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Re: Dyneema loop

PENELOPE CONNOR
 

Thanks for the photo. I will get some when I’m in Hyeres.

Regards
Barry


On 25 Jul 2019, at 08:37, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Barry;

Glad to hear your hail out went as planned. On Kokomo, all blocks are attached to booms and masts with soft shackles. Attached please find a picture of one of them that we later replaced. We have 2 different lengths and about 7 total (not sure of the exact count because we are currently in the Montenegrin Mountains and not on board to give you an exact count).

Can you send me a list of your contacts and good contractors in Monastir? We may haul out in Tunisia in about a couple of years.

<image1.jpeg>

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty 
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54#099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad,

Hope your sailing is going well, we are now in Sardinia. Stopping at Antibes (Dessalator), Hyeres (Amel parts) soon. Had a very successful haul out in Monastir,  cleaned and checked the 2 year old copper coat job we did there and it is doing exactly as it should. Changed the C-drive seals and finally fitted the new rope cutter that I got from Alexandre. 
I do not have any Dyneema loops on any of my rigging. Can you send me a photo of where you use these?  Would be great if these can replace all my metal shackles. 

Best regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Sardinia

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 10:40:14 PM GMT+1, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:


Hi Wolfgang;

We just ordered about 7 of the loops from Amel.

Great quality dyneema with cover and perfect fit. I think it’s a good idea to help Amel when we can also. Happy with the purchase and quick shipment.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,
I would like to renew the dyneema loops of the rigg.Before order at Amel, I would ask for any recommendations.
Our Amel is from 2011 , 20.000 sm.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 (Annapolis) back on boat 2nd of August


Re: Dyneema loop

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Paul.

Respectfully;


Mohammad

On Jul 25, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Paul Brown via Groups.Io <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad 

I hauled out at port de Peche last month and was happy with the labor and price but needed to directly supervise them and check their work regularly providing them good instructions, the two contractors on the east side of the yard are ok

Also I found that you need to establish the firm cost as extra works seem to attract a higher price if not negotiated up front

Not sure about the stainless work, the canvas work at the marina is good 

care should be taken confirming the quality of materials as we brought our own anti foul and canvas etc, also I would recommend not leaving the materials with them and supervise them with the materials as they prepare or mix them as there has been recent cases of them swapping materials and using inferior products

Regards Paul Brown 55#17


On 25 Jul 2019, at 9:55 am, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Thank you Gerhard for the detailed information. Where did you haul out and were you happy with the service of the yard and all the contractors?

Any issues with safety?

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

Mohammad

There are 2 boatyards with travel-lifts in Monastir.
The one in the marina has a smaller travel-lift with maximum 20 tons.
2 miles in the south of the marina in the Port de Peche (fishers harbour) is a greater lift which might be better for your boat size.
Address of the boat yard in the marina:
Chantier Navale Marina Cap Monastir
Owner: Mohamed Mrad
marineservicemir@...
Phone: 00 216 73 580 266‬ or 00 216 73 467 451‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬
Address of the boat yard Monastir Port de Peche:
Owner: Moncef
Phone: 00 216 22 653 457‬
Chef: Amet
Phone: 00 216 99 239 413‬
Sailmaker Monastir:
Hedi Chafroud
hedichafroud@...
Phone: 00 216 52 394 757‬ or 00 216 22 694 757‬
Specialist for Inox:
Anouar Hizem
anouar.hizem@...
Phone: 00 216 98 830 995‬ or 00 216 73 449 183‬
Chantier Naval SOHICOMET, Port de Peche
Inox workshop outside Port de Peche:
Walid Frih
Phone: 00 216 98 977 709‬
Diver Monastir:
Makram Bouzgarrou
Phone: 00216 20 255 674‬

If you need more addresses please ask:
Bernard Casanova
Boat name: "ENCORE" in the marina Monastir
casaber45@...
Phone: 00 216 22 509 172‬ or ‭00 216 24 201 363‬

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Dyneema loop

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thank you Gerhard. If you have contact information (names and telephone numbers) for the marina and other contractors, I would appreciate it if you could share these contacts

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

Mohammad

I've been nearly 6 years in Monastir. So I know a little the country.
Safety is very good. Marina Monastir is camera guarded. Nice and friendly marineros.
Since my Sharki is a lot smaller than your boat, so I always haul out at the shipyard in the marina.
They (at the shipyard as well as other shops) have done all work very good and very cheap (less than half the price as in Europe).
It might be difficult to get special spare parts. Things I didn't got in Tunisia have been shipped from www.svb.de (Germany) within max a week to Monastir however.

Living cost and marina fees are very low as well as Diesel fuel. Here in Greece now I pay 3-times more.

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Dyneema loop

Gerhard Mueller
 

Mohammad

I've been nearly 6 years in Monastir. So I know a little the country.
Safety is very good. Marina Monastir is camera guarded. Nice and friendly marineros.
Since my Sharki is a lot smaller than your boat, so I always haul out at the shipyard in the marina.
They (at the shipyard as well as other shops) have done all work very good and very cheap (less than half the price as in Europe).
It might be difficult to get special spare parts. Things I didn't got in Tunisia have been shipped from www.svb.de (Germany) within max a week to Monastir however.

Living cost and marina fees are very low as well as Diesel fuel. Here in Greece now I pay 3-times more.

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Dyneema loop

Paul Brown
 

Hi Mohammad 

I hauled out at port de Peche last month and was happy with the labor and price but needed to directly supervise them and check their work regularly providing them good instructions, the two contractors on the east side of the yard are ok

Also I found that you need to establish the firm cost as extra works seem to attract a higher price if not negotiated up front

Not sure about the stainless work, the canvas work at the marina is good 

care should be taken confirming the quality of materials as we brought our own anti foul and canvas etc, also I would recommend not leaving the materials with them and supervise them with the materials as they prepare or mix them as there has been recent cases of them swapping materials and using inferior products

Regards Paul Brown 55#17


On 25 Jul 2019, at 9:55 am, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Thank you Gerhard for the detailed information. Where did you haul out and were you happy with the service of the yard and all the contractors?

Any issues with safety?

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

Mohammad

There are 2 boatyards with travel-lifts in Monastir.
The one in the marina has a smaller travel-lift with maximum 20 tons.
2 miles in the south of the marina in the Port de Peche (fishers harbour) is a greater lift which might be better for your boat size.
Address of the boat yard in the marina:
Chantier Navale Marina Cap Monastir
Owner: Mohamed Mrad
marineservicemir@...
Phone: 00 216 73 580 266‬ or 00 216 73 467 451‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬
Address of the boat yard Monastir Port de Peche:
Owner: Moncef
Phone: 00 216 22 653 457‬
Chef: Amet
Phone: 00 216 99 239 413‬
Sailmaker Monastir:
Hedi Chafroud
hedichafroud@...
Phone: 00 216 52 394 757‬ or 00 216 22 694 757‬
Specialist for Inox:
Anouar Hizem
anouar.hizem@...
Phone: 00 216 98 830 995‬ or 00 216 73 449 183‬
Chantier Naval SOHICOMET, Port de Peche
Inox workshop outside Port de Peche:
Walid Frih
Phone: 00 216 98 977 709‬
Diver Monastir:
Makram Bouzgarrou
Phone: 00216 20 255 674‬

If you need more addresses please ask:
Bernard Casanova
Boat name: "ENCORE" in the marina Monastir
casaber45@...
Phone: 00 216 22 509 172‬ or ‭00 216 24 201 363‬

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Dyneema loop

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thank you Gerhard for the detailed information. Where did you haul out and were you happy with the service of the yard and all the contractors?

Any issues with safety?

