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Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Rink De Haan
 

Hi James

As Mohammad said you only have to pay when sailing / ship out of the marina / out of customs bond . This was a Point of debate. At first you were excluded when your ship was on the hard. Now it is when your ship is in a marina / Harbour and you have your ship in customs bond. This you have to do at the Port Authorities. It is quite well explained at the FAQ part of the website mentioned. 

When you register at the website you will get a form with the appropriate amount generated. You have to go to a Greek bank or post office and pay it. Keep all forms and receipts on board. 

Using the webforms could generate errors. Most likely it will be the ships registration number which doesn’t fit the format. If so contact me. 

Cheers
Rink


Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>
Verzonden: vrijdag, mei 31, 2019 4:06 PM
Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
Rink de Haan,

   We plan to enter Greek waters this season and were considering storing in Greece as well.  Can you tell me if this tax applies to vessels in storage?  Thanks for sharing the link and this information,  sure don’t want to be paying hefty fines.

James

SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:

Dear all (cruising in Greek Waters),

Since many years there is a discussion about a "Cruising Tax" for ships in Greek waters.
It appears to be in place since the beginning of May. I received confirmation of this from Lefkas Marina where my ship is.
I checked the procedure and submitted my tax form today. Now waiting for payment instructions.

The tax for a Super Maramu (15.9 meters) will be €127 a month sailing). Fines of not paying are quite hefty. 

 

For log in and completion of the procedure please click at https://www1.aade.gr/aadeapps2/etepai/ (choose English).
The is a FAQ and a manual.

Best regards,
Rink de Haan
SM2K #330 Razor's Edge
Lefkas Marina, Greece

 



Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Gerhard Mueller
 

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi james;

The tax runs 8 Euros/meter per month. So for our 54 it ran 128Euros/month. This is for calendar month, so regardless of when you check in, they will charge for the full calendar month.

You can leave the cruising permit in bond with immigration or port police while wintering or not cruising and they will not charge untill you get the cruising permit out of bond.

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099

On May 31, 2019, at 5:06 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Rink de Haan,

   We plan to enter Greek waters this season and were considering storing in Greece as well.  Can you tell me if this tax applies to vessels in storage?  Thanks for sharing the link and this information,  sure don’t want to be paying hefty fines.

James

SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:

Dear all (cruising in Greek Waters),

Since many years there is a discussion about a "Cruising Tax" for ships in Greek waters.
It appears to be in place since the beginning of May. I received confirmation of this from Lefkas Marina where my ship is.
I checked the procedure and submitted my tax form today. Now waiting for payment instructions.

The tax for a Super Maramu (15.9 meters) will be €127 a month sailing). Fines of not paying are quite hefty. 

 

For log in and completion of the procedure please click at https://www1.aade.gr/aadeapps2/etepai/ (choose English).
The is a FAQ and a manual.

Best regards,
Rink de Haan
SM2K #330 Razor's Edge
Lefkas Marina, Greece

 



Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Rink de Haan,

   We plan to enter Greek waters this season and were considering storing in Greece as well.  Can you tell me if this tax applies to vessels in storage?  Thanks for sharing the link and this information,  sure don’t want to be paying hefty fines.

James

SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

On May 31, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:

Dear all (cruising in Greek Waters),

Since many years there is a discussion about a "Cruising Tax" for ships in Greek waters.
It appears to be in place since the beginning of May. I received confirmation of this from Lefkas Marina where my ship is.
I checked the procedure and submitted my tax form today. Now waiting for payment instructions.

The tax for a Super Maramu (15.9 meters) will be €127 a month sailing). Fines of not paying are quite hefty. 

 

For log in and completion of the procedure please click at https://www1.aade.gr/aadeapps2/etepai/ (choose English).
The is a FAQ and a manual.

Best regards,
Rink de Haan
SM2K #330 Razor's Edge
Lefkas Marina, Greece

 



Re: autoprop zinc

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Dear Bill,

My remark is only that if you have a fault on the grounding system if you have an zinc cap on the propeller you loss the zinc and not the bronze of the Autoprop .... and so you easily can see that you have a problem on you grounding ....

JLM on CottonBay


Le 31/05/2019 à 15:21, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :

Mr MERTZ,

I am sure of what I said. 

If your Gray Water Bilge Bonding Strap is not connected, and you experience any electrolysis to devices other than the Cast Iron Ballast, something else is wrong, possibly a break between the rudder anodes and the bonding system. 

I recommend checking for continuity between anodes and propeller each time you haulout of the water. If you are in the water and suspect a problem, I suggest that you check for continuity between the top of the rudder post and the top of the C-Drive. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, May 31, 2019, 8:04 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Not sure !

I my case I detected the fault on the bonding strap in the grey water bilge by seeing the colour of the Autopro propeller .... and ... after repairing the bonding, the propeller haven't change his colour ....

JL MERTZ on CottonBay



Le 31/05/2019 à 14:20, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Mr. MERTZ,

When the copper Bonding Strap in the Gray Water Bilge fails, it is the Cast Iron Ballast on the Keel Stub that is at risk, NOT the Propeller. 

The Propeller is protected by Amel bonding with the connection of a large yellow/green bonding wire connected to the C-Drive. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:02 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

After 15 years the main bonding in the lowest point in the black water box faille.

Then your Amel bonding system is NOT operating and the Autoprop is attacked ! his colour change !

JL MERTZ on CottonBay


Le 26/02/2019 à 15:06, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Yes H6 is correct, but Henri believed that only a plastic propeller hub should be used.

There are several reasons:
1.) The propeller is protected by the Amel Bonding system.
2.) When the AutoProp zinc deteriorates it is the attachment ears that go first. This causes off-balance and you can only use about 80% of the zinc.

AutoProp makes and recommends the zinc because they want the propeller protected and no other boat yard has a bonding system as good as Amel. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 6:37 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,

 

Yes. H6 is the correct one.

 

https://www.boatzincs.com/autoprop_specs_H6.html

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] autoprop zinc

 

I have just ordered a new H6 zinc for my autoprop.  Can anyone please let me know if the H6 is the correct size. 

Regards,
Miles
s/y Ladybug, sm216  Le Marin, Martinique


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Greek Cruising Tax

Rink De Haan
 

Dear all (cruising in Greek Waters),

Since many years there is a discussion about a "Cruising Tax" for ships in Greek waters.
It appears to be in place since the beginning of May. I received confirmation of this from Lefkas Marina where my ship is.
I checked the procedure and submitted my tax form today. Now waiting for payment instructions.

The tax for a Super Maramu (15.9 meters) will be €127 a month sailing). Fines of not paying are quite hefty. 

 

For log in and completion of the procedure please click at https://www1.aade.gr/aadeapps2/etepai/ (choose English).
The is a FAQ and a manual.

Best regards,
Rink de Haan
SM2K #330 Razor's Edge
Lefkas Marina, Greece

 


Re: Amel 54 Standing Rigging and changes to the Mainmast Lower and Intermediate Shrouds

Roque
 

Thanks. 

Em sex, 31 de mai de 2019 às 10:25, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu:

No I had the riggers at Spice Island Marine in Grenada make it all up.
Nick



On 31 May 2019, at 13:36, Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:

Nick

Diz you buy the new rig from ACMO?

Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty Brazil 

Em sex, 31 de mai de 2019 às 00:26, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu:
Amelia AML 54-019 2006 has 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediaries.
This is annoying as when I bought the boat in 2017, I had all new standing rigging made.
Food for thought.....
Nick


On 30 May 2019, at 19:08, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Thanks, Dean. As far as I know, that makes Stella #154 the earliest produced Amel 54 with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.

This is a summary of what I know as of today. I am sure the hull numbers will narrow with more reporting:
  1. #46 (2007) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. Had rig failure due to lower shroud failure-reported in Amel Yacht Owners Group ​in ​July 2014.
  2. #117 (2009) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  3. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  4. #154 (2010) was produced with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.
 
Best,
 


Re: Amel 54 Standing Rigging and changes to the Mainmast Lower and Intermediate Shrouds

ngtnewington Newington
 

No I had the riggers at Spice Island Marine in Grenada make it all up.
Nick


On 31 May 2019, at 13:36, Roque <ediroque@...> wrote:

Nick

Diz you buy the new rig from ACMO?

Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty Brazil 

Em sex, 31 de mai de 2019 às 00:26, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu:
Amelia AML 54-019 2006 has 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediaries.
This is annoying as when I bought the boat in 2017, I had all new standing rigging made.
Food for thought.....
Nick


On 30 May 2019, at 19:08, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Thanks, Dean. As far as I know, that makes Stella #154 the earliest produced Amel 54 with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.

This is a summary of what I know as of today. I am sure the hull numbers will narrow with more reporting:
  1. #46 (2007) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. Had rig failure due to lower shroud failure-reported in Amel Yacht Owners Group ​in ​July 2014.
  2. #117 (2009) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  3. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  4. #154 (2010) was produced with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.
 
Best,
 


Re: autoprop zinc

 

Mr MERTZ,

I am sure of what I said. 

If your Gray Water Bilge Bonding Strap is not connected, and you experience any electrolysis to devices other than the Cast Iron Ballast, something else is wrong, possibly a break between the rudder anodes and the bonding system. 

I recommend checking for continuity between anodes and propeller each time you haulout of the water. If you are in the water and suspect a problem, I suggest that you check for continuity between the top of the rudder post and the top of the C-Drive. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, May 31, 2019, 8:04 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Not sure !

I my case I detected the fault on the bonding strap in the grey water bilge by seeing the colour of the Autopro propeller .... and ... after repairing the bonding, the propeller haven't change his colour ....

JL MERTZ on CottonBay



Le 31/05/2019 à 14:20, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Mr. MERTZ,

When the copper Bonding Strap in the Gray Water Bilge fails, it is the Cast Iron Ballast on the Keel Stub that is at risk, NOT the Propeller. 

The Propeller is protected by Amel bonding with the connection of a large yellow/green bonding wire connected to the C-Drive. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:02 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

After 15 years the main bonding in the lowest point in the black water box faille.

Then your Amel bonding system is NOT operating and the Autoprop is attacked ! his colour change !

JL MERTZ on CottonBay


Le 26/02/2019 à 15:06, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Yes H6 is correct, but Henri believed that only a plastic propeller hub should be used.

There are several reasons:
1.) The propeller is protected by the Amel Bonding system.
2.) When the AutoProp zinc deteriorates it is the attachment ears that go first. This causes off-balance and you can only use about 80% of the zinc.

AutoProp makes and recommends the zinc because they want the propeller protected and no other boat yard has a bonding system as good as Amel. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 6:37 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,

 

Yes. H6 is the correct one.

 

https://www.boatzincs.com/autoprop_specs_H6.html

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] autoprop zinc

 

I have just ordered a new H6 zinc for my autoprop.  Can anyone please let me know if the H6 is the correct size. 

Regards,
Miles
s/y Ladybug, sm216  Le Marin, Martinique


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Re: autoprop zinc

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

Not sure !

I my case I detected the fault on the bonding strap in the grey water bilge by seeing the colour of the Autopro propeller .... and ... after repairing the bonding, the propeller haven't change his colour ....

JL MERTZ on CottonBay



Le 31/05/2019 à 14:20, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :

Mr. MERTZ,

When the copper Bonding Strap in the Gray Water Bilge fails, it is the Cast Iron Ballast on the Keel Stub that is at risk, NOT the Propeller. 

The Propeller is protected by Amel bonding with the connection of a large yellow/green bonding wire connected to the C-Drive. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:02 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

After 15 years the main bonding in the lowest point in the black water box faille.

Then your Amel bonding system is NOT operating and the Autoprop is attacked ! his colour change !

JL MERTZ on CottonBay


Le 26/02/2019 à 15:06, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Yes H6 is correct, but Henri believed that only a plastic propeller hub should be used.

There are several reasons:
1.) The propeller is protected by the Amel Bonding system.
2.) When the AutoProp zinc deteriorates it is the attachment ears that go first. This causes off-balance and you can only use about 80% of the zinc.

AutoProp makes and recommends the zinc because they want the propeller protected and no other boat yard has a bonding system as good as Amel. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 6:37 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,

 

Yes. H6 is the correct one.

 

https://www.boatzincs.com/autoprop_specs_H6.html

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] autoprop zinc

 

I have just ordered a new H6 zinc for my autoprop.  Can anyone please let me know if the H6 is the correct size. 

Regards,
Miles
s/y Ladybug, sm216  Le Marin, Martinique


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Re: autoprop zinc

 

Mr. MERTZ,

When the copper Bonding Strap in the Gray Water Bilge fails, it is the Cast Iron Ballast on the Keel Stub that is at risk, NOT the Propeller. 

The Propeller is protected by Amel bonding with the connection of a large yellow/green bonding wire connected to the C-Drive. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, May 31, 2019, 2:02 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

After 15 years the main bonding in the lowest point in the black water box faille.

Then your Amel bonding system is NOT operating and the Autoprop is attacked ! his colour change !

JL MERTZ on CottonBay


Le 26/02/2019 à 15:06, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Yes H6 is correct, but Henri believed that only a plastic propeller hub should be used.

There are several reasons:
1.) The propeller is protected by the Amel Bonding system.
2.) When the AutoProp zinc deteriorates it is the attachment ears that go first. This causes off-balance and you can only use about 80% of the zinc.

AutoProp makes and recommends the zinc because they want the propeller protected and no other boat yard has a bonding system as good as Amel. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 6:37 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,

 

Yes. H6 is the correct one.

 

https://www.boatzincs.com/autoprop_specs_H6.html

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] autoprop zinc

 

I have just ordered a new H6 zinc for my autoprop.  Can anyone please let me know if the H6 is the correct size. 

Regards,
Miles
s/y Ladybug, sm216  Le Marin, Martinique


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Re: Amel 54 Standing Rigging and changes to the Mainmast Lower and Intermediate Shrouds

 

Nick, that is exactly the reason I posted this as soon as I found out about it and confirmed that it happened. Amel 54 owners need to know. 

I am sure that if you didn't go to Amel or ACMO, you probably wouldn't have found out that your rigging was undersized based on apparent changes communicated to ACMO and the last 54s built. 

You are faced with making a decision on whether to change 4 shrouds, which could cost about 20% of the total. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, May 30, 2019, 10:26 PM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Amelia AML 54-019 2006 has 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediaries.
This is annoying as when I bought the boat in 2017, I had all new standing rigging made.
Food for thought.....
Nick


On 30 May 2019, at 19:08, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Thanks, Dean. As far as I know, that makes Stella #154 the earliest produced Amel 54 with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.

This is a summary of what I know as of today. I am sure the hull numbers will narrow with more reporting:
  1. #46 (2007) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. Had rig failure due to lower shroud failure-reported in Amel Yacht Owners Group ​in ​July 2014.
  2. #117 (2009) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  3. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  4. #154 (2010) was produced with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Amel 54 Standing Rigging and changes to the Mainmast Lower and Intermediate Shrouds

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Thank you Bill, these is great info!

On WASABI #55 (2007) I can confirm
MAIN:
   Top Shroud (Galhaubans) 12mm
   Intermediate Shroud (Inters) 8mm 
   Lower Shroud (Bas Haubans AR) 10mm
- Backstay 10mm

Bill I measured also MIZZEN shrouds which have 8mm and 7mm. Is that standard? I feel strange metric? 
- Top Shroud 8mm
- Lower Shroud 7mm
- Backstays 7mm

Thanks and best regards 
Ruedi
WASABI - A54#55
Currently Pylos, GR.

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Thanks, Dean. As far as I know, that makes Stella #154 the earliest produced Amel 54 with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.

This is a summary of what I know as of today. I am sure the hull numbers will narrow with more reporting:
  1. #46 (2007) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. Had rig failure due to lower shroud failure-reported in Amel Yacht Owners Group ​in ​July 2014.
  2. #117 (2009) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  3. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  4. #154 (2010) was produced with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Amel 54 Standing Rigging and changes to the Mainmast Lower and Intermediate Shrouds

Roque
 

Nick

Diz you buy the new rig from ACMO?

Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty Brazil 

Em sex, 31 de mai de 2019 às 00:26, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu:

Amelia AML 54-019 2006 has 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediaries.
This is annoying as when I bought the boat in 2017, I had all new standing rigging made.
Food for thought.....
Nick


On 30 May 2019, at 19:08, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Thanks, Dean. As far as I know, that makes Stella #154 the earliest produced Amel 54 with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.

This is a summary of what I know as of today. I am sure the hull numbers will narrow with more reporting:
  1. #46 (2007) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. Had rig failure due to lower shroud failure-reported in Amel Yacht Owners Group ​in ​July 2014.
  2. #117 (2009) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  3. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  4. #154 (2010) was produced with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.
 
Best,
 


Re: autoprop zinc

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi. I regard my propellor too precious to risk so I put a shaft zink on between the prop and the c drive housing. I have to cut it back a bit to fit. Obviously this means i can't have a cutter there but in 10 years ive had only once where a lobster pot line got caught up.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 31 May 2019 at 19:02 "jlm@..." <jlm@...> wrote:

After 15 years the main bonding in the lowest point in the black water box faille.

Then your Amel bonding system is NOT operating and the Autoprop is attacked ! his colour change !

JL MERTZ on CottonBay


Le 26/02/2019 à 15:06, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Yes H6 is correct, but Henri believed that only a plastic propeller hub should be used.

There are several reasons:
1.) The propeller is protected by the Amel Bonding system.
2.) When the AutoProp zinc deteriorates it is the attachment ears that go first. This causes off-balance and you can only use about 80% of the zinc.

AutoProp makes and recommends the zinc because they want the propeller protected and no other boat yard has a bonding system as good as Amel. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 6:37 AM Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,

 

Yes. H6 is the correct one.

 

https://www.boatzincs.com/autoprop_specs_H6.html

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] autoprop zinc

 

I have just ordered a new H6 zinc for my autoprop.  Can anyone please let me know if the H6 is the correct size. 

Regards,
Miles
s/y Ladybug, sm216  Le Marin, Martinique

 

Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com


 


 


Re: Amel 54 Standing Rigging and changes to the Mainmast Lower and Intermediate Shrouds

Porter McRoberts
 

Great info Bill. Thank you. 
I’ll measure and get back to you
Porter
S/V IBIS 54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On May 29, 2019, at 12:24 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Amel 54 owners,

Many of you are considering new standing rigging.
 
It has come to my attention that sometime between 2009 and 2010 Amel installed larger size Mainmast Lower and Intermediate Shrouds on Amel 54s. I am not sure at which hull number the change took place, but I know that the smaller shrouds were still being used from the first Amel 54 to hull 117 (2009); and I know that the larger shrouds were installed on hull 162 (2010). Between these two hull numbers, Amel increased the wire size, first on the Lower and later on both the Lower and Intermediate shrouds. 
 
   Amel 54 Mainmast Shrouds latest information (French):
   Top Shroud (Galhaubans) 12mm (no change)
   Intermediate Shroud (Inters) 10mm (changed from 8mm)
   Lower Shroud (Bas Haubans AR) 12mm (changed from 10mm)
 
ACMO, Amel's OEM standing rigging supplier, currently ships the larger Lower and Intermediate shrouds when they receive orders for either these shrouds separately, or a complete standing rigging kit. If you have already installed new rigging and you or your rigger ordered the rigging from ACMO, you are likely fine. If the rigging was not made by ACMO, chances are your new wire is the same size as the wire you had. This may be a problem for you.

Obviously, you will need to inform any rigger you use of this change. This week I have informed several riggers that I regularly contact, 

As with some information I share with the Amel Yacht Owners Group, my information is not necessarily officially from Amel. I do not speak for Amel. This is the case with this Amel 54 rigging wire size change. Because some of you are currently in the process of changing rigging, I am posting what I know today. If I learn more about this subject, I will update you here.
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: autoprop zinc

jlm@jlmertz.fr
 

After 15 years the main bonding in the lowest point in the black water box faille.

Then your Amel bonding system is NOT operating and the Autoprop is attacked ! his colour change !

JL MERTZ on CottonBay


Le 26/02/2019 à 15:06, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Yes H6 is correct, but Henri believed that only a plastic propeller hub should be used.

There are several reasons:
1.) The propeller is protected by the Amel Bonding system.
2.) When the AutoProp zinc deteriorates it is the attachment ears that go first. This causes off-balance and you can only use about 80% of the zinc.

AutoProp makes and recommends the zinc because they want the propeller protected and no other boat yard has a bonding system as good as Amel. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 6:37 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,

 

Yes. H6 is the correct one.

 

https://www.boatzincs.com/autoprop_specs_H6.html

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Miles
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 8:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] autoprop zinc

 

I have just ordered a new H6 zinc for my autoprop.  Can anyone please let me know if the H6 is the correct size. 

Regards,
Miles
s/y Ladybug, sm216  Le Marin, Martinique


Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com


Re: Amel 54 Standing Rigging and changes to the Mainmast Lower and Intermediate Shrouds

ngtnewington Newington
 

Amelia AML 54-019 2006 has 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediaries.
This is annoying as when I bought the boat in 2017, I had all new standing rigging made.
Food for thought.....
Nick


On 30 May 2019, at 19:08, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Thanks, Dean. As far as I know, that makes Stella #154 the earliest produced Amel 54 with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.

This is a summary of what I know as of today. I am sure the hull numbers will narrow with more reporting:
  1. #46 (2007) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. Had rig failure due to lower shroud failure-reported in Amel Yacht Owners Group ​in ​July 2014.
  2. #117 (2009) was produced with 10mm lowers and 8mm intermediates. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  3. #128 (2009) was produced with 12mm lowers and 8mm Intermediates.
  4. #154 (2010) was produced with 12mm lowers and 10mm Intermediates.
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Genoa Fair Leads

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ken, everyone to their own. I didnt think once every 17 years too arduous to remove two  screws in the stauncheon base.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 31 May 2019 at 09:16 Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:

Removing the end-stop and the stanchion each time you need to replace the sliders or the springs is a bit much.  I think that removing the un-needed part of the track was the right decision.  Now, I remove one bolt and I can remove the Genoa car.  

Thanks!

Ken


Re: Genoa Fair Leads

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Removing the end-stop and the stanchion each time you need to replace the sliders or the springs is a bit much.  I think that removing the un-needed part of the track was the right decision.  Now, I remove one bolt and I can remove the Genoa car.  

Thanks!

Ken