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Re: Diesel Class

karkauai
 

Hi Arlo,
So far I have 6 interested and one 75%.  Three have the Volvo TMD22, two have Yanmars, and you with the Perkins.  I doubt we’d be lucky enough to find a class with all three engines (or even two) available.  I’ll ask about the Perkins, and if anyone has it I’ll let you know.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote:

I would be interested in a the class if they have my engine, the perkins 4-236M. Interest level is everything from routine maintenance to repair. As long as its in the U.S. I can make most dates work given a few weeks notice. Just need to avoid the last week of June and last week.of September.

YANMAR 4JH3-HTE: Starter Motor

David Vogel
 

Greetings all,

Below, condensed info / brief data sheet for the Starter Motor for the YANMAR 4JH3-HTE.

Hoping this will be of use to others.

Blue skies,

David
SM#396/Perigee
Panama
+++++++

OEM Part Number: 171008-77010

Specs: Voltage: 12; Rotation: CW; Teeth: 15; KW: 1.4, (OEM: 0.8); Type: OSGR; Shipping Weight: 11.25 pounds.

Equivalent OEM Numbers:
ANDRE NIERMANN: 014257, 014483
CARGO: 110485
DIXIE: S-8556
HITACHI: S114-257, S114-257G, S114-483, S114-483A
KOMATSU: YM171008-77010
LESTER: 18205
YANMAR: 129573-77010, 171008-77011 S114-257 S114-257G S114-483 S114-483A, 129573-77010

Low-cost replacement (for spares)
Brand DB Electrical
Model SHI0082
Item Weight 11.25 pounds
Package Dimensions 9.6 x 6.2 x 5.1 inches
Item model number SHI0082
Manufacturer Part Number SHI0082
Online Price: $122.42

Mid cost: Hitachi

High-cost: YANMAR OEM $432.43

Re: Diesel Class

Arlo
 

I would be interested in a the class if they have my engine, the perkins 4-236M. Interest level is everything from routine maintenance to repair. As long as its in the U.S. I can make most dates work given a few weeks notice. Just need to avoid the last week of June and last week.of September.

Re: Diesel Class

karkauai
 

Cool!  Iris, too!

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Kent;

 

Thanks, If it helps, my wife Aty will also be attending.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad Shirloo

+1-323-633-2222  Cell

+1-424-644-0908  Fax

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 9:04 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

Mike and Mohammad

So far it’s just the three of us, unless more express an interest, I’m sure that won’t be enough to have a special class for Amelians.

 

Mark Erdos had a good experience with a comprehensive class at the Annapolis School of Seamanship.  I’m looking into options and will let you know what I find out.

Kent


On Apr 8, 2019, at 9:54 AM, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark, good to hear.  I contacted them this morning.

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Apr 8, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

There is a very good diesel class in Annapolis at the Annapolis School of Seamanship. It is divided into two parts, the first two days being basic maintenance and second two days being advanced diagnostics. I took both segments and highly recommend it. It is not cheap. The class includes hands on time on engines. For the final exam, I was in a group of three and our task was to start the engine we were assigned. It took us all day to get it running smoothly but it was at this point I realize how much I had learned.

 

This is one of the most in demand classes at the AASS. They sell out well in advance and can be booked on-line. The second class has about half the seats of the first due to the time spent in the workshop on the engines.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 5:58 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

Hi all,

 I tried a couple of years ago to put together a diesel maintenance and repair class for Amel owners with Mac Boring in New Jersey. I couldn’t make it work then, but I am going to try again.  They make an effort to have the engines available that we own, when ever possible.  In years past they had 4-6 participants on each engine who took it apart and put it back together again.  They are now offering 2-3 day classes on maintenance and simple repairs, but are willing to work with us and develop a more comprehensive class if that’s what we want.

id like to do it in late July, August or September if possible.

 

Anyone interested in a comprehensive (4 to 7 day) class, please contact me at karkauai@....  I’ll need your engine make and model, a description of what you’d like to get out of the class, and any dates which will NOT work for you.

I will compile the results and see what they can put together for us.

Please let me know as soon as possible so I can get to work on this.
thanks
Kent
Kristy
SM 243

SPURS Line Cutter - update 2019

David Vogel
 

Greetings all,

Attached, 2019 latest price list for the SPURS Line-cutter and accessories.

Contact:
Bryony Fisher; Bryony@...
Spurs Marine Mfg.
201 SW 33 STREET
FORT LAUDERDALE FL 33315 USA
Tel. 954-463-2707
Fax 954-525-0239
www.spursmarine.com

Blue skies,
David
SM#396/Perigee
on-anchor, La Playita, Panama
Prepping for FP/Marquesas

Re: Diesel Class

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Kent;

 

Thanks, If it helps, my wife Aty will also be attending.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad Shirloo

+1-323-633-2222  Cell

+1-424-644-0908  Fax

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 9:04 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

Mike and Mohammad

So far it’s just the three of us, unless more express an interest, I’m sure that won’t be enough to have a special class for Amelians.

 

Mark Erdos had a good experience with a comprehensive class at the Annapolis School of Seamanship.  I’m looking into options and will let you know what I find out.

Kent


On Apr 8, 2019, at 9:54 AM, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark, good to hear.  I contacted them this morning.

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Apr 8, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

There is a very good diesel class in Annapolis at the Annapolis School of Seamanship. It is divided into two parts, the first two days being basic maintenance and second two days being advanced diagnostics. I took both segments and highly recommend it. It is not cheap. The class includes hands on time on engines. For the final exam, I was in a group of three and our task was to start the engine we were assigned. It took us all day to get it running smoothly but it was at this point I realize how much I had learned.

 

This is one of the most in demand classes at the AASS. They sell out well in advance and can be booked on-line. The second class has about half the seats of the first due to the time spent in the workshop on the engines.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 5:58 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

Hi all,

 I tried a couple of years ago to put together a diesel maintenance and repair class for Amel owners with Mac Boring in New Jersey. I couldn’t make it work then, but I am going to try again.  They make an effort to have the engines available that we own, when ever possible.  In years past they had 4-6 participants on each engine who took it apart and put it back together again.  They are now offering 2-3 day classes on maintenance and simple repairs, but are willing to work with us and develop a more comprehensive class if that’s what we want.

id like to do it in late July, August or September if possible.

 

Anyone interested in a comprehensive (4 to 7 day) class, please contact me at karkauai@....  I’ll need your engine make and model, a description of what you’d like to get out of the class, and any dates which will NOT work for you.

I will compile the results and see what they can put together for us.

Please let me know as soon as possible so I can get to work on this.
thanks
Kent
Kristy
SM 243

Re: Diesel Class

karkauai
 

Mike and Mohammad
So far it’s just the three of us, unless more express an interest, I’m sure that won’t be enough to have a special class for Amelians.

Mark Erdos had a good experience with a comprehensive class at the Annapolis School of Seamanship.  I’m looking into options and will let you know what I find out.
Kent

On Apr 8, 2019, at 9:54 AM, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark, good to hear.  I contacted them this morning.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Apr 8, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

There is a very good diesel class in Annapolis at the Annapolis School of Seamanship. It is divided into two parts, the first two days being basic maintenance and second two days being advanced diagnostics. I took both segments and highly recommend it. It is not cheap. The class includes hands on time on engines. For the final exam, I was in a group of three and our task was to start the engine we were assigned. It took us all day to get it running smoothly but it was at this point I realize how much I had learned.

 

This is one of the most in demand classes at the AASS. They sell out well in advance and can be booked on-line. The second class has about half the seats of the first due to the time spent in the workshop on the engines.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 5:58 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

Hi all,

 I tried a couple of years ago to put together a diesel maintenance and repair class for Amel owners with Mac Boring in New Jersey. I couldn’t make it work then, but I am going to try again.  They make an effort to have the engines available that we own, when ever possible.  In years past they had 4-6 participants on each engine who took it apart and put it back together again.  They are now offering 2-3 day classes on maintenance and simple repairs, but are willing to work with us and develop a more comprehensive class if that’s what we want.

id like to do it in late July, August or September if possible.

 

Anyone interested in a comprehensive (4 to 7 day) class, please contact me at karkauai@....  I’ll need your engine make and model, a description of what you’d like to get out of the class, and any dates which will NOT work for you.

I will compile the results and see what they can put together for us.

Please let me know as soon as possible so I can get to work on this.
thanks
Kent
Kristy
SM 243

Re: Diesel Class

karkauai
 

Hi Woody,
I don’t know if they would allow us to video it or not. If so, I could set up a go pro and just videoed the whole thing.

If that’s possible I will see what I can do.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Apr 8, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

There is a very good diesel class in Annapolis at the Annapolis School of Seamanship. It is divided into two parts, the first two days being basic maintenance and second two days being advanced diagnostics. I took both segments and highly recommend it. It is not cheap. The class includes hands on time on engines. For the final exam, I was in a group of three and our task was to start the engine we were assigned. It took us all day to get it running smoothly but it was at this point I realize how much I had learned.

 

This is one of the most in demand classes at the AASS. They sell out well in advance and can be booked on-line. The second class has about half the seats of the first due to the time spent in the workshop on the engines.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 5:58 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

Hi all,

 I tried a couple of years ago to put together a diesel maintenance and repair class for Amel owners with Mac Boring in New Jersey. I couldn’t make it work then, but I am going to try again.  They make an effort to have the engines available that we own, when ever possible.  In years past they had 4-6 participants on each engine who took it apart and put it back together again.  They are now offering 2-3 day classes on maintenance and simple repairs, but are willing to work with us and develop a more comprehensive class if that’s what we want.

id like to do it in late July, August or September if possible.

 

Anyone interested in a comprehensive (4 to 7 day) class, please contact me at karkauai@....  I’ll need your engine make and model, a description of what you’d like to get out of the class, and any dates which will NOT work for you.

I will compile the results and see what they can put together for us.

Please let me know as soon as possible so I can get to work on this.
thanks
Kent
Kristy
SM 243

Re: Diesel Class

karkauai
 

Thanks Mark, good to hear.  I contacted them this morning.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Apr 8, 2019, at 7:36 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

There is a very good diesel class in Annapolis at the Annapolis School of Seamanship. It is divided into two parts, the first two days being basic maintenance and second two days being advanced diagnostics. I took both segments and highly recommend it. It is not cheap. The class includes hands on time on engines. For the final exam, I was in a group of three and our task was to start the engine we were assigned. It took us all day to get it running smoothly but it was at this point I realize how much I had learned.

 

This is one of the most in demand classes at the AASS. They sell out well in advance and can be booked on-line. The second class has about half the seats of the first due to the time spent in the workshop on the engines.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 5:58 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

Hi all,

 I tried a couple of years ago to put together a diesel maintenance and repair class for Amel owners with Mac Boring in New Jersey. I couldn’t make it work then, but I am going to try again.  They make an effort to have the engines available that we own, when ever possible.  In years past they had 4-6 participants on each engine who took it apart and put it back together again.  They are now offering 2-3 day classes on maintenance and simple repairs, but are willing to work with us and develop a more comprehensive class if that’s what we want.

id like to do it in late July, August or September if possible.

 

Anyone interested in a comprehensive (4 to 7 day) class, please contact me at karkauai@....  I’ll need your engine make and model, a description of what you’d like to get out of the class, and any dates which will NOT work for you.

I will compile the results and see what they can put together for us.

Please let me know as soon as possible so I can get to work on this.
thanks
Kent
Kristy
SM 243

Running the engine at high rpms and the Amel drive

Joerg Esdorn
 

When I bought my A55 four years ago, I received the standard advice that it's good for a diesel to be run at full throttle once a day for something like 3 minutes.  I've followed that advice when I've remembered it and at full rpms (2400), the vibrations are pretty strong.  I've now completed the first service of my Amel drive (after 750 hours) and the bushing had 3 pretty deep groves from the seal rings.  I'm wondering whether those groves have something to do with the vibrations from running the engine at high rpms once a day.  Thoughts?  Do others follow the practice of running the engine at high rpms once a day?  I usually run at 1350 - 1500 rpms depending on conditions.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Currently at Marina di Ragusa, Sicily

Re: Diesel Class

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

There is a very good diesel class in Annapolis at the Annapolis School of Seamanship. It is divided into two parts, the first two days being basic maintenance and second two days being advanced diagnostics. I took both segments and highly recommend it. It is not cheap. The class includes hands on time on engines. For the final exam, I was in a group of three and our task was to start the engine we were assigned. It took us all day to get it running smoothly but it was at this point I realize how much I had learned.

