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Amel SM 2000 in the UK

Mark Barter
 

I have been lurking on this site for a few weeks now because I am almost sure that my wife and I want to buy a Super Maramu 2000. 

I say almost sure because we haven’t actually seen one yet in the flesh. I have watched and re watched many boat tours on YouTube but we would really like to see one for real before we commit to searching for one.

If any SM 2000 owner is in the UK would you mind if we came and had a look? We would be very grateful. Many thanks in advance. 

Mark & Nicky

Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank #Wiki

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Amelians,

 

Short status to our „water in the tank adventure”.  

 

After draining and draining no more water came out even after a 7 hours testrun, so we decided to sail from Costa Rica to Mexico, we thought the problem has been solved. Difficult sailing with two full days of gale force Papagayos in Costa Rica and Nicaragua, later with less wind but confusing rough seas, sailing and motoring like in a cocktail shaker. When the amount of fuel left in the tank went down to 100 liters and the tank has been shaked well again we had the water problem. So every 2 hours dewatering the filters.  As soon as we refuelled from our Jerry Cans (12 gallons, of course we had to do that in the night) the fuel stayed clean again, but we still checked all filters every two hours and drain them a little bit.

 

Some experiences to share:

  • Sometimes the prefilter (water separator) had no water in, but the Second Filter (Racor) had water, sometimes the prefilter caught all the water, sometimes both had water in.
  • No water seemed to pass the Racor filter (Only first time when the racor got full), but plenty of water passed by the water separator
  • When the water separator triggered an alarm the Racor was already more than full with water. It is not enough to wait for the alarm, so many water passes the primary filter that – wehen the alarm is triggered, a lot of water might be already in the injectors…  I will clean the separator carefully and check if it will work more reliable then…
  • I will upgrade my “single racor” to a “double racor” where I can switch from one filter to the other and reuse the old one for the genset

 

Next steps, here in Marina Chiapas, before we continue heading north:

  • We have to solve that here, sailing north the next 1000 miles with the same setup is not possible
  • We have to remove all the old fuel from the tank and clean it. There seems to be no “sludge”, only dirty fuel (not clear) and water
  • First we try to pump the fuel out, with local help, will see how that works. Maybe it can be done without an “inspection opening”, not sure if that could be installed professional here. I would prefer to do that by myself during summer storage using the nice “seabuilt” solution that Craig recommended and just remove all fuel and water now.  Maybe it can be done with a small flexible hose like I use for changing oil?.

 

More Questions:

  • Has anyone a drawing of the tank construction? How is it made inside? Is it possible to put a hose from the tank filling to the lowest point below the outlet to the filter or will it be blocked by any separations?
  • Joel advised to make two inspection hatches, are there two chambers, how are they separated? 

 

Thanks for all your comments, pictures and recommendations!!!

 

herbert, SN120, KALI MERA, Marina Chiapas, Mexico

 

P.S.: Are there any recommendations for safe yards (hardstanding) during the hurricane season in Mexico??

Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

Ian Townsend
 

Alan, this might sound a bit off the wall but thought I'd share our experience. We have an older 40/50 L/hr DC-only Dessalator. We disconnected the water quality sensor wires sometime ago and now rely just on a hand held TDS meter.

Anytime we have had a shutdown problem (about three times in the last two years) it was caused by a loose fuse holder on the circuit board. As you might expect, I originally thought it was a blown fuse. But when I checked for this, there was no fuse issue but I did notice that the holder was quite loose. So I simply squeezed it, put the fuse back in and voila, it ran like a charm until the next time six months later.


Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:49 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

Hi Gary, when it shuts down it is definitely not a breaker and to be honest I did not notice any lights at all when it shut down. I noticed on the pressure gauge that the pressure gauge dropped off right after it shut down. I released the pressure knob all the way then started it up again and all went well till we shut it down. I imagine with the wiring off the back of the pressure sensor the red light would not come on
Regards
Alan Grayson
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Sent: Thursday, 28 March 2019 2:01:22 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 
Hi Alan:

If I understand your trouble shooting process, when you take the high pressure switch out of the circuit by disconnecting the wires to that switch, the unit will run for about one hour, making good quality water (as measured using a hand held TDS meter) but then will shut down and gives a red light at the control panel.  Is that correct?  

I want to confirm that when the shut down occurs it isn't due to a circuit breaker opening.  Correct?

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona 
Amel SM 2000 #335

Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Gary, when it shuts down it is definitely not a breaker and to be honest I did not notice any lights at all when it shut down. I noticed on the pressure gauge that the pressure gauge dropped off right after it shut down. I released the pressure knob all the way then started it up again and all went well till we shut it down. I imagine with the wiring off the back of the pressure sensor the red light would not come on
Regards
Alan Grayson
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Sent: Thursday, 28 March 2019 2:01:22 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 
Hi Alan:

If I understand your trouble shooting process, when you take the high pressure switch out of the circuit by disconnecting the wires to that switch, the unit will run for about one hour, making good quality water (as measured using a hand held TDS meter) but then will shut down and gives a red light at the control panel.  Is that correct?  

I want to confirm that when the shut down occurs it isn't due to a circuit breaker opening.  Correct?

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona 
Amel SM 2000 #335

Insurance Settlement (from 2014 accident).

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

As some might remember, in July 2014 while I was docked in a marina in Nassau when a powerboat (insured by Pantaenuis) lost control, panic then destroyed my bow pulpit.

At the time, Cabinet Insurance DeLassee through which I subscribed the Helvetia Insurance recognized I was at “zero fault”, but asked me to accept 50% responsibility because it was not worth to them to hire a lawyer since the damaged were only $20.000…
I first refused, but after 8 months of loosing arguments and pretty having my boat taken hostage, waiting for repair and my visa about to expire, I gave up and accepted the 50% responsibility…

Repair were finished in April 2015.
Ever since I have been reminding them 70% of the amount had been paid.

Finally today I saw pending the last 30%.
That is almost 4 years after the reparations were done (or 4 years 8 months after the accident).

Never give up.

Still unsolved is the total loss following Hurricane Irma in September 2017. I will keep you updated.

Sincerely, Alexandre
Formerly SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

 

Noonsite thinks you can: 

Varadero Aruba Marina & Boatyard

Bucutiweg #34 , Oranjestad , Aruba 
Tel:+297 588 3850 
Fax: 
VHF Channel 16 
info@... 
New 8ft dredged channel, 40 ton travel lift, 20 and 60 ton hydraulic trailers. Max length 80ft, max width 40ft (multi-hulls).<br> Located outside the hurricane belt. Enlarged shore storage area plus being an entrepot area which allows exemption to the 180 day stay limit. Full repair services.<br> Fuel, WiFi and restaurant.

And a Noonsite contributor says: Nov 2017 - Varadero marina in Aruba is a very good place to haul out the boat, and to leave it for the season. 

Good things: 
1.Out of Hurricane belt 
2.Very professional at the yard, all lifting/launching operation were carefully managed 
3.Reasonably priced 
4.Close to the airport 
5.A good bar/restaurant in the marina. 

Not so good: 
1. A little bit far from the city and the shops, you must rely on taxi (expensive), a bus (very few during the day), or your dinghy: in five minutes through the lagoon you will be at Reinassance Hotel/harbour in the city center. 
2. Rats in the yard, when leaving the boat do not leave any ropes from the deck to the ground, or your anchor chain dangling. 
3.The place is close to the airport, so noise and gas smell are dominant.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 10:53 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

James,

 

I’m not sure you can get into Varadero marina and boatyard. It is not surveyed. Our charts show “Unsurveyed. Depths between 7 and 10 ft. Stoney”. Do they have a privately maintained channel? I know they do dredging as part of their operations so perhaps this is the case. Else, Aruba is a really nice duty free island with cheap airfares to and from the USA.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

 

Thank you Colin, and others for posting all this information on the various options for storage.  

 

No one has mentioned much about Aruba, but they seem to be rather competitively priced for dry storage.  Does anyone have an opinion  or experience with work or storage in Aruba - specifically at Veradero Marine? 

 

Thanks,

James  

Soteria #347

 

 

On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:40 PM, Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

 

Hello Colin, 

 

Our experience at both was good. Both regularly handle Amels.  There were 4 other SM and a 54 at Curacao Marine while we were there.  There were at least 3 other SM in and out of  Peake when we were there.  We did not have much work done at either yard. We had bottom paint and hull wax applied at Peake, and only the hull polished at Curacao Marine.  A number of other boats we're having there bottoms refinished with copper-coat at Curacao Marine.  Seems they have the expertise and good price. 

 

Depth entering Curacao marina is something to watch but not a problem.  The use a submersible lift to lift the boat from the water and then place in the yard.  Peake uses a travel lift to hoist the boat and then they use a hydralic loft to move the boat around the yard. I saw no issues with either method.

 

Although I did not have much work done at either yard, my impression was that if you had a more varied list of jobs you wanted done then I would favor Peake.  What I observed and through limited interaction was that they had good electronic guy, canvis shop, diesel, and rigging on site. There was also a very good looking wood shop over at Powerboats next door.  And many other Marine services in the area.  They had a full time staff to professionally manage scheduling and completion of work at Peake.  Curacao Marine did seem to struggle a bit with that.

 

I did not think that Curacao was well set up for "boat minding". The boats are in a secure "bonded" yard so you can not hire your own boat minder.  The yard manager would do it, but really he had to many other things and no organizational support.  

 

At Curacao they do not have lodging on site. You have to book your own. Rental cars are cheep. Budget Marine was pretty good for sourcing my anchor chain.  Shopping  for other supplies is very good.   An additional benefit is adding a nice stop at Bonaire on the way.

 

Let me know if you have any more specific questions.

 

Regards, Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, sm#387

 

 

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:57 AM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@... wrote:

Hi Dan

 

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

 

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

 

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

 

Thanks in advance

Colin & Lauren Streeter

SV Island Pearl II, SM#332

Pinny Beach, Nevis

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

 

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:

Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

 

-James

On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

 

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.

The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.

The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.

They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.

In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.

In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.

Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.

The address is: reservations@...

 

If you want more info I am at your disposal.

Good luck.

Giorgio Ardrizzi

Saudade III - Sharki #1

 

Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:

I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra

 

 

 

 

 


 

--

Colin Streeter

0411 016 445

 

 

 

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

I’m not sure you can get into Varadero marina and boatyard. It is not surveyed. Our charts show “Unsurveyed. Depths between 7 and 10 ft. Stoney”. Do they have a privately maintained channel? I know they do dredging as part of their operations so perhaps this is the case. Else, Aruba is a really nice duty free island with cheap airfares to and from the USA.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:28 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

 

Thank you Colin, and others for posting all this information on the various options for storage.  

 

No one has mentioned much about Aruba, but they seem to be rather competitively priced for dry storage.  Does anyone have an opinion  or experience with work or storage in Aruba - specifically at Veradero Marine? 

 

Thanks,

James  

Soteria #347

 

 

On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:40 PM, Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

 

Hello Colin, 

 

Our experience at both was good. Both regularly handle Amels.  There were 4 other SM and a 54 at Curacao Marine while we were there.  There were at least 3 other SM in and out of  Peake when we were there.  We did not have much work done at either yard. We had bottom paint and hull wax applied at Peake, and only the hull polished at Curacao Marine.  A number of other boats we're having there bottoms refinished with copper-coat at Curacao Marine.  Seems they have the expertise and good price. 

 

Depth entering Curacao marina is something to watch but not a problem.  The use a submersible lift to lift the boat from the water and then place in the yard.  Peake uses a travel lift to hoist the boat and then they use a hydralic loft to move the boat around the yard. I saw no issues with either method.

 

Although I did not have much work done at either yard, my impression was that if you had a more varied list of jobs you wanted done then I would favor Peake.  What I observed and through limited interaction was that they had good electronic guy, canvis shop, diesel, and rigging on site. There was also a very good looking wood shop over at Powerboats next door.  And many other Marine services in the area.  They had a full time staff to professionally manage scheduling and completion of work at Peake.  Curacao Marine did seem to struggle a bit with that.

 

I did not think that Curacao was well set up for "boat minding". The boats are in a secure "bonded" yard so you can not hire your own boat minder.  The yard manager would do it, but really he had to many other things and no organizational support.  

 

At Curacao they do not have lodging on site. You have to book your own. Rental cars are cheep. Budget Marine was pretty good for sourcing my anchor chain.  Shopping  for other supplies is very good.   An additional benefit is adding a nice stop at Bonaire on the way.

 

Let me know if you have any more specific questions.

 

Regards, Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, sm#387

 

 

 

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:57 AM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@... wrote:

Hi Dan

 

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

 

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

 

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

 

Thanks in advance

Colin & Lauren Streeter

SV Island Pearl II, SM#332

Pinny Beach, Nevis

 

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

 

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:

Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

 

-James

On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

 

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.

The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.

The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.

They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.

In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.

In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.

Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.

The address is: reservations@...

 

If you want more info I am at your disposal.

Good luck.

Giorgio Ardrizzi

Saudade III - Sharki #1

 

Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:

I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra

 

 

 

 

 


 

--

Colin Streeter

0411 016 445

 

 

 

Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

Gary Silver
 

Hi Alan:

If I understand your trouble shooting process, when you take the high pressure switch out of the circuit by disconnecting the wires to that switch, the unit will run for about one hour, making good quality water (as measured using a hand held TDS meter) but then will shut down and gives a red light at the control panel.  Is that correct?  

I want to confirm that when the shut down occurs it isn't due to a circuit breaker opening.  Correct?

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona 
Amel SM 2000 #335

Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Alan,

Dessalator.com has the pressure switch for 156.26€ without VAT. Part number 100027.

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Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:39 AM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Here’s what I have found.
I installed a bypass hose on the product water so I could divert the water before it went into the tank.
I removed the wires off the pressure sensor and everything came back to life. I ran it till the green “good water light came on then rotated the pressure knob until indicator was just in the green. Product water flowed. I tested the water every 3-4 mins and quality slowly improved. After about 15 mins it was down around 315 on my TDS meter so diverted it into the tank. We ran for 45 mins with no problem while keeping a good eye on the pressure gauge. We have run it 4 times since then and the only issue I have had is around the hour mark it will suddenly shut off and it is always when we are not watching, hopefully I will catch it one time.
I assume I should get 60 liters of product water per hour?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...>
Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2019 1:44:05 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 
One more thought, having lost much hair getting my water maker to work after new membranes:

Have you sampled and tested the “fresh” water output just before the red light comes on? If it is too salty, the switch will trip and shut it down. I had this problem because of incorrectly installed O-rings with the membrane. I am assuming new O-rings were installed with the new membranes?

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
St Augustine, Florida



On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:36 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Alan,

Some random observations:
  1. The pressure knob should be turned all the way anticlockwise when flushing.
  2. It is possible that you have some sort of failure with the 24VDC bypass solenoid
  3. You should not have any waterflow showing in the glass waterflow indicator when flushing with freshwater.  I think it is possible that something is causing freshwater to pass through the tube and V shaped Brine seals to the product water pathway. The possible causes could be damaged V shaped Brine seals, something wrong in the assembly of the membranes, tubes and end caps, or possibly something wrong with the bypass solenoid. 
  4. The most common "Red Light" shutdown is because the high pressure sensor senses too high pressure. This is commonly caused by a defective pressure gauge. In other words, the actual pressure is higher than 50 bar and the sensor shuts the system down. I was supporting a client yesterday with this defective pressure gauge issue. I had him turn the pressure valve to about 1/2" short of the green. His system did not shut down and began making about 60 liters per hour.
  5. Flow indication when the pressure valve is completely turned anticlockwise and flushing with freshwater may be an indication of incorrect orientation of the tube end caps causing the shaped brine seal to be ineffective i.e. oriented the wrong way. It might also be caused by the hoses connected in reversed locations.
Take a look at the attached PDF, which is a page from my book. 

Be very careful because even the slightest reverse pressure (1-2 BAR) through the membranes will damage the membranes and cause them to be ineffective. By reverse pressure, I mean water flowing backwards from the product water output back into the membrane tubes. Unfortunately some people refer to the process of freshwater flushing as "backwashing." It is not. Freshwater flushing flushes the entire saltwater pathway and only the outside of the membranes.

I hope this helps.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:15 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hi Eric, yes I removed both hoses from the membranes and I got water out.
We turned the knob increasing the pressure slowly. We were just in the green and we had product water start to flow, however we had looked away from the gauge when everything stopped and the warning light came on. We can fresh water flush and water flows thru and we have 10 liters  per hour on the flow meter.
Regards
Alan
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 11:46:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 

HI,

If I understand you correctly you disconnected both hoses from the membranes and the unit still went to the red alarm position. I assume you had no low pressure showing on the gauge, is that correct?

Or do you have low pressure in the green but the alarm light is on .

With the hoses disconnected from the membranes did water come out of either hose?

 

I went through the entire system last system with a problem  it even stumped  the USA Desalator rep.

I do have the 160, however, I might be able to help if you would reply.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:21 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Hi All, I started my water maker for the first time and I have a problem.
i put new membranes in and flushed it with fresh water for about 15 mins. I ran sea water thru it for about 5mins then started to slowly increase the pressure while checking for leaks. Once the needle was in the green it started producing product water but after about 1 min the warning light came on and now nothing runs. I was using the 24v side. I released the pressure knob and even unhooked the pressure lines then tried again. The red warning light came straight on. I reset the 24V breaker in the engine bay and checked the 2 fuses in the control box in the lazarette. I then tried the 220v side and had the same result.
does anyone have any ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai, SM 406
Cat Cay Bahamas




<Dessalator Membrane Orientation and  HP hose connections.pdf>

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

James Cromie
 

Thank you Colin, and others for posting all this information on the various options for storage.  

No one has mentioned much about Aruba, but they seem to be rather competitively priced for dry storage.  Does anyone have an opinion  or experience with work or storage in Aruba - specifically at Veradero Marine? 

Thanks,
James  
Soteria #347


On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:40 PM, Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

Hello Colin, 

Our experience at both was good. Both regularly handle Amels.  There were 4 other SM and a 54 at Curacao Marine while we were there.  There were at least 3 other SM in and out of  Peake when we were there.  We did not have much work done at either yard. We had bottom paint and hull wax applied at Peake, and only the hull polished at Curacao Marine.  A number of other boats we're having there bottoms refinished with copper-coat at Curacao Marine.  Seems they have the expertise and good price. 

Depth entering Curacao marina is something to watch but not a problem.  The use a submersible lift to lift the boat from the water and then place in the yard.  Peake uses a travel lift to hoist the boat and then they use a hydralic loft to move the boat around the yard. I saw no issues with either method.

Although I did not have much work done at either yard, my impression was that if you had a more varied list of jobs you wanted done then I would favor Peake.  What I observed and through limited interaction was that they had good electronic guy, canvis shop, diesel, and rigging on site. There was also a very good looking wood shop over at Powerboats next door.  And many other Marine services in the area.  They had a full time staff to professionally manage scheduling and completion of work at Peake.  Curacao Marine did seem to struggle a bit with that.

I did not think that Curacao was well set up for "boat minding". The boats are in a secure "bonded" yard so you can not hire your own boat minder.  The yard manager would do it, but really he had to many other things and no organizational support.  

At Curacao they do not have lodging on site. You have to book your own. Rental cars are cheep. Budget Marine was pretty good for sourcing my anchor chain.  Shopping  for other supplies is very good.   An additional benefit is adding a nice stop at Bonaire on the way.

Let me know if you have any more specific questions.

Regards, Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, sm#387



On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:57 AM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@... wrote:
Hi Dan

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

Thanks in advance
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Pinny Beach, Nevis

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra







--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



Re: French Boat, Great; French Manuals, not.

Mark Garver
 

Does anyone have manuals for the earlier SM’s? I have the SM2000 manual and there are many differences in the boats.

Thanks,

Mark
SM #105
It’s Good


On Mar 26, 2019, at 4:18 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Do you need a French or English manual?
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

Alan Grayson
 

Here’s what I have found.
I installed a bypass hose on the product water so I could divert the water before it went into the tank.
I removed the wires off the pressure sensor and everything came back to life. I ran it till the green “good water light came on then rotated the pressure knob until indicator was just in the green. Product water flowed. I tested the water every 3-4 mins and quality slowly improved. After about 15 mins it was down around 315 on my TDS meter so diverted it into the tank. We ran for 45 mins with no problem while keeping a good eye on the pressure gauge. We have run it 4 times since then and the only issue I have had is around the hour mark it will suddenly shut off and it is always when we are not watching, hopefully I will catch it one time.
I assume I should get 60 liters of product water per hour?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...>
Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2019 1:44:05 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 
One more thought, having lost much hair getting my water maker to work after new membranes:

Have you sampled and tested the “fresh” water output just before the red light comes on? If it is too salty, the switch will trip and shut it down. I had this problem because of incorrectly installed O-rings with the membrane. I am assuming new O-rings were installed with the new membranes?

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
St Augustine, Florida



On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:36 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Alan,

Some random observations:
  1. The pressure knob should be turned all the way anticlockwise when flushing.
  2. It is possible that you have some sort of failure with the 24VDC bypass solenoid
  3. You should not have any waterflow showing in the glass waterflow indicator when flushing with freshwater.  I think it is possible that something is causing freshwater to pass through the tube and V shaped Brine seals to the product water pathway. The possible causes could be damaged V shaped Brine seals, something wrong in the assembly of the membranes, tubes and end caps, or possibly something wrong with the bypass solenoid. 
  4. The most common "Red Light" shutdown is because the high pressure sensor senses too high pressure. This is commonly caused by a defective pressure gauge. In other words, the actual pressure is higher than 50 bar and the sensor shuts the system down. I was supporting a client yesterday with this defective pressure gauge issue. I had him turn the pressure valve to about 1/2" short of the green. His system did not shut down and began making about 60 liters per hour.
  5. Flow indication when the pressure valve is completely turned anticlockwise and flushing with freshwater may be an indication of incorrect orientation of the tube end caps causing the shaped brine seal to be ineffective i.e. oriented the wrong way. It might also be caused by the hoses connected in reversed locations.
Take a look at the attached PDF, which is a page from my book. 

Be very careful because even the slightest reverse pressure (1-2 BAR) through the membranes will damage the membranes and cause them to be ineffective. By reverse pressure, I mean water flowing backwards from the product water output back into the membrane tubes. Unfortunately some people refer to the process of freshwater flushing as "backwashing." It is not. Freshwater flushing flushes the entire saltwater pathway and only the outside of the membranes.

I hope this helps.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:15 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hi Eric, yes I removed both hoses from the membranes and I got water out.
We turned the knob increasing the pressure slowly. We were just in the green and we had product water start to flow, however we had looked away from the gauge when everything stopped and the warning light came on. We can fresh water flush and water flows thru and we have 10 liters  per hour on the flow meter.
Regards
Alan
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 11:46:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 

HI,

If I understand you correctly you disconnected both hoses from the membranes and the unit still went to the red alarm position. I assume you had no low pressure showing on the gauge, is that correct?

Or do you have low pressure in the green but the alarm light is on .

With the hoses disconnected from the membranes did water come out of either hose?

 

I went through the entire system last system with a problem  it even stumped  the USA Desalator rep.

I do have the 160, however, I might be able to help if you would reply.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:21 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Hi All, I started my water maker for the first time and I have a problem.
i put new membranes in and flushed it with fresh water for about 15 mins. I ran sea water thru it for about 5mins then started to slowly increase the pressure while checking for leaks. Once the needle was in the green it started producing product water but after about 1 min the warning light came on and now nothing runs. I was using the 24v side. I released the pressure knob and even unhooked the pressure lines then tried again. The red warning light came straight on. I reset the 24V breaker in the engine bay and checked the 2 fuses in the control box in the lazarette. I then tried the 220v side and had the same result.
does anyone have any ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai, SM 406
Cat Cay Bahamas




<Dessalator Membrane Orientation and  HP hose connections.pdf>

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

Colin, In Le Marin, Martinique, in the Shipchandler Ship, in February they sold the 10 mm galvanized chain at 6,70 euros (7.53 us $) per meter. I think it's one of the lowest prices in the Antilles and it's a chain made in France.


Il Gio 28 Mar 2019, 03:49 islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> ha scritto:
Hi Dan

Most helpful, thank you.

We are also looking to replace our anchor chain and best price and quality we found so far amongst all the islands so far was Budget Marine in St Martin at  approx $1500 for 100m of Aqua4 10mm P30 galvanised chain.

We will be getting a final quote for good French manufactured chain in Martinique soon too before purchasing.

What is your price in Curacao for what length and type of chain?

Best regards
Colin
SV Island Pearl II
Nevis


On Wed, 27 Mar. 2019, 20:43 Dan Carlson, <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hello Colin, 

Our experience at both was good. Both regularly handle Amels.  There were 4 other SM and a 54 at Curacao Marine while we were there.  There were at least 3 other SM in and out of  Peake when we were there.  We did not have much work done at either yard. We had bottom paint and hull wax applied at Peake, and only the hull polished at Curacao Marine.  A number of other boats we're having there bottoms refinished with copper-coat at Curacao Marine.  Seems they have the expertise and good price. 

Depth entering Curacao marina is something to watch but not a problem.  The use a submersible lift to lift the boat from the water and then place in the yard.  Peake uses a travel lift to hoist the boat and then they use a hydralic loft to move the boat around the yard. I saw no issues with either method.

Although I did not have much work done at either yard, my impression was that if you had a more varied list of jobs you wanted done then I would favor Peake.  What I observed and through limited interaction was that they had good electronic guy, canvis shop, diesel, and rigging on site. There was also a very good looking wood shop over at Powerboats next door.  And many other Marine services in the area.  They had a full time staff to professionally manage scheduling and completion of work at Peake.  Curacao Marine did seem to struggle a bit with that.

I did not think that Curacao was well set up for "boat minding". The boats are in a secure "bonded" yard so you can not hire your own boat minder.  The yard manager would do it, but really he had to many other things and no organizational support.  

At Curacao they do not have lodging on site. You have to book your own. Rental cars are cheep. Budget Marine was pretty good for sourcing my anchor chain.  Shopping  for other supplies is very good.   An additional benefit is adding a nice stop at Bonaire on the way.

Let me know if you have any more specific questions.

Regards, Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, sm#387



On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:57 AM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@... wrote:
Hi Dan

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

Thanks in advance
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Pinny Beach, Nevis

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Hi Dan

Most helpful, thank you.

We are also looking to replace our anchor chain and best price and quality we found so far amongst all the islands so far was Budget Marine in St Martin at  approx $1500 for 100m of Aqua4 10mm P30 galvanised chain.

We will be getting a final quote for good French manufactured chain in Martinique soon too before purchasing.

What is your price in Curacao for what length and type of chain?

Best regards
Colin
SV Island Pearl II
Nevis


On Wed, 27 Mar. 2019, 20:43 Dan Carlson, <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hello Colin, 

Our experience at both was good. Both regularly handle Amels.  There were 4 other SM and a 54 at Curacao Marine while we were there.  There were at least 3 other SM in and out of  Peake when we were there.  We did not have much work done at either yard. We had bottom paint and hull wax applied at Peake, and only the hull polished at Curacao Marine.  A number of other boats we're having there bottoms refinished with copper-coat at Curacao Marine.  Seems they have the expertise and good price. 

Depth entering Curacao marina is something to watch but not a problem.  The use a submersible lift to lift the boat from the water and then place in the yard.  Peake uses a travel lift to hoist the boat and then they use a hydralic loft to move the boat around the yard. I saw no issues with either method.

Although I did not have much work done at either yard, my impression was that if you had a more varied list of jobs you wanted done then I would favor Peake.  What I observed and through limited interaction was that they had good electronic guy, canvis shop, diesel, and rigging on site. There was also a very good looking wood shop over at Powerboats next door.  And many other Marine services in the area.  They had a full time staff to professionally manage scheduling and completion of work at Peake.  Curacao Marine did seem to struggle a bit with that.

I did not think that Curacao was well set up for "boat minding". The boats are in a secure "bonded" yard so you can not hire your own boat minder.  The yard manager would do it, but really he had to many other things and no organizational support.  

At Curacao they do not have lodging on site. You have to book your own. Rental cars are cheep. Budget Marine was pretty good for sourcing my anchor chain.  Shopping  for other supplies is very good.   An additional benefit is adding a nice stop at Bonaire on the way.

Let me know if you have any more specific questions.

Regards, Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, sm#387



On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:57 AM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@... wrote:
Hi Dan

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

Thanks in advance
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Pinny Beach, Nevis

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

Dan Carlson
 

Hello Colin, 

Our experience at both was good. Both regularly handle Amels.  There were 4 other SM and a 54 at Curacao Marine while we were there.  There were at least 3 other SM in and out of  Peake when we were there.  We did not have much work done at either yard. We had bottom paint and hull wax applied at Peake, and only the hull polished at Curacao Marine.  A number of other boats we're having there bottoms refinished with copper-coat at Curacao Marine.  Seems they have the expertise and good price. 

Depth entering Curacao marina is something to watch but not a problem.  The use a submersible lift to lift the boat from the water and then place in the yard.  Peake uses a travel lift to hoist the boat and then they use a hydralic loft to move the boat around the yard. I saw no issues with either method.

Although I did not have much work done at either yard, my impression was that if you had a more varied list of jobs you wanted done then I would favor Peake.  What I observed and through limited interaction was that they had good electronic guy, canvis shop, diesel, and rigging on site. There was also a very good looking wood shop over at Powerboats next door.  And many other Marine services in the area.  They had a full time staff to professionally manage scheduling and completion of work at Peake.  Curacao Marine did seem to struggle a bit with that.

I did not think that Curacao was well set up for "boat minding". The boats are in a secure "bonded" yard so you can not hire your own boat minder.  The yard manager would do it, but really he had to many other things and no organizational support.  

At Curacao they do not have lodging on site. You have to book your own. Rental cars are cheep. Budget Marine was pretty good for sourcing my anchor chain.  Shopping  for other supplies is very good.   An additional benefit is adding a nice stop at Bonaire on the way.

Let me know if you have any more specific questions.

Regards, Dan Carlson on sv BeBe, sm#387



On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 11:57 AM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@... wrote:
Hi Dan

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

Thanks in advance
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Pinny Beach, Nevis

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

My Sharki stayed for 6 months at Peake and when I came back, in a work day I cleaned all the deck. By my choice I wanted the yacht to be placed near the trees to have a little more shade in the morning and this resulted in many dead leaves and dirt on the deck.
I didn't want any dehumidifier or air conditioner and nobody to open the boat. Nothing serious has happened.
After 2 years in Brazil, especially in the area of ​​Parati and Angra dos Reis, I saw what real humidity is!
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Mer 27 Mar 2019, 17:57 islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> ha scritto:
Hi Dan

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

Thanks in advance
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Pinny Beach, Nevis

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra





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Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

 

Colin,

I think they both are good, but you need to take extra steps if you store in Trinidad because of the humidity. Peaks can arrange for a small air conditioner to be mounted at the companionway and you will still be able to lock your boat. Maybe Dan Carlson can upload a photo of this. You will need to hire someone to check your boat, but Peaks can help with that.

Be careful about anyone at either location who may claim to know Amels. I flew to Curacao to help a client who trusted the yard to service his C-Drive and bow thruster. Both were done wrong. The yard owner/manager will exaggerate his knowledge of Amels and even if he did know what to do, he left an untrained mechanic to do the job. That owner/manager is very convincing. And remember, Curacao has had hurricanes. They had 2 in 2007. We sailed south to avoid one of them and was there for the 2nd one. Both were cat 1 hurricanes. I think it has been a long time since Trinidad had a hurricane. 

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 1:58 PM islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
Hi Rainer
Very interesting, thank you.
Colin
SV Island Pearl II, SM #332
Nevis

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:36 PM Rainer Huthmacher via Groups.Io <thelastoneever=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Colin, 
I had my SM 6 month in Chaguaramas stores, when I came back I had plants growing on the deck, my bimini was green and I had some mold inside the boat. A year later I had the boat in Curacao which has a much dryer climate. I can not recommend the mechanics in Curaçao, but they do an excellent paint job. If you have work to do on the boat I would definitely go to Peaks, but just for storage Curacao is the better option, your boat will be in a better shape. Trinidad has a very muggy and humid climate.
Fair winds
Rainer Sharki#83 currently in Las Palmas

On 27. Mar 2019, at 16:54, islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Hi Dan

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

Thanks in advance
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Pinny Beach, Nevis

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Amel decal

david bruce
 


Great, thanks Stefano. 

Dave Bruce
LIESSE  SN006
Gaeta, Italy


On Mar 27, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Stefano Biffi <cptbiffi@...> wrote:

sav@...

Maud will reply at this one 

Stefano 
N’EVEREST SM185
now dry dock in Italy

Il giorno 27 mar 2019, alle ore 21:25, davidcbruce57@... ha scritto:

Does anyone have contact info for Maud handy, i’d like a set of decals too.  Thx

Dave Bruce 
Liesse  SN 006 


On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:

Maud at AMEL has them. Reasonable price, cheaper than getting one cut.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 27, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Rob Hughes via Groups.Io <svluna01@...> wrote:

I need to replace the Amel logo stickers does any one have a J peg file I can send to a vinyl shop to get cut? 

Thanks.

Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Hi Rainer
Very interesting, thank you.
Colin
SV Island Pearl II, SM #332
Nevis

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 2:36 PM Rainer Huthmacher via Groups.Io <thelastoneever=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Colin, 
I had my SM 6 month in Chaguaramas stores, when I came back I had plants growing on the deck, my bimini was green and I had some mold inside the boat. A year later I had the boat in Curacao which has a much dryer climate. I can not recommend the mechanics in Curaçao, but they do an excellent paint job. If you have work to do on the boat I would definitely go to Peaks, but just for storage Curacao is the better option, your boat will be in a better shape. Trinidad has a very muggy and humid climate.
Fair winds
Rainer Sharki#83 currently in Las Palmas

On 27. Mar 2019, at 16:54, islandpearl2_sm2k332 <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:

Hi Dan

I would be most interested in your current assessment of Curacao Marine in terms of taking care of an Amel SM during haul out and storage compared to your experience at Peake.

We have just had a quote from Peake, and will be writing to Curacao Marine today for a quotation as well to compare prices.

What we are now more interested in is how well they both take care of the boat, as well as return flight costs to the UK from both locations before a final decision.

Thanks in advance
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Pinny Beach, Nevis

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 10:42 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
James, we also stored our SM#387 at Peake Yacht Services from June 2017-Nov 2018.  We were pleased with the yard and the services.  We did not have much work done, but would go back again. We hauled out at Cuacao Marine this past year to position our boat for this current season in the western Carribean. 

Would be happy to answer any more questions.

Regards, Dan and Lori Carlson on sv BeBe, SM #387



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 4:56 PM James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io wrote:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra





--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Amel decal

Stefano Biffi
 

sav@...

Maud will reply at this one 

Stefano 
N’EVEREST SM185
now dry dock in Italy

Il giorno 27 mar 2019, alle ore 21:25, davidcbruce57@... ha scritto:

Does anyone have contact info for Maud handy, i’d like a set of decals too.  Thx

Dave Bruce 
Liesse  SN 006 


On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:

Maud at AMEL has them. Reasonable price, cheaper than getting one cut.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 27, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Rob Hughes via Groups.Io <svluna01@...> wrote:

I need to replace the Amel logo stickers does any one have a J peg file I can send to a vinyl shop to get cut? 

Thanks.