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Re: B&G issues

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Paul,

Where to find the manual for this sensor setup?

Oliver A54#39

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Bill, it worked fine all last season but when i commenced sailing this season the paddle wheel was not functioning due to barnacles so I replaced it and it stated STW off, then you pointed me to calibration and then I found SOG was switched off, I switched it on on STW and TW and AW all worked fine.

Regards Paul 


On 13 Aug 2019, at 4:02 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

Your 54 didn't come with a Paddlewheel. Probably when it was added, parameters were not set...my guess.

Your 54 came with Sonic Speed. 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:56 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hi Bill, my issue was similar except my paddle wheel and sensor was ok accept the parameter associated to the sow was not activated in the H300 display, this then gave me SOW and correct TW and AW

Regards Paul 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 3:34 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 


On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem


Re: B&G Hydra / Furuno System For Sale

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi everybody

If someone is still interested in Hydra2000 or Furuno Equipment removed from an Amel54 (2007).
- B&G Hydra2000 & Hydra Instruments,  - B&G Processor, 
- Furuno NAVnet Chart-Ploter, Furuno AIS FA30 incl. Lorenz VHF Antenna Spliter, Furuno Network Sounder ETR-6/10N, Furuno Heading Sensor, 

Please drop me a E-mail on ruedi (at) waldispuehl (dot). I’ll send you pictures so you can see the details and make an offer.
Ruedi

"SY WASABI"
Amel 54. #55
MMSI: 269322000  
Call Sign: HBY3811

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Seckin Barlas <seckinbar@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Dienstag, 6. August 2019 um 10:19
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B & G Hydra System For Sale

Hi Elaine;

I would be interested in BG hydra system.
Can you pleae give me info about the price location…etc

Seckin 
SY HAYAT 
SM76

On 3 Aug 2019, at 06:40, Elaine Leishman via Groups.Io <leishman.elaine@...> wrote:

Selling B & G hydra system as removed from 1999 Super Maramu.  Working, except for a fault with the wind transducer.  Sonic speed sensors are brand new, never installed.  Will package and post worldwide.  Contact Elaine via the group.  We also have a lot of spare parts for the Volvo Penta engine and the Onan genset.
Elaine
SM 251 Nebo


Re: B&G issues

Paul Brown
 

Bill, it worked fine all last season but when i commenced sailing this season the paddle wheel was not functioning due to barnacles so I replaced it and it stated STW off, then you pointed me to calibration and then I found SOG was switched off, I switched it on on STW and TW and AW all worked fine.

Regards Paul 


On 13 Aug 2019, at 4:02 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

Your 54 didn't come with a Paddlewheel. Probably when it was added, parameters were not set...my guess.

Your 54 came with Sonic Speed. 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:56 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hi Bill, my issue was similar except my paddle wheel and sensor was ok accept the parameter associated to the sow was not activated in the H300 display, this then gave me SOW and correct TW and AW

Regards Paul 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 3:34 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 


On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem


Re: Amel is going lithium

Paul Brown
 

Hi Joerg 

What is the general amps produced in various winds?

Regards Paul 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 4:19 pm, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

I have a Superwind half way up the mizzen mast and it is completely silent.  I have a special connector between the mast bracket and the generator which makes the unit sit and rotate on a plastic plate, rather than metal, and is supposed to eliminate any resonance.   It's been working.  It's been in 45 knots plus apparent several times without any problem.  This is the only wind generator which feathers the blades mechanically when the wind gets up too much, like a full sized professional unit.   You can also short it out electrically in high winds, reducing the wind pressure on the mast.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Almerimar, Spain


Re: B&G issues

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hi,

I got a sonic speed sensor and it was working before.
Magnified Wind did not work since I got the boat.

Where do I find a manual for sensor setup in Menue to verify the setup?

Hot to test a sonic speed sensor?

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54#39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: CW Bill Rouse
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Paul,

Your 54 didn't come with a Paddlewheel. Probably when it was added, parameters were not set...my guess.