 

This is one of the most in demand classes at the AASS. They sell out well in advance and can be booked on-line. The second class has about half the seats of the first due to the time spent in the workshop on the engines.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 5:58 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

Hi all,

 I tried a couple of years ago to put together a diesel maintenance and repair class for Amel owners with Mac Boring in New Jersey. I couldn’t make it work then, but I am going to try again.  They make an effort to have the engines available that we own, when ever possible.  In years past they had 4-6 participants on each engine who took it apart and put it back together again.  They are now offering 2-3 day classes on maintenance and simple repairs, but are willing to work with us and develop a more comprehensive class if that’s what we want.

id like to do it in late July, August or September if possible.

 

Anyone interested in a comprehensive (4 to 7 day) class, please contact me at karkauai@....  I’ll need your engine make and model, a description of what you’d like to get out of the class, and any dates which will NOT work for you.

I will compile the results and see what they can put together for us.

Please let me know as soon as possible so I can get to work on this.
thanks
Kent
Kristy
SM 243

Re: Diesel Class

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Sounds like a superb idea Kent but I bit far for us unfortunately - currently in Med.
Just a thought but would it be possible to video such a course? I know it's no substitute for getting your hands dirty but great reference material. You could monetise it by putting it through Patreon / Vimeo etc. I'd also second Mike's preference of TMD22 

Cheers..

Woody
SM#189

Re: propeller/engine vibration

eric freedman
 

You Know the harbor. Please give me a shout if you come by.

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelly Ran
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:36 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] propeller/engine vibration

 

Hi Eric,

 

We have used McMaster in the past. Thanks for the tip! 

 

We will dig around more before doing anything drastic. 

 

Headed back to Boston, maybe we will see you in Huntington? 

 

kelly + ryan

SM233 Iteration

Charleston 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 23:27 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Ryan,

Did you look up McMaster Carr? Do you use them.

I would first speak to Olivier before doing an in water boltectomy. I doubt that the bolt and sleeve are damaged. Are you headed back to Boston?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:23 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] propeller/engine vibration

 

Thanks Eric, I appreciate your thoughts.  We're currently in Charleston, SC and tomorrow we're sailing to Southport, NC.

 

In looking at the diagram Bill posted, I'm wondering if the bushing has gone bad.  I'm already putting together an order from Amel, maybe I'll see if they have replacements.  Does anyone know the size of the bolt itself, so we can have a spare on hand before we go removing the existing one?

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 11:08 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

Yes that is the bolt I was speaking about . I never knew what that black stuff was for a number of years and when I did  I immediately dug the silicone out and the bolt was surprisingly loose. It looked exactly like yours. If you get to warm water you could dig the silicone out. Remove the bolt grease it and put it back with grease. Then crank it down tight.

I would ask Olivier, however I feel you could sail without silicone for a while.

Where are you?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 10:45 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] propeller/engine vibration

 

Thank you all for the info.  I should have mentioned in my original post that we have a fixed propeller (I think its the original spare).  I'm a bit concerned about this domed mastic thing... depending on how you define "domed", it may have been in such a state when we last hauled out.  I've attached a photo.  What do you think?  We're no longer in the tropics, so it's too cold and too murky to go down and look at it now.

 

What purpose does the mastic serve?  Would it be harmful to remove it in the water and not replace it?  Presumably the rest of the bolt is exposed to seawater, so I don't see why the head needs special protection.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 12:07 PM Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:

Many thanks Bill & Eric.
For now no problem, but it is better to know in advance how it is fixed.
Do you know if it is possible to test it strongly moving it somehow, at the foot bottom.
Giovanni

 

Il 07/04/2019 17:17, CW Bill Rouse ha scritto:

Giovanni,

Check these photos out: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/album?id=84454

--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

Re: propeller/engine vibration

Kelly Ran
 

Hi Eric,

We have used McMaster in the past. Thanks for the tip! 

We will dig around more before doing anything drastic. 

Headed back to Boston, maybe we will see you in Huntington? 

kelly + ryan
SM233 Iteration
Charleston 



On Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 23:27 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Ryan,

Did you look up McMaster Carr? Do you use them.

I would first speak to Olivier before doing an in water boltectomy. I doubt that the bolt and sleeve are damaged. Are you headed back to Boston?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:23 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] propeller/engine vibration

 

Thanks Eric, I appreciate your thoughts.  We're currently in Charleston, SC and tomorrow we're sailing to Southport, NC.

 

In looking at the diagram Bill posted, I'm wondering if the bushing has gone bad.  I'm already putting together an order from Amel, maybe I'll see if they have replacements.  Does anyone know the size of the bolt itself, so we can have a spare on hand before we go removing the existing one?

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 11:08 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

Yes that is the bolt I was speaking about . I never knew what that black stuff was for a number of years and when I did  I immediately dug the silicone out and the bolt was surprisingly loose. It looked exactly like yours. If you get to warm water you could dig the silicone out. Remove the bolt grease it and put it back with grease. Then crank it down tight.

I would ask Olivier, however I feel you could sail without silicone for a while.

Where are you?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 10:45 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] propeller/engine vibration

 

Thank you all for the info.  I should have mentioned in my original post that we have a fixed propeller (I think its the original spare).  I'm a bit concerned about this domed mastic thing... depending on how you define "domed", it may have been in such a state when we last hauled out.  I've attached a photo.  What do you think?  We're no longer in the tropics, so it's too cold and too murky to go down and look at it now.

 

What purpose does the mastic serve?  Would it be harmful to remove it in the water and not replace it?  Presumably the rest of the bolt is exposed to seawater, so I don't see why the head needs special protection.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 12:07 PM Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:

Many thanks Bill & Eric.
For now no problem, but it is better to know in advance how it is fixed.
Do you know if it is possible to test it strongly moving it somehow, at the foot bottom.
Giovanni

 

Il 07/04/2019 17:17, CW Bill Rouse ha scritto:

Giovanni,

Check these photos out: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/album?id=84454

--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

Re: genoa furler screws working loose

Ryan Meador
 

Thanks Eric.  The ones that Gaetan (or maybe Alban) gave us were definitely allen drive flat heads, not cap heads.  I've attached a photo.  We replaced them with the same screw, just with Phillips drive, because that's all we could find in the Bahamas.  The whole assembly was very greased up when the original screws were installed.  I'm not sure if it was grease from the foil or TefGel.  There was no LocTite.  We'll do a more thorough cleaning before the next application of LocTite.

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Charleston, SC, USA

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 11:19 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Ryan,

I had Kimberlite rerigged last year.

I thought Gaetan used allen head cap screws. I will try to remember to look at it in 3 weeks. Please send me a note the about 25 April and I will send you a photo of mine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Please send it to Kimberlite at optonline   dot  N E T

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 10:56 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] genoa furler screws working loose

 

Hi Eric,

 

I'll see if I can get my hands on some Loctite 542.  I've never delved into their products beyond Blue and Red, and I don't think I want to use Red.

 

The screws are flat heads (countersunk).  The ones provided by Amel, which were lost overboard, were Allen drive, and our new ones are Phillips drive, but they're all the same head style.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

 

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 4:19 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

I like Locktite 542 or if you can’t find it try the regular red Locktite. However it is difficult to remove the red Locktite.

The threads must be absolutely clean , I would clean the machine screws with lacquer thinner and also the internal threads. Did they use machine screws or allen head cap screws?

 

With respect to the prop shaft. There should be NO side to side movement of the shaft. Possibly he was speaking about the prop blades.

If they wobble you need to overhaul the prop, if it is an autoprop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 2:08 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] genoa furler screws working loose

 

Hello again,

 

When we were in Le Marin, we had a bunch of work done on our genoa furler -- Amel rebuilt the gearbox, Caraibe Greement replaced the forestay, etc.  One of the things Amel did (unasked) was they drilled out the rivets connecting the gearbox to the furler extrusion and replaced them with machine screws.  Three times now we've had these screws fall out while under sail.  I emailed Alban at Amel Caraibe and he suggested using LocTite.  I've tried blue LocTite on them to no avail.  I'm considering installing a hose clamp around the outside so they physically cannot back out.  Has anyone else faced this issue and come up with a solution?

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

Re: propeller/engine vibration

eric freedman
 

Ryan,

Did you look up McMaster Carr? Do you use them.

I would first speak to Olivier before doing an in water boltectomy. I doubt that the bolt and sleeve are damaged. Are you headed back to Boston?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 11:23 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] propeller/engine vibration

 

Thanks Eric, I appreciate your thoughts.  We're currently in Charleston, SC and tomorrow we're sailing to Southport, NC.

 

In looking at the diagram Bill posted, I'm wondering if the bushing has gone bad.  I'm already putting together an order from Amel, maybe I'll see if they have replacements.  Does anyone know the size of the bolt itself, so we can have a spare on hand before we go removing the existing one?

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 11:08 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

Yes that is the bolt I was speaking about . I never knew what that black stuff was for a number of years and when I did  I immediately dug the silicone out and the bolt was surprisingly loose. It looked exactly like yours. If you get to warm water you could dig the silicone out. Remove the bolt grease it and put it back with grease. Then crank it down tight.

I would ask Olivier, however I feel you could sail without silicone for a while.

Where are you?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 10:45 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] propeller/engine vibration

 

Thank you all for the info.  I should have mentioned in my original post that we have a fixed propeller (I think its the original spare).  I'm a bit concerned about this domed mastic thing... depending on how you define "domed", it may have been in such a state when we last hauled out.  I've attached a photo.  What do you think?  We're no longer in the tropics, so it's too cold and too murky to go down and look at it now.

 

What purpose does the mastic serve?  Would it be harmful to remove it in the water and not replace it?  Presumably the rest of the bolt is exposed to seawater, so I don't see why the head needs special protection.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 12:07 PM Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:

Many thanks Bill & Eric.
For now no problem, but it is better to know in advance how it is fixed.
Do you know if it is possible to test it strongly moving it somehow, at the foot bottom.
Giovanni

 

Il 07/04/2019 17:17, CW Bill Rouse ha scritto:

Giovanni,

Check these photos out: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/album?id=84454

--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

Re: propeller/engine vibration

Ryan Meador
 

Thanks Eric, I appreciate your thoughts.  We're currently in Charleston, SC and tomorrow we're sailing to Southport, NC.

In looking at the diagram Bill posted, I'm wondering if the bushing has gone bad.  I'm already putting together an order from Amel, maybe I'll see if they have replacements.  Does anyone know the size of the bolt itself, so we can have a spare on hand before we go removing the existing one?

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Charleston, SC, USA

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 11:08 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

Yes that is the bolt I was speaking about . I never knew what that black stuff was for a number of years and when I did  I immediately dug the silicone out and the bolt was surprisingly loose. It looked exactly like yours. If you get to warm water you could dig the silicone out. Remove the bolt grease it and put it back with grease. Then crank it down tight.

I would ask Olivier, however I feel you could sail without silicone for a while.

Where are you?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 10:45 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] propeller/engine vibration

 

Thank you all for the info.  I should have mentioned in my original post that we have a fixed propeller (I think its the original spare).  I'm a bit concerned about this domed mastic thing... depending on how you define "domed", it may have been in such a state when we last hauled out.  I've attached a photo.  What do you think?  We're no longer in the tropics, so it's too cold and too murky to go down and look at it now.

 

What purpose does the mastic serve?  Would it be harmful to remove it in the water and not replace it?  Presumably the rest of the bolt is exposed to seawater, so I don't see why the head needs special protection.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 12:07 PM Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:

Many thanks Bill & Eric.
For now no problem, but it is better to know in advance how it is fixed.
Do you know if it is possible to test it strongly moving it somehow, at the foot bottom.
Giovanni

 

Il 07/04/2019 17:17, CW Bill Rouse ha scritto:

Giovanni,

Check these photos out: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/album?id=84454

--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

Re: genoa furler screws working loose

eric freedman
 

Ryan,

I had Kimberlite rerigged last year.

I thought Gaetan used allen head cap screws. I will try to remember to look at it in 3 weeks. Please send me a note the about 25 April and I will send you a photo of mine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Please send it to Kimberlite at optonline   dot  N E T

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 10:56 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] genoa furler screws working loose

 

Hi Eric,

 

I'll see if I can get my hands on some Loctite 542.  I've never delved into their products beyond Blue and Red, and I don't think I want to use Red.

 

The screws are flat heads (countersunk).  The ones provided by Amel, which were lost overboard, were Allen drive, and our new ones are Phillips drive, but they're all the same head style.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

 

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 4:19 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

I like Locktite 542 or if you can’t find it try the regular red Locktite. However it is difficult to remove the red Locktite.

The threads must be absolutely clean , I would clean the machine screws with lacquer thinner and also the internal threads. Did they use machine screws or allen head cap screws?

 

With respect to the prop shaft. There should be NO side to side movement of the shaft. Possibly he was speaking about the prop blades.

If they wobble you need to overhaul the prop, if it is an autoprop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 2:08 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] genoa furler screws working loose

 

Hello again,

 

When we were in Le Marin, we had a bunch of work done on our genoa furler -- Amel rebuilt the gearbox, Caraibe Greement replaced the forestay, etc.  One of the things Amel did (unasked) was they drilled out the rivets connecting the gearbox to the furler extrusion and replaced them with machine screws.  Three times now we've had these screws fall out while under sail.  I emailed Alban at Amel Caraibe and he suggested using LocTite.  I've tried blue LocTite on them to no avail.  I'm considering installing a hose clamp around the outside so they physically cannot back out.  Has anyone else faced this issue and come up with a solution?

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

Re: genoa furler screws working loose

eric freedman
 

542 is available from McMaster Carr on the internet. It is an amazing source.

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 10:56 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] genoa furler screws working loose

 

Hi Eric,

 

I'll see if I can get my hands on some Loctite 542.  I've never delved into their products beyond Blue and Red, and I don't think I want to use Red.

 

The screws are flat heads (countersunk).  The ones provided by Amel, which were lost overboard, were Allen drive, and our new ones are Phillips drive, but they're all the same head style.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

 

On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 4:19 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

I like Locktite 542 or if you can’t find it try the regular red Locktite. However it is difficult to remove the red Locktite.

The threads must be absolutely clean , I would clean the machine screws with lacquer thinner and also the internal threads. Did they use machine screws or allen head cap screws?

 

With respect to the prop shaft. There should be NO side to side movement of the shaft. Possibly he was speaking about the prop blades.

If they wobble you need to overhaul the prop, if it is an autoprop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 2:08 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] genoa furler screws working loose

 

Hello again,

 

When we were in Le Marin, we had a bunch of work done on our genoa furler -- Amel rebuilt the gearbox, Caraibe Greement replaced the forestay, etc.  One of the things Amel did (unasked) was they drilled out the rivets connecting the gearbox to the furler extrusion and replaced them with machine screws.  Three times now we've had these screws fall out while under sail.  I emailed Alban at Amel Caraibe and he suggested using LocTite.  I've tried blue LocTite on them to no avail.  I'm considering installing a hose clamp around the outside so they physically cannot back out.  Has anyone else faced this issue and come up with a solution?

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

Re: propeller/engine vibration

eric freedman
 

Hi Ryan,

Yes that is the bolt I was speaking about . I never knew what that black stuff was for a number of years and when I did  I immediately dug the silicone out and the bolt was surprisingly loose. It looked exactly like yours. If you get to warm water you could dig the silicone out. Remove the bolt grease it and put it back with grease. Then crank it down tight.

I would ask Olivier, however I feel you could sail without silicone for a while.

Where are you?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 10:45 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] propeller/engine vibration

 

Thank you all for the info.  I should have mentioned in my original post that we have a fixed propeller (I think its the original spare).  I'm a bit concerned about this domed mastic thing... depending on how you define "domed", it may have been in such a state when we last hauled out.  I've attached a photo.  What do you think?  We're no longer in the tropics, so it's too cold and too murky to go down and look at it now.

 

What purpose does the mastic serve?  Would it be harmful to remove it in the water and not replace it?  Presumably the rest of the bolt is exposed to seawater, so I don't see why the head needs special protection.

 

Thanks,

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Charleston, SC, USA

 

 

 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 12:07 PM Giovanni TESTA <giovannitesta53@...> wrote:

Many thanks Bill & Eric.
For now no problem, but it is better to know in advance how it is fixed.
Do you know if it is possible to test it strongly moving it somehow, at the foot bottom.
Giovanni

 

Il 07/04/2019 17:17, CW Bill Rouse ha scritto:

Giovanni,

Check these photos out: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/album?id=84454

--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970