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Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Patrick McAneny
 

Charles, Initially I reserved a table for 8 then 12 and a couple of days ago called and asked if we could get a table for 16 . We now have 15 coming ,so I guess we can squeeze in 17 ,so please join us. I will not ,even if possible try to get a larger table ,I don't think they want to hear from me again. So if anyone else would like to come ,please just show up and you probably can get a table nearby,we will be upstairs. 
See Ya There,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Bell <shipbldr2000@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Sep 20, 2019 10:42 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Hello Pat,

We will also be at the show and would like to join the group for dinner if there is space enough for the two of us.

Thank you,

Charles & Hae
SV Jupiter
Mango #29

Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Scott SV Tengah
 

We are in and my girlfriend's name is Mie (pronounced Mia). Thanks for setting this up!
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Charles Bell
 

Hello Pat,

We will also be at the show and would like to join the group for dinner if there is space enough for the two of us.

Thank you,

Charles & Hae
SV Jupiter
Mango #29
Re: B&G Hydra 3000 True wind direction

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Wolfgang,
I noticed exactly the same problem when I bought Stella. I’m pretty sure that my system was configured as original from Amel. (Previous owner did not change anything).

I cannot find out right now exactly what source setting I used in the Hydra, but I’m fairly sure it’s not 16.

BUT the important thing is that you need to make sure that the Navnet3D system is actually connected to, AND is sending out heading data to the Hydra.

This is configured in the setup/installation process, and on my boat this was not turned on by Amel/Pochon.

So, in short the process is:

1. Find out which NMEA data Out port on the master MFD is physically connected to the Hydra.

2. Make sure the MFD is configured to send heading data on that port.

3. Set up the Hydra to use that data.

I’m sorry I cannot tell you which port numbers to use because I’m travelling at the moment. Regardless, your boat may not be wired exactly as mine, so you should go through the process yourself.

Hop that helps a bit.

Regards
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154

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Re: Furuno “Loss of GPS”/DOP Error alarm and AIS help

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Tony,
The Navnet3D system has a failover action with GPS that I’ve observed, which may be relevant to your problem.

Typically there is more than one GPS data source available in a system. In my case it was the FA50 AIS and the GP150. The source to be used is selected as you step through the system installation process. In my case it was selected to be the GP150.
If during normal operation, the source of GPS fails then the system automatically changes to the other GPS source. In my case, the GP150 failed and the system started to use the FA50 AIS as the source of GPS. I knew nothing about the change, as the system just did it automatically.
It took some time before I noticed the GP150 had actually failed and was not supplying GPS data anymore.

This does not help with the question of why your GP150 is faulty, but may help in your understanding of what has happened in your system.

Furuno would not repair my GP150 so I bought a a couple of inexpensive GPS antennas with NMEA outputs and located them behind the instrument table. They are now my (dual redundant) primary source of GPS for the system.

Good luck!
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154
Re: B&G Hydra 3000 True wind direction

CW Bill Rouse
 

Wolfgang,

Maybe it is as simple as needing calibration. I would pull the manual and try that first.

Good luck.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 5:16 PM Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, thank you.
TWS, AWS , speed etc is working perfect. I only wondered why the point True Winddirection is always on 000 M.
Wolfgang

Re: B&G Hydra 3000 True wind direction

Wolfgang Weber
 

Bill, thank you.
TWS, AWS , speed etc is working perfect. I only wondered why the point True Winddirection is always on 000 M.
Wolfgang
Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Alan Grayson
 

Thank you, look forward to it

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:57:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
 
Alan, I was able to increase the table size ,so you and another couple could join us.
Se Ya There,
Pat&Diane
SM Shenanigans
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From: Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...>
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Sent: Thu, Sep 19, 2019 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Hi Pat, sorry for the late notice but Laura & I would like to join in if possible
Regards
Alan &Laura Grayson
SM 406 “Ora Pai”

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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
 
I regret that we can't make it.
We will be in Europe.
Have a great time!

