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Bowthruster Water Ingress

ngtnewington Newington
 

Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.

Nick
Amelia (AML54-019)


Re: Dessalator cuts out when flushing

James Cromie
 

Thanks for the information Gary! 
Fair Winds,
James

On May 7, 2019, at 10:16 PM, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:

Hi James, You are correct, depending on the source you look at 1 micro-siemen/cm = to about 0.65 TDS for seawater.  I have corrected my original message. 

This is the EC meter I bought ( example   https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-ENGINEERING-CDCN-201-CDCN201-RQANS2-/232703669959 )  it is powered by 230 VAC, has adjustable alarm limits (I verified the calibration on mine using some standardized calibrated water), and it has relay output for the alarm and/or bypass valve.  I included some LEDs to show power, and alarm condition but that was just fluff.  I powered it from the Dessalinator CB  so that any time that CB is on the salinity sensor is on.  The relay output switches 24 VDC to the sonalert that has an inline switch that I label "arm / mute" so I can mute the sonalert while the startup cycle does it's thing (i.e. high EC). The bypass switch is labeled "save / discard".  I will draw up a schematic of the system and post it in the files section under Amel SM - Dessalator.  The sensor is plumbed into the product water line as it exits the membranes (next to the original sham sensor).  I think I already posted a picture of that.  My timer for the auto flush circuit is a 24 volt fish feeder 7 day programable timer hooked to a relay.  The wire from the 24 VDC panel for the pressurized water pump passes thru this relay on the Normally Open contacts.  When the timer is in the "ON" mode the relay closes and supplies 24 VDC to the fresh water pump.  When I leave the boat I place the flush valve in the the "flush" position and set the Timer to "Auto" mode so that when the timer commands, the relay closes, energizing the fresh water pump for the period programmed into the timer.  Once the flush is complete the power to the fresh water pump is interrupted by the relay contacts opening.  So the pressurized water system is not always pressurized lest a leak flood the boat.  It is only pressurized during relay closure.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335 


Re: Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

Gary Silver
 

Hi Thomas:

Thanks for your excellent write up and pictures of your project. I am collecting the supplies to do my bow locker floors and hawse pipe replacement.  I noted that you wrote that you used a 4 inch PVC pipe for your hawse pipe.   I measure the OD (outside diameter) of the existing hawse pipe on my boat as 76.45 mm or 3 inches.  Can you comment on your findings and if you used an oversized pipe?  Someone on this forum suggested using FRP tubing from McMaster Carr but the largest size I can find there is an OD of 3 inches with and ID of 2.5 inches.  I am uncertain if and ID of 2.5 inches is large enough.  Do you have any thoughts on that?

Thanks for any input or suggestions you might provide. 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Del Rey Marina, Fajardo Puerto Rico


Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

 

See if you can manually turn the pump. If you don't see a way to turn the motor shaft, open the round impeller cover and turn a few turns. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, May 16, 2019, 10:56 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad  and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099



Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi I have 54# 101 and just replaced my pump.  It was inconsistently running and not turning off then working properly for a while then screwing up again.  Bill recommend a replacement easy peasy and now no worries (the best) pump a little expensive but......
I figured after 10 years about time Cheers!!


-----Original Message-----
From: Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2019 11:56 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Reya fresh water pump won’t start

We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad  and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099



Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Wolfgang Weber
 

Try to turn the ventilator of the motor with a screwdriver 
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 





Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Mohammad,
The brushes may be wearing or something a bit seized. I found that giving it a firm knock as soon as you switch it on gets it going. In my case it was brushes.

Paul Dowd
Ya Fohi- Amel54 #98

On 16 May 2019, at 17:56, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099

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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Mark Erdos
 

Mohammad and Aty,

My first guess would be the impeller has seized.


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Panama
www.creampuff.us

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 11:56 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Reya fresh water pump won’t start

We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099


Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Mohammad Shirloo
 

We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099


Re: Seawater Flush

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Arno and Dimitris,
Thanks, I have it working now with the pump and noticed the overflow problem immediately. I was lucky and didn’t get any smells at all when I changed over, maybe because the toilet has never been used with saltwater.

The previous owner made no modifications in this area.  Needless to say, I’ll be sticking with the freshwater flushing mode of operation! 

Thanks all.

Cheers
Dean
A54-154


Re: Seawater Flush

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Dean;

It is my understanding that this is a backup emergency system only and not an option to fresh water.

You really don’t want to use saltwater, unless fresh water is not available for some reason, since the salt water will lead to the usual smell related to salt water flush systems.

I think it’s a simple use of an existing pump for a case that may never arise.



Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099

On May 16, 2019, at 6:57 AM, Dimitris Krasopoulos via Groups.Io <dkrasopoulos@...> wrote:

Dean,

I had the same problem and I installed in the saltwater line a cane so I can close the saltwater flow safely and clean the electrovalve which does close tight due to salt remains.

It is bad designed by Amel but ..,

Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos 

On May 16, 2019, at 00:49, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad,
You are absolutely correct. When I open the valve and turn on the anchor wash pump then water flows freely into the toilet. The line retains water when I turn the anchor wash off, and the toilet can be used, although I suspect it will lose prime over a short period. 

However as soon as the anchor wash is turned on again the toilet starts to fill immediately. This seems like a poor situation really.

I guess the saltwater flush mode really needs to be treated as a degraded mode of operation rather than an alternative mode of operation you could choose when on an ocean crossing for example. 

Anyway, I now understand the operation. Thanks Mohammad.
Cheers
Dean


Re: Seawater Flush

Dimitris Krasopoulos
 

Dean,

I had the same problem and I installed in the saltwater line a cane so I can close the saltwater flow safely and clean the electrovalve which does close tight due to salt remains.

It is bad designed by Amel but ..,

Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos 

On May 16, 2019, at 00:49, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi Mohammad,
You are absolutely correct. When I open the valve and turn on the anchor wash pump then water flows freely into the toilet. The line retains water when I turn the anchor wash off, and the toilet can be used, although I suspect it will lose prime over a short period. 

However as soon as the anchor wash is turned on again the toilet starts to fill immediately. This seems like a poor situation really.

I guess the saltwater flush mode really needs to be treated as a degraded mode of operation rather than an alternative mode of operation you could choose when on an ocean crossing for example. 

Anyway, I now understand the operation. Thanks Mohammad.
Cheers
Dean


Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Arno

I’m very interested in your project with a changed cockpit table. I have the Lagun as well, it’s ok for 2 but not if you have guests on board. I had some thought how to change the original but no real idea yet. It is not urgent so it will may takes years ;-)
Let us know when you have done your changes or when you get a brilliant idea.

Cheers
Ruedi
A54 #55
South Peloponnese

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 15.05.2019 um 16:09 schrieb Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...>:

Hi Bil,

If you are referring to the hole that sits at the very base of the mast, that hole is the drain hole for water that gets into the mast. I wonder if it is able to take the loads of a kicker. I also noticed the later 54’s do not have the same “hole-arrangement” at the underside of the boom as the early ones.

I do love your remark about the table behind the steering chair. I wondered the same thing. That thing must be the number 1 design flaw for the Amel 54. I actually removed it. That makes the cockpit much roomier as well. We now use a small foldable table if we need to support our drinks…

I was thinking about this thing to put against the back wall of the cockpit:


But maybe I will just change the way the original table is designed and make it a bit lighter as well.

Cheers,

Arno


Re: Seawater Flush

Dimitris Krasopoulos
 

Dean,

I do not know your boat exactly but I have installed a cane from the saltwater supply to electro and that is behind the toilet in order to be able to remove the electrovalve for cleaning and extra security. Perhaps the previous owner has done the same. I also think that in the motor compartment you have to press the salt water pump on on the grey panel

Let us know

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 00:07 SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:
Hi all,
i decided to test the operation of our optional seawater flush on the forward head. I’ve never used it before and In the absence of any instructions in the user manuals, I opened the seawater valve and tried to flush. There is no seawater being pulled through at all. 

Can anyone advise if there is an additional step I need to do to make the seawater flush work.
I know it worked when we bought the boat because it was checked off by Olivier on survey, so I’m sure I must be missing something.
Thanks guys
Dean 
SY Stella
A54-154

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Best Regards

Dimitris Krasopoulos
Dubai Mob: +971 564602575
Greek Mob:+306944302318


Re: Seawater Flush

Arno Luijten
 

Hi, you also need to switch on the anchor flushing pump from the helm.
Take care that the toilet does not overflow. Also be prepared for some horrible smell in the beginning.

Cheers,

Arno


Re: Seawater Flush

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Mohammad,
You are absolutely correct. When I open the valve and turn on the anchor wash pump then water flows freely into the toilet. The line retains water when I turn the anchor wash off, and the toilet can be used, although I suspect it will lose prime over a short period. 

However as soon as the anchor wash is turned on again the toilet starts to fill immediately. This seems like a poor situation really.

I guess the saltwater flush mode really needs to be treated as a degraded mode of operation rather than an alternative mode of operation you could choose when on an ocean crossing for example. 

Anyway, I now understand the operation. Thanks Mohammad.
Cheers
Dean


Re: Seawater Flush

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Dean;

If I’m not mistaken, the anchor wash has to be on to supply the salt water to the forward head.

We’ve never tried it, but that’s what I recall from 5 years ago when we purchase Kokomo.

I’m sure others will correct this if I’m mistaken.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099

On May 15, 2019, at 4:07 PM, SY STELLA via Groups.Io <stella@...> wrote:

Hi all,
i decided to test the operation of our optional seawater flush on the forward head. I’ve never used it before and In the absence of any instructions in the user manuals, I opened the seawater valve and tried to flush. There is no seawater being pulled through at all. 

Can anyone advise if there is an additional step I need to do to make the seawater flush work.
I know it worked when we bought the boat because it was checked off by Olivier on survey, so I’m sure I must be missing something.
Thanks guys
Dean 
SY Stella
A54-154


Seawater Flush

Dean Gillies
 

Hi all,
i decided to test the operation of our optional seawater flush on the forward head. I’ve never used it before and In the absence of any instructions in the user manuals, I opened the seawater valve and tried to flush. There is no seawater being pulled through at all. 

Can anyone advise if there is an additional step I need to do to make the seawater flush work.
I know it worked when we bought the boat because it was checked off by Olivier on survey, so I’m sure I must be missing something.
Thanks guys
Dean 
SY Stella
A54-154


Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Ours came with no kicker but the boom does have an attachment point.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 15 May 2019 11:10
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

 

Well, like so many things on the 54, it is difficult to compare one 54 to another because so many things changed during the production run. 

 

Just when I think I know this boat, something else pops up that shatters that assumption. The first time this rope kicker thing came up, I was certain I had seen it and it existed on 54s. Then I was on at least eight 54s that were missing the rope kicker. My first thought was that "old age memory loss" was showing its ugly face...well maybe it is. I assume that the 54s with the rope kicker have a slightly different boom, because those booms without the rope kicker have no attachment point on the boom. I still say those missing the kicker were also probably missing the unwavering attention to detail from Henri Amel and his ability to understand the unforgiving sea and his customers.

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970

 

 

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 8:01 AM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Amelia we have the rope kicker. I use it as a preventer to the forward lifting chainplate when sailing off the wind. Or as a kicker to the mast base. Upwind it is not needed as the main sheet track is so far forward but as soon as the wind is aft then it is essential to keep the main powered up.

Amelia AML54-019

Nick


On 15 May 2019, at 09:14, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Food for thought.

On our Amel 54 "Lady Penelope II" # 17 we have the rope boom attachment and on Ruedi's Amel 54 "Wasabi #55 he does not have the rope boom attachment.

We are sailing together at this time and I do see that my rope is tight in strong winds, keeps the boom from rising. 

We are noticing and discussing the changes that took place between #17 and  #55

 

Best Regards

 

Barry

 

 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 9:40:51 AM GMT+3, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

 

 

Ian,

 

You are correct and the same boom rigging exists for the 54 sans the rope boom kicker.

 

I believe that Henri Amel placed a rope kicker on HIS boats because he knew that "sometimes, something goes wrong with even the most experienced crew."

 

It appears to me that it was likely planned for the 54, but someone at the last minute decided that it wasn't necessary on the 54. It was probably the same person who decided that the engine room hatch didn't really need to miss the cockpit table when opening the engine room hatch.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 9:49 PM Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:

I’m guessing here but the SN and SM have a rope that ‘serves’ as a kicker. But with the full width main sheet track on the foredeck and then the preventer when fully downwind I haven’t had cause to need a kicker. I can get all the flattening I need on the mainsail from this combination.
Obviously I have no experience of the 54.

Ian

Ocean Hobo



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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

Arno Luijten
 

Bill,

They had to change the mast when they changed from a horizontal to a vertical furling-motor setup. The needed to make the slot bigger to fit the motor. My mast also has the reinforcing shell around the lower part of the mast.
I was looking at the promo video for the A54 and captured this frame:


Here you can see the original horizontal motor and also the kick-strap in place. It may be because of the change of motor setup they dropped the kicker. I don't think the mizzen has ever had a kicker. Maybe the logic is that if you rig a preventer you can keep the boom down as well. I wonder....