Date   
Prop shaft bearing

Rainer Huthmacher
 

Hello Captains of Amels,
I have to change the cutless bearing of my Sharki, because of vibrations under engine wich occurred after I was installing a shaft alternator...
How do I pull the propshaft?
Do I really have to lift the engine?
Any suggestions of a Sharki, Maramu or Mango owner would be greatly appreciated....
Rainer Huthmacher
Former owner of SM#69 “Yin Yang”,now owner of Sharki#83 “Rock’n Roll”,currently in Teneriffe...
It feels good to back in this great forum

Re: Window reveals refurb?

Gerhard Mueller
 

Miles

Same here with a 1982 Sharki. I sanded and cleaned it and varnished the area. First varnish was very diluted to move the varnish deep into the dry wood.
Might be done again after some time.

Best Regards
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Window reveals refurb?

Mark Erdos
 

Miles,

On our previous boat, a Cheoy Lee, we had a lot of teak. The best thing I found was to strip the wood down and apply West System epoxy, then a few coats of varnish with UV protection. This works well and will last about 4-5 year before needing to be recoated again with varnish (no need to do the epoxy again).

Hpe this helps.


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia
www.creampuff.us

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of smiles bernard via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 7:47 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Window reveals refurb?


Hello

Does anyone have any tips or tricks for repair of the window reveals ?

By this I mean the exposed ply edging around the inside of the windows - photo attached

I’m not sure if the SMS have this same design but on my Maramu these ply edges get a lot is sun and in places the facing veneer is starting to delaminate.

Just sand and varnish as best possible or does anyone have any more ideas about a better fix?

Many thanks
Miles

Maramu 162


Sent from my iPhone

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

John Clark
 

Gary, I used the single step Interlux,. I put photos of the cans on the forum...or maybe the FB group.  It works fine even in summer.  The paint is contained inside the Bugler tool so it doesn't dry out vlike it would in an open can.

I added a small amount of brush extender solvent to the mixing cup which gave me all day to work with the cup.  

Once on the deck it dried in 30 min 

John
SV Annie. SM 37
...missing the Amel Caribbean Ralley...

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 2:02 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
I think it all points to 1-part marine paint and redeaux every 5-6 years😀. At least that is where I would up a few years ago.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:58 PM Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Bill for the confirmation of the color.  

I have read and researched using Awlgrip for the stripes (as advised by the folks who did the repairs to Liahona and did her painting).  However, having just spoken with the Interlux Awlgrip technical representative I don't see how it will be feasible to use Awlgrip.  He indicated that the pot life for Awlgrip in 85 degrees is about 15 minutes to 30 minutes.  This he says is about as long as it takes to spray the hull of a 30 ft boat, but of course we aren't spraying and need a much longer pot life for this laborious process.  

He suggested Interlux Perfection two part topsides paint that properly reduced will have about a one hour pot life at 85 degrees F.  I have used perfection in the past for some spar touch ups and it has indeed lasted well.  It does come in a Cream color that appears to be similar to the Awlgrip Cream color. AwlGrip and Perfection bothl require a two part epoxy primer for adhesion (thus adding to the manpower involved in this process) but the pot life of the primers is much longer  than the top-coats and won't be an issue.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Rico 




Re: Insurance updates.

John Clark
 

Hi All,
   Yes, I think everyone is paying more now.  My insurance went from $2600 to $4200, after switching companies when my insurer lost any underwriters for US boats in the Caribbean.  

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 3:38 PM Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io <uster=rocketmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good afternoon Gary,

Thanks for your kind message.
As you know I have always been a big fan of yours and so thankful for the countless, excellent and so precise writings you provided the forum over the years.

I am definitely sorry about the damages you experienced during the Hurricane, but I am glad that you had an overall positive insurance experience, and glad Liahona was repaired properly!   

I don’t doubt Helvetia will pay (by french law under I am governed) they have 2 years (so until November this year), but they surely try to get as much interest rate as they can…

Hope we meet one day!

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/28/19, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance updates.
 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
 Date: Thursday, February 28, 2019, 12:49 PM

 Alexandre:  

 I am so sad to hear of the
 pain and suffering you have received at the hands of your
 insurance company.  While I can certainly understand your
 feelings about insurance companies and I don't desire to
 worsen your pain and suffering, I can say that I had a
 reasonably good experience with my insurance claim.  The
 total repairs were about $135,000, my deductible was $16,000
 and the difference was paid as a $60,000 advance to commence
 work, with the balance paid in a timely manner when work was
 completed.  I was insured by YachtInsure thru Offshore Risk
 Management (William Coates).  I was on site for 10 of the
 16 weeks of the repairs and have over 2000 photos (daily
 about 50 photos taken by someone I hired to send those
 photos to me daily when I wasn't there).  It was very
 reassuring and helpful to be actively involved in the
 repairs as I was able to advise about the Amel construction
 techniques and features.  Fortunately the rubber scupper
 extrusion material was available from Amel or I don't
 know what we would have done.  The most un-satisfactory
 part of my insurance dealings is that the same insurer will
 not now insure the boat for the surveyed value.  I had to
 buy "Excess Insurance" to bring the value up to
 the desire limit.  I think the insurers are all reacting
 (dare I say over-reacting) to their losses in the Caribbean
 from Irma and Maria.  
 I sincerely hope
 that somewhere in the companies you are dealing with there
 is someone who is honest and will pay your claim, sooner
 rather than later.  

 All
 the best to you, 

 Gary S.
 Silver
 s/v Liahona
 Amel SM
 2000 #335







Window reveals refurb?

smiles bernard
 

Hello

Does anyone have any tips or tricks for repair of the window reveals ?

By this I mean the exposed ply edging around the inside of the windows - photo attached

I’m not sure if the SMS have this same design but on my Maramu these ply edges get a lot is sun and in places the facing veneer is starting to delaminate.

Just sand and varnish as best possible or does anyone have any more ideas about a better fix?

Many thanks
Miles

Maramu 162


Sent from my iPhone

Re: Jordan Drogue

eric freedman
 

Danny,

Before deciding on the Jordan for my first offshore boat I read the DDDB Drag Device Data book about sea anchors and drogues. My conclusion was to go with the Jordan.

I just pulled out the book and found a quote that I remembered from a boat using a 18 foot para anchor in

Force 9-10 winds . “as each monster wave approached. Celtic would back up like a retreating Muhammed Ali against a charging  Joe Frazier and let the impact roll under her. Huge waves would break on us and roll over the deck darkening the cabin with its green water. (page 3.1.45)

 

My other concern was that on a sea anchor you are going backwards. I don’t know what effect that would have on the rudder over an extended period of time.

I recall that quote to this day .

 

If you look at article below   the video in the attached link towards the middle of the article you will see the coast guard rescue of a few sailors from an upturned Swan about 160 miles closer to land than we were . If you look carefully you will see the men in the water in the night, At 2 minutes 30 seconds you will see the coast guard returning to retrieve the deceased captain. The chopper was hovering at 100 feet and you will see the chopper almost going into that wave. The boat was closer to shore so the winds and the wave heights were less than what we encountered..

I have now had the drogue out 3 times on 2 different boats and I hope it just sits in its bag and dies of green mold.

 

I have fabricated a wood block that bolts over the stern cleats so no more problem of ripping the cones there.

 

In the future, I plan on moving the SB antenna a few feet forward and then I can run the drogue bridle outside the backstays and that will solve all my issues.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

http://lifefloatingby.blogspot.com/2008/10/coast-guard-rescues-2-mt-pleasant.html)

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 4:56 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Jordan Drogue

 

Hi Danny,

I don’t recall numerous problems with the Jordan the few times I have launched it. I believe with a bow mounted drag device, if a big wave is breaking you are going to get pooped..

How did your sea anchor work in Hurricane conditions?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:32 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Jordan Drogue

 

Hi Eric,

I know you believe in the drogue method of storm tactics but your description of your boat preparation and handling systems confirms my negativity to the system. The number of things to potentially go wrong is scary. Also It places the boat stern on to the breaking seas and that results in those seas breaking into the boat and filling the cockpit with water. I remember you saying that the crew in the cockpit was up to their armpits in water. I will stay with my bow deployed sea anchor. The front facing parts of the boat are designed to take attacks by the sea which the stern is not. (In my opinion.)

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 February 2019 at 17:35 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

With respect to the Jordan Drogue it is now available in spectra—that is the way to go. It was originally developed by Don Jordan and manufactured by Dave Pelissier of Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut—I would order it from him  and only him.

There are many people now selling the drogue and a few that I have seen are shoddy.

 

If you are feeling really nautical you can buy the kit from him with pre-assembled cones and weave it together yourself.  If you do not get it from Ace, Make sure that the forward facing edge of the cones have seams on them otherwise they will shred after many hours in the water. See above photo.

 

 

When I had Kimberlite built I had Amel Super reinforce the stern cleats. At the end of my bridles I also have large loops spliced into them.

To keep from putting strain on one back stay (you only will have to adjust one leg)  I had a machine shop make me a titanium Humongous snatch block for 1 ½ inch line. Which I will fasten to a few places on the deck fittings to square the boat to the waves.

 

You might also want to have the vinyl covering for the cockpit (weather cloths) zippers modified. I had my sailmaker put loops on either side of the zipper every foot and a half so if the zipper starts coming apart you can tie it back together.

 

When bringing in the drogue you will need something bolted to the stern chocks as the drogue wants to get caught on it and tear the cones.

The drogue has to be tailed by hand as it is  too big for the winch.

Careful not to tear the cones on the winch line stripper.

 

Lastly, the winch motor will cut out after about 4 minutes due to thermal overload. Either bring in the drogue a bit, wait for the motor to cool off and proceed or wait till the overload device trips and then wait 5 minutes and it will work again.

 

I hope it never leaves your port locker.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: carpathia3 via groups.io [mailto:carpathia3@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:23 AM
To: eric freedman
Subject: Private: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gearbox greasing

 

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your response, very clear! And yes, I would like to attend to the shaft as well... Just not sure I will be able to take it out. I may have to construct a tool like Jose's to remove it. Mine has probably never been serviced in 19 years so I expect the worst...

I know you are also a big fan of the Jordan drogue and I am quite interested in having one on Carpathia. Can I ask you for your latest advice on how to fit it well with the backstays, and what you found the best setup on the SM. Any picture would help too...

Many thanks,

Guillaume

 


 


 

CAT pump mechanics needed in FLA

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Dear Amelians,
I'm searching a good CAT pump dealer AND MECHANIC. Will need parts and help, once in Florida. I currently plan to stay in Ft. Lauderdale and in the Ft. Pierce area.
Please let me know in case you have this information or can recommend somebody.

Thanks,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54, #15
--
Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android Mobiltelefon mit GMX Mail gesendet.
Am 28.02.19, 16:05, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> schrieb:

James,

Eric Freedman of Kimberlite wrote this article about using a Jordan Drogue on his Super Maramu:  http://www.oceannavigator.com/March-April-2011/Prepare-for-survival-conditions/

You can also search this forum for "Jordan Drogue" and you will find several discussions.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Jordan Drogue

eric freedman
 

Hi Danny,

I don’t recall numerous problems with the Jordan the few times I have launched it. I believe with a bow mounted drag device, if a big wave is breaking you are going to get pooped..

How did your sea anchor work in Hurricane conditions?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:32 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Jordan Drogue

 

Hi Eric,

I know you believe in the drogue method of storm tactics but your description of your boat preparation and handling systems confirms my negativity to the system. The number of things to potentially go wrong is scary. Also It places the boat stern on to the breaking seas and that results in those seas breaking into the boat and filling the cockpit with water. I remember you saying that the crew in the cockpit was up to their armpits in water. I will stay with my bow deployed sea anchor. The front facing parts of the boat are designed to take attacks by the sea which the stern is not. (In my opinion.)

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 February 2019 at 17:35 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

With respect to the Jordan Drogue it is now available in spectra—that is the way to go. It was originally developed by Don Jordan and manufactured by Dave Pelissier of Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut—I would order it from him  and only him.

There are many people now selling the drogue and a few that I have seen are shoddy.

 

If you are feeling really nautical you can buy the kit from him with pre-assembled cones and weave it together yourself.  If you do not get it from Ace, Make sure that the forward facing edge of the cones have seams on them otherwise they will shred after many hours in the water. See above photo.

 

 

When I had Kimberlite built I had Amel Super reinforce the stern cleats. At the end of my bridles I also have large loops spliced into them.

To keep from putting strain on one back stay (you only will have to adjust one leg)  I had a machine shop make me a titanium Humongous snatch block for 1 ½ inch line. Which I will fasten to a few places on the deck fittings to square the boat to the waves.

 

You might also want to have the vinyl covering for the cockpit (weather cloths) zippers modified. I had my sailmaker put loops on either side of the zipper every foot and a half so if the zipper starts coming apart you can tie it back together.

 

When bringing in the drogue you will need something bolted to the stern chocks as the drogue wants to get caught on it and tear the cones.

The drogue has to be tailed by hand as it is  too big for the winch.

Careful not to tear the cones on the winch line stripper.

 

Lastly, the winch motor will cut out after about 4 minutes due to thermal overload. Either bring in the drogue a bit, wait for the motor to cool off and proceed or wait till the overload device trips and then wait 5 minutes and it will work again.

 

I hope it never leaves your port locker.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: carpathia3 via groups.io [mailto:carpathia3@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:23 AM
To: eric freedman
Subject: Private: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gearbox greasing

 

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your response, very clear! And yes, I would like to attend to the shaft as well... Just not sure I will be able to take it out. I may have to construct a tool like Jose's to remove it. Mine has probably never been serviced in 19 years so I expect the worst...

I know you are also a big fan of the Jordan drogue and I am quite interested in having one on Carpathia. Can I ask you for your latest advice on how to fit it well with the backstays, and what you found the best setup on the SM. Any picture would help too...

Many thanks,

Guillaume

 


 


 

Re: Jordan Drogue

Mark McGovern
 

James,

Eric Freedman of Kimberlite wrote this article about using a Jordan Drogue on his Super Maramu:  http://www.oceannavigator.com/March-April-2011/Prepare-for-survival-conditions/

You can also search this forum for "Jordan Drogue" and you will find several discussions.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Insurance updates.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Gary,

Thanks for your kind message.
As you know I have always been a big fan of yours and so thankful for the countless, excellent and so precise writings you provided the forum over the years.

I am definitely sorry about the damages you experienced during the Hurricane, but I am glad that you had an overall positive insurance experience, and glad Liahona was repaired properly!

I don’t doubt Helvetia will pay (by french law under I am governed) they have 2 years (so until November this year), but they surely try to get as much interest rate as they can…

Hope we meet one day!

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 2/28/19, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:

Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance updates.
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2019, 12:49 PM

Alexandre:  

I am so sad to hear of the
pain and suffering you have received at the hands of your
insurance company.  While I can certainly understand your
feelings about insurance companies and I don't desire to
worsen your pain and suffering, I can say that I had a
reasonably good experience with my insurance claim.  The
total repairs were about $135,000, my deductible was $16,000
and the difference was paid as a $60,000 advance to commence
work, with the balance paid in a timely manner when work was
completed.  I was insured by YachtInsure thru Offshore Risk
Management (William Coates).  I was on site for 10 of the
16 weeks of the repairs and have over 2000 photos (daily
about 50 photos taken by someone I hired to send those
photos to me daily when I wasn't there).  It was very
reassuring and helpful to be actively involved in the
repairs as I was able to advise about the Amel construction
techniques and features.  Fortunately the rubber scupper
extrusion material was available from Amel or I don't
know what we would have done.  The most un-satisfactory
part of my insurance dealings is that the same insurer will
not now insure the boat for the surveyed value.  I had to
buy "Excess Insurance" to bring the value up to
the desire limit.  I think the insurers are all reacting
(dare I say over-reacting) to their losses in the Caribbean
from Irma and Maria.  
I sincerely hope
that somewhere in the companies you are dealing with there
is someone who is honest and will pay your claim, sooner
rather than later.  

All
the best to you, 

Gary S.
Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM
2000 #335

Re: Jordan Drogue

James Alton
 

The sea anchor option has many benefits, some of which you mentioned but it also has one big potential problem.  It is possible under certain conditions to develop significant sternway while riding to a sea anchor and the potential exists for rudders to be damaged or destroyed.   The Amel rudders seem to be quite stout so perhaps they could handle more stress than an average sailboat but this would still be a concern to me in very extreme conditions.  If anyone has been on a sea anchor with an Amel in extreme conditions, I would certainly be interested to hear your story.  

One other concern I have with the sea anchor option is the lack of manuverabilty should another vessel approach or the boat be driven towards some danger.  With the drogue off the stern you should have some control of direction without having to recover or detach from the drogue.  Certainly an interesting area of discussion.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 28, 2019, at 12:31 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Eric,

I know you believe in the drogue method of storm tactics but your description of your boat preparation and handling systems confirms my negativity to the system. The number of things to potentially go wrong is scary. Also It places the boat stern on to the breaking seas and that results in those seas breaking into the boat and filling the cockpit with water. I remember you saying that the crew in the cockpit was up to their armpits in water. I will stay with my bow deployed sea anchor. The front facing parts of the boat are designed to take attacks by the sea which the stern is not. (In my opinion.)

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 February 2019 at 17:35 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

With respect to the Jordan Drogue it is now available in spectra—that is the way to go. It was originally developed by Don Jordan and manufactured by Dave Pelissier of Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut—I would order it from him  and only him.

There are many people now selling the drogue and a few that I have seen are shoddy.

 

If you are feeling really nautical you can buy the kit from him with pre-assembled cones and weave it together yourself.  If you do not get it from Ace, Make sure that the forward facing edge of the cones have seams on them otherwise they will shred after many hours in the water. See above photo.

 

 

When I had Kimberlite built I had Amel Super reinforce the stern cleats. At the end of my bridles I also have large loops spliced into them.

To keep from putting strain on one back stay (you only will have to adjust one leg)  I had a machine shop make me a titanium Humongous snatch block for 1 ½ inch line. Which I will fasten to a few places on the deck fittings to square the boat to the waves.

 

You might also want to have the vinyl covering for the cockpit (weather cloths) zippers modified. I had my sailmaker put loops on either side of the zipper every foot and a half so if the zipper starts coming apart you can tie it back together.

 

When bringing in the drogue you will need something bolted to the stern chocks as the drogue wants to get caught on it and tear the cones.

The drogue has to be tailed by hand as it is  too big for the winch.

Careful not to tear the cones on the winch line stripper.

 

Lastly, the winch motor will cut out after about 4 minutes due to thermal overload. Either bring in the drogue a bit, wait for the motor to cool off and proceed or wait till the overload device trips and then wait 5 minutes and it will work again.

 

I hope it never leaves your port locker.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: carpathia3 via groups.io [mailto:carpathia3@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:23 AM
To: eric freedman
Subject: Private: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gearbox greasing

 

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your response, very clear! And yes, I would like to attend to the shaft as well... Just not sure I will be able to take it out. I may have to construct a tool like Jose's to remove it. Mine has probably never been serviced in 19 years so I expect the worst...

I know you are also a big fan of the Jordan drogue and I am quite interested in having one on Carpathia. Can I ask you for your latest advice on how to fit it well with the backstays, and what you found the best setup on the SM. Any picture would help too...

Many thanks,

Guillaume

 


 


 


Re: Insurance updates.

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Alexandre,

I am very sorry to hear about your continued difficulties with your insurer.

As an aside, I now use Y Yachts in UK and their contracts are clear and concise.  If I need to make a claim, I am quite certain they would settle quickly and equitably.  But again, as mentioned before, insurers are always difficult to deal with.

Best of luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007



On 1 Mar 2019, at 06:56, Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io <uster@...> wrote:

Over 2 months later, and despite 2 more letters from my lawyers to ask the settlement clauses to be notified still nothing.
So today I called Helvetia and said these clauses were not acceptable, that they should know by now that I will not let go, that personally I wanted to go to trial, but my lawyers want to solve the issue peacefully.
The person said he will contact the legal department to see about changing the clauses.  (last time my lawyers ask them, they supposedly were very busy and needed more time).
Always excuses..
So will see.

Now regarding Pantaneus (reminder: one of their insured lost control and hit my vessel in Nassau in July 2014).  They still not have sent the ridiculous amount they agreed to pay.
Helvetia said that Mr Thomas Mullady does not reply any of their email.  Helvetia assures me, they do everything to obtain that payment.
I told them, if in 2014 then you did not want to hire a lawyer for $20.000 I doubt you will hire one for less.  They assure me again I would be reimbursed.

Personally I will NEVER use insurance again (aside for the required liability).  It is obvious they are ALL dishonest.
In the pasts, I heard many “horror” stories, I thought this was exaggerations from upset people, unfortunately this is all true.

On a side note, the french customs asked me to pay “this year” (2019) annual fee for the boat (which they know sunk in 2017), but we solved that.

Sincerely, Alexandre




Re: Watermaker Fuse

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hi Ralph,
I changed the original fuse (which is working thermal and therefore not apropiate for the engineroom) to a switch/fuse  from Carling Technologies which is working hydraulic magnetic.Sorry but I have the papers in germany. 
I bought one from SVB and one from the German Dealer .
Easy to Change,  fits in the original place, only the hole in the front should be a little bigger.
Since changing no more trouble.
Fair winds Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54#162 Tortola 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

 

I think it all points to 1-part marine paint and redeaux every 5-6 years😀. At least that is where I would up a few years ago.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:58 PM Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Bill for the confirmation of the color.  

I have read and researched using Awlgrip for the stripes (as advised by the folks who did the repairs to Liahona and did her painting).  However, having just spoken with the Interlux Awlgrip technical representative I don't see how it will be feasible to use Awlgrip.  He indicated that the pot life for Awlgrip in 85 degrees is about 15 minutes to 30 minutes.  This he says is about as long as it takes to spray the hull of a 30 ft boat, but of course we aren't spraying and need a much longer pot life for this laborious process.  

He suggested Interlux Perfection two part topsides paint that properly reduced will have about a one hour pot life at 85 degrees F.  I have used perfection in the past for some spar touch ups and it has indeed lasted well.  It does come in a Cream color that appears to be similar to the Awlgrip Cream color. AwlGrip and Perfection bothl require a two part epoxy primer for adhesion (thus adding to the manpower involved in this process) but the pot life of the primers is much longer  than the top-coats and won't be an issue.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Rico 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Painting deck stripes - how much paint is needed??

Gary Silver
 

Thanks Bill for the confirmation of the color.  

I have read and researched using Awlgrip for the stripes (as advised by the folks who did the repairs to Liahona and did her painting).  However, having just spoken with the Interlux Awlgrip technical representative I don't see how it will be feasible to use Awlgrip.  He indicated that the pot life for Awlgrip in 85 degrees is about 15 minutes to 30 minutes.  This he says is about as long as it takes to spray the hull of a 30 ft boat, but of course we aren't spraying and need a much longer pot life for this laborious process.  

He suggested Interlux Perfection two part topsides paint that properly reduced will have about a one hour pot life at 85 degrees F.  I have used perfection in the past for some spar touch ups and it has indeed lasted well.  It does come in a Cream color that appears to be similar to the Awlgrip Cream color. AwlGrip and Perfection bothl require a two part epoxy primer for adhesion (thus adding to the manpower involved in this process) but the pot life of the primers is much longer  than the top-coats and won't be an issue.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Rico 




Re: Insurance updates.

Gary Silver
 

Alexandre:  

I am so sad to hear of the pain and suffering you have received at the hands of your insurance company.  While I can certainly understand your feelings about insurance companies and I don't desire to worsen your pain and suffering, I can say that I had a reasonably good experience with my insurance claim.  The total repairs were about $135,000, my deductible was $16,000 and the difference was paid as a $60,000 advance to commence work, with the balance paid in a timely manner when work was completed.  I was insured by YachtInsure thru Offshore Risk Management (William Coates).  I was on site for 10 of the 16 weeks of the repairs and have over 2000 photos (daily about 50 photos taken by someone I hired to send those photos to me daily when I wasn't there).  It was very reassuring and helpful to be actively involved in the repairs as I was able to advise about the Amel construction techniques and features.  Fortunately the rubber scupper extrusion material was available from Amel or I don't know what we would have done.  The most un-satisfactory part of my insurance dealings is that the same insurer will not now insure the boat for the surveyed value.  I had to buy "Excess Insurance" to bring the value up to the desire limit.  I think the insurers are all reacting (dare I say over-reacting) to their losses in the Caribbean from Irma and Maria.  
I sincerely hope that somewhere in the companies you are dealing with there is someone who is honest and will pay your claim, sooner rather than later.  

All the best to you, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335

Insurance updates.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Over 2 months later, and despite 2 more letters from my lawyers to ask the settlement clauses to be notified still nothing.
So today I called Helvetia and said these clauses were not acceptable, that they should know by now that I will not let go, that personally I wanted to go to trial, but my lawyers want to solve the issue peacefully.
The person said he will contact the legal department to see about changing the clauses. (last time my lawyers ask them, they supposedly were very busy and needed more time).
Always excuses..
So will see.

Now regarding Pantaneus (reminder: one of their insured lost control and hit my vessel in Nassau in July 2014). They still not have sent the ridiculous amount they agreed to pay.
Helvetia said that Mr Thomas Mullady does not reply any of their email. Helvetia assures me, they do everything to obtain that payment.
I told them, if in 2014 then you did not want to hire a lawyer for $20.000 I doubt you will hire one for less. They assure me again I would be reimbursed.

Personally I will NEVER use insurance again (aside for the required liability). It is obvious they are ALL dishonest.
In the pasts, I heard many “horror” stories, I thought this was exaggerations from upset people, unfortunately this is all true.

On a side note, the french customs asked me to pay “this year” (2019) annual fee for the boat (which they know sunk in 2017), but we solved that.

Sincerely, Alexandre

Re: Jordan Drogue

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Eric,

I know you believe in the drogue method of storm tactics but your description of your boat preparation and handling systems confirms my negativity to the system. The number of things to potentially go wrong is scary. Also It places the boat stern on to the breaking seas and that results in those seas breaking into the boat and filling the cockpit with water. I remember you saying that the crew in the cockpit was up to their armpits in water. I will stay with my bow deployed sea anchor. The front facing parts of the boat are designed to take attacks by the sea which the stern is not. (In my opinion.)

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 February 2019 at 17:35 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

With respect to the Jordan Drogue it is now available in spectra—that is the way to go. It was originally developed by Don Jordan and manufactured by Dave Pelissier of Ace Sailmakers in Connecticut—I would order it from him  and only him.

There are many people now selling the drogue and a few that I have seen are shoddy.

 

If you are feeling really nautical you can buy the kit from him with pre-assembled cones and weave it together yourself.  If you do not get it from Ace, Make sure that the forward facing edge of the cones have seams on them otherwise they will shred after many hours in the water. See above photo.

 

 

When I had Kimberlite built I had Amel Super reinforce the stern cleats. At the end of my bridles I also have large loops spliced into them.

To keep from putting strain on one back stay (you only will have to adjust one leg)  I had a machine shop make me a titanium Humongous snatch block for 1 ½ inch line. Which I will fasten to a few places on the deck fittings to square the boat to the waves.

 

You might also want to have the vinyl covering for the cockpit (weather cloths) zippers modified. I had my sailmaker put loops on either side of the zipper every foot and a half so if the zipper starts coming apart you can tie it back together.

 

When bringing in the drogue you will need something bolted to the stern chocks as the drogue wants to get caught on it and tear the cones.

The drogue has to be tailed by hand as it is  too big for the winch.

Careful not to tear the cones on the winch line stripper.

 

Lastly, the winch motor will cut out after about 4 minutes due to thermal overload. Either bring in the drogue a bit, wait for the motor to cool off and proceed or wait till the overload device trips and then wait 5 minutes and it will work again.

 

I hope it never leaves your port locker.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: carpathia3 via groups.io [mailto:carpathia3@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:23 AM
To: eric freedman
Subject: Private: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Gearbox greasing

 

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your response, very clear! And yes, I would like to attend to the shaft as well... Just not sure I will be able to take it out. I may have to construct a tool like Jose's to remove it. Mine has probably never been serviced in 19 years so I expect the worst...

I know you are also a big fan of the Jordan drogue and I am quite interested in having one on Carpathia. Can I ask you for your latest advice on how to fit it well with the backstays, and what you found the best setup on the SM. Any picture would help too...

Many thanks,

Guillaume

 


 


 

Re: Amel lettering colour / RAL

tony wells
 

Thank you Courtney - the perfect Pantone! 

On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:09, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

Hi Tony just talked to my Graphics guy and this is the color of Vinyl we used
the pms color is 7421C,    



-----Original Message-----
From: tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Feb 28, 2019 6:54 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel lettering colour / RAL

Hi all

We recently bought Amel 54 “Catriona R” #102 in Preveza, Greece. We are reverting to the original name “Balthazar” per this old photo attached (I’ve edited out the “IV” suffix and port name). 

Amel, who would have applied the name originally do not have a record of the font or colour. I have now identified and bought the font as Aviano Contrast Heavy. CAN ANYONE HELP IDENTIFY THE COLOUR PLEASE? A RAL ref for Amel’s ‘standard’ burgundy would be perfect. 

Finally, thank you All for such a fabulous forum - a deciding factor in our yacht choice. Being technically inept, the forum has given me great insight...and sleepless nights, in equal measure! We’ve had a much-appreciated welcome from a number of owners and are supported by Bill Rouse too. 

Tony & Lel Wells
Balthazar (formerly Catriona R)
A54 #102 Preveza, Greece (circumnavigation planned, starting 2022...)