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SM - How to remove the bumper

Philippe Chatton
 

Dear all,
I came across interesting messages on how to treat and repaint the bumper.     
I plan to do this in the near future but would like first to take it off.
Could one of you advise on the steps to remove the bumper - have no clue on how the bumper is attached to the hull.       
Thanks!
Philippe
SM 445 Antibes FR  


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 
Edited

Z and I have sailed a fairly good distance on Aquarius, and we touched the reef one time...  And that was when I didn't follow the guidance of my FLS.  All the maps said 2.5M, and we were at high tide..  Well, it was less than 2M, and I thought the FLS was wrong because it was saying 1.5M in front of me....  I was wrong, FLS was right, but luckily I only go .5KTS in those situations and was just a light bump and we backed out...  Now, I always listen to the FLS...  

There are Captains out there that will say, "I circled the globe without GPS, Who needs that"!   It's like some people want to prove they are better than others because they don't rely on such technology. "I just stick my wife up there, and she can spot everything". I don't use my FLS........  Great!

Last night I talked to another captain here in Thailand over a drink, and he was telling me the story about another captain he met that complained about other sailors that had to rely on their GPS... WHAT?  It's a device that when used properly, can make you safer captain. 


Here is my OPINION......  IF IT WILL MAKE YOU SAFER, AND IT's EASY TO USE, AND YOU WILL USE IT.  YOU SHOULD PROBABLY THINK ABOUT GETTING IT.   For that old sailor that thought GPS was useless, just think how safe he would be with a GPS, and the knowledge on how to use it properly...  All that old sailing knowledge, along with all the new tech, now that's what I would call... SAFE!  My friend said that he never again sailed with the old captain that didn't want to use a GPS.  

I have been saved twice by my forward looking sonar (FLS) "Echo Pilot".  I have several videos that show how I use the Echo Pilot when I am in shallow water, or potentially shallow water on our channel.  The Echo Pilotl helps me understand the shape of the bottom at and anchorage, or when I am trying to work my way in a narrow shallow channel.  Now, Yes, you can stick someone up on the bow....  That might be good idea in some cases.... BUT, in the Tuamotu Archipelago you might think twice about leaving you wife up on the bow for 5 hours as you make your way across one of the Atolls.   And, is she going to be sharp the entire time?  One of our friends hit the reef in the Tuamotu's, and they thought they were being safe.  Someone on lookout on the bow, but just a few second not watching after 4 hours of not seeing a thing, and WHAM they hit the reef.  Had to patch the hole, and head to Tahiti to get hauled out and repaired.  A nice $10K and 3 months later, everything good.  I was crossing one of the Atols, and my Alarm went off, I could see the reef in front of me on the FLS, and immediately applied full reverse, and we came within 10Ms of the reef.... Since I can only see what is directly in front of me, I don't try to turn, I just back out.   Aquarius would have hit that day.  I would like to add.....Sometimes the glare on the water makes it difficult to see the reef, but not for the FLS.  And.....Sometimes the clouds make it difficult to see the reef systems.  And, if the water is really clear... EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE IT's 2M deep, then what do you do?  So, I guess you can stick someone up on the bow, and do you feel lucky.  Because they might not see it...   Fact is, you have the best chance of seeing the reef with someone up on the bow, and and FLS.   But, the person on the bow will get fatigued over time, and this will reduce the effectiveness of the watch.   $1500...  That's my 2cents....

I still think if you're going to cross oceans and sail new places...  Get an FLS that is easy to use, and you get good information...  I have one, and have been very happy with it.  Quite disappointed when we hit a log off Columbia and cracked my transducer.  It was down for several months....

Downsides to FLS.. Sometimes an FLS will not work if there is heavy sediment in the water.  I have had times when I was not able to get the depth for up to 5 minutes in some areas..  You can also get weird readings in fast currents with sediment in the water, or when looking into Prop Wash from a large vessel or tugboat.  But, you will get used to reading the prop wash with experience.

Ken Powers
Aquarius 
Super Maramu 262


Re: Indicator lamp 24V panel

Arnold Mente
 

Thank You so much!!!

Am 28.09.2020 um 20:53 schrieb Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...>:

On our boat, they're 8mm.  I used this LED to replace the pressure water indicator and it worked great.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 4:35 AM Arnold Mente via groups.io <Arnold.mente=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Amelians,
 
does anyone know the diameter for the signal lights of pressurized water and bilge pump on the 24V panel of the SM?
 
Thanks for the help, I'm far away from the boat at the moment.
 
 
-- 
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203



Arnold Mente

Urbaniweg 12
7000 Eisenstadt 

Tel: +43 660 6699019

arnold.mente@...




--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Bottom paint

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Pat,
Regarding your keel blasting and refinishing, I'd recommend you review Joel's "classic" post #2960 (and 2964 and 2116). (Just type the number in the "Msg #" box above.)

Plus you could review this Petit Technical Bulletin specifying only one coat of Rustlok, followed within 1/2 to 2 hours by three coats of Petit High Build Epoxy Primer, then fairing as needed with 7050 EZ Fair, then two coats of antifouling with a Petit product.

Note the Technical Bulletin does not call for any barrier coat, because, of course, this is cast iron, not fiberglass.

Joel's posts advise to stick to one manufacturer's system, so if you start with Petit, stay with Petit. And the key to all is to get the first coat (Rustlok) applied within minutes after sandblasting. 

Good luck with the project - and thanks for arranging the new rub rails - I'm picking mine up tomorrow.
Best,
Craig -- SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Bottom paint

Patrick McAneny
 

The bottom of my keel is going to be sand blasted in a few day,I will immediately apply several coats of Petit Rustlok ,followed by several coats of barrier coat and then a couple of coats of bottom paint. I have used Sea Hawk Biocop before and their Cukote also. They say to compare it to Micron CSC ,which is like $80 Gal. compared to $210. for Cukote ,big difference when you are talking about six gallons. Has anyone used CSC and would they use it again? I need a paint good for salt and fresh water,any recommendations.
BTW , the new rub rails are being shipped today ,for you owners that were part of the group purchase.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Amel 55 sea chest strainer part#

John Clanton
 

Billy,

 

The sea chest and strainer are made by Vetus, although the top is a special Amel adaptation.  A quick look on ebay under “vetus strainer” yields a number of different options.

 

 

John

S/V Devereux, A55, No.65

Currently in Antibes



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Amel 55 sea chest strainer part#

Billy Newport
 

We were cleaning our sea chest strainer for first time since getting the boat and it was pretty dirty but the upper lip on the strainer was also broken and taped back on by previous owner. I'm having trouble contacting Amel for spares whether by email yesterday or by phone, noone answered today.

Is there a spares web site where parts can be ordered or does anyone know if a 3rd party supplies the sea strainer?

Thanks
Billy


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

I have a forward looking sonar. It came with the boat. I have used it only a handful of times in the San Blas Islands and now in French Poly. It is a very expensive item that can easily be substituted by a person on the bow.

 

Just my 2 cents but I think you are better off reading the water colors and with a bow lookout rather than relying on a monitor. IMO - The technology is iffy, at best. I certainly wouldn’t risk my vessel based on the display. The distance the sonar looks forward is very dependent on the depth. In other words, if in shallow water, the distance forward looking is very minimal. Chances are you will hit whatever is in front of you in shallow water if relying on the sonar. I found it to be more of a distraction rather than an aid. Again, just my 2¢.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Osterberg
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:15 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

 

I thinking of  install an Echopilot but can't find the real performance difference between the Platinum an the FLS 2D, the Platinum cost about 1500 € and has no screen and NMA0183 and video S  so can be connected to a MFD given it has an Video S port. the FLS cost 1200 € and has it' own screen. Looks like the FLS is better value but ....
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Indicator lamp 24V panel

Ryan Meador
 

On our boat, they're 8mm.  I used this LED to replace the pressure water indicator and it worked great.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 4:35 AM Arnold Mente via groups.io <Arnold.mente=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Amelians,
 
does anyone know the diameter for the signal lights of pressurized water and bilge pump on the 24V panel of the SM?
 
Thanks for the help, I'm far away from the boat at the moment.
 
 
--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Paul Osterberg
 

I thinking of  install an Echopilot but can't find the real performance difference between the Platinum an the FLS 2D, the Platinum cost about 1500 € and has no screen and NMA0183 and video S  so can be connected to a MFD given it has an Video S port. the FLS cost 1200 € and has it' own screen. Looks like the FLS is better value but ....
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


K section belt power ratings for 24v alternator

ngtnewington Newington
 


Further to my note about converting from V belts to serpentine system on the Amel 54 and others.

I went on the Optibelt site and had a good look at the rating tables and the engineering section.

Very broadly, for 180 degree wrap and belt tension of 10 kg per rib and a small pulley of 63mm. There is a correction for less wrap but I did not do the calculation as it is minor for 160 degree wrap.

At 2000 rpm each rib can support 0.7kw, but it goes up with RPM so at 2300 it is about 0.8kw and at 6000 more like 2kw.

At 2000 rpm the alternator only just kicks in but 8 ribs could support 5.6 kw

At  2300 rpm it would be 6.4kw 

Seeing at the Leece-Neville maximum output is 175A at 24v which is 4.2kw  the the K section 8 rib is over engineered but in my book that is no bad thing.

I guess there is a small efficiency loss but I think that is only about 1%

I am delighted just in case I want to upgrade to an even more powerful alternator in the future. Maybe if I were to go Lithium for example.

The other thing is that Amel provided idler pulleys, top and bottom on my boat. The idlers are about 50mm diameter. The Optibelt site clearly states that if idlers are used they should be double the diameter of the small pulley or larger. They also state that if possible they should be only on the slack side and that they cause belt life to be shorter. To be fair the belt deflection was minor.  And I think they are talking about an idler with a lot of wrap. See photo.

Given the over engineering of the K section 8 rib belt I will probably do away with both the idlers.

My conclusion is that Amel got the engineering of the 24v 175A alternator all wrong on the early 54’s. It has taken me three years to figure this out, primarily because I assumed that Amel would have got it right. Especially as there were no problems with earlier Amels that had the same alternator. Some bright spark cocked up the pulley engineering.

Nick

S/Y Amelia Aml 54-019

Leros Gr.


Re: How to prime fresh water on an Amel 55, anyone?

Matt Salatino
 

It works, even if you fill from a bucket, but if pressurized water, remember to remove it, as it will keep the pressure switch turned off. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Billy Newport <billy@...> wrote:

Thats a good tip with the hose to re-pressurize/reprime also.


Re: How to prime fresh water on an Amel 55, anyone?

Billy Newport
 

Thats a good tip with the hose to re-pressurize/reprime also.


Re: How to prime fresh water on an Amel 55, anyone?

Billy Newport
 

John and Matt were correct.  Moving the switch on the d square reprimed the system.


Indicator lamp 24V panel

Arnold Mente
 

Hello Amelians,
 
does anyone know the diameter for the signal lights of pressurized water and bilge pump on the 24V panel of the SM?
 
Thanks for the help, I'm far away from the boat at the moment.
 
 
--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Ankerwinde Amel euros

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Hallo Vallentin ,
Tut mir Leid aber da habe ich keine Fotos von , und da ich das Schiff nicht mehr habe kann ich auch keine Fotos machen .

Aber am Ende ist es doch relativ einfach , wenn du das Loch festgelegt hast damit die Kette in den läuft lässt du die Kette so lange reinlaufen bis sich ein haufen bildet und die Kette nicht mehr runterfällt .
Dann die Kette wieder raus und an dieser Stelle den Ball positionieren damit doe Kette auf den Ball läuft und wegen der Rundung des Balles sich besser verteilt und nich auf einer Stelle sich ein Haufen bildet

Ich hoffe das war verständlich
Für fragen jederzeit gerne

Grüße Elja


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Re: generator pcb board

eric freedman
 

Jeff,
If you are busy UPS it to me.
When do you head to PR?
Will you be bust Oct 29- Nov 9?
Best Eric

On September 28, 2020 at 2:00 AM JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:

Eric,
I'll bring my defective board to you
Jeff

 


Re: generator pcb board

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Eric,
I'll bring my defective board to you
Jeff


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Stefan,

Actually the B&G version got some pretty bad press. I have no first hand experience so I cannot confirm.
If your plotter supports video-in you could consider this one: https://echopilot.com/products/fls-platinum-engine/

This company has been working on this stuff for quite some time and what I've seen they get pretty decent reviews.

Kind regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: How to prime fresh water on an Amel 55, anyone?

Matt Salatino
 

Yes, 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:41 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Do yo add water?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 9:03 PM Matt Salatino via groups.io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, my fw pump isn’t self priming. It’s easy to prime, but needs help if the lines go empty.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 27, 2020, at 9:57 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

The switch on the side of the Square D pressure switch is to turn ON the pump motor when circumstances prohibit the motor from turning on. I do not see who this will help in priming. The OEM pump on the 50 and 55 are self-priming. To prime turn, the pump ON at the DC panel and open the galley tap. It might take a few minutes.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 6:14 PM Matt Salatino via groups.io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
If it’s anything like our 50, there is a lever on the pressure switch plumbed into the fresh water pump. Turn the breaker on, then lift the lever. The pump should start. This might or might not prime the system. If it does, fine. If not, put a hose from the dock into the hose outlet. We have one in the cockpit and by the bow locker for the anchor wash. This will pressurize the system. Then you’re back in business. As soon as the system is pressurized, remove the dock hose. Things should now work.
Don’t ask now I know this....:-)

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 27, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Billy Newport <billy@...> wrote:

We turned off the fresh water pump from the DC panel and let a tap run which lowered the water pressure to 0 before doing some plumbing work today. I expected that when I turned back on the fresh water pump breaker, the pump would repressurize the circuit but turning on the breaker didn't do anything. The fresh water pump isn't starting.

How do I get the fresh water system going again? The Amel manual has very little if nothing about it or at least than I can find.

Any help apprec,
Billy

Amel 55#56