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Re: Fuel polishing

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Erik,
I am not on the boat now. From memory the fuel exits the bottom of the tank directly to the Racors but There is no valve on a lower sump.
I could drain off the Racor filter very easily. I suspect though that the pick up is just off the bottom of the tank. So the sludge will remain between the fuel pick up and the very bottom of the tank.
There may not be any sludge. Maybe I am seeing gremlins where there are none!
Nick
Amelia AML 54 -019 La Palma

On 10 Apr 2019, at 07:08, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,
On Kimberlite the tank drains from the bottom. Is it different on the 54?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376


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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel polishing

Thanks for the feedback. So the general consensus is that additional
polishing is not required as the Racor primary filter plus engine filter is
fine. So long as one takes the usual precautions. In addition whilst
motoring or running the generator some fuel polishing happens anyway.

This is nice to read.

I only raise this because the newer Amels have common rail turbo charged
engines, where fuel cleanliness is extra important. In addition we may well
be buying fuel with 20% biodiesel, and low sulphur. Biodiesel is more prone
to degrading and bacterial growth.
Amelia has been ashore for 5 months with brim full tank.
It is a shame there is no drain valve to remove a few litres off the bottom
of the tank.

Nick
Amelia AML 54-019 currently located ashore in La Palma, Canary Island.
Launching in a couple of weeks and planning to sail to Greece this spring.





Re: Fuel polishing

eric freedman
 

Hi Nick,
On Kimberlite the tank drains from the bottom. Is it different on the 54?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

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On Behalf Of ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 2:00 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel polishing

Thanks for the feedback. So the general consensus is that additional
polishing is not required as the Racor primary filter plus engine filter is
fine. So long as one takes the usual precautions. In addition whilst
motoring or running the generator some fuel polishing happens anyway.

This is nice to read.

I only raise this because the newer Amels have common rail turbo charged
engines, where fuel cleanliness is extra important. In addition we may well
be buying fuel with 20% biodiesel, and low sulphur. Biodiesel is more prone
to degrading and bacterial growth.
Amelia has been ashore for 5 months with brim full tank.
It is a shame there is no drain valve to remove a few litres off the bottom
of the tank.

Nick
Amelia AML 54-019 currently located ashore in La Palma, Canary Island.
Launching in a couple of weeks and planning to sail to Greece this spring.

Re: Companionway Door Seal - New Photos Album & Photos

Steven Bode - SV Intention 1994-SM#117
 

Thanks, everybody! I'll clear those drain holes at the bottom of the companionway board box when I get back to the boat (say THAT 10 times fast). Going to make a "Gary Flapper", too!
-Bode

Fuel polishing

ngtnewington Newington
 

Thanks for the feedback. So the general consensus is that additional polishing is not required as the Racor primary filter plus engine filter is fine. So long as one takes the usual precautions. In addition whilst motoring or running the generator some fuel polishing happens anyway.

This is nice to read.

I only raise this because the newer Amels have common rail turbo charged engines, where fuel cleanliness is extra important. In addition we may well be buying fuel with 20% biodiesel, and low sulphur. Biodiesel is more prone to degrading and bacterial growth.
Amelia has been ashore for 5 months with brim full tank.
It is a shame there is no drain valve to remove a few litres off the bottom of the tank.

Nick
Amelia AML 54-019 currently located ashore in La Palma, Canary Island. Launching in a couple of weeks and planning to sail to Greece this spring.

Re: Improvements on Servicing the Amel Drive

Joerg Esdorn
 

It’s bronze - but it has a silver shine to it.  There was heavy wear on the bushing when I took it out after 750 hours.  Both the old bushing from 2016 and the new spare i just received have the threaded holes.  

Joerg

Locker Gaskets

Arlo
 

Hello all. I am re-coating the inside of my lockers with gelcoat. While doing this,  I am looking to also replace the rubber gaskets on the forward and aft lockers as well as the cockpit lockers. Anyone found a good source for these gaskets in the states? I did a search on this forum but the source was not listed. ;(

Arlo
1985 Amel Mango
Seaduction Hull # 46

Re: [EXTERNAL] - [AmelYachtOwners] Improvements on Servicing the Amel Drive

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Thanks for the story and the photo Jorge, I also have the tools, but in the excitement of delivery, neglected to label them. 

John
Devereux 
Amel 55, No. 65

On Apr 9, 2019, at 15:36, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

I just completed servicing the Amel drive on my A55 for the first time.  It was a difficult experience.  Trying to get the bushing out was very hard and the official Amel instructions didn't provide much help.  A chisel or screwdriver to get the bushing out wasn't all that helpful!  I now found out that I had tools on board that would have made the job much easier.  Look at the picture below.  The bushing has three threaded holes which fit three long bolts that came with the boat and that attach to the Autoprop extractor.  So after taking off the prop with the extractor you screw the three bolts into the bushing and thread them through the extractor.  Then, you keep turning the big bolt on the extractor and the bushing should come out.  The blue plastic part in the picture is designed to fit over the shaft and protect the shaft from being damaged in the process.  The three long bolts came with my boat, so did the blue plastic part.  I wish they had come with instructions on what they were for ....  But hopefully, this post will help other Amelians to deal with their drive!   

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Currently in Marina di Ragusa, Sicily<IMG_5385.jpg>

Re: Improvements on Servicing the Amel Drive

Alan Leslie
 

Joerg,
I've not seen that before.
Seems you have a stainless bushing (bague d'usure) with threaded holes in the face...ours have always been bronze with no threaded holes, but always easy to remove. The bronze ones do wear hence the name bague d'usure (wearing ring).
Was there any noticeable wear on the stainless bushing you took out?
I wonder if stainless is standard for A55s and bronze is still standard for our older Amels?
I need to order a kit, it will be interesting to see what turns up.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

diesel fuel return

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hello fellow Amel Owners,

I have the D3 110 HP Volvo fitted to most 54’s.

I am thinking fuel polishing. I was wondering how much fuel is returned to the tank under normal motoring.

So for example if I am burning 7 litres an hour how much fuel is returned to the tank? It might be say 7 litres an hour which would be 50% burned and 50% consumed. Does anyone know?

Nick

Amelia Amel 54-019

Re: Fuel Polishing

eric freedman
 

Hi Ian and Judy,
You forgot to mention your pre-fill filtering system. Thank you so much for that idea. I think I have about 86,000 miles on Kimberlite and never had a problem.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite


On Tue, Apr 09, 2019 at 03:18 PM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:

35,000 miles and around the world I only had to throw the valve on the double Racor once, and never lost power.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019, 2:30 PM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Hello,

 Can I encourage you to identify yourself, the name and number of your Amel and where it is ? Its just makes it easier for anyone else to respond.

 I do wonder about the necessity of fuel polishing. We have twin Racors before the engine fuel filter itself and only once in almost 30 years of owning three Amels have we had a problem with dirty fuel, a problem quickly fixed by switching from one Racor filter to the other. This is despite 8 years in third world countries with few leisure marine facilities

 What is rarely mentioned is that diesel engines recycle back to the fuel tank more litres every hour than they consume. With the D2-75  I'm told that that can be as much as 75%. The effect of this is that you automatically have a fuel polishing system in place.

I should be interested to hear of other experiences.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Lavrion, Greece



From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: 09 April 2019 17:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Polishing
 
Any opinions or better ideas, would be well received.

I am thinking of rigging a simple fuel polishing system that utilises the existing Racor set up.

Between the Racor filters and the engine insert a Y valve that goes to the engine or to a new inline 24v fuel pump (120 lph) that then goes to the fuel return line with a T connector.

In polishing mode, in a harbour or at anchor, with the engine off, the Y valve is set to send the fuel to the pump which is turned on, and back to the tank via the fuel return line. The fuel is circulated all day or overnight and is filtered. 

At the end just go back to normal mode and change the filter, check for debris.

Any thoughts? Total cost would be £45 for the pump plus a few fittings and a bit of hose. Call it £100.

Re: Fuel Polishing

Barbara Stringfellow <bb16negri@...>
 

Hi, 
Wouldn't it be counterproductive to filter the diesel and put it right back into the tank? We use a shaker siphon (costs about 10€) with a weight on one end to get down to the gook. As being poured into the jerry cans, we filter with "Mr. Funnel" sold on Amazon 60€, the same that is used by US aeronautics. Actually it's become our newest best friend and we use it when going to the station, works great for removing water. Then the tanks get cleaned. Fuel stabilizers, biocides and water control are the trinity of treatment.

Barbara
Maramu #32

Improvements on Servicing the Amel Drive

Joerg Esdorn
 

I just completed servicing the Amel drive on my A55 for the first time.  It was a difficult experience.  Trying to get the bushing out was very hard and the official Amel instructions didn't provide much help.  A chisel or screwdriver to get the bushing out wasn't all that helpful!  I now found out that I had tools on board that would have made the job much easier.  Look at the picture below.  The bushing has three threaded holes which fit three long bolts that came with the boat and that attach to the Autoprop extractor.  So after taking off the prop with the extractor you screw the three bolts into the bushing and thread them through the extractor.  Then, you keep turning the big bolt on the extractor and the bushing should come out.  The blue plastic part in the picture is designed to fit over the shaft and protect the shaft from being damaged in the process.  The three long bolts came with my boat, so did the blue plastic part.  I wish they had come with instructions on what they were for ....  But hopefully, this post will help other Amelians to deal with their drive!   

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Currently in Marina di Ragusa, Sicily

Re: Fuel Polishing

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Since we are now 50% through a circumnavigation we have been very happy to have a fuel polishing system on board when some other yachts travelling through Indonesia with us experienced fuel problems.

The fuel there was often very dirty with all sorts of muck in it including match sticks, bits of plastic etc.

Other than Indonesia we have rarely had bad fuel but in any event NEVER put fuel straight into our tanks without either going through the Baja or Fuel Polisher.

More important than pending a lot on a comprehensive fuel polishing unit is to have a good transportable fuel filter (e.g. Baja or West Marine type), as well as installing dual Racor fuel filters with quick change over valve.

Our polishing unit has a Y valve so we also use it to suck fuel out of jerry cans directly to the tank. In this way we can immediately reject fuel if supplied with water in it, but in particular, this provides a zero fuel spillage transfer system whilst at sea which we like.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, AM #332
Amel Rally, Martinique

On Tue, 9 Apr. 2019, 15:18 CW Bill Rouse, <brouse@...> wrote:
35,000 miles and around the world I only had to throw the valve on the double Racor once, and never lost power.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019, 2:30 PM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Hello,

 Can I encourage you to identify yourself, the name and number of your Amel and where it is ? Its just makes it easier for anyone else to respond.

 I do wonder about the necessity of fuel polishing. We have twin Racors before the engine fuel filter itself and only once in almost 30 years of owning three Amels have we had a problem with dirty fuel, a problem quickly fixed by switching from one Racor filter to the other. This is despite 8 years in third world countries with few leisure marine facilities

 What is rarely mentioned is that diesel engines recycle back to the fuel tank more litres every hour than they consume. With the D2-75  I'm told that that can be as much as 75%. The effect of this is that you automatically have a fuel polishing system in place.

I should be interested to hear of other experiences.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Lavrion, Greece



From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: 09 April 2019 17:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Polishing
 
Any opinions or better ideas, would be well received.

I am thinking of rigging a simple fuel polishing system that utilises the existing Racor set up.

Between the Racor filters and the engine insert a Y valve that goes to the engine or to a new inline 24v fuel pump (120 lph) that then goes to the fuel return line with a T connector.

In polishing mode, in a harbour or at anchor, with the engine off, the Y valve is set to send the fuel to the pump which is turned on, and back to the tank via the fuel return line. The fuel is circulated all day or overnight and is filtered. 

At the end just go back to normal mode and change the filter, check for debris.

Any thoughts? Total cost would be £45 for the pump plus a few fittings and a bit of hose. Call it £100.

Re: Fuel Polishing

 

35,000 miles and around the world I only had to throw the valve on the double Racor once, and never lost power.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019, 2:30 PM ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Hello,

 Can I encourage you to identify yourself, the name and number of your Amel and where it is ? Its just makes it easier for anyone else to respond.

 I do wonder about the necessity of fuel polishing. We have twin Racors before the engine fuel filter itself and only once in almost 30 years of owning three Amels have we had a problem with dirty fuel, a problem quickly fixed by switching from one Racor filter to the other. This is despite 8 years in third world countries with few leisure marine facilities

 What is rarely mentioned is that diesel engines recycle back to the fuel tank more litres every hour than they consume. With the D2-75  I'm told that that can be as much as 75%. The effect of this is that you automatically have a fuel polishing system in place.

I should be interested to hear of other experiences.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Lavrion, Greece



From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: 09 April 2019 17:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Polishing
 
Any opinions or better ideas, would be well received.

I am thinking of rigging a simple fuel polishing system that utilises the existing Racor set up.

Between the Racor filters and the engine insert a Y valve that goes to the engine or to a new inline 24v fuel pump (120 lph) that then goes to the fuel return line with a T connector.

In polishing mode, in a harbour or at anchor, with the engine off, the Y valve is set to send the fuel to the pump which is turned on, and back to the tank via the fuel return line. The fuel is circulated all day or overnight and is filtered. 

At the end just go back to normal mode and change the filter, check for debris.

Any thoughts? Total cost would be £45 for the pump plus a few fittings and a bit of hose. Call it £100.

Re: Fuel Polishing

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ian,

thanks for this. I was going to say the same but not knowing the number. I was once trouble shooting a fuel issue and rigged a 5 litre mini tank on the supply side, leaving the fuel return from the injector pump in place to the main tank.I was startled how quickly the 5 litre tank emptied. Obviously far more fuel is circulated than is used.

Having said that I have had my fuel tank cleaned when I was chasing a solution to low revs. (things you do when you've tried every thing) There was a build up of sludge that was not being picked up by the fuel supply pipe and thus causing no trouble. I put the boat on a dock. The fuel cleaner parked his gear alongside and circulated all my fuel through his system while agitating the tank. I could not believe the filth that he got out. Buckets of it. He started with a coarse filter and got a lot out, then finer and finally very fine. Had he started with the fine it would have clogged. However it was not the solution, I still had the problem but very clean fuel.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


On 10 April 2019 at 06:30 "ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...>" <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:

Hello,

 Can I encourage you to identify yourself, the name and number of your Amel and where it is ? Its just makes it easier for anyone else to respond.

 I do wonder about the necessity of fuel polishing. We have twin Racors before the engine fuel filter itself and only once in almost 30 years of owning three Amels have we had a problem with dirty fuel, a problem quickly fixed by switching from one Racor filter to the other. This is despite 8 years in third world countries with few leisure marine facilities

 What is rarely mentioned is that diesel engines recycle back to the fuel tank more litres every hour than they consume. With the D2-75  I'm told that that can be as much as 75%. The effect of this is that you automatically have a fuel polishing system in place.

I should be interested to hear of other experiences.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Lavrion, Greece


 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...>
Sent: 09 April 2019 17:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Polishing
 
Any opinions or better ideas, would be well received.

I am thinking of rigging a simple fuel polishing system that utilises the existing Racor set up.

Between the Racor filters and the engine insert a Y valve that goes to the engine or to a new inline 24v fuel pump (120 lph) that then goes to the fuel return line with a T connector.

In polishing mode, in a harbour or at anchor, with the engine off, the Y valve is set to send the fuel to the pump which is turned on, and back to the tank via the fuel return line. The fuel is circulated all day or overnight and is filtered. 

At the end just go back to normal mode and change the filter, check for debris.

Any thoughts? Total cost would be £45 for the pump plus a few fittings and a bit of hose. Call it £100.


 


 

Re: Fuel Polishing

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hello,

 Can I encourage you to identify yourself, the name and number of your Amel and where it is ? Its just makes it easier for anyone else to respond.

 I do wonder about the necessity of fuel polishing. We have twin Racors before the engine fuel filter itself and only once in almost 30 years of owning three Amels have we had a problem with dirty fuel, a problem quickly fixed by switching from one Racor filter to the other. This is despite 8 years in third world countries with few leisure marine facilities

 What is rarely mentioned is that diesel engines recycle back to the fuel tank more litres every hour than they consume. With the D2-75  I'm told that that can be as much as 75%. The effect of this is that you automatically have a fuel polishing system in place.

I should be interested to hear of other experiences.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Lavrion, Greece



From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...>
Sent: 09 April 2019 17:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Polishing
 
Any opinions or better ideas, would be well received.

I am thinking of rigging a simple fuel polishing system that utilises the existing Racor set up.

Between the Racor filters and the engine insert a Y valve that goes to the engine or to a new inline 24v fuel pump (120 lph) that then goes to the fuel return line with a T connector.

In polishing mode, in a harbour or at anchor, with the engine off, the Y valve is set to send the fuel to the pump which is turned on, and back to the tank via the fuel return line. The fuel is circulated all day or overnight and is filtered. 

At the end just go back to normal mode and change the filter, check for debris.

Any thoughts? Total cost would be £45 for the pump plus a few fittings and a bit of hose. Call it £100.

Fuel Polishing

ngtnewington Newington
 

Any opinions or better ideas, would be well received.

I am thinking of rigging a simple fuel polishing system that utilises the existing Racor set up.

Between the Racor filters and the engine insert a Y valve that goes to the engine or to a new inline 24v fuel pump (120 lph) that then goes to the fuel return line with a T connector.

In polishing mode, in a harbour or at anchor, with the engine off, the Y valve is set to send the fuel to the pump which is turned on, and back to the tank via the fuel return line. The fuel is circulated all day or overnight and is filtered. 

At the end just go back to normal mode and change the filter, check for debris.

Any thoughts? Total cost would be £45 for the pump plus a few fittings and a bit of hose. Call it £100.

Re: Main Furler and outhaul Gearbox coating

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Steve,

I suspect some previous owner coated the gearboxes in something, as they do not come from either the manufacturer or Amel that way. When I purchased new gear boxes from bonfiglioli, they came unpainted, and I painted them white. 

Pulling the mast and painting is on my list for when we finally arrive in NZ, and I’d be curious to hear how your project has gone, and any problems you encountered along the way. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Ko Olina, Hawaii

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Apr 9, 2019, at 2:00 AM, Capt. Steve Bode <whatsup@...> wrote:

Dear Friends,
I am rebuilding both of my main mast furlers (Main and outhaul). I'm repainting the mast and boom, so I've removed these units, stripped them down and sandblasted them. So, what's the deal with the heavy, rubber-like coasting that was on the gearboxes of these units. I'm perplexed. Heat, protection, what? Anyone know what the material was and should I replace that material or just repaint them? 

Kind Regards,
-Bode

Steve Bode, Captain of Sailing Vessel Intention
Currently Drydocked at ANT Yat Servis
Bodrum Marina Teknik Servisler
Neyzen Tevfik Cad. No. 5
48400 Bodrum, Mulga, Turkiye

Amel Super Maramu #117 (1994) 
+1 415-710-6659 voice/text/whatsapp

Re: Companionway Door Seal - New Photos Album & Photos

James Alton
 

Steven,
  My boat which is the Maramu model has two drain holes, one at each end of the box.  They are drill as far outboard as possible and angle downward as they pass through the engine room bulkhead.  Both holes were 100 percent plugged and my box filled up washing the boat so I went looking.  The holes were filled with dirt and only about 1/4" in diameter but once opened the box drains.  I am not sure if your boat will have these holes or not.  Mine look to be original since they would be impossible to drill in the current location without some disassembly.

James
Sv Sueno
Maramu #220

On Apr 9, 2019 9:23 AM, Steven Bode <steve@...> wrote:
HA! There's a drain hole in the companionway box?! I was just in a big storm in Bodrum two days ago and that box filled up with water! I mopped it out with a towel and was wondering if there was a hole down there. Could NOT find it. I imagined that Henri did not want another hole in his boat, but in my mind I started to design a drain hole with a J-pipe or something... Anyway, IS there supposed to be a hole there?
-Bode

Re: Companionway Door Seal - New Photos Album & Photos

Gary Silver
 

Hi Bode:

See message # 42837 posted by Olivier Beaute (if you don't know who he is please ask).  According to Olivier there are two drain holes in each box on all models from the Sharki to the 54.  The drain holes are small and easily plugged by debris. I suppose it is possible they were overlooked at the factory but I doubt it.  The door seal, if well maintained, should prevent large quantities of water in this box but what little gets in there should drain into the engine room bilge.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico