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Wintering in Aegean
greg greg
Hi, everybody,
I suppose to leave my Amel 54 somewhere in Aegean Greece or Turkey for the next winter on the land. Can anybody advise about safe and secure marina in the area with a crane of appropriate size? Preferably not too far from the airport? Thanks a lot!
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Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower
Jose Venegas <josegvenegas@...>
Eric and Ian,
With respect to the autoprop zinc, I have been using plastic screws and painting with nail polish the surface of the zinc on the thin areas outside of the screw hole. The plastic screws keep good compression between the zinc and the prop and prevent seising between two metals. The painting of the zinc prevents it from falling out when those areas are prematurely worn out. Last year’s zinc was still 50% at the end of the season !
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Re: SM Goiot Hatch Models & Lense Colors
Thank you Gary, much appreciated.
Barry Tradewinds III SM 171
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Re: SM Goiot Hatch Models & Lense Colors
Gary Silver
Barry
The Goiot web site and RigRite (parts supplier) indicate that the plexiglas for these hatches is 10 mm thick. Gary s/v Liahona SM 2000 #335 Puerto Rico
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Re: ANTI SIPHON VALVE INSTALLATION - YANMAR 4JH4-HTE
Alex,
On Cream Puff’s install of the same engine: The anti-siphon is installed between the raw water outlet of the heat exchanger (black hose) and the elbow (yellow and black hose). The anti-siphon is mounted so the hollow bolt vents/drains into the cockpit scuppers. I attached pictures.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
[mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alejandro Paquin
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 7:37 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] ANTI SIPHON VALVE INSTALLATION - YANMAR 4JH4-HTE
Hello to all, Can anyone explain the best way to install an antisiphon valve on a Yanmar 4JH4- HTE engine? Pictures could also be helpful. Alex Paquin s/v SIMPATICO Older Maramu 1981, Hull#94
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Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
The 24 volt alternator absolutely needs to be an isolated ground unit. If it is not, you end up with connections between the 24 v system, the 12 v system AND the bonding system. Very bad things will happen.
Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Georgetown, Bahamas
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Sale of (working) old furlers Amel 54
All,
Following the replacement of my headsail furlers would like to offer the old Bamar MEJ.1 furlers for sale. At the time they came off the boat they were working and not showing any furling issues. The staysail furler was sounding quite OK when rotating but the genua furler was sounding a bit more rough. That may also be because it appears to use a slighty different (larger) motor. Both have been replaced preserving as much as possible all parts that came off including a number of spare belts that the units utilize. The set currently resides in Sint Maarten (North Caribbean). Everything sits in the crate that was used to send me the new furlers. No foils, top-swivels or Boxtron units included. Total weight of the crate approx. 70 kg. Please let me know if you have interest in the set and what you would like to offer. Shipping costs are to be added once we know the destination. Kind regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: ANTI SIPHON VALVE INSTALLATION - YANMAR 4JH4-HTE
Mark McGovern
Alex,
If no one answers this for you before this weekend, I will take and post some pictures of the anti-siphon valve installation on my Yanmar 4JH3-HTE. -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Thanks, Eric.
We had about 6,500 hours on the first engine. Should have been good for more....but a French Volvo agent breathed on it. Long, expensive saga.
Ian
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: 21 February 2019 11:37 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower Hi Ian, The 12 V alternator should also be an isolated unit I believe the 24 Volt alternator should also be isolated as the whole purpose of the isolation is to prevent the house battery bank from being connected to the bonding. Recall the discussions of the 24 volt macerator toilet pumps becoming connected to the bonding due to water intrusion. However I am also not on board and cannot give a definitive answer about that unit. How many hours did you have on your previous engine? With respect to the autoprop zinc, paint the heads of the screws with nail polish. This will prevent he screw heads from dissolving.
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 ‘
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io]
On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Hi Bill, Eric, ( and anyone else who has fitted a D2-75 )
Thanks . My guy will be working on this shortly--Pen Azen is ashore at present and I'm in London. I want to make sure that I cover every point. In addition to the senders and the starter motor should the 12v alternator also be isolated ? ( but presumably not the 24v alternator?) Any other points to consider ?
Ian From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Hi Ian, Do the senders on your new engine have 2 wires on them? Temp sender, oil pressure sender, etc. ? Is one side of the starter motor attached to the block?
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io]
On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Hi Paul,
We have about 30 hours on our D2-75. Its a good fit. The guy who installed it originally worked with the Brit who designed the TMD22 so he knows both engines well. The TMD was designed for road use and then marinised whereas the D2-75 was designed as a marine engine. Neater and more accessible. No lack of power compared to the TMD22. It is marginally noisier as it is not belt driven. Wonderfully clean exhaust. I expect fuel consumption to be the same. The secret switch used to interrupt the power to the switch board but now interrupts the power to the starter. Volvo insist that this engine does not need galvanic isolation but I like the belt and braces approach of the original so will resolve that--pending that, I have fitted the Autoprop with the zinc cap that Autoprop supply.
Early days, but we are very pleased.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
on behalf of Paul Cooper via Groups.Io <paul.cooper74@...>
Any SMs with a Volvo D2-75 repower care to comment on their experience? Good? Problems? Power adequate? How did you handle the galvanic isolation issue?
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Re: Dessalator Pump Oil
Got word back from Dessalator that 5W40 or 10W40 would be OK. However, they also said definitely DO NOT USE HYDRAULIC OIL like ISO 68. This must be because of the style/age of our unit vs. newer SMs. I have referenced the manual in the Files section but unfortunately it does not deal with this issue and our model. We only have an old French manual, typed on an IBM Selectric. Apologies to the group as I should have checked with Dessalator first. It's just that they haven't been as responsive in the past and I wanted a faster answer which we normally get with the forum. Ian & Margaret S/V Loca Lola II SM153 Exumas, Bahamas
On Feb 21, 2019, at 10:54 AM, Mark Mueller <brass.ring@...> wrote:
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Re: Dessalator Pump Oil
Mark & Debbie Mueller
I looked into the oil requirement for a new to us Amel with a Dessalator 160, CAT 277 pump, early last year. The CAT manual recommends an ISO 68 hydraulic oil. I believe this is a 30 wt. oil. I would agree with Bill Kinney that a 40 wt. oil would would also work well. The book recommends a change every 500 hours with the ISO 68 oil or 300 hours for if other oils are used. The manual did not specify only an ISO oil, I believe SAE oils have detergents and other modifiers added. You can reference the manual in the Files Section > Dessalator Technical Info > CAT Pump 277 Svc Manual, p6.
Good Maintenance Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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Re: SM Goiot Hatch Models & Lense Colors
I’m not certain, Barry, I think it’s 5/16” (8mm).
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Acrylic might be a better choice right under the mast, it’s supposed to be a bit stronger than plexiglass. If you’re going to abrade the surface to make it frosted, the greater likelihood of scratching won’t make a difference. Kent S/V Kristy SM 243
On Feb 20, 2019, at 4:07 PM, seagasm <seagasm@...> wrote:
Thank you Kent, one final question, how thick is the plexiglass? Barry TW3 #171
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Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower
eric freedman
Hi Ian, The 12 V alternator should also be an isolated unit I believe the 24 Volt alternator should also be isolated as the whole purpose of the isolation is to prevent the house battery bank from being connected to the bonding. Recall the discussions of the 24 volt macerator toilet pumps becoming connected to the bonding due to water intrusion. However I am also not on board and cannot give a definitive answer about that unit. How many hours did you have on your previous engine? With respect to the autoprop zinc, paint the heads of the screws with nail polish. This will prevent he screw heads from dissolving.
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376 ‘
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 5:45 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower
Hi Bill, Eric, ( and anyone else who has fitted a D2-75 )
Thanks . My guy will be working on this shortly--Pen Azen is ashore at present and I'm in London. I want to make sure that I cover every point. In addition to the senders and the starter motor should the 12v alternator also be isolated ? ( but presumably not the 24v alternator?) Any other points to consider ?
Ian From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Hi Ian, Do the senders on your new engine have 2 wires on them? Temp sender, oil pressure sender, etc. ? Is one side of the starter motor attached to the block?
Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Hi Paul,
We have about 30 hours on our D2-75. Its a good fit. The guy who installed it originally worked with the Brit who designed the TMD22 so he knows both engines well. The TMD was designed for road use and then marinised whereas the D2-75 was designed as a marine engine. Neater and more accessible. No lack of power compared to the TMD22. It is marginally noisier as it is not belt driven. Wonderfully clean exhaust. I expect fuel consumption to be the same. The secret switch used to interrupt the power to the switch board but now interrupts the power to the starter. Volvo insist that this engine does not need galvanic isolation but I like the belt and braces approach of the original so will resolve that--pending that, I have fitted the Autoprop with the zinc cap that Autoprop supply.
Early days, but we are very pleased.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Cooper via Groups.Io <paul.cooper74@...>
Any SMs with a Volvo D2-75 repower care to comment on their experience? Good? Problems? Power adequate? How did you handle the galvanic isolation issue?
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Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Bill, Eric, ( and anyone else who has fitted a D2-75 )
Thanks . My guy will be working on this shortly--Pen Azen is ashore at present and I'm in London.
I want to make sure that I cover every point. In addition to the senders and the starter motor should the 12v alternator also be isolated ? ( but presumably not the 24v alternator?)
Any other points to consider ?
Ian
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: 21 February 2019 00:53 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower Hi Ian, Do the senders on your new engine have 2 wires on them? Temp sender, oil pressure sender, etc. ?
Is one side of the starter motor attached to the block? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io]
On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Hi Paul,
We have about 30 hours on our D2-75. Its a good fit. The guy who installed it originally worked with the Brit who designed the TMD22 so he knows both engines well. The TMD was designed for road use and then marinised whereas the D2-75 was designed as a marine engine. Neater and more accessible. No lack of power compared to the TMD22. It is marginally noisier as it is not belt driven. Wonderfully clean exhaust. I expect fuel consumption to be the same. The secret switch used to interrupt the power to the switch board but now interrupts the power to the starter. Volvo insist that this engine does not need galvanic isolation but I like the belt and braces approach of the original so will resolve that--pending that, I have fitted the Autoprop with the zinc cap that Autoprop supply.
Early days, but we are very pleased.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
on behalf of Paul Cooper via Groups.Io <paul.cooper74@...>
Any SMs with a Volvo D2-75 repower care to comment on their experience? Good? Problems? Power adequate? How did you handle the galvanic isolation issue?
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Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower
eric freedman
Hi Ian, Do the senders on your new engine have 2 wires on them? Temp sender, oil pressure sender, etc. ?
Is one side of the starter motor attached to the block? Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ianjudyjenkins@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:21 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D2-75 Repower
Hi Paul,
We have about 30 hours on our D2-75. Its a good fit. The guy who installed it originally worked with the Brit who designed the TMD22 so he knows both engines well. The TMD was designed for road use and then marinised whereas the D2-75 was designed as a marine engine. Neater and more accessible. No lack of power compared to the TMD22. It is marginally noisier as it is not belt driven. Wonderfully clean exhaust. I expect fuel consumption to be the same. The secret switch used to interrupt the power to the switch board but now interrupts the power to the starter. Volvo insist that this engine does not need galvanic isolation but I like the belt and braces approach of the original so will resolve that--pending that, I have fitted the Autoprop with the zinc cap that Autoprop supply.
Early days, but we are very pleased.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Cooper via Groups.Io <paul.cooper74@...>
Any SMs with a Volvo D2-75 repower care to comment on their experience? Good? Problems? Power adequate? How did you handle the galvanic isolation issue?
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ANTI SIPHON VALVE INSTALLATION - YANMAR 4JH4-HTE
Hello to all, Can anyone explain the best way to install an antisiphon valve on a Yanmar 4JH4- HTE engine? Pictures could also be helpful. Alex Paquin s/v SIMPATICO Older Maramu 1981, Hull#94
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Re: SM Goiot Hatch Models & Lense Colors
Thank you Kent, one final question, how thick is the plexiglass?
Barry TW3 #171
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Re: Dessalator Pump Oil
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Ian,
Hello from the other side of the anchorage :) Harmonie came to us complete with a jug of oil that was labeled with the CatPump brand, as "high pressure pump oil." Since that is now gone, I have been using regular SAE40 oil. The logic is that the engine room on a SM is a pretty hot environment, so the slightly flatter viscosity curve of 30W40 really isn't needed. I don't think this is a particularly severe or difficult lubrication application. I have a scheduled change interval of once a year on that oil. Puts me well under the manufacturer's hourly recommendation, and makes it easy to schedule. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Georgetown, Bahamas
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Dessalator Pump Oil
Maintenance for our 40L/hr Dessalator high pressure pump says 0.75L 30W40 oil every 500 hours. I can't find this anywhere and was wondering if anyone is using something different that I could change to.
Grazie. Ian & Margaret SM153 Loca Lola II Exuma, Bahamas
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Re: Volvo D2-75 Repower
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Ian and Judy,
Volvo is right, the engine does not need isolation. BUT, the engine ground system is not isolated to protect the engine. The C-drive needs to be connected to the Amel bonding system for corrosion control. Unless extra ordinary measures are taken, the engine chassis is going to be electrically connected to the C-drive. Having a full time negative ground on the engine chassis results in full time connection of the 12-Volt Negative connected to the bonding system. Having these two system interconnected is not the way the Amel corrosion control system is designed. The problem here is if ANY other part of the bonding system has an inadvertent connection to the 12-Volt positive, very severe, and rapid, corrosion can occur. This will not show up on the ground fault lights because those only test for a faults in the 24-Volt system. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Georgetown, Bahamas
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