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Re: Haul out preparation - use of a dehumidifier

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi Lucy

An easy solution is to pull out the deep sensor and drain through this hole.

Leopold

YinYang SM 69  Samoa

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Am 06.08.2019 um 14:56 schrieb Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce@...>:

Hi 
We are going to haul out our Super Maramu 2000 for 3-4 months in Greneda.

We have been advised to use a dehumidifier to prevent mould/mildew because the boat will be watertight with no ventilation.

Is it alright to let the dehumidifier drain into the bilge pump and leave the power on to let the bilge pump run for 3 months?

Is there a better solution?

Thanks in advance
Lucy 


Re: Mango Sail sizes

Joerg Esdorn
 

Hi Gerry, I have owned a 55 for 4 years and sailed it some 9000 miles.   I’m not selling it. I think you should talk to real owners, rather than consultants or people interested in selling you something. I’m available if you want.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn 
A55, #53
Kincsem


Re: Haul out preparation - use of a dehumidifier

Matt Salatino
 

Set the dehumidifier on the galley counter. Drain it into the galley sink. Does the galley sink drain overboard, or into a grey water tank? If overboard, no problem. If into a tank, then you’ll need to accommodate a pump.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 5, 2019, at 9:56 PM, Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce@...> wrote:

Hi 
We are going to haul out our Super Maramu 2000 for 3-4 months in Greneda.

We have been advised to use a dehumidifier to prevent mould/mildew because the boat will be watertight with no ventilation.

Is it alright to let the dehumidifier drain into the bilge pump and leave the power on to let the bilge pump run for 3 months?

Is there a better solution?

Thanks in advance
Lucy 


Re: Haul out preparation - use of a dehumidifier

 

Lucy,

This is your first posting. Please add your model and hull number to your future postings, (example STARFISH SM 387)

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 9:59 PM Starfish via Groups.Io <lucyannepearce=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi 
We are going to haul out our Super Maramu 2000 for 3-4 months in Greneda.

We have been advised to use a dehumidifier to prevent mould/mildew because the boat will be watertight with no ventilation.

Is it alright to let the dehumidifier drain into the bilge pump and leave the power on to let the bilge pump run for 3 months?

Is there a better solution?

Thanks in advance
Lucy 


Haul out preparation - use of a dehumidifier

Lucy Pearce sv Starfish
 

Hi 
We are going to haul out our Super Maramu 2000 for 3-4 months in Greneda.

We have been advised to use a dehumidifier to prevent mould/mildew because the boat will be watertight with no ventilation.

Is it alright to let the dehumidifier drain into the bilge pump and leave the power on to let the bilge pump run for 3 months?

Is there a better solution?

Thanks in advance
Lucy 


Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Paul, 

You're running all of those appliances during your 12+ day intervals between running genset? 

I have 960w and can put in 200-250ah a day. I may upgrade and add another 400w on the bimini but I fear I'll just upgrade my usage too! 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Genoa car springs

Alan Leslie
 

The cars are Antal genoa cars 160mm long. I found similar in the Antal catalogue and the local Antal dealer was able to source the springs for that model
I don't know about anodising preventing corrosion, this stainless rod is well and truly stuck...it may have to stay that way.
Cheers
Alan
 SM437


Re: Amel is going lithium

Paul Brown
 

Hi,

As comment,

I am not so technically minded and have always been under knowledgeable when it comes to boat batterie systems and the carful management required in my 15 years of ownership with power boats and yachts.

Last year in April 2018 I purchased my first Amel, an A55#17 launched 2013 and in 2015 the owner upgraded the entire system to a lithium 720ah Mastervolt. With the purchase I gained a life changing experience, in the respect we constantly run the house down close to 20% before recharging by genset or underway and now I have upgraded the solar to Mastervolt management and Panasonic 550W panels, generally we can live on anchor 12+ days before recharge or making water or running Airconditioning or washing machine or sail for 4+ days using electric winches and navigation equipment constantly, which is very satisfactory I feel. I figure if I could double my solar I may not require additional generation of electricity and perhaps not require a genset at all, with some further modifications to the 220v appliances 

I look forward to what’s after lithium and would recommend mastervolt and their lithium and management systems

Of course this is only my experience and opinion 

Regards Paul - Fortuna II A55#17




On 5 Aug 2019, at 11:20 pm, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Dean,

I'll try to write something up over the next week or so. Honestly, I'm very particular about my battery bank since it wasn't cheap and I only get nervous when it goes below 25% state of charge. All the literature tells me that even at 20% SOC, you're going to get 2000 cycles out of your batteries, but my concern is that the reported SOC is a bit of an average. Each battery has 4 cells and I have 6 batteries, so if one of those 24 cells drops below 2.5v or so, it could damage that cell and hence the 4-cell battery irreversibly. The SOC number doesn't reflect individual cell voltages, only the bank as a whole.

Of course I have a BMS that monitors individual cells, but given the way an Amel is wired, even that solution isn't perfect. I will expand on that in my longer post explaining my system and the challenges I faced. But for me, to be safe, I start up the genset if the bank drops below 25%. 

I am considering adding an automatic trigger to start the genset at 25% state of charge and stop the genset at 75% SOC. But that presents other problems, so I'm hesitating. 

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Dean,

I'll try to write something up over the next week or so. Honestly, I'm very particular about my battery bank since it wasn't cheap and I only get nervous when it goes below 25% state of charge. All the literature tells me that even at 20% SOC, you're going to get 2000 cycles out of your batteries, but my concern is that the reported SOC is a bit of an average. Each battery has 4 cells and I have 6 batteries, so if one of those 24 cells drops below 2.5v or so, it could damage that cell and hence the 4-cell battery irreversibly. The SOC number doesn't reflect individual cell voltages, only the bank as a whole.

Of course I have a BMS that monitors individual cells, but given the way an Amel is wired, even that solution isn't perfect. I will expand on that in my longer post explaining my system and the challenges I faced. But for me, to be safe, I start up the genset if the bank drops below 25%. 

I am considering adding an automatic trigger to start the genset at 25% state of charge and stop the genset at 75% SOC. But that presents other problems, so I'm hesitating. 

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Arno,

The small cycles don't really bother lithium. Granted this is only one biased source but I've seen plenty of other non-biased sources stating the same. 

https://gwl-power.tumblr.com/post/130701906811/faq-lifepo4-cycle-life-based-on-dod-the-graph

We typically try to go no lower than 70% DOD and that should get us thousands and thousands of cycles. That is over 10 years even as full time liveaboards.

One solution, which requires some experimentation, is to set lower absorption voltages. It's not super easy as lithium doesn't drop in voltage much as you draw them down or even when you have high current draws, for that matter. So it's hard to pick a voltage to get your target state of charge level. But based on my observations, if you set around 27.2V absorption on my Victron lifepo4 batteries, that should get you around 50-60% state of charge, near ideal for long term storage and hence the ideal "full" level when you're on shore power.



--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 
Edited

Porter,

I have the Duo and generally make water using the batteries. Something about running the genset, putting all that soot in the water and then sucking it up to make water makes me nervous! I run the water maker as 220v now and then to keep things from corroding from non-use.

How many Ah do you get a day from your wind generator on average? We get about 200-250AH a day from our solar panels and it's nearly enough. I'm at the point now where I worry that we're not using the genset enough and it'll develop problems from non-use.

But as they say, energy is like money. You think you'll be happy with X but then you get to X and you think, but if I only I had Y more, I would have enough. :)
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
www.svtengah.com


Re: Amel is going lithium

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Scott,
There is no doubt that Lithium is the future direction, so it’s great to see Amel moving that way. 
I would personally love to see a write up on your installation for the 54. It’s great to see those little (and not so little!) practical improvements that you mention. 

As someone who gets concerned when my (AGM) bank drops under 85%, I can only imagine a world where I could (in theory) get 4 or 5 times the power from a full charge.

i wonder if Tuen Baas (Amelit) would also care to chime in here? I know that the previous owner of the 54 Amelit installed Lithium batteries, and I understand it did not work out, but I don’t know the exact reason. 

All great and interesting stuff!

Dean
SY Stella A54-154


Re: Genoa car springs

Miles
 

I need to replace the springs in my genoa car and your method of getting the bar out is encouraging.   Can you please let me know the size of the spring and were to get it?

Thanks and fair winds,

Miles

Sm 216 Ladybug, Newport Harbor, RI


Purchasing an Amel 55

 

Gerry,

I like all Amel models including the 55 and the 50 and 60. Most all are significantly different. .

You should contact me at bill@.... I offer Pre-Purchase consulting. I also offer one hour at no charge. Check out www.yachyscool.us

Bill Rouse

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 12:52 PM Gerry Filgiano <filgiano@...> wrote:
Hi, Bill,
I have joined the owners group forum as a prospective buyer of an Amel. 
I was chartering in Greece last month and was speaking with an owner of a 54. I am considering buying a 54 or a 55 and he mentioned that you have some reservations about the 55. Would you expand on that since I am leaning towards a55 and would hate to find out the hard way what the issues are.  Speaking with Boris at the Annapolis boat show a couple of years ago gave me the impression that the 55 was far superior but then again, he’s in the business of selling new boats. 
Do you have any thoughts on the topic?
Thanks very much,
Gerry Filgiano 


On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:31 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Need sail sizes for 1986 Mango with furling main. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Mango Sail sizes

Gerry Filgiano
 

Hi, Bill,
I have joined the owners group forum as a prospective buyer of an Amel. 
I was chartering in Greece last month and was speaking with an owner of a 54. I am considering buying a 54 or a 55 and he mentioned that you have some reservations about the 55. Would you expand on that since I am leaning towards a55 and would hate to find out the hard way what the issues are.  Speaking with Boris at the Annapolis boat show a couple of years ago gave me the impression that the 55 was far superior but then again, he’s in the business of selling new boats. 
Do you have any thoughts on the topic?
Thanks very much,
Gerry Filgiano 


On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:31 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Need sail sizes for 1986 Mango with furling main. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Mango Sail sizes

Gerry Filgiano
 

PS
I replied only to you since I understand that this would not be an acceptable discussion in the forum. 
Thanks 
Gerry Filgiano 


On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:59 AM, Gerry Filgiano <filgiano@...> wrote:

Hi, Bill,
I have joined the owners group forum as a prospective buyer of an Amel. 
I was chartering in Greece last month and was speaking with an owner of a 54. I am considering buying a 54 or a 55 and he mentioned that you have some reservations about the 55. Would you expand on that since I am leaning towards a55 and would hate to find out the hard way what the issues are.  Speaking with Boris at the Annapolis boat show a couple of years ago gave me the impression that the 55 was far superior but then again, he’s in the business of selling new boats. 
Do you have any thoughts on the topic?
Thanks very much,
Gerry Filgiano 


On Aug 5, 2019, at 10:31 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Need sail sizes for 1986 Mango with furling main. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA

Matt Salatino
 

Check with Chris Stanley, Starkist, on the Rio Dulce, Guatemala. Several there. Don’t know what’s for sale....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 5, 2019, at 12:06 PM, Will Marks <William.L.Marks@...> wrote:

Update -

Craig and Katherine Briggs of SN Sangaris very graciously offered to give my wife and I a tour of their boat in South Florida this past weekend. I'd like to publicly thank them for being exceptionally generous with their time and knowledge. They are fantastic ambassadors for Amel. I had no sooner set foot on deck before Craig had me rigging up one of the articulating poles and rolling out the genoa so that he could show me the ballooner and halyard retrieval system. Throughout the morning and afternoon, it would seem that Craig left no system on Sangaris unexplained. The average broker with money on the line wouldn't even have given as thorough a tour of a boat!

 

Seeing the boat in the flesh confirmed our suspicions that this is a design would serve our purposes well. A Santorin is now at the top of our short list. We are very much hoping that a well-kept one will come up for sale on this side of the Atlantic in the coming 6-9 months, as right now they appear to all be in Europe. If any forum members know of one that may be coming on to the market in the US or Caribbean, we would welcome the heads up.

 

Thanks again to Craig and Katherine.


Cheers,

Will Marks



Re: Genoa car springs

Patrick McAneny
 

Alan, I replaced my springs a year or so ago. My boat is a few years older than yours,and I had no problem getting the rod out , but I remember it came out differently than I imagined , but was obvious upon inspection.The block is anodized and I remember no corrosion . What I am having a problem with is getting the rod out of the hatches ,so to replace those big springs,they are corroded in place and will not budge .
Good Luck ,
Pat 
SM # 123


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 8:40 pm
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa car springs

I need to replace the springs in one of my Antal genoa cars.
The springs and block are attached to the car by a stainless rod that runs from fwd to aft and is dead ended at the aft end.
There is a split pin through a hole in the rod to prevent the rod from coming out.
I can't turn the rod to get the split pin out...and even if I could I doubt that I could get the rod out.
Has anyone done this before?
Any advice on how to remove that rod ?
Thanks
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA

Will Marks
 

Update -

Craig and Katherine Briggs of SN Sangaris very graciously offered to give my wife and I a tour of their boat in South Florida this past weekend. I'd like to publicly thank them for being exceptionally generous with their time and knowledge. They are fantastic ambassadors for Amel. I had no sooner set foot on deck before Craig had me rigging up one of the articulating poles and rolling out the genoa so that he could show me the ballooner and halyard retrieval system. Throughout the morning and afternoon, it would seem that Craig left no system on Sangaris unexplained. The average broker with money on the line wouldn't even have given as thorough a tour of a boat!

 

Seeing the boat in the flesh confirmed our suspicions that this is a design would serve our purposes well. A Santorin is now at the top of our short list. We are very much hoping that a well-kept one will come up for sale on this side of the Atlantic in the coming 6-9 months, as right now they appear to all be in Europe. If any forum members know of one that may be coming on to the market in the US or Caribbean, we would welcome the heads up.

 

Thanks again to Craig and Katherine.


Cheers,

Will Marks



Re: Spinnaker or parasailor

Joerg Esdorn
 

Hi Stefania, the A55 doesn't have the "horns" but that should not mean that you cannot have a Parasailor on your boat.  There are several SMs with "horns" and Parasailors so you should compare your setup to an SM.  I suspect it's not a problem but it all depends how your spinnaker halyard is run at the top of the mast.  Any spinnaker even a Code Zero should have the same issue as a Parasailor as regards the "horns".  As to the number of winches, you will need only 2 winches if you attach the Para to your forestay with an ATN tacker although even in that case we use another winch to tighten the barber hauler.  But that's not necessary for your boat - you could just use a block and tackle (Flaschenzug) or even a single line led to a cleat.  If, on the other hand, you run the para sailor with 2 sheets and 2 guys, you will need 2 winches on each side of your boat.  

As to manageability, the issue arises when you take the sail down because the wind has picked up too much.  Then it depends a bit on how fit you are.  I'm 64 but I'm very fit and have sailed for 50 years plus.  So I'm comfortable on the bow of my boat.  You will need on reasonably fit person to haul the bag into the boat (once the snuffer is down) and one person who can let the halyard down.  On the other hand, for your boat the Parasailor may be quite a bit smaller than the 175 m2 for the A55!  I hope this helps!  Cheers Joerg

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53
Kincsem