Your 54 came with Sonic Speed. 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:56 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hi Bill, my issue was similar except my paddle wheel and sensor was ok accept the parameter associated to the sow was not activated in the H300 display, this then gave me SOW and correct TW and AW

Regards Paul 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 3:34 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 


On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem


Re: Amel is going lithium

Joerg Esdorn
 

I have a Superwind half way up the mizzen mast and it is completely silent.  I have a special connector between the mast bracket and the generator which makes the unit sit and rotate on a plastic plate, rather than metal, and is supposed to eliminate any resonance.   It's been working.  It's been in 45 knots plus apparent several times without any problem.  This is the only wind generator which feathers the blades mechanically when the wind gets up too much, like a full sized professional unit.   You can also short it out electrically in high winds, reducing the wind pressure on the mast.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Almerimar, Spain


Re: B&G issues

 

Paul,

Your 54 didn't come with a Paddlewheel. Probably when it was added, parameters were not set...my guess.

Your 54 came with Sonic Speed. 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:56 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hi Bill, my issue was similar except my paddle wheel and sensor was ok accept the parameter associated to the sow was not activated in the H300 display, this then gave me SOW and correct TW and AW

Regards Paul 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 3:34 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 


On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem


Re: B&G issues

Paul Brown
 

Hi Bill, my issue was similar except my paddle wheel and sensor was ok accept the parameter associated to the sow was not activated in the H300 display, this then gave me SOW and correct TW and AW

Regards Paul 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 3:34 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 


On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem


Re: B&G issues

 

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 


On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem


Re: Amel is going lithium

ngtnewington Newington
 

image1.jpeg
I have two Rutland 1200’s on Amelia mounted on the Solar Arch/Dingy davits.
They have been good and are near silent. My complaint is that they produce a resonance that is heard in the aft cabin. Near silent in the cockpit even is strong winds.
The original idea was to have each Rutland and one solar panel connected to the Rutland controller, but I was not happy with that set up as the controller got hot, so I ended up buying a Blue Sky controller for the solar  and 
sticking with a controller for each Rutland.
I think that they are pretty good value for money, but budget to buy separate a solar controller.
Nick
Amelia anchored Fiskardo 
54-019


On 13 Aug 2019, at 11:17, islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Hi Eric

I am very happy with the Rutland 1200 wind gens, and had researched these quite fully when we purchased back in April 2017. At that time all the reviews put them as one of the top three (Super Wind, D90, & Rutland 1200) but I would do the research again now, just to check if technology had advanced since, and if there are any better ones available in 2019? Obviously look at weight, output (at both low and high wind speeds), and particularly if it is still guaranteed at 45kts+ high wind speeds. Certainly, when I purchased, some were not covered for this and the Rutland 1200 was. The last thing you want when things are wild out there it to have to go out and tie-down the blades, especially if you put it on your mizzen mast!

Rutland had a two year warranty period when we purchased, and have now earned my respect since our two units have been faultless, other than the bearing in one unit (starboard side) did become noisy in a 50+ kts mid-Indian Ocean storm. I was not surprised (actually amazed the other one did not go too in those conditions!) but Rutland was excellent and fixed it, no questions asked, even though it was a year later and I informed them of the storm conditions. I had to ship it back to the UK, and they returned it to me with a new bearing installed when we reached South Africa. 

The one issue we had with Rutland was that the controller unit which comes with these is supposed to also be a solar controller. That feature could have been handy for us as we added more solar in Thailand and then again in the Caribbean, but when we tried to connect the new panels through the Rutland solar side of the controller we could not get it to work. I have since heard of another Amel having the same issue, possibly that was SV Perigree?

Best of luck with it Eric. If you install wind gens, you will no doubt also learn to love windy anchorages at night!  Finally I would certainly say do not bother to put just one unit one on your boat. To make it worthwhile two is far better, in fact, although it would look ridiculous, I would be sorely tempted to add a third unit if we do not sell and decide to do another lap of the world!

Colin Streeter
SV Island Pearl II
Niue.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:15 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

What model wind generator do you like?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of islandpearl2_sm2k332
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 10:10 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel is going lithium

 

Hi Scott

 

Really interesting thread, thank you. We are following with interest.

 

After we met you at the Caribbean Amel Rally 2019 we took a late decision to do the Pacific this year, and end our circumnavigation in Nov 2019 instead of 2010. After this, we will probably sell Island Pearl II, but if we do not sell and decide to go around again instead, then adding Lithium batteries will certainly be the last of many upgrade steps to Island Pearl II. Based on this I would also be most interested in getting a copy of your upcoming Lithium report.