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

Mohammad

There are 2 boatyards with travel-lifts in Monastir.
The one in the marina has a smaller travel-lift with maximum 20 tons.
2 miles in the south of the marina in the Port de Peche (fishers harbour) is a greater lift which might be better for your boat size.
Address of the boat yard in the marina:
Chantier Navale Marina Cap Monastir
Owner: Mohamed Mrad
marineservicemir@...
Phone: 00 216 73 580 266‬ or 00 216 73 467 451‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬
Address of the boat yard Monastir Port de Peche:
Owner: Moncef
Phone: 00 216 22 653 457‬
Chef: Amet
Phone: 00 216 99 239 413‬
Sailmaker Monastir:
Hedi Chafroud
hedichafroud@...
Phone: 00 216 52 394 757‬ or 00 216 22 694 757‬
Specialist for Inox:
Anouar Hizem
anouar.hizem@...
Phone: 00 216 98 830 995‬ or 00 216 73 449 183‬
Chantier Naval SOHICOMET, Port de Peche
Inox workshop outside Port de Peche:
Walid Frih
Phone: 00 216 98 977 709‬
Diver Monastir:
Makram Bouzgarrou
Phone: 00216 20 255 674‬

If you need more addresses please ask:
Bernard Casanova
Boat name: "ENCORE" in the marina Monastir
casaber45@...
Phone: 00 216 22 509 172‬ or ‭00 216 24 201 363‬

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Dyneema loop

Gerhard Mueller
 

Mohammad

There are 2 boatyards with travel-lifts in Monastir.
The one in the marina has a smaller travel-lift with maximum 20 tons.
2 miles in the south of the marina in the Port de Peche (fishers harbour) is a greater lift which might be better for your boat size.
Address of the boat yard in the marina:
Chantier Navale Marina Cap Monastir
Owner: Mohamed Mrad
marineservicemir@...
Phone: 00 216 73 580 266‬ or 00 216 73 467 451‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬
Address of the boat yard Monastir Port de Peche:
Owner: Moncef
Phone: 00 216 22 653 457‬
Chef: Amet
Phone: 00 216 99 239 413‬
Sailmaker Monastir:
Hedi Chafroud
hedichafroud@...
Phone: 00 216 52 394 757‬ or 00 216 22 694 757‬
Specialist for Inox:
Anouar Hizem
anouar.hizem@...
Phone: 00 216 98 830 995‬ or 00 216 73 449 183‬
Chantier Naval SOHICOMET, Port de Peche
Inox workshop outside Port de Peche:
Walid Frih
Phone: 00 216 98 977 709‬
Diver Monastir:
Makram Bouzgarrou
Phone: 00216 20 255 674‬

If you need more addresses please ask:
Bernard Casanova
Boat name: "ENCORE" in the marina Monastir
casaber45@...
Phone: 00 216 22 509 172‬ or ‭00 216 24 201 363‬

--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Dyneema loop

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi JP;

You have definitely covered a lot more ground than we have. 5 years have gone by since we met in Gocek. Sounds like you have gotten Eleuthera all fixed up and resolved all past issues.

Thanks for the info on Kokomo resort. We shall visit it someday. Aty says hi.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre via Groups.Io <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hello Mohammed & Ati,

We are in Fiji and 5 days ago, we anchored at a resort called Kokomo Resort.  6 star rated, they have their own Twin Otter on floats and a Bell 412 helicopter to fly in their guests.

Enjoy your cruising. :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain & Julie Rule, Eleuthera, SM 007 in Fiji

On 25 Jul 2019, at 18:37, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Barry;

Glad to hear your hail out went as planned. On Kokomo, all blocks are attached to booms and masts with soft shackles. Attached please find a picture of one of them that we later replaced. We have 2 different lengths and about 7 total (not sure of the exact count because we are currently in the Montenegrin Mountains and not on board to give you an exact count).

Can you send me a list of your contacts and good contractors in Monastir? We may haul out in Tunisia in about a couple of years.

