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Re: Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

Gary Wells
 

I, for.one, have learned a few things from their videos.  Yes, I've spotted a few things along the way that made me say "oh, I could've helped you with (or prevent) that!" but by in large thwy handle the boat right.  
I agree with Bill that Delos is a great marketing tool but .. they are in business as a video production company first and as an Amelian second.  The benefits and spinoff srom their work can't be denied though!  

I do look forward to their episodes :)

Gary W.
SM 299, Adagio
Cape May, NJ (underway). 


Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Nick,

When I run the WM, the Dessalator gauge reads well over 100 liters per hour but it appears a bit optimistic. I assume you're checking the dipstick prior to running it for one hour and then checking again after 1 hour of runtime? I am aware of the effect of salinity and temperature but I'm loathe to try to put it higher into the red in order to try to squeeze out some more output. I'd rather just keep it in the recommended green and run it a bit longer.

In any event, with respect to the battery charging routine, it's really just a math problem. I average a bit over 200 AH a day from my solar panels. I run two fridges and a freezer. I cook with induction. I use the electric kettle to make coffee. I use my laptop. Those uses are more or less fixed. With that usage and decent sun, the battery bank doesn't drop below 35% for days. The recommended/acceptable practice is to run it down to 20% SOC, but I get nervous at 30%. So I have 450*.7 = 315AH of usable capacity. Add in 200AH of solar output and I have 515AH per day to work with. We don't use that much per day so it lasts a few days.

Lately I've been trying to keep between 40-80% state of charge, if possible. That's the least stressful for the batteries and extends their life. I won't run the genset early in the day if I think solar will push the bank above 80% that day and I don't run high draw appliances if I'm near 40% without running the genset. I'll charge to 100% if I know it won't be staying there long - eg I may run the genset to charge to 100% before a full night of air conditioning on battery. Keeping a lithium bank at 100%, especially in high ambient temps, is not good for them.

I treat my batteries very well due to the initial cost. Most would simply take it to 20% and fire up the genset to take it to 100% without any other adjustments.  Even with that "abuse", they'll get 2000 cycles out of them. It's certainly simpler and I may be overthinking it, but I don't mind a bit of extra thinking to make them last a few thousand extra cycles.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Thomas Peacock
 

Pretty sure the Starbrite is good. Main ingredient should be propylene glycol. 
For engine and gen, we would close the engine room through-hull, then run engine while pouring pink stuff through the sea chest until you could see it coming out the exhaust. Same for gen. 
I would not want to guarantee, but the engine room does stay a little warmer as it is lower, and derives “heat” from the cold Scottish water. Some people augment this with a 100 watt incandescent bulb (if you can find one). 
As I recall, to totally antifreeze the engines, watermaker, and fresh water system, you might go through ten gallons. 
Not sure about the water maker tube, we never did it, watermaker was already asleep with metabi and glycerine. Our manual says to use 10 liters chlorine free water, 100 grams metabi, and 2 liters glycerine ( which provides the antifreeze property). I don’t know if the glycerine can pass through the membrane, it is a very small molecule, kind of like water by structure (OH-OH-OH). If so, that would also protect the tube. Pretty sure propylene glycol will not pass through. 

Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay US


On Aug 8, 2019, at 6:49 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark and Tom,
I’ve found the Starbrite Pink antifreeze online at Force4 chandlery in the UK. Good to -46C.
I think it’s probably the same product that you use, since it’s sold in US gallon containers.
How many gallons would you normally use? I presume you just use the same pink antifreeze for the engine and genset too?

Mark, may I assume that draining the tube is easy once I’ve removed the control panel from the bulkhead?
Any tricks there?

Also, do you use the manual flush lever/inlet to introduce the antifreeze, or do you run it through the seawater inlet?  I guess the latter is easier.

Many thanks once again
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Re: Update Timezero 4.0 for Furuno Navnet 3Duser

greg greg
 

Sheet happens :(


Re: AmelYachtOwners] ----Peter please take a look at the attached link--Storm tactics

Brian Riggs
 

Eric,

An excellent article. Thank you for sharing. The more I research and read, the more I'm inclined to reach for a JSD over a sea anchor.

Fair winds and following seas!

Brian Riggs
Future Amel Owner


Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Dean Gillies
 

Thanks Mark and Tom,
I’ve found the Starbrite Pink antifreeze online at Force4 chandlery in the UK. Good to -46C.
I think it’s probably the same product that you use, since it’s sold in US gallon containers.
How many gallons would you normally use? I presume you just use the same pink antifreeze for the engine and genset too?

Mark, may I assume that draining the tube is easy once I’ve removed the control panel from the bulkhead?
Any tricks there?

Also, do you use the manual flush lever/inlet to introduce the antifreeze, or do you run it through the seawater inlet?  I guess the latter is easier.

Many thanks once again
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Re: Genoa car springs

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 

I have at the end of the rail about 15 cm on each side cut off. This was the only way for me to remove the Traveler. Then it can be lifted off 

Heinz Quetzal sm2000, 292

Am 08.08.2019 um 10:27 schrieb Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>:

So today I sawed through the cotter pin and removed the remnants...but that rod is firmly stuck. Tried the grip it and hit it technique, nothing
Others have suggested removing the car and soaking it in interesting solutions, or heat, or drilling out the aft end of the car and trying to knock it out.
We'll see, but for the moment it's not going anywhere!
Alan
Elyse 
SM437


Re: Genoa car springs

Alan Leslie
 

So today I sawed through the cotter pin and removed the remnants...but that rod is firmly stuck. Tried the grip it and hit it technique, nothing
Others have suggested removing the car and soaking it in interesting solutions, or heat, or drilling out the aft end of the car and trying to knock it out.
We'll see, but for the moment it's not going anywhere!
Alan
Elyse 
SM437


Re: Amel is going lithium

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Scott,

My Desalateur produces 160l per hour easily. Actually one should adjust the pressure to that effect as the water temperature and salinity effect output. So in the West Indies and Greece in summer     I have to keep the pressure just kissing green on the HP, if I set it at midway on the gauge it produces 180 litres. I think in colder water more pressure is required and in less saline water less pressure.

Coming back to Lithium. So what is your routine for charging the batteries? Assume bright sunshine.
Let’s assume:
You want hot water every day
You need to make 100 litres of water per day
You cook etc and run all fridges 
And do all the phone charging and laptop charging maybe watch TV for an hour etc etc....
Maybe do a load of laundry.
Just living at anchor

Nick
Amelia (54-019)
Preveza Greece





On 7 Aug 2019, at 23:09, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Mark,

If you look at Dessalator specs you'll see that it does operate much more efficiently at 24v vs 220v.

https://www.dessalator.fr/en/products/price-list/

For my Duo100, operating at 220v uses nearly 60% more wattage than operating at 24v. Moreover, inverters aren't 100% efficient so I try to go 24v whenever possible.

BTW does your 160l/h actually produce 160l/h? The gauge on mine will show 100+ but measuring via the floating dipstick shows the tank is only getting 80l
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Antal Block and Dyneema loops

eric freedman
 

WD-40 is good for starting a diesel but for lubrication it is poor as it absorbs water. Inox does the same job and repels water.

To loosen up rusted in place things PB Blaster is far superior.

Here is a quote from their website.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 Blaster PB Penetrating Catalyst, which quickly breaks loose the surface tension of frozen parts and protects against further rust and corrosion

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 9:34 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Antal Block and Dyneema loops

 

Hi Koko, 

Good to know, I will try after using WD40.

Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Storm tactics

eric freedman
 

Yes- the drogue was attached as per the article. That time unfortunately was not the first time were in near hurricane/ hurricane force winds

and had the JSD out.  We had it out for over 30 hours.

The drogue’s bridle when attached to the cleats falls between the mizzen backstays.

If I were to run the bridle outside of the backstays I was worried that I would lose the SSB antenna.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Champness
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 9:06 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Storm tactics

 

How did you have the drogue attached when you had that experience?  I'm trying to envision how the mizzen shrouds would be involved. 


Re: Cabin sole revarnishing

Matt Salatino
 

If you are refinishing down below, where there isn’t constant exposure to direct sunlight, polyurethane is a much better choice for cabin soles. It is much harder, more abrasion resistant. In any case, to get a good finish, the old stuff needs to come off.  A tough job, but made easier with a heat gun and metal scraper. Then a fine (220 grit) sand to flatten and smooth. Use a sanding block, or your fingers will cause an uneven finish. Clean with alcohol, then apply the finish.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 7, 2019, at 3:14 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Hello there

Our cabin sole needs some tlc. Family sailing with young boys onboard means it’s seen some action and I need to revarnish it.

In high traffic areas we are down through varnish to bare wood in patches.

I’d greatly appreciate any advice on how best to restore the floor.

Do you think I need to remove all the existing varnish 1st? If so I assume cabinet scrappers would be the best option - if very slow :(

Then I was thinking of a few coats of epoxy ?? and then a matt varnish. Perhaps a water based one so it’s not so toxic during the application

It’d be great to get any tips from folk who have done this before


Many thanks in advance

Miles
Maramu 162
Plymouth Uk




Update Timezero 4.0 for Furuno Navnet 3Duser

Wolfgang Weber
 

Don't Update your Timezero Maxsea to 4.0  if you use Furuno Navnet 3D. Otherwise you will loose the Synchronisation and can not Export your routes from Maxsea Timezero to Furuno Navnet 3D.
Don't ask me why I know - 1/2 Day trying everything and help by  nephew and online support to downgrade (3.3) again.
Viele Grüße Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162


Re: Delos series 205?

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Yes, I did see errors in the Delos video.  Thank you for pointing out this video otherwise I would not have known about it and would have missed an opportunity to view any part of the video. 
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi Koko, 
Good to know, I will try after using WD40.
Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162






Re: Deleware Bay --> Cape May anchorages

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hello Craig 
Thank you very much for this helpful  Informations
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162






Re: Storm tactics

Jacob Champness
 

How did you have the drogue attached when you had that experience?  I'm trying to envision how the mizzen shrouds would be involved. 


Re: Storm tactics

Jacob Champness
 

Thanks.  Very interesting article!


Re: Deleware Bay --> Cape May anchorages

Thomas Peacock
 

We just overnighted at Hancocks. Indeed, the Cohansie is generally very deep. Charts do not indicate depths. While pretty close to the center of the river, we did run aground, needed to kedge off. But again, most areas are 15 to 30 feet. Depending on timing, mosquitoes and/or green heads can be a real nuisance. 
On the New Jersey Atlantic coast, I would be reluctant to go into Manasquan. Not really anything between Atlantic City and Sandy Hook. However, Sandy Hook has always been a surprisingly beautiful anchorage. Three weeks ago we saw a breaching humpback right in Raritan Bay. Only about ten miles from NYC. 
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay, US


On Aug 7, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Wolfgang,
There's a wonderful "secret" anchorage on that route. It's the Cohansey River part way down Delaware Bay and you can anchor around any bend as you go up the river. This is an old commercial freighter port and has lots of depth going in and all the way up the river. Keep entry light "1C" close to port going in and then stay far left for 6 to 7 Meters (20-25 feet) of water. If you go up a few bends there's a fun restaurant at Hancock Marine where you can tie off at their dock. Approach depth is 3-4 meters.  In calm winds there are mosquitoes the farther up the river you go.
At Cape May you can easily carry your draft into the inlet and anchor either to the left towards the Coast Guard Station or to the right before the bridge or past it. Watch for 180° tide change.
Check Active Captain for more info on these anchorages.
Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris - Tropic Isle Harbor FL


Re: Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

eric freedman
 

Mark,

Did you see any errors in the video?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark & Debbie Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 8:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

 

Could you specify the four errors you identified on the Delos video for anyone that is still just marginally Amel challenged?  Thanks.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54