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Re: Hawse Pipe Replacement

James Alton
 

Gary,

   Perhaps Amel felt that the galvanized hawse would be less likely to corrode the chain due to dissimilar metals?  As long as the hawse had zinc left on it, it would help to protect the steel in the chain.   The fibreglass pipe idea is interesting to me since it could be made strong and would never corrode.   Eliminating the joint between the hawse and the fibreglass on the locker panels joints would be a good thing by keeping water from getting into the plywood at the hawse hole in the event that the caulking failed. The one problem is that fibreglass is not very resistant to chafe and in wearing the pipe down you will have some fibreglass fibers floating around...  I am thinking of using the fibreglass pipe idea but adding a replaceable plastic liner.  I am thinking of using a more slippery plastic than PVC but it sounds like it it working out well for some and would be a simple solution.  I am sure that you could also fashion a new hawse from 316 stainless that would wear well without a liner.  Lots of good ideas on the forum.
Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 

On Mar 6, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:

I have created this new thread to carry on the topic of "Hawse Pipe Replacement" that was started in the thread "Bow Locker Floor Replacement".  In that thread multiple folks have indicated that they have replaced, or are about to replace, their hawse pipe due to corrosion of the original galvanized pipe.  Over the years I have only seen a hand full of areas where Amel "got it wrong" and the floor of the bow lazarettos and using galvanized pipe (instead of stainless steel or some more durable material) for the hawse pipe are two. 

This topic is timely for me as I was just considering this project myself (having previously dealt with the floor issue).  The suggested materials so far are:

Schedule 40 PVC  or better yet Schedule 80 PVC pipe.
FRP pipe.

I had anticipated having a 316L stainless steel pipe fabricated with a flange at the top and bottom.  Other than cost, any thoughts on that idea?   It appears to me that the original pipe simply passed through the lazarette floor (no flange) and had a "tab" welded at the top, then was glassed in place.  Correct?

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Rico

Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

Thomas Kleman
 

I'm not planning on glassing the pipe in place as I want the ability to remove it easily. I will use two end flanges; one below the windlass under the deck and one below the floor of the bow locker. That holds it in place and allows removal by taking off the bottom flange.

Had it been installed that way originally I probably wouldn't have this problem. I'm making my access door in the floor of the port bow locker right next to the pipe so I can reach the flange if necessary.

Hawse Pipe Replacement

Gary Silver
 

I have created this new thread to carry on the topic of "Hawse Pipe Replacement" that was started in the thread "Bow Locker Floor Replacement".  In that thread multiple folks have indicated that they have replaced, or are about to replace, their hawse pipe due to corrosion of the original galvanized pipe.  Over the years I have only seen a hand full of areas where Amel "got it wrong" and the floor of the bow lazarettos and using galvanized pipe (instead of stainless steel or some more durable material) for the hawse pipe are two. 

This topic is timely for me as I was just considering this project myself (having previously dealt with the floor issue).  The suggested materials so far are:

Schedule 40 PVC  or better yet Schedule 80 PVC pipe.
FRP pipe.

I had anticipated having a 316L stainless steel pipe fabricated with a flange at the top and bottom.  Other than cost, any thoughts on that idea?   It appears to me that the original pipe simply passed through the lazarette floor (no flange) and had a "tab" welded at the top, then was glassed in place.  Correct?

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Rico

Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Warren,
Sorry, I don't recall the exact diameter but it was essentially the same as the original, to the closest US size I could find. It's not too critical since you're glassing in the new one so there's wiggle room. I only took "gee whiz" pictures of the old rotted out tube, but a picture of the finished job may not be very informative since it looks just like the old one (before it rusted out :-)
Best, Craig SN68 Sangaris

Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

 

Craig,

You might have missed a few, but you named one that I never noticed. AND, I can't say for sure that you missed anything.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Wed, Mar 6, 2019, 8:42 AM Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Olivier,
That sounds like a fun challenge question - here are my guesses:
1. the pipe down the port side for the steering cables
2. starboard from nav station to aft locker for SSB cables
3. starboard from forward hanging locker to nav station for sonic speed, depth and wind cables
4. in the overhead from galley to mast/boom etc. electrics above head.
5. down aft side of nav station, across floor at bulkhead to engine room for various cables
6. from port seat lazarette to galley for the line that locks the seat cover
7. inside port bow locker up high for running light wires
I'm sure I missed a few!
Cheers, Craig

Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Olivier,
That sounds like a fun challenge question - here are my guesses:
1. the pipe down the port side for the steering cables
2. starboard from nav station to aft locker for SSB cables
3. starboard from forward hanging locker to nav station for sonic speed, depth and wind cables
4. in the overhead from galley to mast/boom etc. electrics above head.
5. down aft side of nav station, across floor at bulkhead to engine room for various cables
6. from port seat lazarette to galley for the line that locks the seat cover
7. inside port bow locker up high for running light wires
I'm sure I missed a few!
Cheers, Craig

Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Thomas, Mark, Bill, Warren, and all happy Amel owners,

PVC can be difficult to glass with polyester or epoxy if not correctly prepared. The best way is to sand the place where the GRP will be applied, and degrease it with aceton.
Replacing the hawse pipe with PVC or other stiff plastic materials is OK. The only worry indeed is the chain wear inside the tube, so, you should opt for a thick one.

There are in fact two master pieces (and several minor pieces) of PVC tubes in your Amel boats, bonded with the hull and deck, and that I never heard of in terms of weakness or delamination. I let you guess what these pieces are.

Answer tomorrow.

Olivier.

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 1:40:59 PM GMT+1, Bill Kinney via Groups.Io <greatketch@...> wrote:


Thomas,

PVC is one good choice, another is fiberglass. There is FRP tubing available, and some supplies will sell short pieces cut to length. The advantage of it over PVC is that it can be glassed in easily. Neither epoxy nor polyester resins will reliably stick to PVC, but would bond well with FRP tube. In the unlikely event the chain ever wore through it, it would be easy to patch. 

Both would be long lasting. You selection might depend on your method of securing it. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Mayaguana, Bahamas 

Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Thomas,

PVC is one good choice, another is fiberglass. There is FRP tubing available, and some supplies will sell short pieces cut to length. The advantage of it over PVC is that it can be glassed in easily. Neither epoxy nor polyester resins will reliably stick to PVC, but would bond well with FRP tube. In the unlikely event the chain ever wore through it, it would be easy to patch. 

Both would be long lasting. You selection might depend on your method of securing it. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Mayaguana, Bahamas 

Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

Mark Erdos
 

If memory serves me correctly, I recall PVC not being totally compatible to fiberglass resins and epoxies. I would suggest structural fiberglass tubing as an option.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Warren Traill
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 11:46 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow locker floor replacement.....

 

Thanks Craig. We have to replace our hawse pipe too. Good information. What diameter of PVC did you use?

And could you possibly put up a photo of your finished job?

Cheers,

Warren

Manon2

Sharki#15

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Craig Briggs via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2019 9:48 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow locker floor replacement.....

 

Hello Thomas,
I replaced my hawse pipe with Schedule 80 PVC pipe 3 or 4 years ago (you can search my posts and find more detail.)  Schedule 80 is a little thicker than Schedule 40 and so far it is perfect - no visible wear after - just guessing - 100 anchorings. It was not available at the usual "big box' stores like Home Depot or Lowes, but I found it at a lawn sprinkler supplier. An option might be the grey PVC electrical conduit which is easy to find and inexpensive. Frankly, I would not hesitate to use Schedule 40 - it is all pretty tough stuff and it would not be a big job to replace after a few years if it were to wear. It is totally compatible with polyester resin and fiberglass to fasten it in to your locker floor replacement panels. 
Craig SN68 Sangaris.
  

Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

Warren Traill
 

Thanks Craig. We have to replace our hawse pipe too. Good information. What diameter of PVC did you use?

And could you possibly put up a photo of your finished job?

Cheers,

Warren

Manon2

Sharki#15

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Craig Briggs via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2019 9:48 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow locker floor replacement.....

 

Hello Thomas,
I replaced my hawse pipe with Schedule 80 PVC pipe 3 or 4 years ago (you can search my posts and find more detail.)  Schedule 80 is a little thicker than Schedule 40 and so far it is perfect - no visible wear after - just guessing - 100 anchorings. It was not available at the usual "big box' stores like Home Depot or Lowes, but I found it at a lawn sprinkler supplier. An option might be the grey PVC electrical conduit which is easy to find and inexpensive. Frankly, I would not hesitate to use Schedule 40 - it is all pretty tough stuff and it would not be a big job to replace after a few years if it were to wear. It is totally compatible with polyester resin and fiberglass to fasten it in to your locker floor replacement panels. 
Craig SN68 Sangaris.
  

Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hello Thomas,
I replaced my hawse pipe with Schedule 80 PVC pipe 3 or 4 years ago (you can search my posts and find more detail.)  Schedule 80 is a little thicker than Schedule 40 and so far it is perfect - no visible wear after - just guessing - 100 anchorings. It was not available at the usual "big box' stores like Home Depot or Lowes, but I found it at a lawn sprinkler supplier. An option might be the grey PVC electrical conduit which is easy to find and inexpensive. Frankly, I would not hesitate to use Schedule 40 - it is all pretty tough stuff and it would not be a big job to replace after a few years if it were to wear. It is totally compatible with polyester resin and fiberglass to fasten it in to your locker floor replacement panels. 
Craig SN68 Sangaris.
  

Re: DR or Turks and Caicos

Mark Erdos
 

Second vote for Turtle Cove on Providenciales, Turks and Caicos!!! As Ian said, be sure to take full advantage of the free pilot boat. It is a tight narrow channel with lots of reefs. Marina is very sheltered and offers great protection.

 

This is a big touristy island with a lot of resorts so there are plenty of flight choices.

 

The marina is not much to look at but it is centrally located. Walk to grocery and tons of restaurants. Car rental on site. Napa and hardware store also within walking distance. Or, use jitneys for about $3 to anywhere on the island.

 

Blue Haven is really nice but I don’t think they are fully operational yet due to damage from the hurricanes.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Townsend
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 6:59 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] DR or Turks and Caicos

 

On Providenciales in the T&Cs, there is a nice upscale marina called Blue Haven. 

 

A more reasonably priced option is Turtle Cove, also on Providenciales.

 

Both are well protected. You will need to get piloted in through the reef, especially for your first time. You will need car to get anywhere but there lots of services and shops. 

 

Ian & Margaret

S/V Loca Lola II 

SM153

Exumas, Bahamas


On Mar 5, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi all I’m looking for a good marina in either the Dominican republic or Turks and Keyko‘s for my travels back to the states from the Virgin Islands would appreciate any feedback thank you.
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
St Thomas
Independent Boat Yard


Re: DR or Turks and Caicos

Kelly Ran
 

We were quoted at $1.05 per foot at Turtle Cove yesterday. We ended up anchoring in the large vessel anchorage at Grace Bay. Coming in through Stubbs Cut, we saw a minimum of 4ft under the keel at high tide. 

kelly + ryan
SM233 Iteration
Provo

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 18:28 Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Ian


On Mar 5, 2019, at 5:59 PM, Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:

On Providenciales in the T&Cs, there is a nice upscale marina called Blue Haven. 

A more reasonably priced option is Turtle Cove, also on Providenciales.

Both are well protected. You will need to get piloted in through the reef, especially for your first time. You will need car to get anywhere but there lots of services and shops. 


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 5, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi all I’m looking for a good marina in either the Dominican republic or Turks and Keyko‘s for my travels back to the states from the Virgin Islands would appreciate any feedback thank you.
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
St Thomas
Independent Boat Yard



Re: DR or Turks and Caicos

Courtney Gorman
 

Thanks James 


On Mar 5, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Thanks Ian


On Mar 5, 2019, at 5:59 PM, Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:

On Providenciales in the T&Cs, there is a nice upscale marina called Blue Haven. 

A more reasonably priced option is Turtle Cove, also on Providenciales.

Both are well protected. You will need to get piloted in through the reef, especially for your first time. You will need car to get anywhere but there lots of services and shops. 


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 5, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi all I’m looking for a good marina in either the Dominican republic or Turks and Keyko‘s for my travels back to the states from the Virgin Islands would appreciate any feedback thank you.
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
St Thomas
Independent Boat Yard



Re: DR or Turks and Caicos

Courtney Gorman
 

Thanks Ian


On Mar 5, 2019, at 5:59 PM, Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:

On Providenciales in the T&Cs, there is a nice upscale marina called Blue Haven. 

A more reasonably priced option is Turtle Cove, also on Providenciales.

Both are well protected. You will need to get piloted in through the reef, especially for your first time. You will need car to get anywhere but there lots of services and shops. 


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 5, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi all I’m looking for a good marina in either the Dominican republic or Turks and Keyko‘s for my travels back to the states from the Virgin Islands would appreciate any feedback thank you.
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
St Thomas
Independent Boat Yard



Re: DR or Turks and Caicos

James Cromie
 

Currently, blue haven has only been offering floating docks and without water or electricity.  This is as of February 4 when I was at TCI.  Instead, I stayed at Turtle Cove. It was $.55/ft daily rate and water/electricity was very reasonable.  It is shallow in places so make sure they give you an appropriate slip. 
Definitely use their complimentary pilot service for entering. It is very circuitous and tricky.  Also, you may brush bottom at low tide.  I read ,2.2m at the shallowest point and that was half tide. 

There are a few good places to eat within walking distance. 

James
Soteria
Sm2k 347

On Mar 5, 2019 18:59, Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:
On Providenciales in the T&Cs, there is a nice upscale marina called Blue Haven. 

A more reasonably priced option is Turtle Cove, also on Providenciales.

Both are well protected. You will need to get piloted in through the reef, especially for your first time. You will need car to get anywhere but there lots of services and shops. 


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 5, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi all I’m looking for a good marina in either the Dominican republic or Turks and Keyko‘s for my travels back to the states from the Virgin Islands would appreciate any feedback thank you.
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
St Thomas
Independent Boat Yard




Re: DR or Turks and Caicos

Ian Townsend
 

On Providenciales in the T&Cs, there is a nice upscale marina called Blue Haven. 

A more reasonably priced option is Turtle Cove, also on Providenciales.

Both are well protected. You will need to get piloted in through the reef, especially for your first time. You will need car to get anywhere but there lots of services and shops. 


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 5, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi all I’m looking for a good marina in either the Dominican republic or Turks and Keyko‘s for my travels back to the states from the Virgin Islands would appreciate any feedback thank you.
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
St Thomas
Independent Boat Yard



Bow locker floor replacement.....

Thomas Kleman
 

On SM2K #422 (SV L'ORIENT) the bow locker floors have degraded and need replacement. I'm taking this on in the next two weeks and have pirated design ideas from Mark on Cream Puff, Bill Kinney and others (thanks in advance). I do have one pressing question as I finalize my materials.

I bought L'ORIENT in 2010, when she was 6 years old. The hawse pipe (galvanized steel, I believe) was already very severely corroded, which contributed to the floor damage I have now. I've faithfully adhered to the advice of folks in this group to keep my boat "an Amel", and have resisted doing anything that runs counter to that ethic from a maintenance perspective.

However, in the case of the galvanized steel hawse pipe, there is the well known invocation from Einstein that only an idiot repeats an experiment and expects a different result. I'm reluctant to replace my corroded hawse pipe with an exact replica, which I imagine began failing almost immediately after the boat was built. Has anyone used any other material for this conduit with success ? With the wide variety of super-plastics available, I was curious if someone had experimented with a solution like this, and what the result was. If I'm persuaded to use galvanized steel again, I plan on- at a minimum- installing it with flanges at each terminus to enable easy replacement, as I fear this will be necessary again.

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
Colon, Panama

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

Jose Venegas
 

What kind of paint do you recommend for the faux teak board?  I would like to do both the boards and the stripes.
On the same topic, are there Awlgrip paints for the faux teak boards and for the rest of deck.

Jose Venegas
Ipanema
SM2k #278
Boston

DR or Turks and Caicos

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi all I’m looking for a good marina in either the Dominican republic or Turks and Keyko‘s for my travels back to the states from the Virgin Islands would appreciate any feedback thank you.
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
St Thomas
Independent Boat Yard