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Re: Dessalator shuts down for no apparant reason

 

Arno,

Good advice, and explains why the red light did not come ON.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:09 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
To me this sound like the thermal protection on the 24 volt motor is activated. Did you check the temperature of the motor? 

Regards,

Arno
Sv Luna
A54-121


Re: Dessalator shuts down for no apparant reason

Arno Luijten
 

To me this sound like the thermal protection on the 24 volt motor is activated. Did you check the temperature of the motor?

Regards,

Arno
Sv Luna
A54-121

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Thank you Giorgio. I have head about them recently from another Amel owner too so will visit them next week when we get to Martinique.
Cheers
Colin
SV Island Pearl II, sm #332
Pinney Beach, Nevis

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:05 AM Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:
Colin, In Le Marin, Martinique, in the Shipchandler Ship, in February they sold the 10 mm galvanized chain at 6,70 euros (7.53 us $) per meter. I think it's one of the lowest prices in the Antilles and it's a chain made in France.

Il Gio 28 Mar 2019, 03:49 islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> ha scritto:
Hi Dan

Most helpful, thank you.

We are also looking to replace our anchor chain and best price and quality we found so far amongst all the islands so far was Budget Marine in St Martin at  approx $1500 for 100m of Aqua4 10mm P30 galvanised chain.

We will be getting a final quote for good French manufactured chain in Martinique soon too before purchasing.

What is your price in Curacao for what length and type of chain?

Best regards
Colin
SV Island Pearl II
Nevis


On Wed, 27 Mar. 2019, 20:43 Dan Carlson, <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hello Colin, 

Our experience at both was good. Both regularly handle Amels.  There were 4 other SM and a 54 at Curacao Marine while we were there.  There were at least 3 other SM in and out of  Peake when we were there.  We did not have much work done at either yard. We had bottom paint and hull wax applied at Peake, and only the hull polished at Curacao Marine.  A number of other boats we're having there bottoms refinished with copper-coat at Curacao Marine.  Seems they have the expertise and good price. 

Depth entering Curacao marina is something to watch but not a problem.  The use a submersible lift to lift the boat from the water and then place in the yard.  Peake uses a travel lift to hoist the boat and then they use a hydralic loft to move the boat around the yard. I saw no issues with either method.

Although I did not have much work done at either yard, my impression was that if you had a more varied list of jobs you wanted done then I would favor Peake.  What I observed and through limited interaction was that they had good electronic guy, canvis shop, diesel, and rigging on site. There was also a very good looking wood shop over at Powerboats next door.  And many other Marine services in the area.  They had a full time staff to professionally manage scheduling and completion of work at Peake.  Curacao Marine did seem to struggle a bit with that.

I did not think that Curacao was well set up for "boat minding". The boats are in a secure "bonded" yard so you can not hire your own boat minder.  The yard manager would do it, but really he had to many other things and no organizational support.  

At Curacao they do not have lodging on site. You have to book your own. Rental cars are cheep. Budget Marine was pretty good for sourcing my anchor chain.  Shopping  for other supplies is very good.   An additional benefit is adding a nice stop at Bonaire on the way.

Let me know if you have any more specific questions.

Regards, Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, sm#387



On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:57 AM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@... wrote:
Hi Dan

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

Thanks in advance
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Pinny Beach, Nevis

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra





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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Interesting, Many thanks Dan.


On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:05 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Anchor chain in Curacao was also Magga Aqua4 10mm P30 for $1515 for 300 ft.  That was duty free and a 10% discount linked to the OCC rally we we're part of.  
Roeland van Bijnin was the manager/contact there. He was helpful.

Regards Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 9:49 PM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@... wrote:
Hi Dan

Most helpful, thank you.

We are also looking to replace our anchor chain and best price and quality we found so far amongst all the islands so far was Budget Marine in St Martin at  approx $1500 for 100m of Aqua4 10mm P30 galvanised chain.

We will be getting a final quote for good French manufactured chain in Martinique soon too before purchasing.

What is your price in Curacao for what length and type of chain?

Best regards
Colin
SV Island Pearl II
Nevis


On Wed, 27 Mar. 2019, 20:43 Dan Carlson, <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hello Colin, 

Our experience at both was good. Both regularly handle Amels.  There were 4 other SM and a 54 at Curacao Marine while we were there.  There were at least 3 other SM in and out of  Peake when we were there.  We did not have much work done at either yard. We had bottom paint and hull wax applied at Peake, and only the hull polished at Curacao Marine.  A number of other boats we're having there bottoms refinished with copper-coat at Curacao Marine.  Seems they have the expertise and good price. 

Depth entering Curacao marina is something to watch but not a problem.  The use a submersible lift to lift the boat from the water and then place in the yard.  Peake uses a travel lift to hoist the boat and then they use a hydralic loft to move the boat around the yard. I saw no issues with either method.

Although I did not have much work done at either yard, my impression was that if you had a more varied list of jobs you wanted done then I would favor Peake.  What I observed and through limited interaction was that they had good electronic guy, canvis shop, diesel, and rigging on site. There was also a very good looking wood shop over at Powerboats next door.  And many other Marine services in the area.  They had a full time staff to professionally manage scheduling and completion of work at Peake.  Curacao Marine did seem to struggle a bit with that.

I did not think that Curacao was well set up for "boat minding". The boats are in a secure "bonded" yard so you can not hire your own boat minder.  The yard manager would do it, but really he had to many other things and no organizational support.  

At Curacao they do not have lodging on site. You have to book your own. Rental cars are cheep. Budget Marine was pretty good for sourcing my anchor chain.  Shopping  for other supplies is very good.   An additional benefit is adding a nice stop at Bonaire on the way.

Let me know if you have any more specific questions.

Regards, Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, sm#387



On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:57 AM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@... wrote:
Hi Dan

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

Thanks in advance
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Pinny Beach, Nevis

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra





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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Tórtola is for sale!

Juan GV <tortolacinco@...>
 

Gracias Bill

Re: Tórtola is for sale!

 

Juan,

I forwarded this email to yachtforsale@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

You should join YachtsForSale which is a subgroup of the Amel Yacht Owners Group. The easy way to join is to send an email to: yachtforsale+subscribe@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse

Re: Genoa sheet cars removal

smiles bernard
 

Hi Tom
What make of sheet cars / turning blocks etc did you use please ?
I am struggling to understand which manufactures would work on my Goiot 32mm track, 5mm thick with 10mm diameter locator pin holes

Any info very gratefully received !
I ‘think’ some Lewmar cars might fit but they come with blocks that only take 12mm lines 



These harken type cars would be perfect but I can’t seem to find out if they do them for 32mm track and also if 5mm thick is ok . . . 

Any thoughts from the group about suitable replacements that have been used would be super helpful


Many thanks 
Miles
Maramu 162


On 29 Mar 2019, at 22:18, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Thanks so much for he really useful responses 
Tom - did you just unbolt the single stanchion at the fwd end of the Genoa track ? And managed to move it first forward then outboard once the lower side flanges were clear of the toe rail?
if so I’ll try this first and will try to replace the cars completely  🤞
I will anyhow also fix my current cars as I need them now and good to have them in working order too. 

Gerhard - it sounds like you just used a ‘push fit’ idea. So the Center hole on the new wheel was a tight fit to the 10mm pin. Then tap with a small hammer into place?

I might try this or ask for a slight shoulder on the pin - as per my sketch. So the lower half of the 10mm is just very slightly thinner than the top half. Say 9.5mm OD.
Combined with a stainless washer/wheel with a 
Center whole of the same diameter (9.5mm) of the smaller section of the pin

the wheel would ‘push fit ‘ onto the lower
9.5mm pin section and be prevented from raising higher by the 10mm shoulder 

the spring would sit above the wheel/washer as always. 

It might just work!?

many thanks to all for the ideas and help on this 👍

miles


Re: Dessalator shuts down for no apparent reason - CAT Pump Modification for less than 160 liters

 

Paul,

You might want to check with Dessalator. I think the 3 common reasons for shutdown are:
  1. Over Pressure - Sometimes caused by a faulty pressure gauge, or a pressure sensor
  2. High TDS - What is your measured TDS of the product water?
  3. Lack of water flow - check everything from outside your boat to the HP pump (the line from outside through the valve to the strainer, hoses, all the way to through the pre-filter
I believe that all of the above will show a red light. Of course it could be other things.

I hope this helps you find the issue.

CAT Pump Modification on Dessalator Systems less than 160l:
This is the first time that I heard that Dessalator removes a piston on the CAT HP pump in order to reduce the flow for systems less than 160 liter. I find this very interesting and those who have purchased a CAT HP pump for Dessalator systems less than 160l from sources other than Dessalator, should take note. Paul, if you could, could you post anything else that you have on this subject.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:29 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <yafohi@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I have a Dessalator 100 Duo and have just installed a brand new CAT pump supplied by Dessalator (i.e. with the centre piston removed). I use the 24V motor. All seems to be working well except that now the watermaker shuts down for no apparant reason after about half an hour. The red warning light does not go on, and the breaker does not trip. If I restart it after a short while it shuts down again within a few minutes. If I leave it until the next day it runs for about half an hour then shuts down. I changed the pre-filter but still the same thing happens. This only started happening after about 6-7 hours of use after having installed the new pump.

I would be interested to know if anyone has experienced this problem and if so how it was fixed. .

--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Tórtola is for sale!

Juan GV <tortolacinco@...>
 

Tórtola is for sale!
I am getting older and an illness is forcing me to say goodbye to my loved vessel after more than 15 years. 
I retire but he is keen to continue crossing the seas as he is in very good shape!
Best regards
Juan GV

 Tórtola  MANGO 56
Cartagena de Indias

Dessalator shuts down for no apparant reason

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi all,

I have a Dessalator 100 Duo and have just installed a brand new CAT pump supplied by Dessalator (i.e. with the centre piston removed). I use the 24V motor. All seems to be working well except that now the watermaker shuts down for no apparant reason after about half an hour. The red warning light does not go on, and the breaker does not trip. If I restart it after a short while it shuts down again within a few minutes. If I leave it until the next day it runs for about half an hour then shuts down. I changed the pre-filter but still the same thing happens. This only started happening after about 6-7 hours of use after having installed the new pump.

I would be interested to know if anyone has experienced this problem and if so how it was fixed. .

--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

Alan Grayson
 

Thanks Ian, I did notice one of the fuses was a bit loose but not loose enough to worry me so I might go back and tweak it. Thanks
Alan Grayson
Great HBR Cay, Berry islands
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...>
Sent: Friday, 29 March 2019 12:11:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 
Alan, this might sound a bit off the wall but thought I'd share our experience. We have an older 40/50 L/hr DC-only Dessalator. We disconnected the water quality sensor wires sometime ago and now rely just on a hand held TDS meter.

Anytime we have had a shutdown problem (about three times in the last two years) it was caused by a loose fuse holder on the circuit board. As you might expect, I originally thought it was a blown fuse. But when I checked for this, there was no fuse issue but I did notice that the holder was quite loose. So I simply squeezed it, put the fuse back in and voila, it ran like a charm until the next time six months later.


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:49 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

Hi Gary, when it shuts down it is definitely not a breaker and to be honest I did not notice any lights at all when it shut down. I noticed on the pressure gauge that the pressure gauge dropped off right after it shut down. I released the pressure knob all the way then started it up again and all went well till we shut it down. I imagine with the wiring off the back of the pressure sensor the red light would not come on
Regards
Alan Grayson
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...>
Sent: Thursday, 28 March 2019 2:01:22 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 
Hi Alan:

If I understand your trouble shooting process, when you take the high pressure switch out of the circuit by disconnecting the wires to that switch, the unit will run for about one hour, making good quality water (as measured using a hand held TDS meter) but then will shut down and gives a red light at the control panel.  Is that correct?  

I want to confirm that when the shut down occurs it isn't due to a circuit breaker opening.  Correct?

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona 
Amel SM 2000 #335

Re: Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Mark Barter
 

Thanks Dean, are you cruising Scotland this summer?

Re: Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Mark Barter
 

Hi Keith,

Is it on Yachtworld so I could take a look?

Thanks
Mark

Re: Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Mark Barter
 

Hi Ian,

Whereabouts in North Wales are you? 

We have a place in Pwllhelli and go there regularly.

Kind regards
Mark

Re: Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Mark Barter
 

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the offer. I will look in to flights.

Kind regards
Mark

Re: Genoa sheet cars removal

smiles bernard
 

Thanks so much for he really useful responses 
Tom - did you just unbolt the single stanchion at the fwd end of the Genoa track ? And managed to move it first forward then outboard once the lower side flanges were clear of the toe rail?
if so I’ll try this first and will try to replace the cars completely  🤞
I will anyhow also fix my current cars as I need them now and good to have them in working order too. 

Gerhard - it sounds like you just used a ‘push fit’ idea. So the Center hole on the new wheel was a tight fit to the 10mm pin. Then tap with a small hammer into place?

I might try this or ask for a slight shoulder on the pin - as per my sketch. So the lower half of the 10mm is just very slightly thinner than the top half. Say 9.5mm OD.
Combined with a stainless washer/wheel with a 
Center whole of the same diameter (9.5mm) of the smaller section of the pin

the wheel would ‘push fit ‘ onto the lower
9.5mm pin section and be prevented from raising higher by the 10mm shoulder 

the spring would sit above the wheel/washer as always. 

It might just work!?

many thanks to all for the ideas and help on this 👍

miles


Re: Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Scott Brown
 

Hi Dean,

I’m based in Aberdeen, so not so very far from Ardrossan :o)

I’m looking at buying an Amel and would love to pick your brain over a beer or two when you arrive back in Scotland for the winter!

Best wishes,

Scott



On 29 Mar 2019, at 22:04, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Mark and Nicky,
Two years ago I was in a similar situation, except I was in Australia.  I organised to see a range of boats with the Amel specialist broker Michel Charpentier. I flew to France and spent a week looking at Amels. Michel was a great help, and the visit cemented our thinking about which brand of boat to buy.

We bought an Amel 54 in Italy later that year, with the help of Michel and surveyor Olivier Beaute. We are really delighted with the boat.

I really recommend you get over to France and look at a number of boats. 

For what it’s worth, we’ll be wintering Stella at the end of this summer in Ardrossan, but won’t be there till September. If your still “lurking”, then you’re welcome to take a peek 😎

cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Re: Anchor Chain

James Alton
 

There are some concerns about hydrogen embrittlement which can weaken the chain when regalvanizing. This is more of a concern with the higher strength chains such as the grade 70. While I used to think that the primary risk was from the heat removing the temper this issue is primarily related to the acid etching process. Media/sandblasting is a safer way to prepare the chain than using the acid though apparently at least some acid etching is usually done to help prepare the surface. Practical Sailor did some regalavanizing testing not too long ago where they loaded samples of chain to failure before and after regalvanizing. The results were interesting with essentially no difference in strength before and after even with grade 70 chain so apparently if done correctly this might be an option. I have decided to go with hi tensile grade 70 chain which I have heard can not be safely regalvanized which is what initiated my recent research and discussion with an engineering friend. If there is any doubt I will just replace my chain when the time comes. It is encouraging that others have been happy with the regalvanizing results

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Mar 29, 2019, at 4:36 PM, amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up on re-galvanizing the anchor chain I was concerned it might weaken it thanks Tom Deasy Amel Maramu number 125 1983


Re: Anchor Chain correction

eric freedman
 

I took my chain to a plant that does Hot dip Galvanizing.
It was a very large plant.
In fact they completed the galvanizing all the components of a bridge that crosses the Hudson River.
They charged me $300-.
I had to cut off about a meter of chain at the end as it was badly rusted That was 3 years ago and the chain still looks great.
Fair Winds,
Eric 
sm376 Kimberlite

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 12:34 PM, amel46met wrote:

Hello amel group on the subject of new anchor chain what do you think about re-galvanizing the anchor chain thanks Tom Amel Maramu #125


Re: Anchor Chain

eric freedman
 

I took my chain to a plant that does Hot dip Galvanizing.
It was a very large plant.
In fact they completed the galvanizing all the components that cross the Hudson River.
They charged me $300-.
I had to curt off about a meter of chain at the end as it was adly ruster. That was 3 years ago and the chain still looks great.
Fair Winds,
Eric 
sm376 Kimberlite

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 12:34 PM, amel46met wrote:

Hello amel group on the subject of new anchor chain what do you think about re-galvanizing the anchor chain thanks Tom Amel Maramu #125