 

On Island Pearl II we have 1040w of solar, run through three separate solar controllers, plus two Rutland 1200 wind gens, and we now seldom use the genset. We have the same 100 Duo watermaker as you, plus do all cooking on our induction stove which is so much nicer than gas cooking. Gas is only for oven baking which we seldom do. To improve washing efficiency we recently upgraded the Amel supplied "Thompson" washing machine to a new "Bosch" as that comes with better cleaning and efficiency, and particularly has a dedicated special "cold water" washing cycle for doing our washing from batteries only.

 

As we near the end of our circumnavigation, we are now pretty close to running the boat "off the grid", but I have always thought that the final piece to the puzzle would be Lithium batteries, so look forward to reading your article and learning from your experiences.

 

By the way, in addition, I remain a total convert to the need for at least two good wind generators on any boat in order to reach a total off the grid experience. Litium could become the trup card that proves me wrong on this but I doubt it. These units are so now so quiet, that (other than visually) they go almost unnoticed. When one considers 50% of time is in darkness, and at least another 5% each per early morning and late afternoon low sun angle, leaves only 40% max (and that is on a sunny day!) with good solar production. Yes solar output completely outstrips that of wind power ten times over, but we would never again be without at least two latest models, high-efficiency good quality wind gen units aswell, which, for example, on night crossings on a beam reach, I often watch putting out 6amp each constantly, and then at anchor on cloudy/windy days (27 - 33kts) push out over 10amps each (x24v of course).

 

Watching with interest

 

Colin Streeter

SV Island Pearl II, sm #332

Niue, Pacific

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:34 AM Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Paul,

I can't really predict for you, but I would guess as long as you spend most of your time around 50% and don't let it drop below 30% very often, the 15-20 year lifetime sounds very realistic.

Keep in mind that ONE over voltage or ONE under voltage condition can irreversibly damage the cell and likely the battery. That's why the BMS is there but all the charging sources need to be able to cut off charging once the BMS tells them to do so. And if any of the cell voltages drop below the safe level per the BMS, there should be an automatic disconnect of all the loads. Given the way Amels are wired, this last part has been a struggle for me.

You ideally should keep it at 40-50% while its wintered. Whatever you do, don't keep it at 100%. The Victron chargers don't have a direct way to specify target SOC, so I had to find a workaround.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


 

--

Colin Streeter

0411 016 445



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: B&G issues

Paul Brown
 

Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17


On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 


On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem


Re: Nikimat

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning,

I see people keep track of me!!!

I am actually now in Fortaleza, Brazil.
The wreck was shredded about a year ago (in St Martin).

email: uster at rocketmail dot com or alternate email uster at usterinc dot com

Sincerely, Alexandre


On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 5:50:48 AM CDT, Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg <ann-sofie@...> wrote:


Are you asking for the boat or for Alexandre?

Ladt I read from Alexandre was on the 11 August then he was in Curitiba, Brazil.

The boat might still be on St Martin

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

13 aug. 2019 kl. 12:18 skrev "jlm@..." <jlm@...>:

Can anyone give me the coordinates of NIKIMAT?
Merci
Jean Luc MERTZ
On CottonBay


B&G issues

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 


On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem


Re: Nikimat

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

Are you asking for the boat or for Alexandre?

Ladt I read from Alexandre was on the 11 August then he was in Curitiba, Brazil.

The boat might still be on St Martin

Regards
Ann-Sofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

13 aug. 2019 kl. 12:18 skrev "jlm@..." <jlm@...>:

Can anyone give me the coordinates of NIKIMAT?
Merci
Jean Luc MERTZ
On CottonBay


Nikimat

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Can anyone give me the coordinates of NIKIMAT?
Merci
Jean Luc MERTZ
On CottonBay


Re: Fiji Pearl rendezvous

Alan Leslie
 

Just wrong charts! 

