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Re: owner of SY Phantom

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Hello Paul 

is it not always so that always only the batteries are charged and all consumers are supplied via the battery ? 

I think it is also not possible otherwise, since the generator must switch off yes when the batteries are full. 

I also find the power of 5-7 A at 24 volt not so bad. 

have you tried to change the slope of the propeller, this is possible. 


yes I would be interested in a Swi Tec 

where is your location , what is your price and how about transport? 


Greeting Elja 

SM Balu 223


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Am 12.07.2019 um 00:45 schrieb Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>:

I  might be totally wrong in the below description, then enlighten me about charging, but both Swi-Tec and Watt & Sea, are programmed to charge batteries and not to feed the boats consumption, which has the strange consequence, that even when you consume a lot of power during sailing the hydro-generator only produce so much current as the batteries would take even if you where not consuming any energy. Don't ask me how it works but I talked with an owner of a Watt &Sea and he explained the issue for me but I can't repet the info, He was in contact with Watt & Sea who confirmed, they gave him info so he could reprogram his regulator, (out of my competence).

Both his experience and mine is they do not give as much as expected, when looking at the amp meter the current varies a lot jumping often between 5-8 Amps at speed around 6-7 knots  but seldom above 10 amps even at speed exceeding 8 kn.

Speed reductions is negligible.
but not the issue of cleaning the propeller from sea weed

Mounting; as I have a stern platform it was rather straight forward but do not see that it should be more difficult without the platform, I attache a few photos om my installation.
If someone is interested I would consider selling our Swi-Tec hydro-generator,, used less than 14 days
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Re: owner of SY Phantom

Joerg Esdorn
 

I have a W@S on my 55.  I use it for longer distances - overnight trips.  I find that together with wind generator and 400 W solar, the hydro covers all or almost all consumption with 2 fridges and a freezer and the autopilot running all the time.   I sometimes have to turn it off because the batteries are full. I have not re-programmed the regulator.  I have tried different size props and interestingly the smaller one seems to produce more current.  The one downside I have seen is that it needs to be on the leeward side except in very light reaching conditions.  Otherwise it will come out of the water.  So on the 55 you really need two because switching sides at sea is not possible.  


Re: B & G Depth sounder

Hajo Hille
 

Gary and Bill,

Thank you for your advice. I will have a look to the wires.
And Bill, sorry, Serafine doesn't fit in the CT. Greetings to Judy from me and Julia

Best regards
Hajo
SM 150 Serafine

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Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA

david bruce
 

Hi Will,  

We have a Santorin sloop, purchased in southern France, early model, SN006, but w an incredible investment by the former owner in the 3 yrs prior to our purchase, equal to cost of boat actually.  Having only coastal cruised so far we are really happy with the openness and simplicity of the sloop, but I can appreciate the comments regarding the balance of the rig, and I am adding a staysail stay to increase sail handling options, which would not be necessary with the ketch rig. (although several listed do have this modification i note). 

Regarding the aft berth, at 5’11” I do sleep a bit kitty cornered since I tend to have my arms under the pillow, which makes it a bit tight, if not for this it would be fine.  

Regarding purchasing in the Med, I would caution you of the logistical and financial implications of equipping the boat for your plans for long distance passage making, as very few boats in the Med are equipped as such.  We are faced with this, and the challenges include the exchange rate, the VAT, the language barriers, as well as varying levels of work ethic, shall we say,

  We are part time cruising at present and having work done in absentia is frought with potential hazards and expenses.  I am deciding where to have the bigger ticket items such as arch and solar array, install of SSB, auxiliary form of self steering, water maker done.  At present we are considering Turkey, but given the challenges we’ve had with even relatively minor type issues i am approaching all this with some trepidation.  

We do love the boat, it’s manageable, stable, comfortable, and safe. I do agree with Ian, that it’s a bit simpler than the SM, less expensive to buy and own, but a washing machine and stand up walk through to the aft cabin do have a certain appeal……. 

Good luck, I think you are making a great choice and if you have any questions feel free to contact me directly. 

Best regards,  Dave Bruce,  sv Liesse,  SN006




On Jul 11, 2019, at 2:40 PM, Scott Brown <sbrown@...> wrote:

Hi Will,

I’ve spent a couple of nights sleeping in the aft cabin of a Maramu, I’m 6 feet tall and found it quite comfortable. I’m assuming the Santorin dimensions are comparable but hopefully someone can verify this?

I’ve also heard of a few owners who have customised the aft cabin layout to incorporate a larger bed, so I’m sure there are ways to squeeze in taller owners :o)

Have you considered a Maramu? There are more on the market and they will often be lower in price than Santorin’s.

Aesthetically I prefer the sugar scoop rear of the Santorin but beyond this I think they are quite similar - anyone care to chime in with any other major differences between the two models?

Not sure if you have looked around a Super Maramu? If your budget can stretch, the additional space will be most welcome if you plan to have guests on board on a regular basis. If you plan to sail solo or as a couple, then the Santorin, Maramu or even the Sharki would be perfect. 

Good luck with your search.

Best wishes,

Scott



On 11 Jul 2019, at 17:29, Will Marks <William.L.Marks@...> wrote:

Hey Ian,
Thanks for the heads up about the aft berth. At 6'1" it may be a little tight, but I can't imagine ruling out the boat over that unless it totally egregious and I have to sleep in the fetal position. A very generous forum member has already emailed me with an offer to let us visit their boat in Florida, so will hopefully get a chance to find out for myself very soon.

The only Santorin that I have ever stepped aboard, circa 2009 in Carriacou, was owned by a rather tall German couple. I believe the boat was named Cayenne. Unless I am totally mis-remembering the gentleman's stature, it would suggest that they found a way to make it work. 

A much appreciated tip, either way.

-Will



seals

eric freedman
 

Hi,

Please send the seals to:

Eric Freedman

345 NY AVE.

Huntington, NY 11743

Kimberlite@...

631-423-2000.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Venegas via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:54 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] The Bow thruster seals are in

 

Below is the list of Amel owners that asked me to order the special seals, please let me know if I missed anyone.  Although some of you have already sent me the info via different means, I need to make sure I got the data for each one in the same format.  Thus, I will appreciate if you can e-mail me from your personal e-mail directly to my personal e-mail  (josegvenegas@...)  with the topic "Seals" including the following information in the same order:  
Name to be shipped to 
Address
e-mail
phone number

Sorry about the redundant work but I did not realize I would have so many requests and the shipment/payment is becoming more than I bargained for.  I will be exploring different ways to delegate the shipment.  Once I have your data I will proceed to inform you about the payment method

Jose
Ipanema SM2K 278

Bob Ross (1 set) 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, (2 sets)

Chuck_Kim_Joy (1 sets)

Steve Davis Aloha (2 sets)

Mark, Cream Puff (3 sets)

Dan Taylor (2 sets)

Gerald Bassin Jetlag, SM113 (2 sets)

Kent Robertson S/V Kristy (2 sets)

Pat McAneny  (1 set)

Ian Jenkins,  (2 sets) 

Pat McAneny  14109 3rd. Ave.  Kennedyville, Md.21645  (1 set)

Eric Kimberlite (2 sets)

Andre Kaplan (1 set)


Re: Grohe faucet replacement

karkauai
 

You are correct about the adapter needed, 3/8” NPT to 3/8” compression fitting.  I just put a new faucet in my forward head and got the adapters at Home Depot.  The faucet had a seal that didn’t require the interior parts of the compression fitting.

When I did this last winter changing out my galley faucet, the adapter package labeled as what I wanted had been packaged with the wrong parts.  I’d take the parts with you and make sure you get what you think you’re getting.

Kent & Iris
Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 11, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

First of all, I am not a plumber. 
However, we just replaced the original kitchen faucet with a US brand Comllen. The threads on the boat galley pipes are pipe thread. Not sure exactly what was on the new faucet, but an adapter readily available at the local hardware store (US) did the trick.
If I could get it to work, then almost anyone can. By the way, the new faucet is great, spray option and the end pulls out about 18 inches. Don’t know why we didn’t replace it years ago, makes washing dishes so much easier. 
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Long Island Sound


On Jul 11, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Before I buy anything I want to be sure I understand the connection issues. If I buy a Grohe faucet in the US I can install it on my boat without an adapter if I use the supply lines already in my boat. If I use the Grohe supplied lines that come with the faucet, I need an adapter because they would be 3/8 inch NPT vs 3/8 inch BSPT. Is this correct or am I totally missing it ?


Re: owner of SY Phantom

Paul Osterberg
 

I  might be totally wrong in the below description, then enlighten me about charging, but both Swi-Tec and Watt & Sea, are programmed to charge batteries and not to feed the boats consumption, which has the strange consequence, that even when you consume a lot of power during sailing the hydro-generator only produce so much current as the batteries would take even if you where not consuming any energy. Don't ask me how it works but I talked with an owner of a Watt &Sea and he explained the issue for me but I can't repet the info, He was in contact with Watt & Sea who confirmed, they gave him info so he could reprogram his regulator, (out of my competence).

Both his experience and mine is they do not give as much as expected, when looking at the amp meter the current varies a lot jumping often between 5-8 Amps at speed around 6-7 knots  but seldom above 10 amps even at speed exceeding 8 kn.

Speed reductions is negligible.
but not the issue of cleaning the propeller from sea weed

Mounting; as I have a stern platform it was rather straight forward but do not see that it should be more difficult without the platform, I attache a few photos om my installation.
If someone is interested I would consider selling our Swi-Tec hydro-generator,, used less than 14 days


Re: Manual Outhaul system

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

OK Paul, I thought you had attached a block at the outer end in one of the notched hook cutouts or to the tang the topping lift is attached to. Thats what I did. (notched cutouts) Since things always go wrong at the worst possible time the saving in time by not removing the endless cord may be useful. However if the length of time it was to be in place is significant it is a neater solution. I did the process early in my ownership before I discovered how often brushes worn or sticking caused the motor to malfunction, and how quick and simple it is to deal with. In any event mine was in place breifly.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl 

On 12 July 2019 at 10:18 Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:


Dan: You must detach the out haul line as the block at the outer end of the boom is used
Ian by using the secondary winch in the cockpit you can maneuver the out-haul from the cockpit, actually it is very convenient, an added benefit there is no slip which can occur sometimes in very strong wind.  
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Manual Outhaul system

Paul Osterberg
 


Dan: You must detach the out haul line as the block at the outer end of the boom is used
Ian by using the secondary winch in the cockpit you can maneuver the out-haul from the cockpit, actually it is very convenient, an added benefit there is no slip which can occur sometimes in very strong wind.  
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Grohe faucet replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, I went to our local hardware store Mitre 10 in Kaitaia (pop 5000) in the far north of New Zealand and off the shelf got a faucet identical in every respect to the original. Mine had the pull out function. Incredible I thought, instaled in France year 2000. replaced with identical from Kaitaia year 2016.

RFegards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 12 July 2019 at 07:43 Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

First of all, I am not a plumber. 
However, we just replaced the original kitchen faucet with a US brand Comllen. The threads on the boat galley pipes are pipe thread. Not sure exactly what was on the new faucet, but an adapter readily available at the local hardware store (US) did the trick.
If I could get it to work, then almost anyone can. By the way, the new faucet is great, spray option and the end pulls out about 18 inches. Don’t know why we didn’t replace it years ago, makes washing dishes so much easier. 
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Long Island Sound

 

On Jul 11, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Thomas Kleman < lorient422@...> wrote:

Before I buy anything I want to be sure I understand the connection issues. If I buy a Grohe faucet in the US I can install it on my boat without an adapter if I use the supply lines already in my boat. If I use the Grohe supplied lines that come with the faucet, I need an adapter because they would be 3/8 inch NPT vs 3/8 inch BSPT. Is this correct or am I totally missing it ?


 


 


Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA

Scott Brown
 

Hi Will,

I’ve spent a couple of nights sleeping in the aft cabin of a Maramu, I’m 6 feet tall and found it quite comfortable. I’m assuming the Santorin dimensions are comparable but hopefully someone can verify this?

I’ve also heard of a few owners who have customised the aft cabin layout to incorporate a larger bed, so I’m sure there are ways to squeeze in taller owners :o)

Have you considered a Maramu? There are more on the market and they will often be lower in price than Santorin’s.

Aesthetically I prefer the sugar scoop rear of the Santorin but beyond this I think they are quite similar - anyone care to chime in with any other major differences between the two models?

Not sure if you have looked around a Super Maramu? If your budget can stretch, the additional space will be most welcome if you plan to have guests on board on a regular basis. If you plan to sail solo or as a couple, then the Santorin, Maramu or even the Sharki would be perfect. 

Good luck with your search.

Best wishes,

Scott



On 11 Jul 2019, at 17:29, Will Marks <William.L.Marks@...> wrote:

Hey Ian,
Thanks for the heads up about the aft berth. At 6'1" it may be a little tight, but I can't imagine ruling out the boat over that unless it totally egregious and I have to sleep in the fetal position. A very generous forum member has already emailed me with an offer to let us visit their boat in Florida, so will hopefully get a chance to find out for myself very soon.

The only Santorin that I have ever stepped aboard, circa 2009 in Carriacou, was owned by a rather tall German couple. I believe the boat was named Cayenne. Unless I am totally mis-remembering the gentleman's stature, it would suggest that they found a way to make it work.

A much appreciated tip, either way.

-Will


Re: owner of SY Phantom

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Paul,

Can you make a picture to show how it is attached to the boat. How much Amp does it provide? Do you notice a speed difference?

Kind regards,

Arno Luijten


Re: Grohe faucet replacement

Thomas Peacock
 

First of all, I am not a plumber. 
However, we just replaced the original kitchen faucet with a US brand Comllen. The threads on the boat galley pipes are pipe thread. Not sure exactly what was on the new faucet, but an adapter readily available at the local hardware store (US) did the trick.
If I could get it to work, then almost anyone can. By the way, the new faucet is great, spray option and the end pulls out about 18 inches. Don’t know why we didn’t replace it years ago, makes washing dishes so much easier. 
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Long Island Sound


On Jul 11, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Before I buy anything I want to be sure I understand the connection issues. If I buy a Grohe faucet in the US I can install it on my boat without an adapter if I use the supply lines already in my boat. If I use the Grohe supplied lines that come with the faucet, I need an adapter because they would be 3/8 inch NPT vs 3/8 inch BSPT. Is this correct or am I totally missing it ?


Re: Manual Outhaul system

Ian Park
 

Nice system Paul. Why did you not use the main mast winch to haul the sail instead of the lead back to the cockpit? Or maybe it’s better if it is just the outhaul that has stopped working then you can reach the inhaul switch....,,,


Grohe faucet replacement

Thomas Kleman
 

Before I buy anything I want to be sure I understand the connection issues. If I buy a Grohe faucet in the US I can install it on my boat without an adapter if I use the supply lines already in my boat. If I use the Grohe supplied lines that come with the faucet, I need an adapter because they would be 3/8 inch NPT vs 3/8 inch BSPT. Is this correct or am I totally missing it ?


Re: Manual Outhaul system

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul and Ellen. I like Pauls set up in that it is totally adjustable from the cockpit, perfect. I can add a level of simplicity. You do not need to remove the endless Amel outhaul line. Just remove the locating bolt in the top of the front wheel and it will spin free of the motor.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 12 July 2019 at 01:15 Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Ellen!
there is a rather easy way to set up a convenient back up system, i have been forced to do that two times.
Mount a block at the connection where the boom and mast meets. Take a line to the block at the back end of the bom and attache it to the sail, the other end you take to a block at the rail and lead it back to the cockpit, see attached photos, Maybe you do not like the way I attached the block at the boom base, the pictures are from my first attempt I have tried different ways, you can experiment what you find suits you, I use soft chakle .
the set up work very well.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 in Horta
 


Re: B & G Depth sounder

 

Hajo,

If the depth sounder transducer is original, it is old enough to need replacing because it is beyond its average life. I have seen these act up, before eventually failing completely. Send me an X-Ray image I will will diagnose further. 😀😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 10:33 AM Hajo Hille <amw08@...> wrote:
Hi Amelians,

I have a problem with the Depth Sounder, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. So it is not really broken. I had cleaned the surface, but it is still the same.

Any ideas ?

Thanks in advance

Hajo
SM 150 Serafine
Leros


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Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA

Craig Briggs
 

Will, 
I don't remember all the details but some years ago we met another Santorin owner in the Med who had extended the aft berth with a "foot-well" into the aft locker area. I recall he was a cabinet maker and it was a good looking "Amel-like" job that did not seem to compromise anything structural and retained the water-tight aft lazarette, albeit making that a bit smaller.

We modified ours at one point with a filler piece of plywood and a couple of supports that gave us athwartship sleeping.  That gave a very long berth that was comfy in a roll. I had engineered it to be changeable at will so now we have three possible layouts: 1. Two separate berths; 2. one single to starboard and a double to port; and 3. an extra long, extra wide athwartship "king" size berth.

Lotsa ways to skin a cat.  

Cheers,
Craig Briggs SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA

David Wallace
 

The owners of Cayenne, Hannes and Sabine (from Austria) are both tall and I don't ever remember hearing them complain about the aft cabin headroom. Their boat is now in Australia and they are home in Austria for a time. I'll ask them to get in touch with you.


On Jul 11, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Will Marks <William.L.Marks@...> wrote:

Hey Ian,
Thanks for the heads up about the aft berth. At 6'1" it may be a little tight, but I can't imagine ruling out the boat over that unless it totally egregious and I have to sleep in the fetal position. A very generous forum member has already emailed me with an offer to let us visit their boat in Florida, so will hopefully get a chance to find out for myself very soon.

The only Santorin that I have ever stepped aboard, circa 2009 in Carriacou, was owned by a rather tall German couple. I believe the boat was named Cayenne. Unless I am totally mis-remembering the gentleman's stature, it would suggest that they found a way to make it work.

A much appreciated tip, either way.

-Will


Re: B & G Depth Sounder

Gary Silver
 

Hello Hajo:

My SM #335 has the depth sounder wired to the B & G Hydra 2000 computer at the nav station with orange/white wire going to terminal 30 and orange/green wire going to terminal 29.  These are solder tinned wires that fit under a clamping terminal strip.  If yours is similar you might look at those connections for any signs of oxidation or corrosion.  Perhaps treat the terminals with Corrosion X after inspecting them.  Any signs of cable chafe or other intermittency in the cabling (excessive bends etc)?  I do not believe there is a connector at the transducer but I don't recall for sure, if there is one then an inspection of the pins and sockets of such would be helpful.  Clean up those contacts if they exist. 

All the best, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona    Amel SM 2000 # 335