<image1.jpeg>

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty 
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54#099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad,

Hope your sailing is going well, we are now in Sardinia. Stopping at Antibes (Dessalator), Hyeres (Amel parts) soon. Had a very successful haul out in Monastir,  cleaned and checked the 2 year old copper coat job we did there and it is doing exactly as it should. Changed the C-drive seals and finally fitted the new rope cutter that I got from Alexandre. 
I do not have any Dyneema loops on any of my rigging. Can you send me a photo of where you use these?  Would be great if these can replace all my metal shackles. 

Best regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Sardinia

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 10:40:14 PM GMT+1, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:


Hi Wolfgang;

We just ordered about 7 of the loops from Amel.

Great quality dyneema with cover and perfect fit. I think it’s a good idea to help Amel when we can also. Happy with the purchase and quick shipment.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,
I would like to renew the dyneema loops of the rigg.Before order at Amel, I would ask for any recommendations.
Our Amel is from 2011 , 20.000 sm.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 (Annapolis) back on boat 2nd of August


Re: Dyneema loop

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Mohammed & Ati,

We are in Fiji and 5 days ago, we anchored at a resort called Kokomo Resort.  6 star rated, they have their own Twin Otter on floats and a Bell 412 helicopter to fly in their guests.

Enjoy your cruising. :-)

Jean-Pierre Germain & Julie Rule, Eleuthera, SM 007 in Fiji

On 25 Jul 2019, at 18:37, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Barry;

Glad to hear your hail out went as planned. On Kokomo, all blocks are attached to booms and masts with soft shackles. Attached please find a picture of one of them that we later replaced. We have 2 different lengths and about 7 total (not sure of the exact count because we are currently in the Montenegrin Mountains and not on board to give you an exact count).

Can you send me a list of your contacts and good contractors in Monastir? We may haul out in Tunisia in about a couple of years.

<image1.jpeg>

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty 
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54#099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad,

Hope your sailing is going well, we are now in Sardinia. Stopping at Antibes (Dessalator), Hyeres (Amel parts) soon. Had a very successful haul out in Monastir,  cleaned and checked the 2 year old copper coat job we did there and it is doing exactly as it should. Changed the C-drive seals and finally fitted the new rope cutter that I got from Alexandre. 
I do not have any Dyneema loops on any of my rigging. Can you send me a photo of where you use these?  Would be great if these can replace all my metal shackles. 

Best regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Sardinia

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 10:40:14 PM GMT+1, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:


Hi Wolfgang;

We just ordered about 7 of the loops from Amel.

Great quality dyneema with cover and perfect fit. I think it’s a good idea to help Amel when we can also. Happy with the purchase and quick shipment.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,
I would like to renew the dyneema loops of the rigg.Before order at Amel, I would ask for any recommendations.
Our Amel is from 2011 , 20.000 sm.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 (Annapolis) back on boat 2nd of August


Re: Watermaker looses pressure

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Carina & Conny,

I have a Duo 100 as well and have had this exact issue from time to time.

I deal with it as follows:
- I let the pressure vary and if the system goes to overpressure (OP), it shuts down anyways.
- If the problem stated above occurs, I go to the filter clean valve and clean the filters because in OP, the automatic clean function does not occur.
- Use it a lot… it will stabilise after about 15 hours of production.

Mohammed’s suggestion is spot on; Martijn De Jong is top caliber (I think he is the creator/eengineer of the Duo 60 & 100)

GL and big hugs,

Jean-Pierre & Julie, Eleuthera SM007



On 25 Jul 2019, at 17:29, CARINA HAMMARLUND <syultimo@...> wrote:

Hi,
We have a Dessalator Duo 100 onboard and have just changed all three membranes. After this it worked fine for a couple of weeks but lately the pressure vary - anyone know why and how to deal with the problem?
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Dyneema loop

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Barry;

Glad to hear your hail out went as planned. On Kokomo, all blocks are attached to booms and masts with soft shackles. Attached please find a picture of one of them that we later replaced. We have 2 different lengths and about 7 total (not sure of the exact count because we are currently in the Montenegrin Mountains and not on board to give you an exact count).

Can you send me a list of your contacts and good contractors in Monastir? We may haul out in Tunisia in about a couple of years.

image1.jpeg

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty 
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54#099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad,

Hope your sailing is going well, we are now in Sardinia. Stopping at Antibes (Dessalator), Hyeres (Amel parts) soon. Had a very successful haul out in Monastir,  cleaned and checked the 2 year old copper coat job we did there and it is doing exactly as it should. Changed the C-drive seals and finally fitted the new rope cutter that I got from Alexandre. 
I do not have any Dyneema loops on any of my rigging. Can you send me a photo of where you use these?  Would be great if these can replace all my metal shackles. 

Best regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Sardinia

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 10:40:14 PM GMT+1, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:


Hi Wolfgang;

We just ordered about 7 of the loops from Amel.

Great quality dyneema with cover and perfect fit. I think it’s a good idea to help Amel when we can also. Happy with the purchase and quick shipment.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,
I would like to renew the dyneema loops of the rigg.Before order at Amel, I would ask for any recommendations.
Our Amel is from 2011 , 20.000 sm.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 (Annapolis) back on boat 2nd of August


Re: Watermaker looses pressure

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Carina;

We do not have a Duo so I can’t give you good advice. However, contact Martin at Dessalator at +33 607346511. I’m sure he will diagnose your issue fairly quickly.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:29 AM, CARINA HAMMARLUND via Groups.Io <syultimo@...> wrote:

Hi,
We have a Dessalator Duo 100 onboard and have just changed all three membranes. After this it worked fine for a couple of weeks but lately the pressure vary - anyone know why and how to deal with the problem?
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Storm tactics

eric freedman
 

Bruce,

My stern cleats are super reinforced and are not stock stern cleats.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of davidcbruce57@...
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 12:18 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Storm tactics

 

Hi All,  

 

Very interesting thread.  Eric, the Ocean Navigator article did not specify, but for some reason I assumed you used the stock stern cleats to affix the JSD during your hurricane encounter, if so how did that work?, if not did you install chainplates as attachment points.   Short of thru bolted chainplates, could one reinforce the existing cleats to allow for their use with the JSD.

 

Tangentially, I am curious, as a relative novice Amel owner how best to 'de pressurize' the sails when in a seaway and building winds in order to reef without stressing the furling motors.  Is releasing sheets generally sufficient or is it necessary to head to wind, which would seem to make a boat vulnerable or at least quite uncomfortable to beam seas.    

 

Thanks,  

 

Dave Bruce 

sv Liesse

SN006, Gaeta, Italy

 

 

On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:18 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,
Did you add the drogue attachment points that Jordan recommended ?
If not how are you going to attach it to your boat?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376


-----Original Message-----
From: 
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 8:56 PM
To: 
main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Storm tactics

Hi Danny,
I carry a Jordan Drogue for a huge sea and 60+kts.  Hope I never have to use it.  If on a lee shore, I guess would have to try tacking under engine and ATN GaleSail.  We’re going to deploy the drogue and gale sail this fall and make sure we know how to use them and what they’ll do.

Does anybody know of a really good storm tactics hands-on class?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,
I agree with you. Done the same myself, both the reduction in sail as a windy thunderstorm approaches and the heaving to, although not for 48 hours. However 8 to 12 ft seas is one thing, oceanic monsters is another altogether and would need evaluation as to tactic. The ability to furl and unfurl sail rapidly is one of the many beauties of the Amel
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 24 July 2019 at 14:59 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:


Hi Mike,

We got caught in a slow moving front last spring with 35-40kts with gusts over 45 from the N (where we wanted to go).  We didn’t want to run S with the storm and lose a lot of ground, and tacking into 8-12 ft seas didn’t seem like much fun (and probably wouldn’t have gotten us very far N).  We hove to for almost 48 hours with a small handkerchief of jib and about 1/2 of the mizzen, drifting directly downwind.  The slick we created to windward calmed any breakers (only one small breaker slapped the boat in all that time), the motion was benign, and we lost only 50 miles in two days.

In thunderstorms with high winds, I reduce sail as the storm approaches, and if there is room, I keep the wind on the aft quarter until it abates.  It often changes direction continuously as the storm passes, it can take an hour or more until the prevailing winds return.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

During our recent passage from Boston to the Chesapeake Bay we experienced two severe thunderstorms. In one winds reached 40 kn sustained with gusts to 55 kn for about 10 minutes at the severest. Fortunately the storms were relatively short duration and the seas were confused  not having had a chance to organize and build significantly. Our tactic was to motor into the wind with bare poles. At 40+ knots even at full throttle we could barely maintain rudder control as we made way at around 2+/- knots: The wind would push the bow 20 to 30° off course before recovery under autopilot. We did not try hand steering as the auto pilot was doing an OK job in general. It’s seems that in any greater amount of wind or with a more significantly organized sea this tactic would have put us broadside to the wind and waves and then who knows what?
Drouges and see anchors make a lot of sense for longer duration storms.  Thoughts on storm tactics for short duration events such as this? 
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Rock Hall, MD

















 


Watermaker looses pressure

CARINA HAMMARLUND
 

Hi,
We have a Dessalator Duo 100 onboard and have just changed all three membranes. After this it worked fine for a couple of weeks but lately the pressure vary - anyone know why and how to deal with the problem?
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Dyneema loop

Barry Connor
 

Hi Mohammad,

Hope your sailing is going well, we are now in Sardinia. Stopping at Antibes (Dessalator), Hyeres (Amel parts) soon. Had a very successful haul out in Monastir,  cleaned and checked the 2 year old copper coat job we did there and it is doing exactly as it should. Changed the C-drive seals and finally fitted the new rope cutter that I got from Alexandre. 
I do not have any Dyneema loops on any of my rigging. Can you send me a photo of where you use these?  Would be great if these can replace all my metal shackles. 

Best regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Sardinia

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 10:40:14 PM GMT+1, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:


Hi Wolfgang;

We just ordered about 7 of the loops from Amel.

Great quality dyneema with cover and perfect fit. I think it’s a good idea to help Amel when we can also. Happy with the purchase and quick shipment.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,
I would like to renew the dyneema loops of the rigg.Before order at Amel, I would ask for any recommendations.
Our Amel is from 2011 , 20.000 sm.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 (Annapolis) back on boat 2nd of August


Re: Storm tactics

david bruce
 

Hi All,  

Very interesting thread.  Eric, the Ocean Navigator article did not specify, but for some reason I assumed you used the stock stern cleats to affix the JSD during your hurricane encounter, if so how did that work?, if not did you install chainplates as attachment points.   Short of thru bolted chainplates, could one reinforce the existing cleats to allow for their use with the JSD.

Tangentially, I am curious, as a relative novice Amel owner how best to 'de pressurize' the sails when in a seaway and building winds in order to reef without stressing the furling motors.  Is releasing sheets generally sufficient or is it necessary to head to wind, which would seem to make a boat vulnerable or at least quite uncomfortable to beam seas.    

Thanks,  

Dave Bruce 
sv Liesse
SN006, Gaeta, Italy


On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:18 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,
Did you add the drogue attachment points that Jordan recommended ?
If not how are you going to attach it to your boat?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376


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Hi Danny,
I carry a Jordan Drogue for a huge sea and 60+kts.  Hope I never have to use it.  If on a lee shore, I guess would have to try tacking under engine and ATN GaleSail.  We’re going to deploy the drogue and gale sail this fall and make sure we know how to use them and what they’ll do.

Does anybody know of a really good storm tactics hands-on class?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,
I agree with you. Done the same myself, both the reduction in sail as a windy thunderstorm approaches and the heaving to, although not for 48 hours. However 8 to 12 ft seas is one thing, oceanic monsters is another altogether and would need evaluation as to tactic. The ability to furl and unfurl sail rapidly is one of the many beauties of the Amel
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 24 July 2019 at 14:59 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:


Hi Mike,

We got caught in a slow moving front last spring with 35-40kts with gusts over 45 from the N (where we wanted to go).  We didn’t want to run S with the storm and lose a lot of ground, and tacking into 8-12 ft seas didn’t seem like much fun (and probably wouldn’t have gotten us very far N).  We hove to for almost 48 hours with a small handkerchief of jib and about 1/2 of the mizzen, drifting directly downwind.  The slick we created to windward calmed any breakers (only one small breaker slapped the boat in all that time), the motion was benign, and we lost only 50 miles in two days.

In thunderstorms with high winds, I reduce sail as the storm approaches, and if there is room, I keep the wind on the aft quarter until it abates.  It often changes direction continuously as the storm passes, it can take an hour or more until the prevailing winds return.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

During our recent passage from Boston to the Chesapeake Bay we experienced two severe thunderstorms. In one winds reached 40 kn sustained with gusts to 55 kn for about 10 minutes at the severest. Fortunately the storms were relatively short duration and the seas were confused  not having had a chance to organize and build significantly. Our tactic was to motor into the wind with bare poles. At 40+ knots even at full throttle we could barely maintain rudder control as we made way at around 2+/- knots: The wind would push the bow 20 to 30° off course before recovery under autopilot. We did not try hand steering as the auto pilot was doing an OK job in general. It’s seems that in any greater amount of wind or with a more significantly organized sea this tactic would have put us broadside to the wind and waves and then who knows what?
Drouges and see anchors make a lot of sense for longer duration storms.  Thoughts on storm tactics for short duration events such as this? 
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Rock Hall, MD



















Re: Storm tactics

eric freedman
 

Hi Kent,
Did you add the drogue attachment points that Jordan recommended ?
If not how are you going to attach it to your boat?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 8:56 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Storm tactics

Hi Danny,
I carry a Jordan Drogue for a huge sea and 60+kts. Hope I never have to use it. If on a lee shore, I guess would have to try tacking under engine and ATN GaleSail. We’re going to deploy the drogue and gale sail this fall and make sure we know how to use them and what they’ll do.

Does anybody know of a really good storm tactics hands-on class?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,
I agree with you. Done the same myself, both the reduction in sail as a windy thunderstorm approaches and the heaving to, although not for 48 hours. However 8 to 12 ft seas is one thing, oceanic monsters is another altogether and would need evaluation as to tactic. The ability to furl and unfurl sail rapidly is one of the many beauties of the Amel
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 24 July 2019 at 14:59 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Hi Mike,

We got caught in a slow moving front last spring with 35-40kts with gusts over 45 from the N (where we wanted to go). We didn’t want to run S with the storm and lose a lot of ground, and tacking into 8-12 ft seas didn’t seem like much fun (and probably wouldn’t have gotten us very far N). We hove to for almost 48 hours with a small handkerchief of jib and about 1/2 of the mizzen, drifting directly downwind. The slick we created to windward calmed any breakers (only one small breaker slapped the boat in all that time), the motion was benign, and we lost only 50 miles in two days.

In thunderstorms with high winds, I reduce sail as the storm approaches, and if there is room, I keep the wind on the aft quarter until it abates. It often changes direction continuously as the storm passes, it can take an hour or more until the prevailing winds return.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

During our recent passage from Boston to the Chesapeake Bay we experienced two severe thunderstorms. In one winds reached 40 kn sustained with gusts to 55 kn for about 10 minutes at the severest. Fortunately the storms were relatively short duration and the seas were confused not having had a chance to organize and build significantly. Our tactic was to motor into the wind with bare poles. At 40+ knots even at full throttle we could barely maintain rudder control as we made way at around 2+/- knots: The wind would push the bow 20 to 30° off course before recovery under autopilot. We did not try hand steering as the auto pilot was doing an OK job in general. It’s seems that in any greater amount of wind or with a more significantly organized sea this tactic would have put us broadside to the wind and waves and then who knows what?
Drouges and see anchors make a lot of sense for longer duration storms. Thoughts on storm tactics for short duration events such as this?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Rock Hall, MD









Re: Storm tactics

karkauai
 

Hi Danny,
I carry a Jordan Drogue for a huge sea and 60+kts. Hope I never have to use it. If on a lee shore, I guess would have to try tacking under engine and ATN GaleSail. We’re going to deploy the drogue and gale sail this fall and make sure we know how to use them and what they’ll do.

Does anybody know of a really good storm tactics hands-on class?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,
I agree with you. Done the same myself, both the reduction in sail as a windy thunderstorm approaches and the heaving to, although not for 48 hours. However 8 to 12 ft seas is one thing, oceanic monsters is another altogether and would need evaluation as to tactic. The ability to furl and unfurl sail rapidly is one of the many beauties of the Amel
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
On 24 July 2019 at 14:59 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Hi Mike,

We got caught in a slow moving front last spring with 35-40kts with gusts over 45 from the N (where we wanted to go). We didn’t want to run S with the storm and lose a lot of ground, and tacking into 8-12 ft seas didn’t seem like much fun (and probably wouldn’t have gotten us very far N). We hove to for almost 48 hours with a small handkerchief of jib and about 1/2 of the mizzen, drifting directly downwind. The slick we created to windward calmed any breakers (only one small breaker slapped the boat in all that time), the motion was benign, and we lost only 50 miles in two days.

In thunderstorms with high winds, I reduce sail as the storm approaches, and if there is room, I keep the wind on the aft quarter until it abates. It often changes direction continuously as the storm passes, it can take an hour or more until the prevailing winds return.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

During our recent passage from Boston to the Chesapeake Bay we experienced two severe thunderstorms. In one winds reached 40 kn sustained with gusts to 55 kn for about 10 minutes at the severest. Fortunately the storms were relatively short duration and the seas were confused not having had a chance to organize and build significantly. Our tactic was to motor into the wind with bare poles. At 40+ knots even at full throttle we could barely maintain rudder control as we made way at around 2+/- knots: The wind would push the bow 20 to 30° off course before recovery under autopilot. We did not try hand steering as the auto pilot was doing an OK job in general. It’s seems that in any greater amount of wind or with a more significantly organized sea this tactic would have put us broadside to the wind and waves and then who knows what?
Drouges and see anchors make a lot of sense for longer duration storms. Thoughts on storm tactics for short duration events such as this?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Rock Hall, MD









FW: Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

Mark Erdos
 

I received this today from our insurance company:

 

WARNING NOTICE

We have been advised of a very unfortunate incident.  This being an acutely distressing armed robbery in Panama, in the Bay Bahia Nombre de Dios. 

We write to warn you NOT to visit this area, except in an emergency, until such time as the perpetrators have been apprehended. 

If you visit these areas it is essential that you please let us know.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: Mark Erdos [mailto:mcerdos@...]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 5:51 PM
To: 'AmelYachtOwners@groups.io'
Subject: Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

 

Heads up to owners in the Panama area on the Caribbean side. There has been a serious rash of armed robberies between Shelter Bay Marina and the San Blas Islands. Linton Bay is especially volatile at this time. Several boats anchored in various bays were boarded by armed thieves. Details of the robberies can be found on CSSN https://safetyandsecuritynet.org/. At this point no arrest have been made and the robberies are expected to continue.

 

Please be extra vigilant if your plans include sailing in these waters anytime soon.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Dyneema loop

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Wolfgang;

We just ordered about 7 of the loops from Amel.

Great quality dyneema with cover and perfect fit. I think it’s a good idea to help Amel when we can also. Happy with the purchase and quick shipment.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Hello to the group,
I would like to renew the dyneema loops of the rigg.Before order at Amel, I would ask for any recommendations.
Our Amel is from 2011 , 20.000 sm.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 (Annapolis) back on boat 2nd of August