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Re: wind data to Raymarine ST 6000

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Gary,

The plot thickens, all very interesting. At the end of the process, if the view is that the response of the autopilot to wind shifts is too slow to be practical I see no point in the exercise.  I have the wind data I need to see on the B&G  displays, which is enough. 

However

It is interesting this whole exercise. When I fitted a new speedo, I looked at various options but Richard at Tinley electronics advised me to go for the paddle wheel as the “Baud rate” is important for updating the speed data so that true wind is calculated accurately. He said that some other speedo’s would be slower to update the processor……etc etc. I suspect that the wind data to the autopilot needs to be at the correct Baud Rate for it all to work well.

On my last boat I had B&G system Hydra 2000 system and B&G autopilot. I could set it to steer say 35 degrees to the apparent wind and she would helm the boat up wind following every lift or header. Or run square downwind without gybing accidentally.

 I may well try splicing or actually just sharing some terminals for the FFD NMEA output that become processor input terminals on the processor to the Auto input and see what happens.

Thank you for the information. It looks like I will have to play around and see what I get.

Best

Nick
Amelia AML 54-019 La Palma

On 14 Apr 2019, at 13:33, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:

Hi Nick:  What I have to say applies to my 2001 vintage B & G 2000 FFD (full function display), B & G Hydra 2000 processor, and Raymarine ST7000+ autopilot.  I am going from my Cadd drawings from 18 years ago. NOTE:  There evidently are NMEA FFDs and non-NMEA FFDs 

There is a nine conductor cable that runs from the NMEA FFD to the Hydra processor.  In my case the NMEA wires were NOT connected to anything at the Hydra processor.   Amel had hooked up the supplied Furuno GPS to the Hydra NMEA processor Inputs, but there were no other NMEA inputs connected.  

In that 9 conductor cable from the NMEA FFD the violet (NMEA Output Signal) and black (Ground) wires are the NMEA OUT from the FFD, and the brown (NMEA Input Signal) and blue (NMEA Input Return) are the NMEA input TO the FFD.  My confusion at the time was because there are NMEA terminals on the Hydra processor but they are hooked up to the Amel installed Furuno GPS only.   I spoke to Pochon (Amel's electronics sub-contractor) shortly after the the time we took delivery of the boat and they instructed me to hook things up the way I did, that being,  splicing wires to the violet, black, brown and blue wires and running the NMEA out and NMEA in (from the FFD) to the auto-pilot computer. I do have a note that the NMEA shields should ONLY BE GROUNDED AT THE TRANSMITTING END OF THE CABLE. 


 Based on aviation ARINC 429 data bus (similar to NMEA data bus) NMEA data wires can be paralleled, so I think in retrospect it should have been possible to have those NMEA wires from the FFD go to the pins 21/22 and 26/27 of the Hydra, I am not sure why Amel didn't hook it up that way. 

In my case I ran two, 2-conductor twisted pair shielded aviation grade tefzel wires from the Hydra and ran them to the autopilot computer NMEA input and output lugs.  It has been 18 years since I did this but I vaguely remember that there was some sort of setting in the FFD programming or perhaps it was at the autopilot,  that had to be set (something like a node designation) or something.  

Joel at the time told me, and my experience has born this out, that winds can change too dramatically to allow the auto-pilot to steer to the wind (a squall comes, the boat jibes and damage is done).  So I only display the relative wind at the helm and use the heading mode of the Auto Pilot to actually do the steering. 

I hope this gives you some clues and doesn't further muddy the waters. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335 (2001)
Puerto Rico


Re: wind data to Raymarine ST 6000

Gary Silver
 

Hi Nick:  What I have to say applies to my 2001 vintage B & G 2000 FFD (full function display), B & G Hydra 2000 processor, and Raymarine ST7000+ autopilot.  I am going from my Cadd drawings from 18 years ago. NOTE:  There evidently are NMEA FFDs and non-NMEA FFDs 

There is a nine conductor cable that runs from the NMEA FFD to the Hydra processor.  In my case the NMEA wires were NOT connected to anything at the Hydra processor.   Amel had hooked up the supplied Furuno GPS to the Hydra NMEA processor Inputs, but there were no other NMEA inputs connected.  

