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Re: Masse - and Masse + lights

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Barry;

It was nice to finally meet and thanks for the drinks.

Dessalator usually stocks most of their items. They are pretty good at shipping and you should receive it in just a few a days. While you’re at it, check the condition of the high pressure hoses. Dessalator initially used HP hoses that were not UV resistant. I noticed droplets forming at one of our HP connections a couple of years ago. I tried to cut the hose back and redo the HP connector. The hose protective covering started to crumble. The connectors are designed to work with the hose covering and once the hose cover fails, so will the water tightness of the connector. If one of these fails while making water, the damage to the electronics and other items would be significant.

I ordered new hose and HP connectors and replaced all of them. From what I’ve been told by dessalator, the new hoses will not have the same issue.

Also check the bronze elbow from the HP pump to the blue pressure stabilizer canister ( if you have the 150 l/hr dessalator). Ours started leaking a few days ago. Luckily, since we have a smoke detector installed In the engine room, the moisture and mist from the high pressure leak at the elbow, set of the smoke detector and we caught it before further damage.

If you haven’t already done so, I would also recommend a smoke detector in the engine room.

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-454-3148 Fax

On Jul 3, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,
Another query on solenoids.
I hope that you or another member might know options where I could get a good water solenoid on the back of the control panel for the Dessalotor 230v water maker.
This solenoid stropped working so I used the button on the side of this solenoid to get the good water flowing into the tank.
I am in Sicily and would like to know if this solenoid can be bought from a supplier who I could arrange shipping with.
Would appreciate any advise.

Best

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Syracuse, Sicily


On Jul 2, 2019, at 14:24, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Ruedi,

In your situation, I would look at the 24 volt solenoid switch for the 24 volt motor as being the most likely problem. I have noticed significant corrosion on these solenoid switches. 

If you disconnect only the wires from the motor and still have the light while the yellow/green bonding wire is connected, you have probably found a solenoid that needs replacing. 

Also, remember that saltwater is a good conductor of electricity. If saltwater is common between devices, all devices are "electrically connected."

I hope this helps you. Good luck. 

Bill Rouse

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 4:54 AM Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Dear Amel Group Friends

 

I’m asking you guys if someone had the same or similar experience and what is your advice for my question:

 

I have a Negative Leak light on the 24V Pump-Motor of the Dessalator Duo. There is a Bonding wire (yellow/green) that runs from the Bonding strap in the grey-water sink to the Dessalator. But this wire is disconnected on the Dessalator unit. When I’m connecting the 24v pump directly to the bonding system the negative leak remains. Light is still on. 

 

The light does only switching OFF when I’m switching the pump on, or if I’m disconnecting the negative wire. 

BTW:  I cannot see any corrosion on the Dessalator unit. The DC motor itself has no contact to saltwater, - it's only the pressure pump in contact with saltwater (but no 24V connection).

 

- Does it mean I need a new 24V DC Motor? 

- Are there any longterm experiences what can happen if a negative (or positive) light is not fixed? 

- What is the affect and result of a longterm neg. vs pos. leak?

 

It’s very easy to get miliAmps of current on a 24V motor with brushes and wires, etc. Are we AMELies to paranoid with these lights?

 

Best regards

Ruedi

P.S. I still not fully understand how these lights working. To my understanding it is indication a leak from Masse - and Masse + against the AMEL bonding system. Maybe I’m wrong?


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Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019 um 14:21
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Masse - and Masse + lights

T
In the circumstance you describe, the light indicates that there is a connection (resistance) between either the positive or negative and the case of the macerator pump. That "connection" is usually saltwater leaking past the seal on the pump. It is an "early warning system" that your seal is leaking and your pump will fail. A switch such as you suggest will certainly be a "see no evil" solution.🙈😀 You could accomplish the same by disconnection the yellow/green wire from the case, but, don't you really want to know when you have a seal leak.
 
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:25 PM <derickgates@...> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]

I have been diligently checking the Masse- and + lights in the companionway. Over the past 5 years when one of the lights go on (usually the Masse - ) I go and disconnect the power lines to the forward or aft head and sure enough, the leak of current to ground stops and I replace that Jabsco pump. Recently the Masse light did not go out until I had unplugged both the heads at the same time, indicating to me that both the head pumps were leaking to ground.

It occurs to me that instead of replacing the pump, I could just install a toggle switch to the offending brown or blue wire, so that I can turn the circuit on when anyone uses the head, and turn it off in the interim.  Then I could continue to use the offending pump until it dies a natural death.

Am I fooling myself or would installing that switch stop the current leakage to the Amel bonding system?

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava



Re: Masse - and Masse + lights

Barry Connor
 

Hi Bill,
Another query on solenoids.
I hope that you or another member might know options where I could get a good water solenoid on the back of the control panel for the Dessalotor 230v water maker.
This solenoid stropped working so I used the button on the side of this solenoid to get the good water flowing into the tank.
I am in Sicily and would like to know if this solenoid can be bought from a supplier who I could arrange shipping with.
Would appreciate any advise.

Best

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Syracuse, Sicily


On Jul 2, 2019, at 14:24, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Ruedi,

In your situation, I would look at the 24 volt solenoid switch for the 24 volt motor as being the most likely problem. I have noticed significant corrosion on these solenoid switches. 

If you disconnect only the wires from the motor and still have the light while the yellow/green bonding wire is connected, you have probably found a solenoid that needs replacing. 

Also, remember that saltwater is a good conductor of electricity. If saltwater is common between devices, all devices are "electrically connected."

I hope this helps you. Good luck. 

Bill Rouse

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 4:54 AM Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Dear Amel Group Friends

 

I’m asking you guys if someone had the same or similar experience and what is your advice for my question:

 

I have a Negative Leak light on the 24V Pump-Motor of the Dessalator Duo. There is a Bonding wire (yellow/green) that runs from the Bonding strap in the grey-water sink to the Dessalator. But this wire is disconnected on the Dessalator unit. When I’m connecting the 24v pump directly to the bonding system the negative leak remains. Light is still on. 

 

The light does only switching OFF when I’m switching the pump on, or if I’m disconnecting the negative wire. 

BTW:  I cannot see any corrosion on the Dessalator unit. The DC motor itself has no contact to saltwater, - it's only the pressure pump in contact with saltwater (but no 24V connection).

 

- Does it mean I need a new 24V DC Motor? 

- Are there any longterm experiences what can happen if a negative (or positive) light is not fixed? 

- What is the affect and result of a longterm neg. vs pos. leak?

 

It’s very easy to get miliAmps of current on a 24V motor with brushes and wires, etc. Are we AMELies to paranoid with these lights?

 

Best regards

Ruedi

P.S. I still not fully understand how these lights working. To my understanding it is indication a leak from Masse - and Masse + against the AMEL bonding system. Maybe I’m wrong?


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Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019 um 14:21
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Masse - and Masse + lights

T
In the circumstance you describe, the light indicates that there is a connection (resistance) between either the positive or negative and the case of the macerator pump. That "connection" is usually saltwater leaking past the seal on the pump. It is an "early warning system" that your seal is leaking and your pump will fail. A switch such as you suggest will certainly be a "see no evil" solution.🙈😀 You could accomplish the same by disconnection the yellow/green wire from the case, but, don't you really want to know when you have a seal leak.
 
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:25 PM <derickgates@...> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]

I have been diligently checking the Masse- and + lights in the companionway. Over the past 5 years when one of the lights go on (usually the Masse - ) I go and disconnect the power lines to the forward or aft head and sure enough, the leak of current to ground stops and I replace that Jabsco pump. Recently the Masse light did not go out until I had unplugged both the heads at the same time, indicating to me that both the head pumps were leaking to ground.

It occurs to me that instead of replacing the pump, I could just install a toggle switch to the offending brown or blue wire, so that I can turn the circuit on when anyone uses the head, and turn it off in the interim.  Then I could continue to use the offending pump until it dies a natural death.

Am I fooling myself or would installing that switch stop the current leakage to the Amel bonding system?

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava



Re: Replacing rubber parts in Vetus Type 6 Flexible coupling 35mm shaft

smiles bernard
 

Hi James 
I watched a mechanic undo mine when I had the engine mounts replaced 
No special tools were used
As far as I remember there were a series of bolts around the outer perimeter that connected the 2 halves. The bolt heads I think had holes in to allow for seizing wire 
Once undone and the shaft pulled aft the rubber cones that sit on shafts were exposed 
We want to replace mine to but could source them at the time very easily so it’s something I might have a go at soon. 

All the very best
Miles
Horta 
Azores  
Heading back to the uk as soon as the weather allows !



On 1 Jul 2019, at 11:30, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Hello,
   Looking for advice on the disassembly and replacement of the rubber parts on what appears to be an original Vetus Type 6 Flexible coupling on the 35mm shaft of my1987  Marmu.  (No C drive)  If I will  need any specialty tools such as the collar wrench for the job please let me know.  

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia


Re: SAILING TO FLORIDA FROM VENEZUELA

Mark Erdos
 

Alex,

 

Be sure to check for visa requirements based on the passport you plan to use.

 

When arriving in the USA as a private foreign flagged vessel, you will need to call the Customs Border Protection 800 number. You must have a working phone when you arrive in order to be able to do this. The 800 number will take all of your information and then send you to a CBP office to formally check in. They will need to issue a cruising permit (license) good for one year for the vessel. https://www.cbp.gov/  You are required to call the moment you reach a dock. All crew are required to go for the check in.

 

This is probably not legal but, once we landed in Key West and needed to get a SIM card in order to call the CBP number. We walked to the local CVS (pharmacy) and purchased a SIM card for our phone. We returned to the boat and placed the call.

 

From Jamaica, sail the windward passage (between Haiti and Cuba) and then follow the coast of Cuba to Florida.  This passage is patrolled by the Cubans, Bahamians and USGC. It is an easy sail due to being leeward of the Bahama Islands.

 

I would recommend landing in Key West, FL. I say this because you can easily walk to the CBP office. There are two CBP officers there, one in the court house and one at the airport. They will require the vessel to be at a dock. Docks there are expensive but you can leave after checking in and anchor in the bay. Ft. Lauderdale is another painless entry point. Pier 66 Marina is just inside on the ICW (one drawbridge – opens on the ½ hour and hour on demand) and you can taxi to the CBP office (usually they send you to the cruise port just over the bridge). There is very limited anchoring in Ft. Lauderdale.

 

If you opt to check in at Key West, consider going to Dry Tortugas National Park. A day sail westward from Key West. It is a really cool place to hang for a couple of days.

 

We have always found the CBP to be helpful, professional and friendly (with one exception in St. Augustine FL). The same is true for the USCG. We have been boarded three times and each was a pleasant experience.

 

The cruising permit allows the vessel to cruise in the USA for one year. You must notify CBP as you sail and change CBP regions. This is not clearly defined so, it is just best to call them each time you move the boat more than a few miles or change states.

 

The limits of the ICW fixed bridges is 65’ This is not Amel friendly. Just know that when you see a fixed bridge on a chart, you will not fit under it. Draw bridges are not a problem and many open only on scheduled times. The depth of the ICW in many cases is also problematic for Amels, more so in the remote areas.

 

I do not know about holding tank regulations for foreign vessels. The USGC requires holding tanks on vessels subject to USA regulations. You will need do some homework on this and be absolutely certain of the findings. A fine for a violation would be very expensive. Discharge of sewage from all vessels is prohibited.

 

Consider the Bahamas as a stop either before or after the USA.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alejandro Paquin
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:12 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] SAILING TO FLORIDA FROM VENEZUELA

 

I am considering sailing up to Florida early December, starting from my home port of La Guaira, Venezuela. I don´t think I would stop in Cuba in principle, but maybe Jamaica. Can anyone provide some tips and advice on a proposed route? Best place for US Port of entry and formalities with a foreign flag vessel and crew. What to expect with US Customs. Also any tips on sailing into the ICW in the Miami- Aventura area? Draft and bridges for example. Also, I don not have any holding tanks onbard, is this an issue to consider?
I´m thinking of heading south again in March or April 2020
--
Alex Paquin
S/V " SIMPATICO"
Amel Maramu
Hull #94, 1981


Re: electrical connector for Boxtron

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Alex,

As you probably noticed, it's made by Anderson Power Products.  It is most likely the SB-50 model.  If you unscrew it and look at the bottom, you'll be able to definitively identify the model.

These connectors are genderless (no need to worry about matching male/female), but will only mate with others of the same color.  The contacts that go inside come in a variety of wire sizes, so be sure you get the right ones for your purpose -- it's likely most suppliers will sell the contacts separately from the housing.  Many sizes are available on Amazon (like this one, which includes 8 AWG contacts) if the manufacturer only sells in bulk.  You could also try Digi-Key once you know the part number for the contacts, which you can find in the data sheet.

These are great connectors.  I've used them on many projects.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 8:28 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Google this: 50A Breakaway DC Power Connector

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 7:24 AM Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> wrote:
Dear all,
I need to know the name/type of this connector and where I can source it. Can you help?
Regards 
Alex Ramseyer 
SY NO STRESS 
AMEL54 #15


Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Alan Grayson
 

Hi All, thanks for the comments, I have spoken with the rigger again today to verify what everyone has said.
He said he did not mind doing the work with the mast up but said if I needed to do anything else now is a good time to do it.
Cost, should be close to even after calculating cost of labor for 2 and a bit days VS cost of crane, them doing final prep work before pulling, then refitting and tuning, I will be doing all prep work, switching out the rigging wires and rehookup once installed. They will store the mast free for 2 weeks.
The rigger asked if there was any other work I could do if the mast was pulled, answer is a big yes, I can pull some new wire, change the deck light, spot paint a bunch of corrosion spots ( no paint on deck), change AIS antenna plus servicing the gearboxes etc.
The rigger has done a couple of Amels before as he asked about the condition of the mast pads.
I plan on being in the carribean this winter so will get Amel Martinique to retune as it should stretch a bit by then.
As an Aircraft Engineer I feel confident in being able to do this work and as I'm new to this boat( I have owned a boat for 20 years) it will be a great learning experience as well as a chance to fix a few other things that would be easier to do with the mast down.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai. SM 406
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Miles <milesbid@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 1:43:18 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 

Hi Alan,

 

I would go to another rigger.  Your rig should be so tight that there will never be a shock load.  I changed my rigging after 60,000 miles and 18 years (not quite as far as Eric, and it appeared to be in good shape, like Eric’s.  I think that trick is to keep it Amel tight.  A rigger who does not know the boat will not make it tight enough.   I see no reason to take the mast out except to charge you more.

 

Warm regards,

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm216 , Newport RI Harbor.


SAILING TO FLORIDA FROM VENEZUELA

Alejandro Paquin
 

I am considering sailing up to Florida early December, starting from my home port of La Guaira, Venezuela. I don´t think I would stop in Cuba in principle, but maybe Jamaica. Can anyone provide some tips and advice on a proposed route? Best place for US Port of entry and formalities with a foreign flag vessel and crew. What to expect with US Customs. Also any tips on sailing into the ICW in the Miami- Aventura area? Draft and bridges for example. Also, I don not have any holding tanks onbard, is this an issue to consider?
I´m thinking of heading south again in March or April 2020
--
Alex Paquin
S/V " SIMPATICO"
Amel Maramu
Hull #94, 1981


Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Miles
 

Hi Alan,

 

I would go to another rigger.  Your rig should be so tight that there will never be a shock load.  I changed my rigging after 60,000 miles and 18 years (not quite as far as Eric, and it appeared to be in good shape, like Eric’s.  I think that trick is to keep it Amel tight.  A rigger who does not know the boat will not make it tight enough.   I see no reason to take the mast out except to charge you more.

 

Warm regards,

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm216 , Newport RI Harbor.


Re: electrical connector for Boxtron

 

Google this: 50A Breakaway DC Power Connector

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 7:24 AM Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...> wrote:
Dear all,
I need to know the name/type of this connector and where I can source it. Can you help?
Regards 
Alex Ramseyer 
SY NO STRESS 
AMEL54 #15


Re: Masse - and Masse + lights

 

Ruedi,

In your situation, I would look at the 24 volt solenoid switch for the 24 volt motor as being the most likely problem. I have noticed significant corrosion on these solenoid switches. 

If you disconnect only the wires from the motor and still have the light while the yellow/green bonding wire is connected, you have probably found a solenoid that needs replacing. 

Also, remember that saltwater is a good conductor of electricity. If saltwater is common between devices, all devices are "electrically connected."

I hope this helps you. Good luck. 

Bill Rouse


On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 4:54 AM Rudolf Waldispuehl <Rudolf@...> wrote:

Dear Amel Group Friends

 

I’m asking you guys if someone had the same or similar experience and what is your advice for my question:

 

I have a Negative Leak light on the 24V Pump-Motor of the Dessalator Duo. There is a Bonding wire (yellow/green) that runs from the Bonding strap in the grey-water sink to the Dessalator. But this wire is disconnected on the Dessalator unit. When I’m connecting the 24v pump directly to the bonding system the negative leak remains. Light is still on. 

 

The light does only switching OFF when I’m switching the pump on, or if I’m disconnecting the negative wire. 

BTW:  I cannot see any corrosion on the Dessalator unit. The DC motor itself has no contact to saltwater, - it's only the pressure pump in contact with saltwater (but no 24V connection).

 

- Does it mean I need a new 24V DC Motor? 

- Are there any longterm experiences what can happen if a negative (or positive) light is not fixed? 

- What is the affect and result of a longterm neg. vs pos. leak?

 

It’s very easy to get miliAmps of current on a 24V motor with brushes and wires, etc. Are we AMELies to paranoid with these lights?

 

Best regards

Ruedi

P.S. I still not fully understand how these lights working. To my understanding it is indication a leak from Masse - and Masse + against the AMEL bonding system. Maybe I’m wrong?


Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019 um 14:21
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Masse - and Masse + lights

T
In the circumstance you describe, the light indicates that there is a connection (resistance) between either the positive or negative and the case of the macerator pump. That "connection" is usually saltwater leaking past the seal on the pump. It is an "early warning system" that your seal is leaking and your pump will fail. A switch such as you suggest will certainly be a "see no evil" solution.🙈😀 You could accomplish the same by disconnection the yellow/green wire from the case, but, don't you really want to know when you have a seal leak.
 
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:25 PM <derickgates@...> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]

I have been diligently checking the Masse- and + lights in the companionway. Over the past 5 years when one of the lights go on (usually the Masse - ) I go and disconnect the power lines to the forward or aft head and sure enough, the leak of current to ground stops and I replace that Jabsco pump. Recently the Masse light did not go out until I had unplugged both the heads at the same time, indicating to me that both the head pumps were leaking to ground.

It occurs to me that instead of replacing the pump, I could just install a toggle switch to the offending brown or blue wire, so that I can turn the circuit on when anyone uses the head, and turn it off in the interim.  Then I could continue to use the offending pump until it dies a natural death.

Am I fooling myself or would installing that switch stop the current leakage to the Amel bonding system?

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava



electrical connector for Boxtron

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Dear all,
I need to know the name/type of this connector and where I can source it. Can you help?
Regards 
Alex Ramseyer 
SY NO STRESS 
AMEL54 #15


Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Roque
 

Alan

Unless you have a very specific problem or reason to do it, I would not pull the masts. And 7 years old and re-rigging are definitely not good reasons. You will probably spend more and take more risks.

But if you decide to go that way you can take the opportunity to also check the pad/rubber sole under both masts. Just by looking before taking the masts down, you might have an idea of what to expect, so you can order the part in advance and save some time.

On top of the good suggestions from others, I like to open all antenna domes, clean contacts and check the rubber seals. Lost one radar antenna to moisture once. But again, this can easily be done with masts up too.

Roque

Attika A54 117

Santos Brazil




Em ter, 2 de jul de 2019 às 08:20, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu:

Alan,
With your new rigging coming from ACMO and therefore ready to hang, plus your plan to do it yourself anyway, just do it all yourself without pulling the mast. Katherine and I did ours in the water over just a few days, taking it slow to minimize the time each day in the bosun's chair. It's easy-peasy and you'll have the confidence of knowing it's done correctly. It ain't rocket science.  If you want to refresh the mast wiring while you're at it, that's pretty easy too.

I recall stepping aboard one of this forum's member's SM's when he first got it and had had it "professionally" re-rigged after shipping. First thing I saw was no bolts in the backstay turnbuckle - and we were to jump offshore for a few days; yikes.  As the saying goes, if you want it done right, do it yourself. Or, if you're not up to diy, "you get what you inspect, not what you expect".

Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Craig Briggs
 

Alan,
With your new rigging coming from ACMO and therefore ready to hang, plus your plan to do it yourself anyway, just do it all yourself without pulling the mast. Katherine and I did ours in the water over just a few days, taking it slow to minimize the time each day in the bosun's chair. It's easy-peasy and you'll have the confidence of knowing it's done correctly. It ain't rocket science.  If you want to refresh the mast wiring while you're at it, that's pretty easy too.

I recall stepping aboard one of this forum's member's SM's when he first got it and had had it "professionally" re-rigged after shipping. First thing I saw was no bolts in the backstay turnbuckle - and we were to jump offshore for a few days; yikes.  As the saying goes, if you want it done right, do it yourself. Or, if you're not up to diy, "you get what you inspect, not what you expect".

Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Masse - and Masse + lights

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Dear Amel Group Friends

 

I’m asking you guys if someone had the same or similar experience and what is your advice for my question:

 

I have a Negative Leak light on the 24V Pump-Motor of the Dessalator Duo. There is a Bonding wire (yellow/green) that runs from the Bonding strap in the grey-water sink to the Dessalator. But this wire is disconnected on the Dessalator unit. When I’m connecting the 24v pump directly to the bonding system the negative leak remains. Light is still on. 

 

The light does only switching OFF when I’m switching the pump on, or if I’m disconnecting the negative wire. 

BTW:  I cannot see any corrosion on the Dessalator unit. The DC motor itself has no contact to saltwater, - it's only the pressure pump in contact with saltwater (but no 24V connection).

 

- Does it mean I need a new 24V DC Motor? 

- Are there any longterm experiences what can happen if a negative (or positive) light is not fixed? 

- What is the affect and result of a longterm neg. vs pos. leak?

 

It’s very easy to get miliAmps of current on a 24V motor with brushes and wires, etc. Are we AMELies to paranoid with these lights?

 

Best regards

Ruedi

P.S. I still not fully understand how these lights working. To my understanding it is indication a leak from Masse - and Masse + against the AMEL bonding system. Maybe I’m wrong?


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In the circumstance you describe, the light indicates that there is a connection (resistance) between either the positive or negative and the case of the macerator pump. That "connection" is usually saltwater leaking past the seal on the pump. It is an "early warning system" that your seal is leaking and your pump will fail. A switch such as you suggest will certainly be a "see no evil" solution.🙈😀 You could accomplish the same by disconnection the yellow/green wire from the case, but, don't you really want to know when you have a seal leak.
 
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:25 PM <derickgates@...> wrote:
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I have been diligently checking the Masse- and + lights in the companionway. Over the past 5 years when one of the lights go on (usually the Masse - ) I go and disconnect the power lines to the forward or aft head and sure enough, the leak of current to ground stops and I replace that Jabsco pump. Recently the Masse light did not go out until I had unplugged both the heads at the same time, indicating to me that both the head pumps were leaking to ground.

It occurs to me that instead of replacing the pump, I could just install a toggle switch to the offending brown or blue wire, so that I can turn the circuit on when anyone uses the head, and turn it off in the interim.  Then I could continue to use the offending pump until it dies a natural death.

Am I fooling myself or would installing that switch stop the current leakage to the Amel bonding system?

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava



Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Allen,
I had my rigging changed with mast up in Grenada by “Turbulence” rigging.  It took a couple of days, and was done in pairs, so say both port and starboard cap shrouds were taken off, then new made up and fitted, tensioned snug. Etc until the whole job was done. Then finally tuned and fully tensioned.
In terms of inspecting the mast, I believe it is easier whilst up  apart from seeing the underside of the bottom where it is stepped.

Nick
Amelia near Corfu
AML 54-019


On 2 Jul 2019, at 05:21, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Alan,

I had Kimberlite re-rigged by the Amel riggers in Martinique last year. It was beautiful to watch.

It took two men 2 days to do with the mast in place.

They took down the port and starboard wires in pairs , made up the rigging with Acmo components and put them back in place. While they were changing the rigging another person was polishing the chainplates.

 

After watching this done I cannot understand why the  rigger you spoke to wants to take down the mast. While the headstay was down they also rebuilt the genoa furler.

 

I would suggest you speak to another rigger, They can inspect the top of the mast in place..

If I am not mistaken Amel suggests every 15 years, My rigging was 16 years old. I had them cut open a few swages and no rust in them and no problems after 80,000 miles.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 2:50 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD


Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

eric freedman
 

Hi Alan,

I had Kimberlite re-rigged by the Amel riggers in Martinique last year. It was beautiful to watch.

It took two men 2 days to do with the mast in place.

They took down the port and starboard wires in pairs , made up the rigging with Acmo components and put them back in place. While they were changing the rigging another person was polishing the chainplates.

 

After watching this done I cannot understand why the  rigger you spoke to wants to take down the mast. While the headstay was down they also rebuilt the genoa furler.

 

I would suggest you speak to another rigger, They can inspect the top of the mast in place..

If I am not mistaken Amel suggests every 15 years, My rigging was 16 years old. I had them cut open a few swages and no rust in them and no problems after 80,000 miles.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 2:50 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD


Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Alan,

I strongly believe that "easier" is the key word. I think you should consider other riggers. I also believe that this re-rig with unstepping masts will be more costly than necessary. Any rigger worth his salt can inspect every square inch of a mast by climbing the mast.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970 (If I do not have your number in My Contacts, you will go to VoiceMail. Text me in advance with your number and I'll white list it.)



On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:31 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
He said to be able to have a good look over everything and easier to do rigging with the mast pulled.
M Yacht Rigging in Annapolis and yes I know you only recommend a couple of other riggers
Alan Grayson
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2019 10:22:57 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 
Did these riggers say why every seven years? And which riggers?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 1:49 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD


Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Alan Grayson
 

He said to be able to have a good look over everything and easier to do rigging with the mast pulled.
M Yacht Rigging in Annapolis and yes I know you only recommend a couple of other riggers
Alan Grayson
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2019 10:22:57 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 
Did these riggers say why every seven years? And which riggers?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 1:49 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD


Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Did these riggers say why every seven years? And which riggers?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 1:49 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD


Pulling the mast to rerig

Alan Grayson
 

Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD