|
Rudolf Waldispuehl
Hi Bill
only on SN & SM? ...not on A-54? Different as well I guess? Haven't serviced BT on my 54 yet.
Best regards Ruedi WASABI A-54-#55
On 28 Aug 2019, at 21:20, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Matt,
This thread has nothing to do with the BT on your Amel 50. It is completely different and you will not have the issue being discussed here. This issue can happen on a SN or SM.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:53 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Good to know ~~~⛵️~~~Matt On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:45 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Mat,
It depends on how much heat is applied and you can certainly damage GRP with a heat gun. This is the reason I would never say to carefully use a heat gun, nor would I say enough heat. "Carefully" or "enough" are non-specific. For instance, enough heat to separate, might be enough heat to damage GRP.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:33 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Bill, Would a heatgun provide enoughheat without affecting the FRP? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:21 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Bernd,
You should be very, very careful with heat because the Bow Thruster Tube and case is made of GRP, not metal.
The contact point is Cast Iron to the GRP tube. The problem is a result of NOT replacing the lip-seal and foam donuts, and possibly leaving the bow thruster down while sailing or motoring. Saltwater has passed through the seals and has caused corrosion on the electric motor base which is made of Cast Iron. This corrosion (Iron Oxidation) has reduced the size of the opening for the tube at the base of the motor. Your photos show that this has been more than a little saltwater over a long time, possibly months/years. It is going to be very difficult to separate the tube from the motor base. You will need the tool designed by Amel, plenty of penetrating fluid and 3-4 days of constant pressure to cause separation. You can use some light tapping or vibration on the cast iron motor base intermittently while constant pressure is applied with the special tool. But take care not to strile the base too hard because it is made of cast iron.
<image.png>
I recommend that you closely check the lower bearing on the electric motor because I suspect it is also damaged.
In the future, replace the seals every 2 years...also replace the 0.3 liters of 80/90 Gear Oil when you replace the seals. Always use plenty of waterproof grease at the contact points of the tube and motor base.
This is the normal materials needed for service every 2 years (contact SAV"at" Amel.fr): You will certainly get other advice, but I firmly believe that you will not get better advice.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: A little heat? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Hi !
I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch
WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the
contact is bronze on stainless ...
I needed 2 days ...
good luck
JLM
CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much
Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a
écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft
disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can
loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it
loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
Bill is right about being careful in heating grp. Grp can delaminate/crack and thereby destroying the strength of the material if too much heat is applied. I used to build GRP stack sampling equipment that could barely handle 350F..not much.
James SV Sueno Budva, Montenegro
Sent from Samsung tablet.
-------- Original message -------- From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> Date: 8/28/19 7:21 PM (GMT+01:00) To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow Thruster Service
Bernd,
You should be very, very careful with heat because the Bow Thruster Tube and case is made of GRP, not metal.
The contact point is Cast Iron to the GRP tube. The problem is a result of NOT replacing the lip-seal and foam donuts, and possibly leaving the bow thruster down while sailing or motoring. Saltwater has passed through the seals and has caused corrosion on the electric motor base which is made of Cast Iron. This corrosion (Iron Oxidation) has reduced the size of the opening for the tube at the base of the motor. Your photos show that this has been more than a little saltwater over a long time, possibly months/years. It is going to be very difficult to separate the tube from the motor base. You will need the tool designed by Amel, plenty of penetrating fluid and 3-4 days of constant pressure to cause separation. You can use some light tapping or vibration on the cast iron motor base intermittently while constant pressure is applied with the special tool. But take care not to strile the base too hard because it is made of cast iron.
I recommend that you closely check the lower bearing on the electric motor because I suspect it is also damaged.
In the future, replace the seals every 2 years...also replace the 0.3 liters of 80/90 Gear Oil when you replace the seals. Always use plenty of waterproof grease at the contact points of the tube and motor base.
This is the normal materials needed for service every 2 years (contact SAV"at"Amel.fr): You will certainly get other advice, but I firmly believe that you will not get better advice.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: A little heat? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Hi !
I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch
WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the
contact is bronze on stainless ...
I needed 2 days ...
good luck
JLM
CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much
Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a
écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft
disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can
loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it
loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
Mike Ondra
Here’s another twist on bow thruster service. We services ours yesterday, on the hard, so no extra complications from doing it in the water. Last service less than a year ago was in the water, and we were not confident that the reinstall was completely waterproof. Indeed, it was not, and we had our share of oil and cream. Anyway after removing the 4 bolts that hold the GRP shaft, the motor housing spun freely on the GRP, but the thruster would not drop. We surmised that the splined connection between the motor shaft and thruster drive shaft had seized. No amount of tugging from below would move it. Ultimately we lowered the bow thruster and from below lifted it a few inches and “bumped” it with a short drop, well maybe a little bit more than a short drop to get results. Anyway, the lesson is to lubricate the splined connection when reassembling the bow thruster to prevent seizing. We used Molykote. Mike & Tom ALETES SM#240 Chesapeake Bay
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 2:53 PM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow Thruster Service Good to know
On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:45 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
It depends on how much heat is applied and you can certainly damage GRP with a heat gun. This is the reason I would never say to carefully use a heat gun, nor would I say enough heat. "Carefully" or "enough" are non-specific. For instance, enough heat to separate, might be enough heat to damage GRP. Best, Galveston Island, TX 77550 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:33 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Bill, Would a heatgun provide enoughheat without affecting the FRP?
On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:21 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
You should be very, very careful with heat because the Bow Thruster Tube and case is made of GRP, not metal. The contact point is Cast Iron to the GRP tube. The problem is a result of NOT replacing the lip-seal and foam donuts, and possibly leaving the bow thruster down while sailing or motoring. Saltwater has passed through the seals and has caused corrosion on the electric motor base which is made of Cast Iron. This corrosion (Iron Oxidation) has reduced the size of the opening for the tube at the base of the motor. Your photos show that this has been more than a little saltwater over a long time, possibly months/years. It is going to be very difficult to separate the tube from the motor base. You will need the tool designed by Amel, plenty of penetrating fluid and 3-4 days of constant pressure to cause separation. You can use some light tapping or vibration on the cast iron motor base intermittently while constant pressure is applied with the special tool. But take care not to strile the base too hard because it is made of cast iron. I recommend that you closely check the lower bearing on the electric motor because I suspect it is also damaged. In the future, replace the seals every 2 years...also replace the 0.3 liters of 80/90 Gear Oil when you replace the seals. Always use plenty of waterproof grease at the contact points of the tube and motor base. This is the normal materials needed for service every 2 years (contact SAV"at"Amel.fr): You will certainly get other advice, but I firmly believe that you will not get better advice. Galveston Island, TX 77550 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: A little heat? Hi ! I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the contact is bronze on stainless ... I needed 2 days ... good luck JLM CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a écrit : Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
Matt,
This thread has nothing to do with the BT on your Amel 50. It is completely different and you will not have the issue being discussed here. This issue can happen on a SN or SM.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:53 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Good to know ~~~⛵️~~~Matt On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:45 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Mat,
It depends on how much heat is applied and you can certainly damage GRP with a heat gun. This is the reason I would never say to carefully use a heat gun, nor would I say enough heat. "Carefully" or "enough" are non-specific. For instance, enough heat to separate, might be enough heat to damage GRP.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:33 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Bill, Would a heatgun provide enoughheat without affecting the FRP? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:21 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Bernd,
You should be very, very careful with heat because the Bow Thruster Tube and case is made of GRP, not metal.
The contact point is Cast Iron to the GRP tube. The problem is a result of NOT replacing the lip-seal and foam donuts, and possibly leaving the bow thruster down while sailing or motoring. Saltwater has passed through the seals and has caused corrosion on the electric motor base which is made of Cast Iron. This corrosion (Iron Oxidation) has reduced the size of the opening for the tube at the base of the motor. Your photos show that this has been more than a little saltwater over a long time, possibly months/years. It is going to be very difficult to separate the tube from the motor base. You will need the tool designed by Amel, plenty of penetrating fluid and 3-4 days of constant pressure to cause separation. You can use some light tapping or vibration on the cast iron motor base intermittently while constant pressure is applied with the special tool. But take care not to strile the base too hard because it is made of cast iron.
<image.png>
I recommend that you closely check the lower bearing on the electric motor because I suspect it is also damaged.
In the future, replace the seals every 2 years...also replace the 0.3 liters of 80/90 Gear Oil when you replace the seals. Always use plenty of waterproof grease at the contact points of the tube and motor base.
This is the normal materials needed for service every 2 years (contact SAV"at" Amel.fr): You will certainly get other advice, but I firmly believe that you will not get better advice.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: A little heat? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Hi !
I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch
WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the
contact is bronze on stainless ...
I needed 2 days ...
good luck
JLM
CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much
Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a
écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft
disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can
loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it
loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
Matt Salatino
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Aug 28, 2019, at 11:45 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Mat,
It depends on how much heat is applied and you can certainly damage GRP with a heat gun. This is the reason I would never say to carefully use a heat gun, nor would I say enough heat. "Carefully" or "enough" are non-specific. For instance, enough heat to separate, might be enough heat to damage GRP.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:33 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Bill, Would a heatgun provide enoughheat without affecting the FRP? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:21 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Bernd,
You should be very, very careful with heat because the Bow Thruster Tube and case is made of GRP, not metal.
The contact point is Cast Iron to the GRP tube. The problem is a result of NOT replacing the lip-seal and foam donuts, and possibly leaving the bow thruster down while sailing or motoring. Saltwater has passed through the seals and has caused corrosion on the electric motor base which is made of Cast Iron. This corrosion (Iron Oxidation) has reduced the size of the opening for the tube at the base of the motor. Your photos show that this has been more than a little saltwater over a long time, possibly months/years. It is going to be very difficult to separate the tube from the motor base. You will need the tool designed by Amel, plenty of penetrating fluid and 3-4 days of constant pressure to cause separation. You can use some light tapping or vibration on the cast iron motor base intermittently while constant pressure is applied with the special tool. But take care not to strile the base too hard because it is made of cast iron.
<image.png>
I recommend that you closely check the lower bearing on the electric motor because I suspect it is also damaged.
In the future, replace the seals every 2 years...also replace the 0.3 liters of 80/90 Gear Oil when you replace the seals. Always use plenty of waterproof grease at the contact points of the tube and motor base.
This is the normal materials needed for service every 2 years (contact SAV"at" Amel.fr): You will certainly get other advice, but I firmly believe that you will not get better advice.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: A little heat? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Hi !
I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch
WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the
contact is bronze on stainless ...
I needed 2 days ...
good luck
JLM
CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much
Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a
écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft
disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can
loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it
loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
Mat,
It depends on how much heat is applied and you can certainly damage GRP with a heat gun. This is the reason I would never say to carefully use a heat gun, nor would I say enough heat. "Carefully" or "enough" are non-specific. For instance, enough heat to separate, might be enough heat to damage GRP.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 1:33 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Bill, Would a heatgun provide enoughheat without affecting the FRP? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:21 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Bernd,
You should be very, very careful with heat because the Bow Thruster Tube and case is made of GRP, not metal.
The contact point is Cast Iron to the GRP tube. The problem is a result of NOT replacing the lip-seal and foam donuts, and possibly leaving the bow thruster down while sailing or motoring. Saltwater has passed through the seals and has caused corrosion on the electric motor base which is made of Cast Iron. This corrosion (Iron Oxidation) has reduced the size of the opening for the tube at the base of the motor. Your photos show that this has been more than a little saltwater over a long time, possibly months/years. It is going to be very difficult to separate the tube from the motor base. You will need the tool designed by Amel, plenty of penetrating fluid and 3-4 days of constant pressure to cause separation. You can use some light tapping or vibration on the cast iron motor base intermittently while constant pressure is applied with the special tool. But take care not to strile the base too hard because it is made of cast iron.
<image.png>
I recommend that you closely check the lower bearing on the electric motor because I suspect it is also damaged.
In the future, replace the seals every 2 years...also replace the 0.3 liters of 80/90 Gear Oil when you replace the seals. Always use plenty of waterproof grease at the contact points of the tube and motor base.
This is the normal materials needed for service every 2 years (contact SAV"at" Amel.fr): You will certainly get other advice, but I firmly believe that you will not get better advice.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: A little heat? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Hi !
I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch
WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the
contact is bronze on stainless ...
I needed 2 days ...
good luck
JLM
CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much
Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a
écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft
disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can
loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it
loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
Matt Salatino
Bill, Would a heatgun provide enoughheat without affecting the FRP? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 28, 2019, at 10:21 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote: Bernd,
You should be very, very careful with heat because the Bow Thruster Tube and case is made of GRP, not metal.
The contact point is Cast Iron to the GRP tube. The problem is a result of NOT replacing the lip-seal and foam donuts, and possibly leaving the bow thruster down while sailing or motoring. Saltwater has passed through the seals and has caused corrosion on the electric motor base which is made of Cast Iron. This corrosion (Iron Oxidation) has reduced the size of the opening for the tube at the base of the motor. Your photos show that this has been more than a little saltwater over a long time, possibly months/years. It is going to be very difficult to separate the tube from the motor base. You will need the tool designed by Amel, plenty of penetrating fluid and 3-4 days of constant pressure to cause separation. You can use some light tapping or vibration on the cast iron motor base intermittently while constant pressure is applied with the special tool. But take care not to strile the base too hard because it is made of cast iron.
<image.png>
I recommend that you closely check the lower bearing on the electric motor because I suspect it is also damaged.
In the future, replace the seals every 2 years...also replace the 0.3 liters of 80/90 Gear Oil when you replace the seals. Always use plenty of waterproof grease at the contact points of the tube and motor base.
This is the normal materials needed for service every 2 years (contact SAV"at" Amel.fr): You will certainly get other advice, but I firmly believe that you will not get better advice.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: A little heat? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Hi !
I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch
WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the
contact is bronze on stainless ...
I needed 2 days ...
good luck
JLM
CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much
Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a
écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft
disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can
loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it
loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
In Martinique looking at Amels
We are in Martinique with a possible deal pending and looking at Amels. If anyone is considering any boats here, and would like some info, we would be happy to pass it along.
Kelly and Darren
ISPA YachtMaster Instructor Evaluator
ISPA YachtMaster Instructor.
|
|
|
Bernd,
You should be very, very careful with heat because the Bow Thruster Tube and case is made of GRP, not metal.
The contact point is Cast Iron to the GRP tube. The problem is a result of NOT replacing the lip-seal and foam donuts, and possibly leaving the bow thruster down while sailing or motoring. Saltwater has passed through the seals and has caused corrosion on the electric motor base which is made of Cast Iron. This corrosion (Iron Oxidation) has reduced the size of the opening for the tube at the base of the motor. Your photos show that this has been more than a little saltwater over a long time, possibly months/years. It is going to be very difficult to separate the tube from the motor base. You will need the tool designed by Amel, plenty of penetrating fluid and 3-4 days of constant pressure to cause separation. You can use some light tapping or vibration on the cast iron motor base intermittently while constant pressure is applied with the special tool. But take care not to strile the base too hard because it is made of cast iron.
I recommend that you closely check the lower bearing on the electric motor because I suspect it is also damaged.
In the future, replace the seals every 2 years...also replace the 0.3 liters of 80/90 Gear Oil when you replace the seals. Always use plenty of waterproof grease at the contact points of the tube and motor base.
This is the normal materials needed for service every 2 years (contact SAV"at"Amel.fr): You will certainly get other advice, but I firmly believe that you will not get better advice.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:03 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: A little heat? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
Hi !
I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch
WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the
contact is bronze on stainless ...
I needed 2 days ...
good luck
JLM
CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much
Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a
écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft
disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can
loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it
loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
Matt Salatino
A little heat? ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 28, 2019, at 9:44 AM, " jlm@..." < jlm@...> wrote:
Hi !
I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch
WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the
contact is bronze on stainless ...
I needed 2 days ...
good luck
JLM
CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much
Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a
écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft
disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can
loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it
loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
Hi !
I had the same problem ... You need a lot of patience, mutch
WD40 and patience, do not forcing, do not break the threads, the
contact is bronze on stainless ...
I needed 2 days ...
good luck
JLM
CottonBay
Hold time 2 or 3 days with WD40, WD40 and much
Le 28/08/2019 à 18:35, Bernd Spanner a
écrit :
Hello,
I wanted to change the seal on the bow thruster today.
Unforunately after removing the 4 screws I could not get the shaft
disconnected. It’s badly rusted all over. Any ideas how I can
loosen it?? Already used some wd40 & caramba to get it
loose.... no success
Pics attached
Best regards,
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal
|
|
|
Re: Replacing all my head/clew/tack lashings - suggestions?
Scott,
I believe that will work fine. Amel used "sail bolt" line. I am not sure why, but it was probably a decision of the sail subcontractor.
As far as I know, Amel chose to never use metal shackles. Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Yacht Owners School - www.YachtSchool.us720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
What are you all using to lash your sail heads/foots/clews?
The previous owner put a stainless shackle on the Genoa swivel and then attached the head to that. Of course, stainless + aluminum resulted in damage to the swivel enough that even though I tried to smooth it out, it caused the replacement lashing line to chafe right though in about a year. I only caught it recently when we took down the sails to have them refreshed - another few hundred miles and the Genoa would have taken a swim!
Rather than risk this happening again, I am replacing all my lashing lines. What do you guys use? I am considering 6mm double braid dyneema with a breaking strength similar to the recommended Genoa halyard. I'll be looping it a few times between the head and the swivel.
The other option is a soft shackle, which is what is used on the Genoa foot (included with the Bamar EFJ-1 furler).
Strength is important but I really want to oversize, at least the Genoa head swivel connection, to maximize longevity against abrasion. I'm actually going to add an additional, longer independent lashing so that if the primary lashing fails, the Genoa will sag, but not drop in the ocean. An alarm system, if you will.
--
Scott
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
|
|
|
Replacing all my head/clew/tack lashings - suggestions?
What are you all using to lash your sail heads/foots/clews? The previous owner put a stainless shackle on the Genoa swivel and then attached the head to that. Of course, stainless + aluminum resulted in damage to the swivel enough that even though I tried to smooth it out, it caused the replacement lashing line to chafe right though in about a year. I only caught it recently when we took down the sails to have them refreshed - another few hundred miles and the Genoa would have taken a swim! Rather than risk this happening again, I am replacing all my lashing lines. What do you guys use? I am considering 6mm double braid dyneema with a breaking strength similar to the recommended Genoa halyard. I'll be looping it a few times between the head and the swivel. The other option is a soft shackle, which is what is used on the Genoa foot (included with the Bamar EFJ-1 furler). Strength is important but I really want to oversize, at least the Genoa head swivel connection, to maximize longevity against abrasion. I'm actually going to add an additional, longer independent lashing so that if the primary lashing fails, the Genoa will sag, but not drop in the ocean. An alarm system, if you will. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
|
|
|
Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience
|
|
|
Anybody have the diode part number and a US source for the diodes? Seems like they are a popular enough problem with the Yanmar to merit carrying a spare.
Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI is on the hard in Varadero, Aruba we are in Crested Butte, CO
Varadero has a 7' + low tide channel to the marina. Use a hydraulic trailer lift for about $350USD with diver. One of the best lifts we've ever had with our SM or our SN. https://photos.app.goo.gl/2c1ZrAKD2gXcY7iQ6
|
|
|
Altogether there are 15 diodes.  -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
|
|
|
Re: AMEL HAS AN OFFICE IN HUNTINGTON NY
Matt Salatino
We were in La Rochelle, looking at our boat being built (#27), in July. We spoke with the marketing director: Amel sailed it across a few months ago. They kept it in Mamaroneck, NY. They plan to show at both Newport, and Annapolis. Then the plan is to sell the boat. ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 26, 2019, at 7:45 PM, John Clark < john.biohead@...> wrote: Wow cool. Is Amel going to set up a US based service center? I went by the office as I heard there was a 50 in the harbor across from my boat. The 50 was returned to the main office and is now back in Huntington. I am going to take a look at it Saturday. If anyone is nearby and would like to see it is here. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
|
|
|
Re: AMEL HAS AN OFFICE IN HUNTINGTON NY
Wow cool. Is Amel going to set up a US based service center?
I went by the office as I heard there was a 50 in the harbor across from my boat. The 50 was returned to the main office and is now back in Huntington. I am going to take a look at it Saturday. If anyone is nearby and would like to see it is here. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
|
|
|
Agree as well.
I have had experiences with venders that was good and bad requiring explaination. No we shouldn't wontonly black list vendors without cause, and some discussion would be enlightening to others.
I too am with IMIS with a Jackline policy after my long-term insurance provider in the UK backed out of Caribbean basin. Knowledgible and responsive US based insurance. More expensive than before but so is everyone else after that bad year.
On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 10:14 AM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Craig, We vemently agree! :-) ~~~⛵️~~~Matt On Aug 25, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io < sangaris@...> wrote: Hi Matt,
Agree 100% with your statement that censorship does a disservice to us all and carefully filtered info is not helpful. I think opinions though, be they positive or negative, are much more helpful if they are supported by some facts. So the point I was making was simply that being "warned to avoid" with no facts supporting that opinion didn't seem helpful in making an informed decision - it's kind of like somebody's experience with no information attached. Then again, the venerable Consumer Reports organization gives "Customer Satisfaction" ratings in addition to their factual test-based ratings. However, those are not single data points as are prevalent in forums like this.
Btw, I forgot to mention in my earlier post that there's an excellent recorded Webinar on buying insurance put on by SSCA that's available on their web site. It was initially developed by Al Golden of IMIS. Interestingly, Al put me off of Pantaenius many years ago with some fact-based opinion - at the time, the Pantaenius product was a "Named Perils" type of policy (only covering their list of perils, albeit quite comprehensive). His Jackline policy through Markel was an "All-risk" policy that covered any type of loss unless specifically excluded. Being a Broker, he did offer to sell me the Pantaenius policy if I really wanted it - I stuck with Jackline. Pantaenius switched to "All-risk" a couple of years later and I went there for the savings, so there's another twist available to you; stick with a Broker like IMIS who has a great reputation for service but get the product of the insurer you want. Then again, I've had excellent response from Pantaenius USA (albeit no claims).
Happy shopping, Craig
|
|
|
Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience
Hi Dominique, I would first check that the battery connector at the starter motor is clean. I would also check The Valeo solenoid to see if it has clean connections both the battery cable and the small wire that goes to the engine block. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dominique Guenot
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience Hello,
My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.
A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor.
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.
I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems?
Any recommendation?
Thanks
Dominique
sv Viva
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia
|
|
|