In that 9 conductor cable from the NMEA FFD the violet (NMEA Output Signal) and black (Ground) wires are the NMEA OUT from the FFD, and the brown (NMEA Input Signal) and blue (NMEA Input Return) are the NMEA input TO the FFD.  My confusion at the time was because there are NMEA terminals on the Hydra processor but they are hooked up to the Amel installed Furuno GPS only.   I spoke to Pochon (Amel's electronics sub-contractor) shortly after the the time we took delivery of the boat and they instructed me to hook things up the way I did, that being,  splicing wires to the violet, black, brown and blue wires and running the NMEA out and NMEA in (from the FFD) to the auto-pilot computer. I do have a note that the NMEA shields should ONLY BE GROUNDED AT THE TRANSMITTING END OF THE CABLE. 


 Based on aviation ARINC 429 data bus (similar to NMEA data bus) NMEA data wires can be paralleled, so I think in retrospect it should have been possible to have those NMEA wires from the FFD go to the pins 21/22 and 26/27 of the Hydra, I am not sure why Amel didn't hook it up that way. 

In my case I ran two, 2-conductor twisted pair shielded aviation grade tefzel wires from the Hydra and ran them to the autopilot computer NMEA input and output lugs.  It has been 18 years since I did this but I vaguely remember that there was some sort of setting in the FFD programming or perhaps it was at the autopilot,  that had to be set (something like a node designation) or something.  

Joel at the time told me, and my experience has born this out, that winds can change too dramatically to allow the auto-pilot to steer to the wind (a squall comes, the boat jibes and damage is done).  So I only display the relative wind at the helm and use the heading mode of the Auto Pilot to actually do the steering. 

I hope this gives you some clues and doesn't further muddy the waters. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335 (2001)
Puerto Rico

Re: wind data to Raymarine ST 6000

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your response.

I am going to the boat on 25th April so will check, but I think that I tried Terminal 21/22 and 22/23 in the autumn when I was last on the boat, and it did not send wind data to the Autopilot. However I will try again.

Tinley electronics said that I would need a FFD NMEA or their MFD but my photo of the back of my display says that it is NMEA FFD. So it should work.  Is there a difference between mine and the one you might have for sale? 


Best

Nick
Amelia La Palma AML 54-019

 

On 14 Apr 2019, at 11:26, Peter Jaeger via Groups.Io <mallamok@...> wrote:

Dear Nick
I assume you have a Hydra 2000 Processor and you connected the Autopilot NMEA Input port to the NMEA Output 1 of the B&G Processor on Terminal 21/22 or 22/23 for NMEA Output 2 (see screenshot from manual).
That should work. If you have a possibility to read the NMEA datastream (6.6.2. on Screenshot), you can check if you find the wind and speed data the autopilot needs. 
If it does not work I will have an FFD NMEA for sale, I will be on the boat on Eastern and be able to send it.
Best regards
Peter 
SY Wilson SM003 La Rochell

Re: wind data to Raymarine ST 6000

Peter Jaeger
 

Herer is the attachment, Chapter 6.6.2 out of the User Manual

Re: wind data to Raymarine ST 6000

Peter Jaeger
 

Dear Nick
I assume you have a Hydra 2000 Processor and you connected the Autopilot NMEA Input port to the NMEA Output 1 of the B&G Processor on Terminal 21/22 or 22/23 for NMEA Output 2 (see screenshot from manual).
That should work. If you have a possibility to read the NMEA datastream (6.6.2. on Screenshot), you can check if you find the wind and speed data the autopilot needs. 
If it does not work I will have an FFD NMEA for sale, I will be on the boat on Eastern and be able to send it.
Best regards
Peter 
SY Wilson SM003 La Rochell

wind data to Raymarine ST 6000

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hello fellow Amel owners. I still have not managed to get the Raymarine to steer to wind. I will be single handing up to Madeira and it is likely to be upwind, so having the autopilot follow the wind shifts would be handy.

On the back of the Raymarine Control head is NMEA input terminal with just one +ve and one -ve.

On the B&G display which is FFD NMEA as shown on the photo there is no NMEA output. So presumably the connection must be in the PROCESSOR. 

I have  run a cable from the Raymarine control head to the chart table and tried various connections in the processor using the manual as a guide but to no avail.

I emailed Tinley Electronics in the UK who want to sell me a Multi Funcion Display (MFD for over £1000). I am reluctant to do that. They say that only some displays will support this, but as shown in the photo this is a  NMEA FFD.

Does anyone know if I can simply connect the Raymarine NMEA Input to the B&G processor, if so to what terminals?

Nick

S/Y Amelia Aml 54 -019 La Palma preparing to sail to Corfu.

Re: Insurance update US East Coast & Bahamas- Pantaenius US

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Just curious if anyone has had any claims experience with Novamar?  How well do they follow-up and how quickly do they pay?
--
Mark & Debbie Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: Insurance update US East Coast & Bahamas- Pantaenius US

James Cromie
 

Hi Duane -. I am wondering what deductible you have for your policy.  
I'm also considering Novamar. 

Thanks. 
James

Soteria 347
Culebra


On Apr 13, 2019 11:30, "Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io" <carlylelk@...> wrote:
I just recently signed up with Novamar thru the broker Mark on Cream Puff recommended.  For $360,000 agreed value including dinghy and $10,000 in personal goods, with coverage including Grenada for hurricane season the premium was $5,054.  I submitted my own storm plan for storage on shore using one of the Grenada marinas description, and it was accepted.  The broker said it was easy to change the storm plan in the event we have it at a dock.

The navigation limits were:

Navigation: U.S. Atlantic and Gulf coastal waters and inland waters thereto of the United States between Eastport, ME and
Brownsville, Texas, including the Bahamas and waters of the Caribbean Sea, excluding the waters of Cuba, Haiti, and
Venezuela. It is warranted between 1 July and 1 November, navigation is restricted to either north of St. Mary’s, GA or south of
12 degrees 40 minutes North Latitude.

Re: Anchor Chain Size and Length

Theo s/v Paloma
 
Edited

Thank you Jean-Pierre.

I spent 3 seasons in the S. Pacific with my previous boat, Lagoon 450. I used NZ for off season, which was ideal. I had an unforgettable time... I plan to go again with my A50. I found catamarans to be miserable, but safe, in rough ocean. They are best on anchor.

I also went through some of the strongest storms I've ever experienced. I had a 35 kg Manson Supreme for my 450 and I only dragged once in Opua because of the river mud bottom. So, I'm hoping that the 45kg Ultra will be at least comparable. The 450 has much more windage .I'm glad you like your Ultra. I've read good things about them.

Enjoy the S. Pacific. It's amazing there.

Theo
Paloma
2019 A50 #18

Re: Insurance update US East Coast & Bahamas- Pantaenius US

Duane Siegfri
 

I just recently signed up with Novamar thru the broker Mark on Cream Puff recommended.  For $360,000 agreed value including dinghy and $10,000 in personal goods, with coverage including Grenada for hurricane season the premium was $5,054.  I submitted my own storm plan for storage on shore using one of the Grenada marinas description, and it was accepted.  The broker said it was easy to change the storm plan in the event we have it at a dock.

The navigation limits were:

Navigation: U.S. Atlantic and Gulf coastal waters and inland waters thereto of the United States between Eastport, ME and
Brownsville, Texas, including the Bahamas and waters of the Caribbean Sea, excluding the waters of Cuba, Haiti, and
Venezuela. It is warranted between 1 July and 1 November, navigation is restricted to either north of St. Mary’s, GA or south of
12 degrees 40 minutes North Latitude.

Re: SM Chain Counter

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Our original Amel chain counter had always worked perfect till we arrived in the Caribbean. I tried everything to fix it myself to no avail then asked Amel here in Martinique who put me onto Pouchon Electronics at Le Marin marina who are the only shop in the Caribbean to hold the replacement sensors.

280 euros and 20mins job by them and our Amel chain counter is like new again.

We also replaced our old chain here with 110m of new top grade French manufactured 10mm P30 chain for just 750 Euro.

As others commented here this is avai5 at Le Ship Chanderly at Le Marin which seems like the best place by far for Amel bits and pieces. 

Colin & Lauren
SV Island Pearl II #332
St Anne's anchorage

On Sat, 13 Apr. 2019, 08:24 Craig Briggs via Groups.Io, <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
HEAR! HEAR!

Re: Dominican Republic

Thomas Kleman
 

We've been to Samana twice and also Luperon. It definitely feels like a police state and this is the last place in the Caribbean I would want to have a problem with customs. The Army, Navy, immigration, and others inspected and asked/demanded bribes. The marina in samana is quite nice but we only went there out of logistical necessity......

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422

Re: SM Chain Counter

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

HEAR! HEAR!

Re: Greasing autoprop

michael winand
 

Nebo is sm251 we have the open bearings. 

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 4:05 pm, ahmet kipcak
<ahmetkipcak@...> wrote:

Hello Olivier,

Thanks for info,as you said my one is previous model without greasing nipple. I got an maintance instruction from Bruntons which will be very helpfull for me.I will forward email came from Bruntons.


Best tehatds

Ahmet KİPCAK






Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> şunları yazdı (1 Nis 2019 19:58):

Hello Ahmet,

I checked SM 246 and it had an AUTOPROP with open bearings, so, you probably have the same kind. Unlike the later models, which have sealed bearings with steel balls, your prop has stainless steel balls on open tracks. Although they don't really need it, you may grease these balls from the outside. This will prevent too much scaling on the balls.
If you feel the bearings make a grinding noise, then it's time to replace the balls and tracks, which you can order from Brunton's. The stainless steel balls don't stand wear as much as the steel ones (which rust, nobody's perfect, that's why they are sealed with grease nipples for renewing the grease).
No grease nipples on the first model of the Autoprop.

Good luck.

FYI (everybody) hull #259 has an Autoprop with sealed bearings, the change is around 250.

Olivier

On Monday, April 1, 2019, 4:25:19 PM GMT+2, ahmet kipcak <ahmetkipcak@...> wrote:


Dear all,
Thanks for your valuable feedback, As BilI said my one seems to be an old model, I will contact with Mr David from Bruntons.

Ahmet KİPCAK
SM247
Cesme/Izmir




Brent Cameron <brentcameron61@...> şunları yazdı (1 Nis 2019 16:38):

The new forum with its ability to easily embed pictures into your posts as Mark has done to answer Ahmet's excellent question is a vast improvement.  It makes it so much easier for everyone to understand the topic in context.  It's been said many times now but kudos to all of the moderators for making this happen - especially as seamlessly as they did! 
--
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada

Re: SM Chain Counter

 

Ryan,

Amel owners should never admit to the use of duct tape. 😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 6:11 PM Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...> wrote:
Hi Tom,

I don't know how the stock chain counter works, but I was able to fix the one on our boat (I don't think it's original) by duct taping a magnet to the windlass.  I'm unsure if the original magnet fell off or just lost its magnetism, there's just a tiny rusty insert where it should be. The sensor was fine.  What makes you think there is a short in your sensor?  If you're just looking at the output of the sensor with a voltmeter while the windlass is running, it's possible the pulse is happening too fast for the meter to react.  You might want to try using an oscilloscope if you haven't already.

I think it's unlikely your new sensor will hurt anything, since it will be providing the same signals as the existing one -- just with opposite duty cycle.  You may find that it works perfectly if the display is edge-triggered rather than level-triggered, as I suspect it is.  if you do find you need to invert the signal, it should be possible by adding a relay. The exact way to wire it up will depend on specifics of your system.

Good luck,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Southport, NC, USA


On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 12:59 PM Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
I am in the process of trying to fix our chain counter, which has not worked since we purchased the boat several years ago.
Troubleshooting thus far points to a probable short in the sensor up by the windlass.
I have purchased a nearly identical new sensor; the only difference is the old sensor is "normally closed", while the new sensor is "normally open".
Anyone have any thoughts on whether the different open/closed setting will make a difference?

Thanks as always to all on this invaluable forum.

Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
St Augustine, Florida, soon to depart for the Cheseapeake

Re: SM Chain Counter

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Tom,

I don't know how the stock chain counter works, but I was able to fix the one on our boat (I don't think it's original) by duct taping a magnet to the windlass.  I'm unsure if the original magnet fell off or just lost its magnetism, there's just a tiny rusty insert where it should be. The sensor was fine.  What makes you think there is a short in your sensor?  If you're just looking at the output of the sensor with a voltmeter while the windlass is running, it's possible the pulse is happening too fast for the meter to react.  You might want to try using an oscilloscope if you haven't already.

I think it's unlikely your new sensor will hurt anything, since it will be providing the same signals as the existing one -- just with opposite duty cycle.  You may find that it works perfectly if the display is edge-triggered rather than level-triggered, as I suspect it is.  if you do find you need to invert the signal, it should be possible by adding a relay. The exact way to wire it up will depend on specifics of your system.

Good luck,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Southport, NC, USA


On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 12:59 PM Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
I am in the process of trying to fix our chain counter, which has not worked since we purchased the boat several years ago.
Troubleshooting thus far points to a probable short in the sensor up by the windlass.
I have purchased a nearly identical new sensor; the only difference is the old sensor is "normally closed", while the new sensor is "normally open".
Anyone have any thoughts on whether the different open/closed setting will make a difference?

Thanks as always to all on this invaluable forum.

Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
St Augustine, Florida, soon to depart for the Cheseapeake

Re: Updated Event: Amel Yacht Owners Rally - Martinique April 7 - April 13 - Sunday, 7 April 2019 #cal-invite

 

It really was a great time with lots of things provided by the sponsors. All of the sponsors want to do it again with the same or increased investment. The marina told me that they will sponsor a bus tour of Martinique next time. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 11:47 PM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
Yes, agreed. We are so pleased to have been able to make it.

What a wonderful event and opportunity to meet Bill and so many other good folk we have been communicating with on the forum over the past 7 years from Australia.

In addition Island Pearl II won the lucky dip draw for one of Bill's extremely comprehensive yacht school Manuals last night.

What an excellent publication with such clear instructions and advice on every single aspect of maintaining and improving an Amel. Found it hard to put it down after dinner last night when I discovered it even covered so clearly a number of NMEA information accrdd tips we just happen to be grabling with right now in terms of linkage with OpenCPN.

Well done Bill and thank you all.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Martinique.


On Thu, 11 Apr. 2019, 15:47 Joe Nance, <cloudstreet100@...> wrote:
I would just like to say what a wonderful time Tracie & I had at last
night's Amel Rally/Mango Bay dinner!

Many thanks to Bill, Mango Bay & all of the sponsors who put on an
incredible feast & handed out some wonderful gifts.  I am only sorry
that I did not get to meet everyone there.

Tracie & I would like to make a trip to the L'Habitation Clement
grounds in the next few days if any of you are interested in sharing a
car with us.

I think is was a huge success & would think this is the truly the
'First' of many Amel Rally gatherings.  And it aint over yet!

Joe

On 3/19/19, main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Calendar
<main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> wrote:
> Updated "Amel Yacht Owners Rally - Martinique April 7 - April 13" Event
>
> When:  Sunday, 7 April 2019 through Saturday, 13 April 2019
>
>
> Where: Martinique du Marin
>
>
> Organizer: brouse@... +1(832) 380-4970
>
> Description: *Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally Rendezvous Location: *
> *Martinique*
>
> (
> https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qBP1UDLG0TU/XI-qVOtMndI/AAAAAAAAYSU/i-1o5hB8va0mkw0UfVzSE_y3zRbSA8JDQCLcBGAs/s1600/Marina%2BMarin%2Bfd%2Bblanc%2BRVB.jpg
> ) *7-13 April du Marin *
> *la Marina du Marin* is offering a berth package at 170€ per boat for 6
> days:
>    Berth from Sunday 7th April PM to Friday 12th April PM
>    Electricity included
>    Wifi 40Go (1 ticket of 40Go per boat)
>    Water is not included. The price water is 9€ per cubic meter.
>    A welcome gift from the marina
> To take advantage of this offer, you must reserve with the marina before 22
> March. Email: contact@... Phone: +596 596 74 83 83
> *Wednesday 10 April* - 1930 dinner at Mango Bay with a drawing for a haulout
> at Carenantilies Yard. Dinner sponsored by Caraibe Marine, Wine or Beer by
> Caribbean Yacht Sales. There will also be drawings for several of the "Amel
> Books."
> *Saturday 13 April * - St. Anne anchorage pot luck lunch/dinner
> * *
> *Optional stops meet & greet:*
> *Heading south to Martinique:* BVI- Virgin Gorda Anchorage at 18 30.3190 N
> 064 22.3573 W Mar 31- Apr 2
> St, Martin Anchorage or Marina to be determined April 3-5
>
> *Heading south from Martinique for hurricane season:*
> *Bequia Admiralty Bay* Anchorage Apr 22-24
>     - Tuesday April 23rd - Welcome drinks at the Frangipani Hotel (time to
> be announced)
>
> Grenada Anchorage and Marina to be determined Apr 28-30
> Chaguaramas, Trinidad (Tentative) May 2-???
>
>
>  I will keep you posted and will add to the website (
> https://theamelschool.blogspot.com/p/amel-eastern-caribbean-rally-2019.html
> ) when I have confirmation.
>
>
>
>



Anchors etc

ngtnewington Newington
 

I like the look of the Ultra and do not doubt it is a superb anchor but .....,,££$$$.....it is an expensive bit of kit that I would not want to lose. The 45 kg retails for about £3000 in the UK. Maybe could knock off the VAT but still...
Nick
Amelia AML 54-019
La Palma

Re: Anchor Chain Size and Length

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Theo,

I’ve had a ULTRA since 2015.  It has yet to drag if set properly.  It is the 35 KG version.

I’ve gone from Turkey to New Zealand in the meantime ; it’s a good looking piece of SS sitting on your bow.  

Enjoy your boat!

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007, NZ.



On 13 Apr 2019, at 07:37, s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

Thank you!

I hope the Ultra works as good as it looks. I wasn't looking for a SS anchor but Amel told me that anchors with bars wouldn't fit the A50. So, we'll see...

I've used Manson Supreme and Rocna on previous boats and I was very pleased by them.

Re: Fuel polishing

eric freedman
 

Hi Kent,

Here is the blurb from Howes—I use Meaner power cleaner.

I have not noticed the mustache on my port side after using this and changing my injectors.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

At Howes we understand the science and importance of year round lubricity and protection and our Meaner Power Kleaner is the proof. Safely eliminating water and removing the environment that creates bacteria, Meaner Power Kleaner contains no alcohol or harmful solvents and eliminates injector deposits. The end result is a performance enhancing product that protects your engine and boosts MPGs…guaranteed

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 4:14 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel polishing

 

Hi Eric,
Yes, I use Howes and Biobor Jr.  I didn’t think Howes did anything to prevent or kill microorganisms.  I haven’t been able to confirm any increase in fuel efficiency with Howes, but I do think my exhaust ”mustache” on the port hull isn’t quite as bad as it used to be.  What I’ve been doing seems to be working well, but if I start finding dirty fuel when I get to the Pacific, I may add a system like you have on Kimberlite.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy