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Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Glad you have your pump working.  Would you have the part number of the motor brushes or the physical dimensions and a photo.  I would like to find a source for these parts.  Thanks.
--
Mark & Debbie Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

 

Good.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 7:07 PM Lior Keydar via Groups.Io <sharona246=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dear Bill
Yes!!! it was the brushes. one of them was very bad. I am lucky that the previous owner bought the service kit for the pump. I took the motor out, replaced the brushes and now it is working perfect. 
The next step will be to replace the D pressure switch but it is now not urgent.

Thanks again for your help
Lior


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Dear Bill
Yes!!! it was the brushes. one of them was very bad. I am lucky that the previous owner bought the service kit for the pump. I took the motor out, replaced the brushes and now it is working perfect. 
The next step will be to replace the D pressure switch but it is now not urgent.

Thanks again for your help
Lior


Re: Refueling from Deck

James Sterling
 

Bill, yeah you gotta love science of physics.  These are non-vented military style cans and I'm not blowing into anything anyway :).  These little cheapy siphons work well but they coil them up so tight the attached hose collapses easily and at least in my case was useless.  I suggest getting the shortest they sell (cheapest) and cut the hose off and replace with good clear PVC.  It won't kink or collapse.  Mine is a 7/8" unit so the replacement PVC hose of 3/4" press fit on the siphon valve without needing a clamp.  A delivery captain friend carries just the valve and separate clean hose in his suitcase when flying out to pick up a delivery boat. 


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

For me it is the other way sometimes the pumt dont stop running with a soft tuch on the switsh it works . 
It is the membran  from the pump 
The menbran is old and hard maybe you can change the menbran  

Good luck Elja 
SM 222


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Am 16.07.2019 um 13:57 schrieb Lior Keydar via Groups.Io <sharona246@...>:

Hello everybody

The A.M.F.A fresh water pump stop sometimes working. After I give a soft "kick" on the pressure switch, it start working again. It looks like that the switch sometime does not start after the pressure goes down and when it start, the pressure goes up slowly.
Does anyone has any advise? can you please write me what is the hi and low pressure that it should work? and how much I should pump the accumulator tank (and how to measure it) ? I think it could be a dust somewhere?

Thanks a lot 
Lior, SHARONA A54 #18


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

 

Yes, it could be the brushes on the motor. They are replaceable. 

You can open the Square D pressure switch by unscrewing the nut in the middle of the box. You will see two mechanical spring switches. If you see them closing when you "kick" it is the Square D Pressure switch...if they are already closed and the motor not running until you "kick," it is the brushes on the electric motor.

The above is most likely, but as I learned from my doctor, diagnosis is always much better in person.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 11:45 AM Lior Keydar via Groups.Io <sharona246=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Dear Bill and everybody

I have the A.M.F.A 88b. Is it possible that the problem is on motor? when the pressure drops, I see that there is 27 V on the engine but it does not work. When I kick it  a little bit it starts very slow and then it goes faster. Is it maybe the engine?

Thanks
Lior


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Dear Bill and everybody

I have the A.M.F.A 88b. Is it possible that the problem is on motor? when the pressure drops, I see that there is 27 V on the engine but it does not work. When I kick it  a little bit it starts very slow and then it goes faster. Is it maybe the engine?

Thanks
Lior


Re: Refueling from Deck

Craig Briggs
 

Bill,
That's for sissies - ya gotta suck on the hose!
Cheers, Craig


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Lior;

If you find yourself in a pinch, I do have spares on board that you can have.

We were anchored outside Kotor for a couple of days and are now anchored outside Risan in Bay of Kotor.

We will be in marina Porto Montenegro in a few days.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jul 16, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Lior Keydar via Groups.Io <sharona246@...> wrote:

Dear Mohammad

Thanks a lot for your feedback. It was nice talking to you on VHF a few days ago :-)
I will immediately order the switch but we must have water in between... We are still two weeks in Montenegro and Croatia. I will try to take it out and clean it. Maybe it will help for the next two weeks. Are you still in Tivat? I will be there tomorrow.

Thanks
Lior


Re: Refueling from Deck

 

I was not going to post this, but..........

If you set the jerry can above the tank you are filling, you can safely siphon without a "gizmo."
  • Place the jerry can at a level above the fuel tank fill opening
  • Place a piece of hose in the jerry can with the end near the bottom of the jerry can
  • Place the other end in the tank fill opening, or in a filter which is inserted into the tank
  • Place a clean rag around the opening of the jerry can where the hose is inserted
  • Blow into the opening on the jerry can (you can use your wet vac in reverse for this...I didn't)
  • Fuel will begin to siphon from the jerry jug into the tank
My grandkids loved learning this. 😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:40 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

These are great. We have one. I also use it to transfer fuel for the dinghy. It is possible to leave the fuel can on the deck and the dink in the water. Saves trying to use a big funnel and spilling gas in the dinghy.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Sterling
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Refueling from Deck

 

An auto siphon, also called a jigger will empty a 5 gallon container in less than a minute.  I would only dispense direct to tank with fuel I trust otherwise I'd pre-filter it through a Baha Filter.  It's a fast way to add on fuel while underway with no mess.


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Thank you very much Bill. It helps me a lot. I very appropriate your replay!

Thanks
Lior 


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Dear Mohammad

Thanks a lot for your feedback. It was nice talking to you on VHF a few days ago :-)
I will immediately order the switch but we must have water in between... We are still two weeks in Montenegro and Croatia. I will try to take it out and clean it. Maybe it will help for the next two weeks. Are you still in Tivat? I will be there tomorrow.

Thanks
Lior


Re: Refueling from Deck

Mark Erdos
 

These are great. We have one. I also use it to transfer fuel for the dinghy. It is possible to leave the fuel can on the deck and the dink in the water. Saves trying to use a big funnel and spilling gas in the dinghy.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Sterling
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 4:04 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Refueling from Deck

 

An auto siphon, also called a jigger will empty a 5 gallon container in less than a minute.  I would only dispense direct to tank with fuel I trust otherwise I'd pre-filter it through a Baha Filter.  It's a fast way to add on fuel while underway with no mess.


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Lior;

The pressure switch is a mechanical switch that uses springs. The springs sometimes get rusty and old and do not function reliably and consistently. These switches are relatively inexpensive and in my opinion, better to replace than try to fix, when they start to get unreliable. However, some cleaning and lubricating the springs and connections, may work temporarily.

As far as the on and off pressures, we have set ours at 1.4 bars on and 3.0 bars off. You can vary these numbers a bit based on personal preference in water pressure and how often the pump cycles.

Going off memory, I believe that we have set the pressure inside the accumulator at 1.4 bars. This combination gives us good pressure and a good length of time between cycles. You can measure the pressure in the accumulator with a simple auto tire pressure gauge.

Respectfully;


Mohammad &Aty
Amel 54 #099
B&B Kokomo

On Jul 16, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Chen Melamed via Groups.Io <cm@...> wrote:

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‫ב-16 ביולי 2019, בשעה 14:57, ‏‏Lior Keydar via Groups.Io ‏<sharona246@...> כתב/ה:‬

Hello everybody

The A.M.F.A fresh water pump stop sometimes working. After I give a soft "kick" on the pressure switch, it start working again. It looks like that the switch sometime does not start after the pressure goes down and when it start, the pressure goes up slowly.
Does anyone has any advise? can you please write me what is the hi and low pressure that it should work? and how much I should pump the accumulator tank (and how to measure it) ? I think it could be a dust somewhere?

Thanks a lot 
Lior, SHARONA A54 #18


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

 

I have never seen a combined product. 

BTW, I like the galvanic isolators with a gauge. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 3:55 AM Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...> wrote:
Hi

thanks for the input and Bill’s advice and diagrams.

Only 10A relays are available locally, so I have to wait 2 days for a 40A replacement relay to be sent.  I will put in a final note when it is working, including the brand of replacement relay and price.  I think this should be added to the spares list for the older Amels.

Regarding the addition of the breaker in the aft lazarette on the shore power, I was think of adding a 32A galvanic isolator there anyway.  Is there any combined product that could do both jobs that you suggest I could order?

Thanks
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

 

You either need a new Square D pressure switch, and it adjusted correctly, or you need to adjust the current switch. If you have never adjusted the switch, you may find the 2 adjustments difficult as it is not intuitive.

Don't kick it as the rubber mounts will easily break.

Amel installed 2 different A.M.F.A/Reya fresh water pumps. The 66b and 88b. The 66b cutoff pressure is about 2.0 bar...turn ON at about 0.6 bar. The 88b settings are higher.

The accumulator air pressure should be measured with 0 bar water pressure in the freshwater system. Generally the air pressure should be 10-15% less than the cutoff water pressure.

There is a lot more in my 400 page Amel Book.


CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 6:57 AM Lior Keydar via Groups.Io <sharona246=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello everybody

The A.M.F.A fresh water pump stop sometimes working. After I give a soft "kick" on the pressure switch, it start working again. It looks like that the switch sometime does not start after the pressure goes down and when it start, the pressure goes up slowly.
Does anyone has any advise? can you please write me what is the hi and low pressure that it should work? and how much I should pump the accumulator tank (and how to measure it) ? I think it could be a dust somewhere?

Thanks a lot 
Lior, SHARONA A54 #18


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Chen Melamed
 

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נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-16 ביולי 2019, בשעה 14:57, ‏‏Lior Keydar via Groups.Io ‏<sharona246@...> כתב/ה:‬

Hello everybody

The A.M.F.A fresh water pump stop sometimes working. After I give a soft "kick" on the pressure switch, it start working again. It looks like that the switch sometime does not start after the pressure goes down and when it start, the pressure goes up slowly.
Does anyone has any advise? can you please write me what is the hi and low pressure that it should work? and how much I should pump the accumulator tank (and how to measure it) ? I think it could be a dust somewhere?

Thanks a lot 
Lior, SHARONA A54 #18


A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Hello everybody

The A.M.F.A fresh water pump stop sometimes working. After I give a soft "kick" on the pressure switch, it start working again. It looks like that the switch sometime does not start after the pressure goes down and when it start, the pressure goes up slowly.
Does anyone has any advise? can you please write me what is the hi and low pressure that it should work? and how much I should pump the accumulator tank (and how to measure it) ? I think it could be a dust somewhere?

Thanks a lot 
Lior, SHARONA A54 #18


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

thanks for the input and Bill’s advice and diagrams.

Only 10A relays are available locally, so I have to wait 2 days for a 40A replacement relay to be sent.  I will put in a final note when it is working, including the brand of replacement relay and price.  I think this should be added to the spares list for the older Amels.

Regarding the addition of the breaker in the aft lazarette on the shore power, I was think of adding a 32A galvanic isolator there anyway.  Is there any combined product that could do both jobs that you suggest I could order?

Thanks
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Refueling from Deck

James Sterling
 

An auto siphon, also called a jigger will empty a 5 gallon container in less than a minute.  I would only dispense direct to tank with fuel I trust otherwise I'd pre-filter it through a Baha Filter.  It's a fast way to add on fuel while underway with no mess.