caution).

Today I traced the shore power cable to the forward end of the large port cockpit locker, behind the insulation and removable end panel. There was a lot of ash, which was never there before (I clean every year).  I opened the grey box that the mains cable terminated in, and there was evidence of melted electrical insulation and a lot of soot. Inside there was a “device” with the labels “Telemecanique” and “LC1 D25008”.  I googled this and found it is a “contactor” (I never heard of this word before). 

My questions are: did this device fail due to age and simply needs to be replaced (along with damaged wires), or did it protect me from something badly wrong and there is another problem elsewhere (battery charger or aircon).

I am waiting for an electrician, but maybe someone else has some advice?

Thanks
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicily, Italy.


Shore power contactor burnt out

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

yesterday I connected to 220V shore power, sockets worked as usual. Then I switched on the 220V battery charger and aircon.  A few seconds later all 220V power stopped and there was a burning smell in the galley and the large port cockpit locker.  No breakers gone on shore or the boat.  No possibility to get shore power working again.  The inverter still works but did not try the generator (due to an abundance of caution).

Today I traced the shore power cable to the forward end of the large port cockpit locker, behind the insulation and removable end panel. There was a lot of ash, which was never there before (I clean every year).  I opened the grey box that the mains cable terminated in, and there was evidence of melted electrical insulation and a lot of soot. Inside there was a “device” with the labels “Telemecanique” and “LC1 D25008”.  I googled this and found it is a “contactor” (I never heard of this word before). 

My questions are: did this device fail due to age and simply needs to be replaced (along with damaged wires), or did it protect me from something badly wrong and there is another problem elsewhere (battery charger or aircon).

I am waiting for an electrician, but maybe someone else has some advice?

Thanks
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicily, Italy.


Re: Super Maramu

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

SM Balu 222
I have one

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 15.07.2019 um 01:28 schrieb jimbo ken <jimbokennedy@...>:

Seems a strange question to ask - but

Do all SM's have a extraction fan over the cooktop - I seem to see some pictures with them - and others it is hard to tell.
Or was this an option that only some had?


Re: Super Maramu

Ian Townsend
 

SM153 has one.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
US East Coast

On Jul 14, 2019, at 8:54 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

For what it's worth- sm2k 422 has one.


Re: Super Maramu

Thomas Kleman
 

For what it's worth- sm2k 422 has one.


Re: Liftplan and measures Amel 54 for shipping document

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Carina,

 

Can you send me your Email address – I have some questions related to such a move

My Email address: teun@...   teun @ amelit dot net

 

Thanks

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

PORT VILA  VANUATU

July 15, 2019 10:53:36

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CARINA HAMMARLUND via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 11:15
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Liftplan and measures Amel 54 for shipping document

 

Hi,
We´re planning to ship our Amel 54 from Phuket to Europe next year.
The shipping company need some documentation and all measures of the boat.
Is there anyone  else within this forum that have done this and maybe have this plan/drawing in place?
I have tried to find it in our Amel owners manual and in the Amel users guide but unfortunately I can not find it anywhere...

Cheers,
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Super Maramu

Stephen Davis
 

I own SM 72, and have one. 

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Hawai’i

On Jul 14, 2019, at 1:28 PM, jimbo ken <jimbokennedy@...> wrote:

Seems a strange question to ask - but 

Do all SM's have a extraction fan over the cooktop - I seem to see some pictures with them - and others it is hard to tell.
Or was this an option that only some had?

Jimbo


Super Maramu

jimbo ken
 

Seems a strange question to ask - but 

Do all SM's have a extraction fan over the cooktop - I seem to see some pictures with them - and others it is hard to tell.
Or was this an option that only some had?

Jimbo


Re: Hot water pressure and hot water accumulator tank

Craig Briggs
 

Thomas,
Although Bill correctly points out the expansion tank takes care of the increased pressure, it may be helpful for you to know how it does that so you understand that it's not extra water storage. Picture the expansion tank as a small tank having a rubber diaphragm across the middle (although there are some other designs). It has water on one side and air on the other. As your pump works it forces water into the water end and that forces the diaphragm to flex into the air side until it compresses the air to the pressure that turns off your pump. The next time you run water that pressurized air pushes back the diaphragm, the pump comes on and the cycle repeats.  Hence you will notice the pump will not go off as soon as you close your faucet - it needs a couple of seconds to pressurize the system up to the shut off pressure.

Now, when your hot water heater operates the hot water expands and needs a place to go or it will either open the pressure relief valve or burst the tank. That's where the expansion tank comes in. The expanded water flows back into the system and the expansion tank diaphragm will expand to accommodate it, keeping the pressure in the system below the level of your safety pressure relief valve on the hot water heater. 

Depending on what tank you buy, some are pre-pressurized and some have a schrader (bicycle) valve you use to add air. You'll want to keep the pressure about the same as the cut off pressure of your pump. You can play with it if your pump cycles too long after shutting off the faucet (too much pressure) or if it cycles exactly with the faucet (too little pressure, such that it's just acting as an additional tank with no expansion capability.)

Hope that helps.
Craig


Re: Hot water pressure and hot water accumulator tank

 

Thomas, the purpose of the hot water accumulator tank is to take care of the increased pressure in the hot water system caused by heating the water. Heating water increases the pressure in a closed system and increased pressure can harm components. The accumulator does not increase the storage of hot water.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:13 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
Bill- thanks as always for the great info. So this tank is just an 8 liter reservoir for my basic 40 ? Does it only allow ingress under some kind of pressure ?  If not it merely expands my basic 40 into a basic 48, I suppose the additional 20 pct capacity prevents my pressure relief valve from tripping ?


Re: Hot water pressure and hot water accumulator tank

Thomas Kleman
 

Bill- thanks as always for the great info. So this tank is just an 8 liter reservoir for my basic 40 ? Does it only allow ingress under some kind of pressure ?  If not it merely expands my basic 40 into a basic 48, I suppose the additional 20 pct capacity prevents my pressure relief valve from tripping ?


Re: Spar painting in the Eastern Med

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Greg;

We hauled out at Manoel
island in Malta last year. Although I do not have first hand experience, I was told by a reliable source that they had very good painting contractors in Malta.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099

On Jul 14, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Gregory Shea via Groups.Io <gmshea=hotmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all,
I have a problem with the paint blistering on my spars and wanted to get them repainted. I am in Greece and wondered if anyone had any experience with a project like this, in the Eastern Med. I'm guessing Emek in Turkey is a possibility, with their Amel track record. Cleopatra in Preveza declined. Any suggestions?


Greg Shea
Sharki 133
Cap des Iles



Re: Hot water pressure and hot water accumulator tank

 

Thomas,

On your SM the hot water pressure accumulator tank was originally located between the water heater and the port side of the engine room.

Unfortunately, I have seen some owners remove this tank when it starts leaking. I assume they feel that there is no harm, but actually, they are over-pressurizing the hot water side of their freshwater system. This can cause many issues. If you no longer have the Amel-installed accumulator tank for the hot water system, you should install a 4-8 liter accumulator tank. It is normally connected to the hot water system via a hose from the freshwater manifold which is mounted on the aft bulkhead of the engine room. See photo below and note red circle on the hose.
image.png
Also see an image of a page from my Amel Book, attached.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 9:20 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
Bill- I definitely have no accumulator tank in the circuit. I just thought all these years that the basic 40 had a relief valve set too low (7 bar ?). These relief valves tend to last me 1-2 years (I buy them in bulk). Can you send me a pic of the correct setup ? I've never seen one.

Thomas Kleman
SM2K 422 L'ORIENT
Panama


Re: Hot water pressure

Craig Briggs
 

Tom has identified his problem - no expansion tank, but I think this topic started with Mawgan's problem of no hot water flowing after he installed a new tank.
Mawgan, how did that work out?


Re: Spar painting in the Eastern Med

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Greg,
Check out Agmar Marine's Partheni Boatyard next to the airport on the north end of Leros. Very skilled workers and, although I didn't have painting done, I did see their work and it was exceptional. It was several years ago I was there, but have heard from others that's it's still good.
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


Re: Hot water pressure

Thomas Kleman
 

Bill- I definitely have no accumulator tank in the circuit. I just thought all these years that the basic 40 had a relief valve set too low (7 bar ?). These relief valves tend to last me 1-2 years (I buy them in bulk). Can you send me a pic of the correct setup ? I've never seen one.

Thomas Kleman
SM2K 422 L'ORIENT
Panama