Vladimir and Marina
S/V Life is Good
SM 345

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 8:13 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I was able to reserve a table for ten at Mangia's Italian Grill ,81 Main St. across from the show , for 6:30 pm on Friday ,Oct. 11 . 
Those attending are: 
Matt & Cindy ,Speed of Light A50
Scott & ? ,Tengah A54
Mike & Tom, Aletes SM
Pat & Diane ,Shenanigans SM
Kent, Kristy SM
Bill & Karen, Harmonie SM

We Look forward to seeing you all there,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans


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Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 8:00 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Kent, Too bad Iris can't make it ,but will see you there. I will make reservations ,if they take it for 6:30 ,looks like eight now ,I will wait to later this week to see if anyone else wants to join us.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


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Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2019 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

I will be there, too.  Iris is working a special event and can’t come.
Looking forward to seeing everyone.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Sep 8, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Sounds good, Pat. Magnia Friday night and you had put 6:30 on the table.
Seems a number of us will be on Back Creek so let’s see if there is interest in dinner at Davis’ on Thursday evening.
Mike
Aletes SM#240
 
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Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 7:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
 
Mike, Assuming everyone will be at the show, Mangia's is very convenient , right across the street from the show,a two minute walk. Its also a very nice place with great food , it also would not require people to somehow travel to Back Creek as the show is letting out.
Hope to see ya there,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

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From: Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
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Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Hi Pat. Tom and I hope to be there Thursday and Friday. A nice dinner place on Back Creek would be Davis’s Pub which a block from Mears Marina. May avoid some of the downtown hubbub. Rustic, good food and popular with the locals even during the week so reservations may be appropriate if they do them. Maybe both Thursday and Friday night Especially if Friday doesn’t work for some. Just a thought.
Mike
Aletes SM240

On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
Kent ,would Friday about 6:30 work for you & Iris.
Pat
SM Shenanigans

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Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2019 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Hi Pat,
Tell us when and where, I will be there, Iris may be able to come too.
Kent
SN243/Kristy
.
On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:
Speed of Life
Amel 50, #27
~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
Matt, Ok thats one vote for Fri. What is the name/model of your boat ?
Pat 
SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...>
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Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2019 8:49 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Cindy and I are driving in for the entire show. We have a previous engagement on Saturday, October 12, but Friday would be good.......
~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:12 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
Diane and I will be sailing to the boat show this year, as we have for the last 35 yrs. We would be anchored in the main anchorage and would invite everyone out to the boat for drinks and pizza and we could do that. But it may be more convenient to meet at a local restaurant across the street from the show. Mangia Italian Grill has great pizza ,etc. and is only about 100 ft. from the show. Friday or Sat. about 6:30 would work for us ,Sat. may be busier . If anyone would be interested, lets get a head count .
Seya There,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2019 9:29 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Iris and I will be driving over to Annapolis for the show.  If there’s a get-together for dinner and/or drinks, we’d like to join in.
Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
St Michaels, MD

On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Mike,

No problem.  JL Mertz's Speedi-Sleeve idea is a good one too as the surface finish on the shaft is really not good enough to ensure a good seal with the oil seal. 

Regarding the Annapolis Boat Show, we will definitely be at the show but we are not sure if we will taking Cara or just driving.  It's such a zoo around there at that time and we can't take the days off work to get there early enough to be ensured of a decent anchoring spot.  Definitely let me know what the plans are as they develop!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: EPIRB mounting location

Ryan Meador
 
Edited

Hi Vic,
 
One of our very clever crew members found a great spot for it.  Kelly built a sturdy mounting board with rubber feet and then the other crew member lashed the whole assembly to the mizzen mast above the outhaul winch.  It's out of the way, reasonably unobstructed, and much less likely to get released by a wave than a rail mount.  I've attached a photo.
 
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:57 PM Vic Fryzel <vic.fryzel@...> wrote:
Where did you end up mounting it?

 

 
Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Patrick McAneny
 

Alan, I was able to increase the table size ,so you and another couple could join us.
Se Ya There,
Pat&Diane
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 19, 2019 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Hi Pat, sorry for the late notice but Laura & I would like to join in if possible
Regards
Alan &Laura Grayson
SM 406 “Ora Pai”

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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:23:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
 
I regret that we can't make it.
We will be in Europe.
Have a great time!

Vladimir and Marina
S/V Life is Good
SM 345

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 8:13 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I was able to reserve a table for ten at Mangia's Italian Grill ,81 Main St. across from the show , for 6:30 pm on Friday ,Oct. 11 . 
Those attending are: 
Matt & Cindy ,Speed of Light A50
Scott & ? ,Tengah A54
Mike & Tom, Aletes SM
Pat & Diane ,Shenanigans SM
Kent, Kristy SM
Bill & Karen, Harmonie SM

We Look forward to seeing you all there,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 8:00 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Kent, Too bad Iris can't make it ,but will see you there. I will make reservations ,if they take it for 6:30 ,looks like eight now ,I will wait to later this week to see if anyone else wants to join us.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2019 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

I will be there, too.  Iris is working a special event and can’t come.
Looking forward to seeing everyone.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Sep 8, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Sounds good, Pat. Magnia Friday night and you had put 6:30 on the table.
Seems a number of us will be on Back Creek so let’s see if there is interest in dinner at Davis’ on Thursday evening.
Mike
Aletes SM#240
 
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Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
 
Mike, Assuming everyone will be at the show, Mangia's is very convenient , right across the street from the show,a two minute walk. Its also a very nice place with great food , it also would not require people to somehow travel to Back Creek as the show is letting out.
Hope to see ya there,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Hi Pat. Tom and I hope to be there Thursday and Friday. A nice dinner place on Back Creek would be Davis’s Pub which a block from Mears Marina. May avoid some of the downtown hubbub. Rustic, good food and popular with the locals even during the week so reservations may be appropriate if they do them. Maybe both Thursday and Friday night Especially if Friday doesn’t work for some. Just a thought.
Mike
Aletes SM240

On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
Kent ,would Friday about 6:30 work for you & Iris.
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2019 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Hi Pat,
Tell us when and where, I will be there, Iris may be able to come too.
Kent
SN243/Kristy
.
On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:
Speed of Life
Amel 50, #27
~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
Matt, Ok thats one vote for Fri. What is the name/model of your boat ?
Pat 
SM #123

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2019 8:49 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Cindy and I are driving in for the entire show. We have a previous engagement on Saturday, October 12, but Friday would be good.......
~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:12 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
Diane and I will be sailing to the boat show this year, as we have for the last 35 yrs. We would be anchored in the main anchorage and would invite everyone out to the boat for drinks and pizza and we could do that. But it may be more convenient to meet at a local restaurant across the street from the show. Mangia Italian Grill has great pizza ,etc. and is only about 100 ft. from the show. Friday or Sat. about 6:30 would work for us ,Sat. may be busier . If anyone would be interested, lets get a head count .
Seya There,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2019 9:29 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Iris and I will be driving over to Annapolis for the show.  If there’s a get-together for dinner and/or drinks, we’d like to join in.
Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
St Michaels, MD

On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Mike,

No problem.  JL Mertz's Speedi-Sleeve idea is a good one too as the surface finish on the shaft is really not good enough to ensure a good seal with the oil seal. 

Regarding the Annapolis Boat Show, we will definitely be at the show but we are not sure if we will taking Cara or just driving.  It's such a zoo around there at that time and we can't take the days off work to get there early enough to be ensured of a decent anchoring spot.  Definitely let me know what the plans are as they develop!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Mark,

I got your private e-mail too.
The grease originally put in the manual furler (mainsail or mizzen) is silicone grease, rather sticky and water resistant.

The furler is rather resistant to water ingress but it is true that this "anti dust lip seal" on top of it is important.
The lip seal at the winch handle nozzle is important too.

During a survey, I always test the manual furler separately, mainly to check if there is not too much resistance that could disable or overload the electric furler.
This test should be done once a year, just to make sure the manual furling is easily working.

Olivier
Re: B&G Hydra 3000 True wind direction

CW Bill Rouse
 

It could also be your heading sensor. Heading is also part of the calculation.
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--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 11:33 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Wolfgang, 

Is your boat speed working and the boat moving when you are checking this? Speed is a required field in the calculation performed by the Hydra. Normally when an Amel has issues with TWS or TWA, the problem is that Speed is missing. Also, in your B&G manual, yo will find instructions to calibrate TWS and TWA.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:13 AM Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi to the group,
My B&G HYDRA 3000 does not display True wind direction =shows 000.If I look through the setup headingsource is 016 - which I think is wrong. Before I try to test I ask the group.
B&G is in its original installation by Pochon/Amel
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54#162 Sandyhook /new York 

Re: Furuno “Loss of GPS”/DOP Error alarm and AIS help

CW Bill Rouse
 

Don't leave home without it😀
From my book:
image.png

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 11:30 AM tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells=me.com@groups.io> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi All

Grateful for your thoughts:

1. My 2008 A54 #102 has the Furuno GPS Navigator GP-150. It’s recently started sounding an intermittent No GPS alarm and, more frequently, a DOP Error alarm. It self tests fine. In Alarm settings I’ve selected OFF for the GPS alarm. I have selected RAIM OFF. I have tried to smooth the fixes by selecting a long interval. I’ve selected 3D/2D instead of 2D because the DOP threshold is (counter-intuitively?) less sensitive. But No GPS or DOP Error alarms still sound when underway. Sometimes several times in a few minutes and then, as I say, after an interval of over 30 minutes for just one time. In the port currently, 5-8 satellites are showing. 

I’m replacing all the Nav this winter but would like the equipment to work on passage tomorrow from Kefalonia to Malta via Sicily (320Nm). If I turn the GPS Navigator off (and use papercharts and iPad) then the Furuno auto pilot No Speed alarm sounds (despite me switching off that Alarm on the Autopilot!). 

One thought (credit Bill Rouse, thanks) is UV damage to the GPS antenna (in presumably usual location starboard side cockpit under hard Bimini roof). Any other thoughts / straightforward Autopilot workarounds please? 

2. AIS. I have Furuno Navnet vx2 at the Nav station. There does not appear to be an AIS option despite the boat having a receiver. It seems AIS vessels were only displayed on the helm repeater (not the Nav station plotter where there is no AIS option) but this plotter has ‘frozen’ and does not show current position regardless of repeated reconnection. I have tried Corrosion X in the terminals. Any thoughts on why this may not be working or can anyone tell me how to display AIS at the Nav station plotter please? 

UPDATE: Corrosion X has now solved the problem. Nav AIS working too. Still grateful for any help on Point 1 re GPS/DOP Error alarms please 



Thanks very much!

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Argostoli,
Kefalonia, Greece

Re: B&G Hydra 3000 True wind direction

CW Bill Rouse
 

Wolfgang, 

Is your boat speed working and the boat moving when you are checking this? Speed is a required field in the calculation performed by the Hydra. Normally when an Amel has issues with TWS or TWA, the problem is that Speed is missing. Also, in your B&G manual, yo will find instructions to calibrate TWS and TWA.

--
CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:13 AM Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi to the group,
My B&G HYDRA 3000 does not display True wind direction =shows 000.If I look through the setup headingsource is 016 - which I think is wrong. Before I try to test I ask the group.
B&G is in its original installation by Pochon/Amel
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54#162 Sandyhook /new York 

Re: Annapolis Boat Show

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Pat, sorry for the late notice but Laura & I would like to join in if possible
Regards
Alan &Laura Grayson
SM 406 “Ora Pai”

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of VLADIMIR SONSEV <sonsev52@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 8:23:20 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
 
I regret that we can't make it.
We will be in Europe.
Have a great time!

Vladimir and Marina
S/V Life is Good
SM 345

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 8:13 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I was able to reserve a table for ten at Mangia's Italian Grill ,81 Main St. across from the show , for 6:30 pm on Friday ,Oct. 11 . 
Those attending are: 
Matt & Cindy ,Speed of Light A50
Scott & ? ,Tengah A54
Mike & Tom, Aletes SM
Pat & Diane ,Shenanigans SM
Kent, Kristy SM
Bill & Karen, Harmonie SM

We Look forward to seeing you all there,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 8:00 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

Kent, Too bad Iris can't make it ,but will see you there. I will make reservations ,if they take it for 6:30 ,looks like eight now ,I will wait to later this week to see if anyone else wants to join us.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: main <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2019 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show

I will be there, too.  Iris is working a special event and can’t come.
Looking forward to seeing everyone.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Sep 8, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Sounds good, Pat. Magnia Friday night and you had put 6:30 on the table.
Seems a number of us will be on Back Creek so let’s see if there is interest in dinner at Davis’ on Thursday evening.
Mike
Aletes SM#240
 
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Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 7:47 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
 
Mike, Assuming everyone will be at the show, Mangia's is very convenient , right across the street from the show,a two minute walk. Its also a very nice place with great food , it also would not require people to somehow travel to Back Creek as the show is letting out.
Hope to see ya there,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

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From: Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
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Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Hi Pat. Tom and I hope to be there Thursday and Friday. A nice dinner place on Back Creek would be Davis’s Pub which a block from Mears Marina. May avoid some of the downtown hubbub. Rustic, good food and popular with the locals even during the week so reservations may be appropriate if they do them. Maybe both Thursday and Friday night Especially if Friday doesn’t work for some. Just a thought.
Mike
Aletes SM240

On Sep 7, 2019, at 6:55 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
Kent ,would Friday about 6:30 work for you & Iris.
Pat
SM Shenanigans

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Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2019 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Hi Pat,
Tell us when and where, I will be there, Iris may be able to come too.
Kent
SN243/Kristy
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On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:49 AM, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:
Speed of Life
Amel 50, #27
~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
Matt, Ok thats one vote for Fri. What is the name/model of your boat ?
Pat 
SM #123

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Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2019 8:49 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Cindy and I are driving in for the entire show. We have a previous engagement on Saturday, October 12, but Friday would be good.......
~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Sep 6, 2019, at 8:12 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:
Diane and I will be sailing to the boat show this year, as we have for the last 35 yrs. We would be anchored in the main anchorage and would invite everyone out to the boat for drinks and pizza and we could do that. But it may be more convenient to meet at a local restaurant across the street from the show. Mangia Italian Grill has great pizza ,etc. and is only about 100 ft. from the show. Friday or Sat. about 6:30 would work for us ,Sat. may be busier . If anyone would be interested, lets get a head count .
Seya There,
Pat & Diane,
SV Shenanigans

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Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2019 9:29 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Annapolis Boat Show
Iris and I will be driving over to Annapolis for the show.  If there’s a get-together for dinner and/or drinks, we’d like to join in.
Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
St Michaels, MD

On Sep 4, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Mike,

No problem.  JL Mertz's Speedi-Sleeve idea is a good one too as the surface finish on the shaft is really not good enough to ensure a good seal with the oil seal. 

Regarding the Annapolis Boat Show, we will definitely be at the show but we are not sure if we will taking Cara or just driving.  It's such a zoo around there at that time and we can't take the days off work to get there early enough to be ensured of a decent anchoring spot.  Definitely let me know what the plans are as they develop!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

B&G Hydra 3000 True wind direction

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi to the group,
My B&G HYDRA 3000 does not display True wind direction =shows 000.If I look through the setup headingsource is 016 - which I think is wrong. Before I try to test I ask the group.
B&G is in its original installation by Pochon/Amel
Thank you very much Wolfgang SY Elise Amel 54#162 Sandyhook /new York 
Furuno “Loss of GPS”/DOP Error alarm and AIS help

tony wells
 
Edited

Hi All

Grateful for your thoughts:

1. My 2008 A54 #102 has the Furuno GPS Navigator GP-150. It’s recently started sounding an intermittent No GPS alarm and, more frequently, a DOP Error alarm. It self tests fine. In Alarm settings I’ve selected OFF for the GPS alarm. I have selected RAIM OFF. I have tried to smooth the fixes by selecting a long interval. I’ve selected 3D/2D instead of 2D because the DOP threshold is (counter-intuitively?) less sensitive. But No GPS or DOP Error alarms still sound when underway. Sometimes several times in a few minutes and then, as I say, after an interval of over 30 minutes for just one time. In the port currently, 5-8 satellites are showing. 

I’m replacing all the Nav this winter but would like the equipment to work on passage tomorrow from Kefalonia to Malta via Sicily (320Nm). If I turn the GPS Navigator off (and use papercharts and iPad) then the Furuno auto pilot No Speed alarm sounds (despite me switching off that Alarm on the Autopilot!). 

One thought (credit Bill Rouse, thanks) is UV damage to the GPS antenna (in presumably usual location starboard side cockpit under hard Bimini roof). Any other thoughts / straightforward Autopilot workarounds please? 

2. AIS. I have Furuno Navnet vx2 at the Nav station. There does not appear to be an AIS option despite the boat having a receiver. It seems AIS vessels were only displayed on the helm repeater (not the Nav station plotter where there is no AIS option) but this plotter has ‘frozen’ and does not show current position regardless of repeated reconnection. I have tried Corrosion X in the terminals. Any thoughts on why this may not be working or can anyone tell me how to display AIS at the Nav station plotter please? 

UPDATE: Corrosion X has now solved the problem. Nav AIS working too. Still grateful for any help on Point 1 re GPS/DOP Error alarms please 



Thanks very much!

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Argostoli,
Kefalonia, Greece
Re: Free or Tie-on the steering wheel

CW Bill Rouse
 

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Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:56 AM Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:
Hi Pat 
You’re absolutely right. It’s not a good Idea. 
I tried have done it also with flex bungee cables. In some place it works well. Not much shock on the cables. Sometimes I had it too loose so the rudder was moving. 
Thanks Danny and Paul for your advice. 
Best regards
Ruedi 
WASABI A54-55

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Ruedi, I would advise against securing the quadrant ,in the event of an emergency a boat should be ready to move immediately . Having to leave the cockpit and go down to the aft stateroom ,lift the bed and untie the quadrant sounds like a bad idea.
I have a small stainless hook secured to the bulkhead about six inches below the wheel ,I use a black rubber bungee with hooks on the ends , I put those hooks over two of  the spokes on the wheel and the bungee under the hook. This allows a very little bit of play, but 99 % a the time no movement at all and we live on a mooring. I can unsecure the wheel in one second if need be.
Good Luck,
Pat
SM Shenanigan


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Sep 18, 2019 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Free or Tie-on the steering wheel

Hi Ruedi, if the wheel is tied tight and there is clonking it is possible your steering cables need adjustment. Easy to do where they are mounted by the quadrant. Just like adjusting cables on a bicycle.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 19 September 2019 at 00:19 "jlm@..." <jlm@...> wrote:

Hi Ruedi,
The best is to fix it, but if you fix it it MUST be without any gap (possibility that the rude can move) ... else do not fix it ...
JLMERTZ
CottonBay

Le 18/09/2019 à 11:52, Rudolf Waldispuehl a écrit :
Dear Amel'ias

I’m curious about experience with tie on the steering wheel and maybe someone has a proven technical answer. 
When I’m on Anchor or in a Marina I always fix/tie the steering wheel in the cockpit with a rope. After this summer in many anchorages with some swell I was not sure anymore if these is the right solution. 
 
Always when small waves hitting the rudder the wheel tried to turn in one or other direction and there is a noticeable noise (little dong) on the cables. 
When I was loosing the rope then the noise was notable under the aft bed because the Autopilot linear drive gear is moving and made noise.   
I’m now quite unsecure which option is the better, -  fix the wheel or let it move around?  Both ways are working on either AP Linear drive and/or steering cables. 
 
Would be the best option to make a fix/tie on the rudder quadrant to stop moving? Has someone done it?
What is your experience and long-term observations? 
 
Thanks for your thought and best regards
Ruedi
SY-WASABI 
AMEL 54#55

Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Mark McGovern
 

Bill,

I think some of the confusion has actually come from Amel.  Alan Grayson of Ora Pai (SM #406) recently rebuilt his Main Furler Assembly with parts from Amel.  They sent him a parts list that showed that one of the lip seals was 45mm ID x 58mm OD x 7mm Width.  However, the drawing that they also sent him showed that seal size was 45mm ID x 60mm OD x 7mm Width.  In addition, the seal that he removed from his Main Furler Assembly was 45mm ID x 60mm OD x 7mm Width.  This also matches the seal that I removed from Cara (SM #440).  So it is likely that the correct size is 45mm ID x 60mm OD x 7mm Width.  However, this does not mean that some Amels might not have a different size seal.  I think it is best for each owner to complete the tear down of the Main Furler Assembly and check/measure for themselves to be sure that they get the correct parts.  Obviously, that will cause some delay in getting the assembly back together and re-installed on the boat but oil seals, bearings and o-rings are all common items that are relatively easily sourced quickly and cheaply most anywhere.

Regarding what I found on Cara, there are four (4) seals in total in the Main Furler Assembly.  Three of them are standard lip seals also called oil seals or rotary shaft seals.  These are the kind of seals that we use for the C-Drive output shaft and the Bowthruster tunnel.  They are made from a combination of some kind of rubber and steel and have a garter spring.  The sizes of the lip seals that were installed in my Main Furler Assembly were as follows:

1 x 45mm ID x 60mm OD x 7mm Width
1 x 25mm ID x 33mm OD x 6mm Width
1 x 30mm ID x 40mm OD x 7mm Width

These seals are all designed and installed to keep the grease INSIDE the Main Furler assembly.  

The fourth seal is different.  It is a V-Ring seal that sits outside on top of the Main Furler assembly.  It's main purpose appears to be keeping contaminants OUT of the Main Furler.  I found this explanation of these types of seals here https://www.allsealsinc.com/v-rings.html

V-Ring Seal Size:
1 x VA-45 (or VA-045) V-ring Seal:  40mm ID x 50mm OD x 9mm Width.  I ordered SKF Part # 400450.

Like I said in my previous post, once I have confirmed that everything that I have ordered to complete the rebuild of my Main Furler assembly is correct and everything installs properly, I will make a comprehensive post of the parts that I used as well as my parts sources here.

Thanks,
Mark 



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Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Bill, 
On our vessels we have several locations where there are lip seals in the horizontal position in exposed areas like what Mark found and the furling gearboxes. If the seal is slightly below the elevation of the gearbox surface it will tend to collect water. What do you think of going with a thicker, for example 8 versus 7 mm, Lip seal and inserting it such that it is slightly above the surrounding metal surface. In that way it will be less prone to collect water.
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240

On Sep 19, 2019, at 7:34 AM, Mike Ondra <mdondra@...> wrote:

I never thought of checking this one. Perhaps this could be a project for boat show weekend.


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From: "CW Bill Rouse" <brouse@...>
Date: September 18, 2019 at 8:06:12 PM EDT
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furling Motor Issue
Reply-To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

Mark,

There has been some information out here that the seal is VA45mmX60mmX7mm Seal  OR 45mmX58mmX7mm. The middle dimension is the shaft size. I know for a fact that Amel 54 #69 had a 58mm shaft. One SM owner recorded his as 60mm, but was not 100% sure.

Can you verify this issue?

Your advice certainly applies to all Santorins, Super Maramus, and 54s. 

Bill

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:43 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:
Just a friendly reminder to my fellow Amel owners to do a regular check on the shaft seal that sits over the main furler cylinder.  It's the one circled in RED in the picture below:
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I would advise you have look at it ASAP and put it on your annual maintenance list to at least inspect it's condition and if it's at all questionable, replace it.  It costs less than $5 to buy a new one but could end up costing you hundreds of $ or more if it fails and you destroy the gears.  Don't be like me and wait until your main furler seizes before you check it!

Here is a picture of my seal.  It actually has a split in it so I use the term "seal" loosely:



I can confirm that it is a VA-45 or VA-045 V-ring Seal as you can faintly see "VA 45" molded into the rubber in the upper left side of the picture. 

The failed seal has allowed saltwater, rainwater and dirt to enter the furler cylinder for some time now and it eventually destroyed the tapered roller bearing that sits at the top of the the shaft.  Here is what my bearing looked like when I got it off the shaft AFTER I cleaned it up:

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Needless to say the bearing is completely destroyed.  Obviously this did not happen overnight but has been going on for a long time.  I've owned my boat for just over two years now and surprisingly the main furler has worked almost all of the time.  It did pop a breaker now and again but I attributed that to the motor brushes being old and worn and all the carbon dust that was inside the motor when I took it apart this spring to clean and change the brushes.  I'm sure that the worn brushes and carbon dust did not help things, but the main culprit was clearly the corroded roller bearing caused by the failed V-ring Seal.  

I would highly recommend that you have look at your furler seal now and inspect it on regular basis.  If you find it cracked, damaged or missing I suggest that you take the furler assembly down and open it up, clean the inside and inspect the bearing as well as the other ball bearing, three lip seals, and two o-rings that are inside.  It does not take that long nor require any special tools to do this tear down and inspection.  If you do need to change bearings, a bearing puller certainly makes the job easier.

Thanks to Duane (Wanderer) and Pat (Shenanigans) and others on this forum for some excellent pictures, part numbers and sources for replacement parts.  Some if the information is spread around a bit here so once I am sure that I have all of the correct information regarding all the replacement parts that I needed to do the rebuild I will make another post here to try to get it all in one place.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

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