Sorry I missed you Danny....left for Oz at sparrows this am

Fair winds

Alan


Re: Amel is going lithium

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Eric

I am very happy with the Rutland 1200 wind gens, and had researched these quite fully when we purchased back in April 2017. At that time all the reviews put them as one of the top three (Super Wind, D90, & Rutland 1200) but I would do the research again now, just to check if technology had advanced since, and if there are any better ones available in 2019? Obviously look at weight, output (at both low and high wind speeds), and particularly if it is still guaranteed at 45kts+ high wind speeds. Certainly, when I purchased, some were not covered for this and the Rutland 1200 was. The last thing you want when things are wild out there it to have to go out and tie-down the blades, especially if you put it on your mizzen mast!

Rutland had a two year warranty period when we purchased, and have now earned my respect since our two units have been faultless, other than the bearing in one unit (starboard side) did become noisy in a 50+ kts mid-Indian Ocean storm. I was not surprised (actually amazed the other one did not go too in those conditions!) but Rutland was excellent and fixed it, no questions asked, even though it was a year later and I informed them of the storm conditions. I had to ship it back to the UK, and they returned it to me with a new bearing installed when we reached South Africa. 

The one issue we had with Rutland was that the controller unit which comes with these is supposed to also be a solar controller. That feature could have been handy for us as we added more solar in Thailand and then again in the Caribbean, but when we tried to connect the new panels through the Rutland solar side of the controller we could not get it to work. I have since heard of another Amel having the same issue, possibly that was SV Perigree?

Best of luck with it Eric. If you install wind gens, you will no doubt also learn to love windy anchorages at night!  Finally I would certainly say do not bother to put just one unit one on your boat. To make it worthwhile two is far better, in fact, although it would look ridiculous, I would be sorely tempted to add a third unit if we do not sell and decide to do another lap of the world!

Colin Streeter
SV Island Pearl II
Niue.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:15 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Colin,

What model wind generator do you like?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of islandpearl2_sm2k332
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 10:10 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel is going lithium

 

Hi Scott

 

Really interesting thread, thank you. We are following with interest.

 

After we met you at the Caribbean Amel Rally 2019 we took a late decision to do the Pacific this year, and end our circumnavigation in Nov 2019 instead of 2010. After this, we will probably sell Island Pearl II, but if we do not sell and decide to go around again instead, then adding Lithium batteries will certainly be the last of many upgrade steps to Island Pearl II. Based on this I would also be most interested in getting a copy of your upcoming Lithium report.

 

On Island Pearl II we have 1040w of solar, run through three separate solar controllers, plus two Rutland 1200 wind gens, and we now seldom use the genset. We have the same 100 Duo watermaker as you, plus do all cooking on our induction stove which is so much nicer than gas cooking. Gas is only for oven baking which we seldom do. To improve washing efficiency we recently upgraded the Amel supplied "Thompson" washing machine to a new "Bosch" as that comes with better cleaning and efficiency, and particularly has a dedicated special "cold water" washing cycle for doing our washing from batteries only.

 

As we near the end of our circumnavigation, we are now pretty close to running the boat "off the grid", but I have always thought that the final piece to the puzzle would be Lithium batteries, so look forward to reading your article and learning from your experiences.

 

By the way, in addition, I remain a total convert to the need for at least two good wind generators on any boat in order to reach a total off the grid experience. Litium could become the trup card that proves me wrong on this but I doubt it. These units are so now so quiet, that (other than visually) they go almost unnoticed. When one considers 50% of time is in darkness, and at least another 5% each per early morning and late afternoon low sun angle, leaves only 40% max (and that is on a sunny day!) with good solar production. Yes solar output completely outstrips that of wind power ten times over, but we would never again be without at least two latest models, high-efficiency good quality wind gen units aswell, which, for example, on night crossings on a beam reach, I often watch putting out 6amp each constantly, and then at anchor on cloudy/windy days (27 - 33kts) push out over 10amps each (x24v of course).

 

Watching with interest

 

Colin Streeter

SV Island Pearl II, sm #332

Niue, Pacific

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:34 AM Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Paul,

I can't really predict for you, but I would guess as long as you spend most of your time around 50% and don't let it drop below 30% very often, the 15-20 year lifetime sounds very realistic.

Keep in mind that ONE over voltage or ONE under voltage condition can irreversibly damage the cell and likely the battery. That's why the BMS is there but all the charging sources need to be able to cut off charging once the BMS tells them to do so. And if any of the cell voltages drop below the safe level per the BMS, there should be an automatic disconnect of all the loads. Given the way Amels are wired, this last part has been a struggle for me.

You ideally should keep it at 40-50% while its wintered. Whatever you do, don't keep it at 100%. The Victron chargers don't have a direct way to specify target SOC, so I had to find a workaround.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


 

--

Colin Streeter

0411 016 445



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: Amel is going lithium

eric freedman
 

Hi Colin,

What model wind generator do you like?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of islandpearl2_sm2k332
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 10:10 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel is going lithium

 

Hi Scott

 

Really interesting thread, thank you. We are following with interest.

 

After we met you at the Caribbean Amel Rally 2019 we took a late decision to do the Pacific this year, and end our circumnavigation in Nov 2019 instead of 2010. After this, we will probably sell Island Pearl II, but if we do not sell and decide to go around again instead, then adding Lithium batteries will certainly be the last of many upgrade steps to Island Pearl II. Based on this I would also be most interested in getting a copy of your upcoming Lithium report.

 

On Island Pearl II we have 1040w of solar, run through three separate solar controllers, plus two Rutland 1200 wind gens, and we now seldom use the genset. We have the same 100 Duo watermaker as you, plus do all cooking on our induction stove which is so much nicer than gas cooking. Gas is only for oven baking which we seldom do. To improve washing efficiency we recently upgraded the Amel supplied "Thompson" washing machine to a new "Bosch" as that comes with better cleaning and efficiency, and particularly has a dedicated special "cold water" washing cycle for doing our washing from batteries only.

 

As we near the end of our circumnavigation, we are now pretty close to running the boat "off the grid", but I have always thought that the final piece to the puzzle would be Lithium batteries, so look forward to reading your article and learning from your experiences.

 

By the way, in addition, I remain a total convert to the need for at least two good wind generators on any boat in order to reach a total off the grid experience. Litium could become the trup card that proves me wrong on this but I doubt it. These units are so now so quiet, that (other than visually) they go almost unnoticed. When one considers 50% of time is in darkness, and at least another 5% each per early morning and late afternoon low sun angle, leaves only 40% max (and that is on a sunny day!) with good solar production. Yes solar output completely outstrips that of wind power ten times over, but we would never again be without at least two latest models, high-efficiency good quality wind gen units aswell, which, for example, on night crossings on a beam reach, I often watch putting out 6amp each constantly, and then at anchor on cloudy/windy days (27 - 33kts) push out over 10amps each (x24v of course).

 

Watching with interest

 

Colin Streeter

SV Island Pearl II, sm #332

Niue, Pacific

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:34 AM Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Paul,

I can't really predict for you, but I would guess as long as you spend most of your time around 50% and don't let it drop below 30% very often, the 15-20 year lifetime sounds very realistic.

Keep in mind that ONE over voltage or ONE under voltage condition can irreversibly damage the cell and likely the battery. That's why the BMS is there but all the charging sources need to be able to cut off charging once the BMS tells them to do so. And if any of the cell voltages drop below the safe level per the BMS, there should be an automatic disconnect of all the loads. Given the way Amels are wired, this last part has been a struggle for me.

You ideally should keep it at 40-50% while its wintered. Whatever you do, don't keep it at 100%. The Victron chargers don't have a direct way to specify target SOC, so I had to find a workaround.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


 

--

Colin Streeter

0411 016 445


Re: Engine alignment

Davi Rozgonyi
 

I only have one piece of advice, from experience, but it is the most important one: GET THEM TO MAKE UP THAT ALIGNMENT TOOL! It is not hard. The first 'competent' mechanic who took out our engine for work did not use one, insisted he could do it without, and 100 hours later we limped into another country with the vetus coupling destroyed. The second, much more competent mechanic fixed her up, and tried to insist he could align her without the tool. :D I pulled him out of the engine room, gave him the specs (above in this thread) to make the tool, and sent him off to do it. Took him an hour, came back, aligned it perfectly. Now the tool is part of our cruising kit, and our Amel is happy. MAKE THE TOOL or don't go anywhere.... 


Re: A54 seawater pump for anchor washing

greg greg
 

Fixed.
dismounted, disassembled, cleaned, lubricated, sealed, assembled, installed.
all original parts, including o-rings.
Works better then new one :)